Guest guest Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why can't they put in Child will meet daily with guidance counselor or case manager to review his day...and that the guidance counselor and/or c.m. can address his issues. Or why not have him meet with the school psychologist each week to talk ... School need to develop a social skills class and self-esteem building workshops that really really work. Teachers should be talking to your child each day.... Jan "In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein From: <doyourecycle@...> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:58:21 PMSubject: ( ) Need help with goal writing My son has very negative perceptions of events that happen in his day to day life. He comes home and re-tells a lot of interactions that have a negative slant. Many days, he's not talkative and he doesn't share much. I'm not sure if the events are as bad as he claims or if he colors them that way. At home and at school are different, so hard to compare them. (home life is more fun for him) At school, he can have some good events happen in his day, but for the most part he'll fixate and only elaborate on the bad ones--however big or small. BUT, he does have the ability to talk about fun stuff, too. (Overall, my son would tell you he doesnt' like school. Doesnt' like homework, just wants to stay home and play on the computer.)How can a goal be written to address my son's negative inference/perception of events? The school wants to use this goal: Child will discuss perceptions of peer interaction with adult help.It's soooo lame and allows the school to not really address the problem. Is there a way to address my son's negative take on situations in his day at school in a goal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Sounds like my daughter! I have a behavior plan at home where she has to earn points. She can earn points for rehearsing things she likes about herself, her school and growing up. This is a kind of cognitive behavioral approach. We work with a behaviorist that coaches me weekly. For sure my daughter is very sensitive and when she comes home she is tired and things seem gloomier. It is like generalized anxiety disorder. Or perhaps is. My daughter is on a low dose of zoloft (75mg) it has helped a lot I don't want to increase it anymore because now she can talk about these things without a meltdown. I certainly am not pushing medication but I saw my daughter's mood lift almost immediately from being so irritable. In our behavior plan she has to earn purchases and priveleges. So on our weekend camping she kept asking for things from the gift store. Which I agreed to if she practiced thinking of things she liked about herself etc. She said there is nothing good about me (she always says that) or there is nothing good about school. I don't torture her I help her think of lots of things (which she seems relieved by). The school has her in 3 type of social skill groups, 1:1, a small girls group and a mixed group. This are helpful but don't improve the self esteem issues. She has been to weekly therapy too. I also try to give her compliments often without having to have her rehearse only. I think this approach has helped us shape behaviors the most. It has to be done often. My daughter anyway is too much of a perfectionist. She notices the fine details too much and misses the big picture. Many ASD kids have this trait. There is alot more to this issue then what I described. Because my daughter is missing a social perpective on her self and how she fits into school. I try to press her to do things she fears, like being in the talent show, and a dance recital. This works in very supportive settings. The perspective has to change to accept that she may not be the best at a lot of things but she can enjoy being part of the group. This is a harder perspective to shape I think for black and white thinkers, that you can be proud of yourself for having courage to try things that may be hard. I think this is very important to overcome the AS child's desire to retreat and be self absorbed as a way to cope with anxiety. I think this takes a supportive school for sure but lots of work at home too. And not letting our kids retreat too much (some downtime is important). I think the school can be aware to praise participation and not be critical in anyway. You can ask the teachers to give lots of positive feedback daily and to you. And when you child says neagtive things you can say " how about this and this " . Pam > > My son has very negative perceptions of events that happen in his day to day life. He comes home and re-tells a lot of interactions that have a negative slant. Many days, he's not talkative and he doesn't share much. I'm not sure if the events are as bad as he claims or if he colors them that way. At home and at school are different, so hard to compare them. (home life is more fun for him) At school, he can have some good events happen in his day, but for the most part he'll fixate and only elaborate on the bad ones--however big or small. BUT, he does have the ability to talk about fun stuff, too. (Overall, my son would tell you he doesnt' like school. Doesnt' like homework, just wants to stay home and play on the computer.) > > How can a goal be written to address my son's negative inference/perception of events? The school wants to use this goal: Child will discuss perceptions of peer interaction with adult help. > > It's soooo lame and allows the school to not really address the problem. Is there a way to address my son's negative take on situations in his day at school in a goal? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 My ds has done this as well. It is really part of his having depression. the more depressed, the more everything he views is negative. first, we found meds that helped the depression. I also started pointing out when good things happened because he was often too depressed to acknowledge anything good! The problem was that it only really worked if I noted it out loud at the time it was happening. Then when he started complaining, I would repeat the good things. I was about to have him start making a notebook listing good and bad things when I guess the meds kicked into gear and he stopped doing it. I think this is a complex problem. If your ds is not having a problem with depression, he obviously is having a problem with perception. Sometimes this can be a problem with "theory of mind", which you can write goals for. He can have therapy to address learning how other people feel in various situations. This can help him not always think the worst when things happen. I would add this to social skills. one thing that might help is to have someone help him think of one good and one bad thing each day to tell you about. Then that can be increased to 2 good things, 1 bad, etc. But even being able to tell your parent something you did at school is a goal worth having. They can jot it down on paper as well so you can prompt him at your end. Roxanna Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. ( ) Need help with goal writing My son has very negative perceptions of events that happen in his day to day life. He comes home and re-tells a lot of interactions that have a negative slant. Many days, he's not talkative and he doesn't share much. I'm not sure if the events are as bad as he claims or if he colors them that way. At home and at school are different, so hard to compare them. (home life is more fun for him) At school, he can have some good events happen in his day, but for the most part he'll fixate and only elaborate on the bad ones--however big or small. BUT, he does have the ability to talk about fun stuff, too. (Overall, my son would tell you he doesnt' like school. Doesnt' like homework, just wants to stay home and play on the computer.) How can a goal be written to address my son's negative inference/perception of events? The school wants to use this goal: Child will discuss perceptions of peer interaction with adult help. It's soooo lame and allows the school to not really address the problem. Is there a way to address my son's negative take on situations in his day at school in a goal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 have you tried cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT?). A psychologist or other therapist may be trained in this. is to correct negative thinking patterns. Miranda > > > My ds has done this as well. It is really part of his having depression. the more depressed, the more everything he views is negative. first, we found meds that helped the depression. I also started pointing out when good things happened because he was often too depressed to acknowledge anything good! The problem was that it only really worked if I noted it out loud at the time it was happening. Then when he started complaining, I would repeat the good things. I was about to have him start making a notebook listing good and bad things when I guess the meds kicked into gear and he stopped doing it. > > I think this is a complex problem. If your ds is not having a problem with depression, he obviously is having a problem with perception. Sometimes this can be a problem with " theory of mind " , which you can write goals for. He can have therapy to address learning how other people feel in various situations. This can help him not always think the worst when things happen. I would add this to social skills. one thing that might help is to have someone help him think of one good and one bad thing each day to tell you about. Then that can be increased to 2 good things, 1 bad, etc. But even being able to tell your parent something you did at school is a goal worth having. They can jot it down on paper as well so you can prompt him at your end. > > > > > Roxanna > Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. > > > > > > ( ) Need help with goal writing > > > > > > My son has very negative perceptions of events that happen in his day to day life. He comes home and re-tells a lot of interactions that have a negative slant. Many days, he's not talkative and he doesn't share much. I'm not sure if the events are as bad as he claims or if he colors them that way. At home and at school are different, so hard to compare them. (home life is more fun for him) At school, he can have some good events happen in his day, but for the most part he'll fixate and only elaborate on the bad ones--however big or small. BUT, he does have the ability to talk about fun stuff, too. (Overall, my son would tell you he doesnt' like school. Doesnt' like homework, just wants to stay home and play on the computer.) > > How can a goal be written to address my son's negative inference/perception of events? The school wants to use this goal: Child will discuss perceptions of peer interaction with adult help. > > It's soooo lame and allows the school to not really address the problem. Is there a way to address my son's negative take on situations in his day at school in a goal? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Perception is a complicated goal writing task to tackle. How to approach this for an iep? How can you specifically target negative perceptions related to theory of mind? On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> wrote:  My ds has done this as well. It is really part of his having depression. the more depressed, the more everything he views is negative. first, we found meds that helped the depression. I also started pointing out when good things happened because he was often too depressed to acknowledge anything good! The problem was that it only really worked if I noted it out loud at the time it was happening.  Then when he started complaining, I would repeat the good things. I was about to have him start making a notebook listing good and bad things when I guess the meds kicked into gear and he stopped doing it. I think this is a complex problem. If your ds is not having a problem with depression, he obviously is having a problem with perception. Sometimes this can be a problem with " theory of mind " , which you can write goals for. He can have therapy to address learning how other people feel in various situations. This can help him not always think the worst when things happen. I would add this to social skills. one thing that might help is to have someone help him think of one good and one bad thing each day to tell you about. Then that can be increased to 2 good things, 1 bad, etc. But even being able to tell your parent something you did at school is a goal worth having. They can jot it down on paper as well so you can prompt him at your end. Roxanna Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. ( ) Need help with goal writing  My son has very negative perceptions of events that happen in his day to day life. He comes home and re-tells a lot of interactions that have a negative slant. Many days, he's not talkative and he doesn't share much. I'm not sure if the events are as bad as he claims or if he colors them that way. At home and at school are different, so hard to compare them. (home life is more fun for him) At school, he can have some good events happen in his day, but for the most part he'll fixate and only elaborate on the bad ones--however big or small. BUT, he does have the ability to talk about fun stuff, too. (Overall, my son would tell you he doesnt' like school. Doesnt' like homework, just wants to stay home and play on the computer.) How can a goal be written to address my son's negative inference/perception of events? The school wants to use this goal: Child will discuss perceptions of peer interaction with adult help.It's soooo lame and allows the school to not really address the problem. Is there a way to address my son's negative take on situations in his day at school in a goal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 I would address negative perceptions related to theory of mind by teaching how to "mind read" - or how to recognize what other people are thinking or feeling based on situation, body language and what they are saying. IMO, the more he correctly identifies what is going on, the less he is likely to misinterpret it or mistake it for something against him. When we did this, in teaching how to understand what other people are thinking, for instance, we had books without words and characters in situations. Then he had to predict what was going to happen next, or predict what they were saying. If the scene is a little girl laying on the road next to her bike and crying, why is she crying? What happened? How do you feel when you fall off your bike? etc. We used a book called, "teaching children with autism to mind read" among several others. But we used the ideas in that book to address some of these areas of deficit. You can write a goal about anything. But you would want to be specific. Here is a list of things we put in my own ds's IEP some years back. each item was my list of what I wanted in his IEP and then the teacher I worked with re-wrote them into the appropriate goal format. But it would be basically the same. (the page numbers were from the books we were working out of. ) Pragmatic Language and Socialization (why things happen, predictions, TOM, social settings) R will identify and describe Identifies what does not belong based on attribute or category (145) Answer "why" object does not belong R will predict Answers WHY/IF questions (165) Explain if....then scenarios Predicts outcomes (168, tml 64,65) and explain why Provides explanations, cause/effect (169, tml 70-86) R will improve problem solving Id IF there is a problem Tell WHAT is the problem Explain WHY it is a problem Provide a solution (multiple?) R will learn TOM Explain or describe events/situations from another's perspective Give a situation, state 2 points of view Give at least one reason for that point of view Predict an action based on available knowledge Provide answers to justification questions regarding thoughts, feelings or actions Roxanna Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. ( ) Need help with goal writing My son has very negative perceptions of events that happen in his day to day life. He comes home and re-tells a lot of interactions that have a negative slant. Many days, he's not talkative and he doesn't share much. I'm not sure if the events are as bad as he claims or if he colors them that way. At home and at school are different, so hard to compare them. (home life is more fun for him) At school, he can have some good events happen in his day, but for the most part he'll fixate and only elaborate on the bad ones--however big or small. BUT, he does have the ability to talk about fun stuff, too. (Overall, my son would tell you he doesnt' like school. Doesnt' like homework, just wants to stay home and play on the computer.) How can a goal be written to address my son's negative inference/perception of events? The school wants to use this goal: Child will discuss perceptions of peer interaction with adult help. It's soooo lame and allows the school to not really address the problem. Is there a way to address my son's negative take on situations in his day at school in a goal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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