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Wow!!!,

YOU are on the ball!!!!! I think you've done all the right things. Like you said, you just have to figure out how to MAKE them.

Then asking why you want them to put it in writing - that creeps me out a bit. I don't know where to find it, but it's definitely a law. Someone on this "group" will be able to help you there.

WATCHING CHARLIE SHEEN? I have literally pooped my pants on that one. Totally inappropriate, as you know. I'd just stick to my guns and demand that someone be held accountable for that one.

Social Skills Classes are so odd. (To me, anyway). Whenever we were told that our kids would get SSClasses, it sounded sooo good. Then, we find out it's for 1 period a week. Sigh.

Some places are more and probably better.......and others, I'm sure,,,,,are worse.

Is there any way you can get an advocate by Wed? Maybe through Social Services?

You speak so well and seem to really know your stuff,,,,,,,but an advocate, especially with a school district that asks why you need it in writing, may be able to be a bit "slippery".

Good luck Wed!!!!!!!

Keep us posted.

Robin

From: <teresalolvera@...>Subject: ( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class" Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 4:30 PM

My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a "Social Skills Class". She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the beginning of February.My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the students evaluate what they observed.My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has aspergers.I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the meeting but when I

spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a "Learning Strategies Class". There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday? What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in California.

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My son's social skills groups work strictly on the social interaction between

the students in the group. There are no films or homework. I recommend asking

the school to set up a true social skills group rather than including your

daughter in this class. Don't let the school tell you a group is not available

at that time. They can create one if it's needed.

My son was put in learning strategies class once. It ended up being a complete

waste of time because they concentrated on math issues and my son is a math

whiz. He just did suduko puzzles while the other kids worked on math.

Caroline

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> My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested

that she be in a " Social Skills Class " . She is an A-B student. Since her

father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the

classes began in the beginning of February.

>

> My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her

directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the

students evaluate what they observed.

>

> My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has

aspergers.

>

> I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of

applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward

the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.

>

> I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my

questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the

meeting but when I spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation

for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.

>

> One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class

time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a " Learning

Strategies Class " . There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that

she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social

behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that

there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.

>

> Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and

wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.

>

> What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday?

>

> What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in

California.

>

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I had this problem too. You can say at the IEP that she needs

a AS social skill group like the Michele Winner program

(she is a speech therapist and is getting well known in the

AS community, she is located in the SF area). You say she

needs to be taught theory of mind, and social pragmatics.

Her goals are to improve her ability to sustain conversation

with peers on a variety of interests and in a group setting too.

That the specifics of this are explained in Michele Winners

books. You want her to be able to identify the interests of

others in the group, be able to sustain conversation on

these topics and that members talk about her interests too.

There is so much you can teach at home. but you don't have the

peers there to practice the conversation skills.

You can ask that the teacher, teaching her social skills has

had an AS social skill training course like the Michele Winner

Program.

If they say take it or leave it: You can say that

she is very upset in the class and that the class needs

to be taylored to an AS student and that you regret that

at this time she won't be able to manage the class.

And that you hope they can taylor it to her needs.

You can ask until they is a social skill group for a

AS child, that you would like her to practice 1:1

with the school psychologist to discuss social skill

topics. My daughter did this.

I hope this is of some help.

Pam

was

diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a

" Social Skills Class " . She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted

her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the

beginning of February.

>

> My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her

directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the

students evaluate what they observed.

>

> My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has

aspergers.

>

> I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of

applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward

the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.

>

> I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my

questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the

meeting but when I spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation

for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.

>

> One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class

time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a " Learning

Strategies Class " . There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that

she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social

behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that

there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.

>

> Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and

wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.

>

> What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday?

>

> What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in

California.

>

>

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You can probably have her removed from the program just by asking to have her removed. For this to be in her IEP, they would have had to have specific social skill goals as well as determining how they were planning to evaluate her progress (or lack of.) You have every right to ask for the data taken so far on her progress towards her social skill goals and to find out what activities are being done. When the teacher is balking, it makes me really wonder what is going on!

Roxanna

“Our lives begin to end the day we

become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr.

( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class"

My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a "Social Skills Class". She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the beginning of February.

My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the students evaluate what they observed.

My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has aspergers.

I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.

I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the meeting but when I spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.

One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a "Learning Strategies Class". There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.

Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.

What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday?

What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in California.

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I suppose you might watch video's of Charlie Sheen losing his mind as a way of discussing what not to do when you become a famous hollywood star. lol. Otherwise, not sure why that would be taught in a social skill class.

Roxanna

“Our lives begin to end the day we

become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr.

( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class"

Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 4:30 PM

My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a "Social Skills Class". She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the beginning of February.

My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the students evaluate what they observed.

My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has aspergers.

I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.

I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the meeting but when I

spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.

One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a "Learning Strategies Class". There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.

Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.

What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday?

What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in California.

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I believe Roxanna stated this as well, but if you daughter has social skills goals on her IEP you have every right to ask for and get data showing how she is progressing towards her goals and what they are doing to help her meet those goals.

If they can't show any progress then you can ask for another IEP meeting to find a different way to help her meet her goals since this classroom is not helping. Also, on her IEP where it states "how will progress be measured", make sure it states "data collection." ne

From: <teresalolvera@...>Subject: ( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class" Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 5:30 PM

My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a "Social Skills Class". She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the beginning of February.My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the students evaluate what they observed.My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has aspergers.I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the meeting but when I

spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a "Learning Strategies Class". There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday? What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in California.

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What do I mean when I say "Data Collection". I sent an email asking them to bring to the IEP Meeting whatever type of workbook and/or resources they are using for the class and referred them to Winner's worksheet workbook. They said that it is a very loosely structured class and that it is not a therapeutic setting, it is a learning strategies class. What do you think is meant by that?

From: <teresalolvera@...>Subject: ( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class" Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 5:30 PM

My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a "Social Skills Class". She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the beginning of February.My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the students evaluate what they observed.My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has aspergers.I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the meeting but when I

spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a "Learning Strategies Class". There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday? What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in California.

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I just wanted to comment on the interviews they were asked to see. I've seen a

few myself.. he cuts people off while they're talking, uses foul language, is

rude, obnoxious and acts like he's drugged or hammered. Perhaps they were trying

to point out the negative behavior and discuss how he could be more

productive??? weird they'd have school kids watch those.

Tami

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> > My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested

that she be in a " Social Skills Class " . She is an A-B student. Since her

father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the

classes began in the beginning of February.

> >

> > My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to

her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the

students evaluate what they observed.

> >

> > My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has

aspergers.

> >

> > I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type

of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward

the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.

> >

> > I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my

questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the

meeting but when I spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation

for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.

> >

> > One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the

class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a

" Learning Strategies Class " . There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that

stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly

social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and

that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.

> >

> > Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated

and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.

> >

> > What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on

Wednesday?

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> > What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in

California.

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I believe what you want is to have it specified in the IEP how data is going to be collected and what kind of data is being taken. All goals should have this specified or else you would not be able to tell if she has met her goals or not.

A very loosely structured class - well, whatever that means. It sounds like they are saying this means it is a "do whatever we feel like doing" classes. But they need to have a written plan - a curriculum. You should be able to get that to know what exactly they are doing. And if you don't get that or they refuse or don't have one at all, I would really wonder about leaving her in a class with no outline of what is going on, how we monitor her progress or even what is being taught.

Roxanna

“Our lives begin to end the day we

become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr.

( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class"

Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 5:30 PM

My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a "Social Skills Class". She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the beginning of February.

My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the students evaluate what they observed.

My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has aspergers.

I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.

I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the meeting but when I

spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.

One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a "Learning Strategies Class". There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.

Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.

What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday?

What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in California.

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When you are referring to data collection, you want to know how they are tracking if your daughter is making progress. For instance...if one of her IEP goals is "Jane will initiate peer interactions appropriately". Then the IEP should indicate with what frequency they expect her to be able to do this, such as 8 out of 10 times or 80% of the time.

Then your daughter would need to be observed in how she interacts with peers and data should be collected on how often she does it appropriately and how often she doesn't. The school should be teaching her proper ways to socially interact, whether it be by role playing, social scripts etc or whatever you as a team descided would work best. Then over a period of time, this data is collected to determine if the interventions being used to help her achieve her goals are working or not. If she is not making any progress over a period of time then the strategies need to be changed. For instance, if she started out responding appropriately to peer interactions 5 out of 10 times and after a given time period (i.e. 4 weeks, 6 weeks) she is still only responding appropriately 5 out of 10 times then whatever strategy being used is not working for her and it needs to be changed.

This data can be collected by using tally sheets, checklists, observations etc. This is what you want them to show you. What method are they using to teach her social skills and how do they know if that method is helping improve her skills? Where is their data?

They can say it is a "loosly structured classroom", hoping that gets them off the hook. But they are still responsible for implementing her IEP and helping her meet her goals. If they are just putting her in a classroom and letting her do "whatever", then they are not implementing her IEP and that means they are breaking the law. Hope this helps...ne

From: <teresalolvera@...>Subject: ( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class" Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 5:30 PM

My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a "Social Skills Class". She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the beginning of February.My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the students evaluate what they observed.My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has aspergers.I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the meeting but when I

spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a "Learning Strategies Class". There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday? What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in California.

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I think teaching social skills is one of the hardest goals to meet. I think over a long period of time, it could be done. It is difficult in the fact that a lot of times our children are less mature and have limited interests or interests that are not in line with their peers.

For instance....take a 7th grade girl....who is really interested in grades, doing well, etc. She has no interest in boys or music idols or clothing, dances, shopping or hanging out with other girls. Most girls in 7th grade are interested in shopping, boys, dancing, music, etc. Yes, we can teach and role model. We can get our children to interact up to an extent....but will they ever really fit in with others. I am not sure. I know our children need social skills as it will help on a job....but I don't think our kids will ever be able to "really catch on". They will fit in more with kids of their own type but not really with NTs.

I am working with a student right now and I know how difficult it is. I work with this student all day...we have plenty of time for social skills training...but a lot of the time...she zones out. For instance, at lunch, I sit with the student and several others at a table. They all talk to me and we have conversations the entire time but I have to pull my student into the conversation all the time. Or in the halls....she just walks straight ahead ..not connecting with anyone. And, when walking I am constantly reminding my student to walk looking ahead not with the head down.

I just started with this student this year and I hope I get to continue working with this student thru graduation. I would love to see my student grow and mature. Right now we are dealing with a child who is at a younger maturity level then her peers and gets upset over small things that other students would not even think about.

Jan

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From: susanne hansen <s_hansen34@...> Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 9:18:25 PMSubject: Re: ( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class"

When you are referring to data collection, you want to know how they are tracking if your daughter is making progress. For instance...if one of her IEP goals is "Jane will initiate peer interactions appropriately". Then the IEP should indicate with what frequency they expect her to be able to do this, such as 8 out of 10 times or 80% of the time.

Then your daughter would need to be observed in how she interacts with peers and data should be collected on how often she does it appropriately and how often she doesn't. The school should be teaching her proper ways to socially interact, whether it be by role playing, social scripts etc or whatever you as a team descided would work best. Then over a period of time, this data is collected to determine if the interventions being used to help her achieve her goals are working or not. If she is not making any progress over a period of time then the strategies need to be changed. For instance, if she started out responding appropriately to peer interactions 5 out of 10 times and after a given time period (i.e. 4 weeks, 6 weeks) she is still only responding appropriately 5 out of 10 times then whatever strategy being used is not working for her and it needs to be changed.

This data can be collected by using tally sheets, checklists, observations etc. This is what you want them to show you. What method are they using to teach her social skills and how do they know if that method is helping improve her skills? Where is their data?

They can say it is a "loosly structured classroom", hoping that gets them off the hook. But they are still responsible for implementing her IEP and helping her meet her goals. If they are just putting her in a classroom and letting her do "whatever", then they are not implementing her IEP and that means they are breaking the law. Hope this helps...ne

From: <teresalolvera@...>Subject: ( ) 16 year old daughter in "Social Skills Class" Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 5:30 PM

My daughter was diagnosed by the school to have aspergers. They suggested that she be in a "Social Skills Class". She is an A-B student. Since her father and I wanted her to learn social skills, we approved the IEP and the classes began in the beginning of February.My daughter has told me that she is not learning anything as it applies to her directly. They watched a video of Charlie Sheen's interviews and had the students evaluate what they observed.My daughter does not do drugs. I do not believe that Charlie Sheen has aspergers.I sent an email to the teacher asking what they have learned and what type of applications, assignments, activities that they have worked on to work toward the IEP Goals and as of yet, I did not receive a clear response.I did schedule an IEP for this Wednesday and asked that they respond to my questions in an email so that my daughter's father and I can discuss before the meeting but when I

spoke with the specialist, there seemed to be some hesitation for her to put anything in writing and asked why I wanted it in writing.One of our biggest concerns is that the teacher stated that half of the class time of the social skills class is doing homework in class as it is a "Learning Strategies Class". There was not anything in my daughter's IEP that stated that she had a Learning or Academic issue in any way. It was strictly social behavior and we were told that she would be learning social skills and that there would be outside weekly assignments to work socially with others.Now, we find that is not happening for our daughter and she is frustrated and wants out of the class since it is not productive to her.What do you suggest or recommend for me to consider for our IEP on Wednesday? What are the steps to have her removed from the program? We are in California.

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