Re: tics?

[Guest guest]

My son used to have tics around his mouth & sucked in his cheeks & made clicking

noises with his mouth & when I asked him about it, he said he did it when he had

a bad thought. He suddenly stopped doing it & I don't know if he was under less

stress because his overbearing big brother moved out of the house or if it was

related to his medication. I know that when my son spends time with his

friends, his symptoms are less pronounced, but when he gets home, he seems to

let out everything he had been holding in. I think he is distracted when he is

with friends but when he gets home, his fears are still all there.

Kim Zarzour <k.zarzour@...> wrote:Hi again.

As I posted last night, my son came home from his band trip tired, happy, and

not ticcing. I was thrilled.

This evening, he's back at it - repeating sounds he's heard and blinking.

Does anyone know if tourrettes goes away when you're super tired (as he was

after the trip)? I'm never sure why he does the repetitions - whether it's an

AS-related stim or ocd or tic or what.

kimz

[Guest guest]

That's interesting Kim--and the opposite of what I've noticed with my child.

She is most likely to tic when anxious, or very over-tired. TSers are

supposed to not tic while sleeping. Is it possible he missed or doubled up

some inositol doses? Grasping at straws; whenever my child's symptoms

change abruptly I can hardly keep from trying to tease out what was

different that may have caused it.

I am so glad to hear he had a successful and fulfilling trip. There is no

therapy on the planet as effective against the OCD monster as going about

your normal life despite it. He deserves a big round of applause!

Kathy R. in Indiana

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From: " Kim Zarzour " <k.zarzour@...>

> Hi again.

> As I posted last night, my son came home from his band trip tired, happy,

> and not ticcing. I was thrilled.

> This evening, he's back at it - repeating sounds he's heard and blinking.

> Does anyone know if tourrettes goes away when you're super tired (as he

> was after the trip)? I'm never sure why he does the repetitions - whether

> it's an AS-related stim or ocd or tic or what.

> kimz

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In a message dated 12/13/2005 1:40:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, inglori@... writes:

Does anyone here have tics or TS?If so, can you help me and Leif settle a dispute? Leif thinks tics are a form of non-verbal communication. I think they are not.Inger

I don't think they would be communication. A tic is something you don't really have control over, so its hard to think it could be communicating anything. Perhaps if a tic became more pronounced under stress it could be an indicator of that but that's more of a meter than a communications device.

[Guest guest]

I think that by definition " tics " (as in TS or palsies) are

involuntary and communications (conscious or not) is a voluntary act...

There some unconscious behaviors that may be related to neurological

processes. Eye movements in one direction or the other has a link in

some people of truthfully relating an event vs. lying about it...

The same theories suggest not making eye contact is a sign of

deceit... Aspies as rule don't like eye contact but are generally

very honest... maybe it only works with NTs

Ender

At 12:04 PM 12/13/2005, you wrote:

>Does anyone here have tics or TS?

>If so, can you help me and Leif settle a dispute?

>

>Leif thinks tics are a form of non-verbal communication.

>I think they are not.

>

>Inger

[Guest guest]

I get tics in my jaw when I am stressed. For me, they are not

communication. They are a nervous reaction.

Tom

Does anyone here have tics or TS?

If so, can you help me and Leif settle a dispute?

Leif thinks tics are a form of non-verbal communication.

I think they are not.

Inger

[Guest guest]

I click my tounge when I'm around people. It's my way of saying " I

hate assholes like you " ...

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> In a message dated 12/13/2005 1:40:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> inglori@s... writes:

>

> Does anyone here have tics or TS?

> If so, can you help me and Leif settle a dispute?

>

> Leif thinks tics are a form of non-verbal communication.

> I think they are not.

>

> Inger

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>

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> I don't think they would be communication. A tic is something you

don't

> really have control over, so its hard to think it could be

communicating

> anything. Perhaps if a tic became more pronounced under stress it

could be an

> indicator of that but that's more of a meter than a communications

device.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure the difference between a stim and a tic, what is the

difference? I thought a stim was something you were aware you were

doing - and I have not always been aware of some of my stims. Is a

tic an unconcious thing - that you are not aware of? and if so how do

you know you are doing it?

I don't think my stims are a form of communication - but I have read

something that said they were and it was writen by a person on the

spectrum - maybe for them it was a form of communication.

>

> Does anyone here have tics or TS?

> If so, can you help me and Leif settle a dispute?

>

> Leif thinks tics are a form of non-verbal communication.

> I think they are not.

>

> Inger

>

[Guest guest]

A stim is deliberate and voluntary. A tic is involuntary, as in the

case of a nervous reaction.

Tom

>

> Does anyone here have tics or TS?

> If so, can you help me and Leif settle a dispute?

>

> Leif thinks tics are a form of non-verbal communication.

> I think they are not.

>

> Inger

>

[Guest guest]

I am not always aware that I am stimming - but can generally stop if

I become aware of it (although it is a great stress relief) - so with

a tic - is that something that one cannot stop doing, even if one is

aware of it?

>

> I am not sure the difference between a stim and a tic, what is the

> difference? I thought a stim was something you were aware you were

> doing - and I have not always been aware of some of my stims. Is a

> tic an unconcious thing - that you are not aware of? and if so how

do

> you know you are doing it?

>

> I don't think my stims are a form of communication - but I have read

> something that said they were and it was writen by a person on the

> spectrum - maybe for them it was a form of communication.

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>

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[Guest guest]

A tic is an involuntary response, like a heartbeat. On the rare

occassions when mine appears (times of extreme stress), there is very

little I can do to control it except to try and calm down.

Tom

I am not always aware that I am stimming - but can generally stop if

I become aware of it (although it is a great stress relief) - so with

a tic - is that something that one cannot stop doing, even if one is

aware of it?

[Guest guest]

Leif

I will qualify my statement by saying my definition of " tic " and " stim "

best describe the behaviors in myself.

Tom

Tom:

>A stim is deliberate and voluntary. A tic is involuntary, as in the

> case of a nervous reaction.

I don't agree with that. Tics can be controlled to some extent,

and thus could just as well be called deliberate as a stim. Besides,

I've seen the same type of behaviors characterized as both stims

and tics.

Leif

[Guest guest]

" ojmalm "

> I click my tounge when I'm around people. It's my way of saying " I hate

> assholes like you " ...

Is this a real tic (involuntary reaction) or something you do by will?

Inger

[Guest guest]

My 9 year old aspie has had tic that started in kindergarten. He blinks his

eyes very quickly and can't stop. He doesn't do it all the time. It comes and

goes. We have tried to identify the reasons, i.e. stress, bullying at school,

and we have had no luck. It is just really random. He says he can't stop and

it's hard to have a conversation and look at him when he's doing it. He blinks

so rapidly and uncontrolled. In the last 2 months or so he has started a new

tic. He does this weird thing with his nose, squeezes it and blows air out. He

has OCD along with the AS, so I'm not sure which the tics are associated with.

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> Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it

was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a

vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his

mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little,

but it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in

the same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just

autistic mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like

roll his head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is

talking particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and

more under stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice,

and do we need to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

>

[Guest guest]

Is he taking any ADHD meds right now? Sometimes they can cause tics. When my son was on them, I noticed more of these. He's been off of all meds since September and they've decreased so much. Check with his prescribing doctor if you're worried.

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: jm.smoldt <jm.smoldt@...> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:11:55 AMSubject: ( ) tics?

Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

[Guest guest]

Have you considered PANDAS? My dd tic' for 7+ years, and was mis-dx'd with Tourette's.

Olive leaf extract worked wonders for us and she hasn't tic'd once since we started using it.

Darla

( ) tics?

Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

[Guest guest]

Nope, no meds at all. He has never been on prescription meds and really has

never had any ADHD like symptoms. I was thinking maybe stress but nothing has

really changed that I can think of.

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> Is he taking any ADHD meds right now? Sometimes they can cause tics.  When

my son was on them, I noticed more of these.  He's been off of all meds since

September and they've decreased so much.  Check with his prescribing doctor if

you're worried.

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> " Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one

out. "

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> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:11:55 AM

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> Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it

was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a

vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his

mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but

it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the

same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic

mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his

head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking

particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under

stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need

to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

>

[Guest guest]

My son has periods of time where he'll say or do something when he's excited or nervous and whatever it is (sounds or movements or both) will morph over time. We call them "habits" in our house and some are benign, some are problematic. We just yet to increase the benign ones and decrease the problematic ones! It's Much better since he's been off the ADHD meds, but he still has them to some degree. For me, it's like his way of dealing with his environment, both good and bad. Funny how it can all be expressed in a similar way.Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "jm.smoldt" <jm.smoldt@...>Sender: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:28:24 -0000< >Reply Subject: Re: ( ) tics? Nope, no meds at all. He has never been on prescription meds and really has never had any ADHD like symptoms. I was thinking maybe stress but nothing has really changed that I can think of.>> Is he taking any ADHD meds right now? Sometimes they can cause tics.  When my son was on them, I noticed more of these.  He's been off of all meds since September and they've decreased so much.  Check with his prescribing doctor if you're worried.>   > > > " Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out. " > > > > >________________________________> From: jm.smoldt <jm.smoldt@...>> > Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 12:11:55 AM> Subject: ( ) tics?> >   > Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?>

[Guest guest]

My guy is not on any meds and never has been on any meds. I have heard ADHD

meds increase the probability of tics.

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> > Is he taking any ADHD meds right now? Sometimes they can cause tics.  When

my son was on them, I noticed more of these.  He's been off of all meds since

September and they've decreased so much.  Check with his prescribing doctor if

you're worried.

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> > Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it

was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a

vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his

mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but

it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the

same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic

mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his

head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking

particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under

stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need

to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

> >

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[Guest guest]

Our son has small tics...........they ebb and flow.

He clears his throat at times. Actually does little coughs.........sometimes we don't hear them for weeks. Then,,,,,,,they "come again".

He also shrugs his shoulders ........rolls them, I guess.

This is Tourettes. Tics can be motor or vocal. Major, obvious sounds or movements or small, almost questionable ones.

He doesn't take anything for it, and actually, stimulant meds that are used for ADHD can make it worse, sometimes...........found this out while reading the pamphlet that came with his melds one time. Asked the doc and then he confirmed it............but he never TOLD us. Thanks. He he.

I'd definitely talk to his doc about it......if only to confirm or deny and learn about it.

Good Luck.

Attack and enjoy every minute of life.

Try everything.....protect everything.

Robin

From: jm.smoldt <jm.smoldt@...>Subject: ( ) tics? Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 12:11 AM

Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I had been looking into tourettes but the idea of ANOTHER diagnosis

kinda has me freaked out. I was hoping this just lumped in with the asperger's

but maybe I should set up a doctor's appointment. It seems very benign and took

me a while to recognize that it might be a tic. The vocal one is the only one I

can be semi-sure of. He has a few other odd movements of his head, but never

thought they were tics until he developed the vocal one, so I'm not sure

especially when he is so odd in the way he acts all the time. I can't figure

out if he is doing this stuff on purpose or not.

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> From: jm.smoldt <jm.smoldt@...>

> Subject: ( ) tics?

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> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 12:11 AM

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> Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it

was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a

vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his

mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but

it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the

same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic

mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his

head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking

particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under

stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need

to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

>

[Guest guest]

I could be absolutely wrong, but when my son wasn't taking the ADHD meds and the tics weren't so intense, it looked more like perseveration related to AS and not a true tic disorder or Tourette's. It felt more like repetitive behavior that was familiar so it was comforting. I read up on Tourette's, and it just wasn't accurately describing what was happening. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "jm.smoldt" <jm.smoldt@...>Sender: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:10:34 -0000< >Reply Subject: Re: ( ) tics? Thanks, I had been looking into tourettes but the idea of ANOTHER diagnosis kinda has me freaked out. I was hoping this just lumped in with the asperger's but maybe I should set up a doctor's appointment. It seems very benign and took me a while to recognize that it might be a tic. The vocal one is the only one I can be semi-sure of. He has a few other odd movements of his head, but never thought they were tics until he developed the vocal one, so I'm not sure especially when he is so odd in the way he acts all the time. I can't figure out if he is doing this stuff on purpose or not.> > > From: jm.smoldt <jm.smoldt@...>> Subject: ( ) tics?> > Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 12:11 AM> > >   > > > > Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?>

[Guest guest]

My son had some tics, too, at that age. His doctor suspected Tourette's and told

my son that the tics would almost disappear by the time he was 10. The doctor

was right. My son was greatly relieved to know that the doctor really believed

him when my son said that he couldn't control the tics and my son was also happy

to hear that the tics would mostly be gone as he got older. He still has some

little mannerisms when he's stressed, but nothing like when he was in

Kindergarten.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, i'm kinda leaning toward it just being related to his AS. My question

tho is should we head to the doctor to get it checked out or just keep an eye on

him and take note of the behavior for future reference. I hate to run to the

doctor every time a new peculiar symptom surfaces.

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> > Subject: ( ) tics?

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> > Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 12:11 AM

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> > Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it

was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a

vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his

mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little, but

it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in the

same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just autistic

mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like roll his

head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is talking

particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and more under

stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice, and do we need

to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

> >

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[Guest guest]

I actually just posted this in another group about a week ago regarding my 11

year old aspie. Someone suggested the need for deep pressure, like a bear hug,

someone else said it might be gluten withdrawl ( just removed gluten from

diet)..I don't have advice for you, but you aren't alone.

Do your kids have tics? (repetitive movement or sounds)

Do you understand them? Are they stimming? Self Soothing? or OCD?

I feel like my son has developed some new ones..or maybe they are more

pronounced lately.. I might post this on more than one board for feedback b/c

one in particular is worrisome.

He kisses things. Anything he likes. Maybe he is smelling it? He definitely

kisses it too. He does it w/ stuffed animals in a ritualistic manner no one can

get more kisses than others). He has sounds he seems to make over and over as

well.He's been bouncing on one of those exercise balls for periods of time. He

is touching his face less..he was doing some ritualistic face touching..

The one that concerns me is this. this a whole body or sometimes just head jerk.

It began with elbows. If they were on a table, he'd pick them up and put them

back down...sort of knocking w/ his elbows. Then it was his head. We'd be laying

in bed..or driving and I'd notice him thrusting his head back..sort of hitting

it against whatever was behind him. Now it's upper body and head. He sort of

lifts up and then jerks back against the bed or backseat or whatever is behind.

He says it makes him feel good. It looks jarring to me.

Anyone experience this?

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> Does anyone else's kids have tics associated with Asperger's. I read that it

was a possibility and we are kinda new to this. My son seems to be developing a

vocal tic. Maybe I dunno. He has been kinda making a smacking sound with his

mouth whenever he pauses while he is talking. At first it was just a little,

but it seems to be increasing over the last week. Like now multiple times in

the same sentence. I don't know if it would be considered a tic or just

autistic mannerisms? He also does some other things that I wonder about like

roll his head around slightly. Nothing real obvious and mostly when he is

talking particularly when we ask him something or he is trying to explain and

more under stress for him. Conversations tend to stress him out. Any advice,

and do we need to see the psychologist about this or just keep an eye on it?

>

[Guest guest]

My son has had throat tics for years and then developed a much more

serious head tic that was intense. We found that supplementing with

powdered magnesium Gilliam was the brand we used worked like

magic in calming down the head tics. After 6 months of daily

supplementation they actually went away. When we would stop it form

time to time they would return. If you get too much mag they will have

loose stools so dose back it that happens. Good luck

Cheryl