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Roxanna – I did not see this show but if I had I probably

would have been screaming at the TV along with you. I wanted to scream

just reading your email.

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Did

any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus

load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter

again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were

bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling

her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids

and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch

the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This

man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the

father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for

help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help

the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion. They had an " expert " on there, E.C., and I just

screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless

things they all say. He said, " The father feels guilty " for

having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so

do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more

self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, " We

could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively

ripping it to shreds every day on the bus! " morons!) And

really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased

and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

self-reliance.

And of course, " Contact the school " for help. Which parents

SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There

is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were

obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The " expert "

should have said " contact the school and threaten a lawsuit " to get

their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, " The

father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying. " The

expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right

way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who

has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another

parent, " That's not nice. " The situation is so beyond

that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss

it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped.

This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up

the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little

darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do

this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who

cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an

angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the " poor kids " on the bus who were

" traumatized " by the parent screaming at them. I LOL.

These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they

got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube,

frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand

" cause/effect " relationships. It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

" Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean

kids! " I think it is more " taxing " on the kids to have no

adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with

mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent

yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the " expert " said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the

bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the

constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip

out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv?

(Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or

something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

" expert " about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father

in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told,

" We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and

wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like

that. " (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I

just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get

it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good

attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity

his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up

today!

Roxanna

" I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking

care of them. " - Jefferson

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OMG... and the schools wonder why parents are pulling their kids out and homeschooling. That is awful. Just reading about what his daughter had to endure infuriated me. That so called expert is an idiot and the school is negligent. I hope they sue the pants off of that school.

Becky

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 10:23:10 AMSubject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as

the father is screaming. I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did.

But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be

doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God

someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad

for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

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I can understand the father being very upset in this situation, but he went at it all wrong. I sure hope it can be resolved with a good outcome.On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Elgamal <cindyelgamal@...> wrote:

 

Roxanna – I did not see this show but if I had I probably

would have been screaming at the TV along with you.  I wanted to scream

just reading your email. 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:23 AM

Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

 

 

Did

any of you see Fox and Friends this morning?  It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News.  They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus

load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter

again.  His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were

bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling

her names.  so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids

and told them to knock it off or else.  Apparently, the bus cam can catch

the father screaming.  I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This

man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's.  Now the

father is being prosecuted.  He had already gone to the school, asking for

help.  The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help

the situation...which did nothing.  Even the bus driver is sitting there

ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.   

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion.  They had an " expert " on there, E.C., and I just

screamed at the tv.   The guy said all the same trite and useless

things they all say.  He said, " The father feels guilty " for

having a child with a disability.  (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so

do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more

self-reliant.  (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, " We

could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively

ripping it to shreds every day on the bus! "   morons!)  And

really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased

and bullied.  I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

self-reliance. 

And of course, " Contact the school " for help.  Which parents

SHOULD DO, and which he did.  But which accomplished nothing.  There

is only one E.C. in the world!  <g>  But the school staff were

obviously doing nothing to stop the problem.  The " expert "

should have said " contact the school and threaten a lawsuit " to get

their attention.  Only then will they take it seriously. 

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, " The

father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying. "   The

expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right

way.  Oh please!  What a disaster!  Can you imagine a parent who

has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another

parent, " That's not nice. "   The situation is so beyond

that.  And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss

it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. 

This is not something the parent should be doing.  You are just setting up

the same situation.  Many times, these parents will defend their little

darling to the death and are bully's themselves.  You should not do

this!  You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who

cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an

angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. 

Then there was discussion about the " poor kids " on the bus who were

" traumatized " by the parent screaming at them.  I LOL. 

These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they

got!  A parent screaming at them?  They see more trauma on you-tube,

frankly.  They are not stupid - they can understand

" cause/effect " relationships.  It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle.  I was disgusted.  I

thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

" Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean

kids! "   I think it is more " taxing " on the kids to have no

adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with

mob rule.  What is more traumatizing than that?  Seeing a parent

yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing?  I was so disgusted.

Then the " expert " said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the

bus.  Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge.  It wasn't the

constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip

out over it.  AUGH!  Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? 

(Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or

something?  Yikes!)  lol. 

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

" expert " about bullying.  And I just felt so bad for the father

in this situation.  I remember standing in an office once being told,

" We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and

wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like

that. "   (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol)  I

just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get

it.  I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good

attorney.  Ugh.  I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity

his case is getting.  He deserves it.  Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam.  lol.  what a way to wake up

today!

 

Roxanna

" I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking

care of them. " - Jefferson

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We are currently having HORRIBLE problems with bullying. And it's not my son (who is AS) who is getting bullied right now, it's my daughter who has sensory issues and is overweight. I intend to go to the PTO on Tuesday night and address this. There is an organization in MN that is having a National Bullying Prevention Month next month. Their website is www.pacer.org/bullying They have a whole curriculum set up on the web and it's all FREE! The teachers can just download it and print it. They can play videos from the website and everything. I intend to do all I can to promote this in our school. This organization has spread the word and now even has Demi Lovato as their spokesperson. It is just SO wrong for ANY child to have to put up with bullying of any kind!!

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Here is a link to the story. It says it is in Sanford Florida. Already "school officials" are denying that the father complained to them. Again, this shows how necessary it is to put everything in writing when dealing with the school. I am sure this father never thought things would keep escalating and probably didn't put anything in writing. Then it did escalate and he is now looking like the bad guy. I am sure the school staff will keep denying they did not do anything and spin things accordingly. The two aides on the bus will be there for other reasons or just because they had the extra funds to put them there <g>. The video of the incidents will be repressed while this video of the father screaming at the "poor" kids will not - it's already out there. This article below also says the kids were laughing when the father got off the bus. How traumatized they were, huh? grrrr.....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/17/deputies-fla-dad-threatened-kids-bus-teased-daughter-suffering-cerebral-palsy/

Roxanna

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predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did

any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus

load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter

again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were

bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling

her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids

and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch

the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This

man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the

father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for

help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help

the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just

screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless

things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for

having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so

do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more

self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We

could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively

ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And

really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased

and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents

SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There

is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were

obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert"

should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get

their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The

father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The

expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right

way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who

has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another

parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond

that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss

it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped.

This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up

the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little

darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do

this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who

cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an

angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were

"traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL.

These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they

got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube,

frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand

"cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

"Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean

kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no

adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with

mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent

yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the

bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the

constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip

out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv?

(Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or

something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

"expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father

in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told,

"We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and

wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like

that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I

just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get

it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good

attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity

his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up

today!

Roxanna

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking

care of them." - Jefferson

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He admits he didn't do the right thing. The problem is that everyone will focus on that aspect and not on the actual problem that started everything into motion. They will all discuss counseling for the father, perhaps, or community service. After all, he needs to learn a lesson! They might even print a "no bullying" policy in the school rule book to collect dust. That will be what is done. And I just feel it's so wrong to not look at the actual problem and solve it. And frankly, him yelling at those kids was not really that bad, IMO. Someone should take control of the situation. Certainly it was not his place. But we need to focus on whose place it was to deal with the problem and make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again. But that will not happen, I am sure! And in the article I just found, those kids were laughing when the father was done yelling and got off the bus. That's how seriously they take it. As E.C. correctly put it, it's "entertainment bullying." They got what they were after big time. Maybe they can even get on tv sometime and act like poor little victims. Then they would get more attention. I'm just disgusted with it. (probably that's obvious, lol!)

Roxanna

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predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did

any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus

load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter

again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were

bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling

her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids

and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch

the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This

man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the

father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for

help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help

the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just

screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless

things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for

having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so

do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more

self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We

could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively

ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And

really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased

and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents

SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There

is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were

obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert"

should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get

their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The

father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The

expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right

way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who

has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another

parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond

that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss

it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped.

This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up

the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little

darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do

this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who

cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an

angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were

"traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL.

These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they

got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube,

frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand

"cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

"Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean

kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no

adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with

mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent

yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the

bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the

constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip

out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv?

(Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or

something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

"expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father

in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told,

"We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and

wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like

that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I

just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get

it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good

attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity

his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up

today!

Roxanna

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking

care of them." - Jefferson

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Are you saying that E.C. Bernard was the expert on the show? I was looking

online to see if I can find the video. I thought she was a list-member here.

She wrote a book on how to prevent bullying that I thought was very good. I'd

like to see the video.

Miriam

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> > Roxanna – I did not see this show but if I had I probably would have been

> > screaming at the TV along with you. I wanted to scream just reading your

> > email.

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > *From:* [mailto:

> > ] *On Behalf Of *Roxanna

> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:23 AM

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> > *Subject:* ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

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> > Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

> > show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load

> > of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again.

> > His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her -

> > putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names.

> > so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to

> > knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father

> > screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs

> > a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is

> > being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The

> > school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the

> > situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

> > ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

> >

> > I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

> > discussion. They had an " expert " on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the

> > tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He

> > said, " The father feels guilty " for having a child with a disability.

> > (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to

> > teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self

> > esteem...I was screaming, " We could improve her self-esteem better if those

> > kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus! "

> > morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing

> > she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

> > self-reliance.

> >

> > And of course, " Contact the school " for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and

> > which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in

> > the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop

> > the problem. The " expert " should have said " contact the school and threaten

> > a lawsuit " to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

> >

> > And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, " The father

> > should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying. " The expert

> > admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh

> > please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered

> > in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, " That's not

> > nice. " The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have

> > hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids

> > off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be

> > doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these

> > parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's

> > themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be

> > talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for

> > suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested

> > that.

> >

> > Then there was discussion about the " poor kids " on the bus who were

> > " traumatized " by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not

> > traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent

> > screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not

> > stupid - they can understand " cause/effect " relationships. It was just the

> > height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

> > thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

> > " Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids! " I

> > think it is more " taxing " on the kids to have no adult solving the problem

> > or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more

> > traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is

> > traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

> >

> > Then the " expert " said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

> > alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus.

> > Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily

> > torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over

> > it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first

> > sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

> >

> > I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

> > " expert " about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this

> > situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, " We realize he

> > was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go,

> > but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that. " (Made me wonder

> > who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted

> > to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to

> > send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good

> > atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway,

> > I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way

> > to wake up today!

> >

> >

> >

> > Roxanna

> > * " I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

> > government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of

> > taking care of them. " - Jefferson*

> >

> >

> >

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I have to say when I first saw this story, I thought "Way to go, Dad!" Those kids deserved to be yelled at, and if the bus driver or no one else in the school was doing anything, those bullies needed to know their actions were wrong.

I know my husband would probably handle the situation the same way.. He is a big, intimidating guy, and he had a "talk" with some boys in my son's class last year. Something to the effect of, "If you pick on my kid, you are going to have to deal with me." That was all he had to say. Of course, the kids are younger. I don't know that this would work in middle school.

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Roxanna – I did not see this show but if I had I probably would have been screaming at the TV along with you. I wanted to scream just reading your email.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of RoxannaSent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is

sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming. I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which

parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This

is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I

would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about

bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

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Sadly,,,,only parents with any idea of what bullying of their own kids is like or perhaps real parents with hearts can understand why this dad reacted the way he did.

He was simply crushed over how his daughter was being treated and the fact that the damned school wasn't doing enought (if anything) about it.

Sick.

That's what the media should be focusing on.....the fact that nothing was being done to the bullies or familes to stop them and teach them NOT to be mean. Plain and simple.

It seems it's a lot easier to focus on the "crazy" dad who is defending his child.

Again.....sick.

Robin

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree, there will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see, there will be an answer. let it be.

Roxanna – I did not see this show but if I had I probably would have been screaming at the TV along with you. I wanted to scream just reading your email.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of RoxannaSent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is

sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming. I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which

parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This

is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I

would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about

bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

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Seriously. I wish all parents understood this. I've had people think I was

making to much of something but they don't have to live in the same house with

my daughter. She was bullied in a more psychological way so it was more subtle.

The school said, " Oh, girls are like that at this time of year. " I told them I

didn't care WHAT girls were like this time of year because it isn't appropriate.

Poor Rayleigh. There was this girl in first grade who started a club and told

the other kids that if they were friends with Rayleigh they couldn't be in the

club. This girl was the librarian's daughter. None of the staff in the school

noticed how rotten she was but there were plenty of parents who knew. She told

one disabled child, " You can only be in the club if you give me your barbies. "

The girl tried to take her barbies to school to give them to this girl. The

bully also lied to the teacher and blamed other kids for things she'd done.

Then on top of this they were doing this thing where kids in first grade could

participate in opening announcements in the morning. Anyone who wanted to do it

had to write a little essay about why. Rayleigh wrote her paper and the teacher

lost is. The next thing we knew this MEAN kid got a SECOND chance. Rayleigh

wanted it SO badly and I had just finished reporting the bullying when we found

out this girl was getting to do morning announcements again. It was after

school and I made a ton of phone calls and gave them all hell until they finally

agreed to let Rayleigh do the rest of the week even though the mean girl had

started the week.

During all of this I was working with Rayleigh to help her find ways of dealing

with it. She's a very sensitive and intelligent girl with more than her share

of empathy. We happened to be reading some Harry Potter books at the time. She

knows my favorite character is Snape and of course at the time she found it a

little perplexing. Then we got to a part in the story when there's a memory of

Snape being bullied at school. Rayleigh said, " I wonder if that's why is

mean, maybe someone else is being mean to her. " Who knows. Maybe it is true.

Somehow this helped Rayleigh. I also changed the words to a song and added

's name to it. Rayleigh loved the song, " There's a spider on the floor. "

So I sang it to her every day. I put 's name in and told her that if

was mean she could think about this in her head. I told her it wouldn't

be nice to actually sing it TO her but just to think about it. I thought it

took a bit of the power out of the situation.

Rayleigh started to feel more confident and then some new girls moved to the

area and were put in Rayleigh's room. One girl was from Syria and the other was

from India. Rayleigh jumped right in and befriended both of them. Then they

started their own club called the Candy Candy club. The only rule was that

everyone had to be nice to each other. LOL. I was SO proud. Rayleigh came up

with this all on her own and then the mean girl did everything she could to try

to befriend Rayleigh because suddenly Rayleigh was the popular girl. Rayleigh

didn't want her to be a friend but she was kind to her anyway. I think this was

a very important learning experience for Rayleigh but Rayleigh doesn't have the

same level of disability as her brother. I don't know if could do this.

Not that he'd care if someone left him out of a club. He doesn't. As long as

people are civil to him he is happy. He doesn't seem to notice if other people

are leaving him out or talking behind his back but he gets very upset if he

notices someone being a bully. He doesn't put up with that at all. Too bad

he's not on that school bus. He'd have stopped the other kids before the dad

even knew about the bullying. Of course he'd probably have been suspended.

It's one reason he doesn't ride a regular bus. So much potential for confusion

and upset and aggression!

Miriam

Miriam

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> Roxanna †" I did not see this show but if I had I probably would have been

screaming at the TV along with you.  I wanted to scream just reading your

email. 

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> From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Roxanna

> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:23 AM

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> Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

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> Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning?  It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News.  They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of

kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again.  His

daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting

condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names.  so the dad

got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off

or else.  Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming.  I wonder if

the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get

his hands on those video's.  Now the father is being prosecuted.  He had

already gone to the school, asking for help.  The school put two non-English

speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing.  Even the

bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is

screaming.   

>

> I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion.  They had an " expert " on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the

tv.   The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say.  He

said, " The father feels guilty " for having a child with a disability.  (That's

why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these

kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant.  (Improve their self esteem...I was

screaming, " We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so

effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus! "   morons!)  And really,

this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and

bullied.  I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. 

>

> And of course, " Contact the school " for help.  Which parents SHOULD DO, and

which he did.  But which accomplished nothing.  There is only one E.C. in the

world!  <g>  But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the

problem.  The " expert " should have said " contact the school and threaten a

lawsuit " to get their attention.  Only then will they take it seriously. 

>

> And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, " The father

should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying. "   The expert

admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way.  Oh

please!  What a disaster!  Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in

condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, " That's not nice. "  

The situation is so beyond that.  And the school staff should have hauled these

parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until

they stopped.  This is not something the parent should be doing.  You are just

setting up the same situation.  Many times, these parents will defend their

little darling to the death and are bully's themselves.  You should not do

this!  You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares

or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I

couldn't believe he suggested

> that. 

>

> Then there was discussion about the " poor kids " on the bus who were

" traumatized " by the parent screaming at them.  I LOL.  These kids were not

traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got!  A parent screaming

at them?  They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly.  They are not stupid -

they can understand " cause/effect " relationships.  It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle.  I was disgusted.  I thought about

being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, " Thank God

someone is finally doing something with these mean kids! "   I think it is more

" taxing " on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just

be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule.  What is more traumatizing than that? 

Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing?  I was so

disgusted.

>

> Then the " expert " said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded

that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus.  Oh yes,

that is what sent her over the edge.  It wasn't the constant daily torture that

she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it.  AUGH!  Can

you tell I was yelling at the tv?  (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or

old age or mental illness or something?  Yikes!)  lol. 

>

> I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this " expert "

about bullying.  And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation.  I

remember standing in an office once being told, " We realize he was upset when

they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't

have him screaming on the bus like that. "   (Made me wonder who had the learning

disability, lol)  I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these

people who don't get it.  I wish I was really rich to send this man money to

hire a good attorney.  Ugh.  I hope he gets a good atty just from the

publicity his case is getting.  He deserves it.  Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam.  lol.  what a way to wake up today!

>

>  

>

>

> Roxanna

> " I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government

from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of

them. " - Jefferson

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Your post was awesome.

What I'm hearing (and have always believed) is that sure, as kids age, they can definitely become a lot like who they're hanging out wtih, sure. They may do things, say things, etc, that we'd rather them NOT do.

BUT,,,,,,treating others kindly and respectfully is something that is taught. Bottom line.

Your kids are good, nice, empathetic kids. Mine are, too. Plain and simple.

Bullies are NOT taught to be nice. THIS is what has to change. And the only way is to hold the fricken parents responsible. MAKE the parents get out of work and come get their kids.........Make it hurt the parents.

We can talk till we're blue in the face. Kids may even be taught at school to be more understanding adn caring, but if they're going home to crap - they're never gonna really learn it, ya know?

Sigh.

Robin

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree, there will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see, there will be an answer. let it be.

From: mimasdprofile <callis4773@...>Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 9:00 AM

Seriously. I wish all parents understood this. I've had people think I was making to much of something but they don't have to live in the same house with my daughter. She was bullied in a more psychological way so it was more subtle. The school said, "Oh, girls are like that at this time of year." I told them I didn't care WHAT girls were like this time of year because it isn't appropriate. Poor Rayleigh. There was this girl in first grade who started a club and told the other kids that if they were friends with Rayleigh they couldn't be in the club. This girl was the librarian's daughter. None of the staff in the school noticed how rotten she was but there were plenty of parents who knew. She told one disabled child, "You can only be in the club if you give me your barbies." The girl tried to take her barbies to school to give them to this girl. The bully also lied to the teacher and blamed other kids for things she'd done. Then on top of this they

were doing this thing where kids in first grade could participate in opening announcements in the morning. Anyone who wanted to do it had to write a little essay about why. Rayleigh wrote her paper and the teacher lost is. The next thing we knew this MEAN kid got a SECOND chance. Rayleigh wanted it SO badly and I had just finished reporting the bullying when we found out this girl was getting to do morning announcements again. It was after school and I made a ton of phone calls and gave them all hell until they finally agreed to let Rayleigh do the rest of the week even though the mean girl had started the week.During all of this I was working with Rayleigh to help her find ways of dealing with it. She's a very sensitive and intelligent girl with more than her share of empathy. We happened to be reading some Harry Potter books at the time. She knows my favorite character is Snape and of course at the time she found it a little perplexing. Then

we got to a part in the story when there's a memory of Snape being bullied at school. Rayleigh said, "I wonder if that's why is mean, maybe someone else is being mean to her." Who knows. Maybe it is true. Somehow this helped Rayleigh. I also changed the words to a song and added 's name to it. Rayleigh loved the song, "There's a spider on the floor." So I sang it to her every day. I put 's name in and told her that if was mean she could think about this in her head. I told her it wouldn't be nice to actually sing it TO her but just to think about it. I thought it took a bit of the power out of the situation. Rayleigh started to feel more confident and then some new girls moved to the area and were put in Rayleigh's room. One girl was from Syria and the other was from India. Rayleigh jumped right in and befriended both of them. Then they started their own club called the Candy Candy club. The only rule was that everyone

had to be nice to each other. LOL. I was SO proud. Rayleigh came up with this all on her own and then the mean girl did everything she could to try to befriend Rayleigh because suddenly Rayleigh was the popular girl. Rayleigh didn't want her to be a friend but she was kind to her anyway. I think this was a very important learning experience for Rayleigh but Rayleigh doesn't have the same level of disability as her brother. I don't know if could do this. Not that he'd care if someone left him out of a club. He doesn't. As long as people are civil to him he is happy. He doesn't seem to notice if other people are leaving him out or talking behind his back but he gets very upset if he notices someone being a bully. He doesn't put up with that at all. Too bad he's not on that school bus. He'd have stopped the other kids before the dad even knew about the bullying. Of course he'd probably have been suspended. It's one reason he doesn't ride a regular

bus. So much potential for confusion and upset and aggression!MiriamMiriam> > >  > > > > > > Roxanna â€" I did not see this show but if I had I probably would have been screaming at the TV along with you. I wanted to scream just reading your email. >  > >  > > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Roxanna> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:23 AM> > Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard>  >  > > > > > Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her -

putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.   > > I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv.  The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say.Â

He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. > > And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to

get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. > > And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if

you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested> that. > > Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on

a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.> > Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. > > I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his

head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today! > >  > > > Roxanna> "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson>

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Hello- Schwaub had an excellent program at one time as to how to handle

the bullies. I was very glad that I attended this program several years ago. The

most effective way to handle the situation is to go directly to the Vice

Principal or Principal of the school and immediately call a meeting with the

bullying child's parents and VP and Principal. In the meeting announce that your

child has special needs and you have zero tolerance for the bullies behavior.

Since your son/daughter have special needs a change in schools would disrupt

his/her progress. An education is a thing, NOT A PLACE. Tell the other parent if

the bullies behavior doesn't immediately stop you will have a restraining order

issued against their child within 24 hours and the bully will be immediately

ejected from the campus where bullying is occurring. At this meeting, the other

parent was absolutely shocked and the bullies parents knew I was extremely

serious!!! The staff at school gave me lots of respect for doing this and it

helped them solve the bullying problem. Often the staff/teacher/school do not

know how to effectively deal with children that are routinely bullied. The

parents actually have more power to deal with the bully than the school does.

Best to you and your child.

>

> We are currently having HORRIBLE problems with bullying. And it's not my

son (who is AS) who is getting bullied right now, it's my daughter who has

sensory issues and is overweight. I intend to go to the PTO on Tuesday night

and address this. There is an organization in MN that is having a National

Bullying Prevention Month next month. Their website is www.pacer.org/bullying

They have a whole curriculum set up on the web and it's all FREE! The teachers

can just download it and print it. They can play videos from the website and

everything. I intend to do all I can to promote this in our school. This

organization has spread the word and now even has Demi Lovato as their

spokesperson. It is just SO wrong for ANY child to have to put up with bullying

of any kind!!

>

> Beth

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I agree, but is there a right way to do so when the school system isn't

responding? He has a handicapped child and he should have a right to protect

her if the school system and their staff refuse to. When kids are putting

condoms in her hair, it is more than just bullying and IMHO the next step could

easily be rape. Personally, I had the option of homeschooling, but a lot of

people need to work.

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>

> >

> >

> > Roxanna – I did not see this show but if I had I probably would have been

> > screaming at the TV along with you. I wanted to scream just reading your

> > email.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *From:* [mailto:

> > ] *On Behalf Of *Roxanna

> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:23 AM

> > *To:*

> > *Subject:* ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

> > show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load

> > of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again.

> > His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her -

> > putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names.

> > so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to

> > knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father

> > screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs

> > a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is

> > being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The

> > school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the

> > situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

> > ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

> >

> > I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

> > discussion. They had an " expert " on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the

> > tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He

> > said, " The father feels guilty " for having a child with a disability.

> > (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to

> > teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self

> > esteem...I was screaming, " We could improve her self-esteem better if those

> > kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus! "

> > morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing

> > she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

> > self-reliance.

> >

> > And of course, " Contact the school " for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and

> > which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in

> > the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop

> > the problem. The " expert " should have said " contact the school and threaten

> > a lawsuit " to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

> >

> > And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, " The father

> > should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying. " The expert

> > admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh

> > please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered

> > in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, " That's not

> > nice. " The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have

> > hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids

> > off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be

> > doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these

> > parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's

> > themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be

> > talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for

> > suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested

> > that.

> >

> > Then there was discussion about the " poor kids " on the bus who were

> > " traumatized " by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not

> > traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent

> > screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not

> > stupid - they can understand " cause/effect " relationships. It was just the

> > height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

> > thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

> > " Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids! " I

> > think it is more " taxing " on the kids to have no adult solving the problem

> > or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more

> > traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is

> > traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

> >

> > Then the " expert " said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

> > alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus.

> > Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily

> > torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over

> > it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first

> > sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

> >

> > I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

> > " expert " about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this

> > situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, " We realize he

> > was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go,

> > but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that. " (Made me wonder

> > who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted

> > to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to

> > send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good

> > atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway,

> > I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way

> > to wake up today!

> >

> >

> >

> > Roxanna

> > * " I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

> > government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of

> > taking care of them. " - Jefferson*

> >

> >

> >

>

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This was awesome!!! Good for you!!!!

I'm keeping this post!

Robin

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree, there will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see, there will be an answer. let it be.

From: gnome20202000 <estee2009@...>Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 5:52 PM

Hello- Schwaub had an excellent program at one time as to how to handle the bullies. I was very glad that I attended this program several years ago. The most effective way to handle the situation is to go directly to the Vice Principal or Principal of the school and immediately call a meeting with the bullying child's parents and VP and Principal. In the meeting announce that your child has special needs and you have zero tolerance for the bullies behavior. Since your son/daughter have special needs a change in schools would disrupt his/her progress. An education is a thing, NOT A PLACE. Tell the other parent if the bullies behavior doesn't immediately stop you will have a restraining order issued against their child within 24 hours and the bully will be immediately ejected from the campus where bullying is occurring. At this meeting, the other parent was absolutely shocked and the bullies parents knew I was extremely serious!!! The staff at

school gave me lots of respect for doing this and it helped them solve the bullying problem. Often the staff/teacher/school do not know how to effectively deal with children that are routinely bullied. The parents actually have more power to deal with the bully than the school does. Best to you and your child. >> We are currently having HORRIBLE problems with bullying. And it's not my son (who is AS) who is getting bullied right now, it's my daughter who has sensory issues and is overweight. I intend to go to the PTO on Tuesday night and address this. There is an organization in MN that is having a National Bullying Prevention Month next month. Their website is

www.pacer.org/bullying They have a whole curriculum set up on the web and it's all FREE! The teachers can just download it and print it. They can play videos from the website and everything. I intend to do all I can to promote this in our school. This organization has spread the word and now even has Demi Lovato as their spokesperson. It is just SO wrong for ANY child to have to put up with bullying of any kind!!> > Beth>

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Yes! that is exactly my problem with it. There is nothing worse in my own life than when kids tease or are nasty to one of my kids. It just is the worst, I think.

Roxanna

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predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is

sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which

parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This

is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I

would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about

bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna

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Some kids are just good at B.S.-ing their way through it, too. I know we have/had a neighbor girl who was like that. To adults, parents, etc., she was the most wonderful girl. She was thoughtful, kind, sweet...etc. But behind the scenes, she was bossy, nasty and mean. I don't even know if her own parents realized how awful she was. My kids were always at the receiving end of her, so we learned early on she was not so sweet as she pretended. She was an only child too so no siblings to knock it out of her, lol. I was so glad when my dd stopped playing with her.

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> Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her -

putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.  Â

>

> I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv.  The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say.Â

He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.Â

>

> And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to

get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.Â

>

> And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if

you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested

> that.Â

>

> Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on

a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

>

> Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.Â

>

> I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his

head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

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Yep, you're right. It's one of the most horrible feelings. Sigh.

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And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree, there will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see, there will be an answer. let it be.

Roxanna – I did not see this show but if I had I probably would have been screaming at the TV along with you. I wanted to scream just reading your email.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of RoxannaSent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus

driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming. I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. And of course, "Contact the school" for help.

Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they

stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that

bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than

this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

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Ugh. this makes me mad. One more reason not to watch Fox News. From: MadIdeas@...Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:23:10 -0400Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna

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predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

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Oh yes, the school is definitely negligent. From: pidder88@...Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:16:55 -0700Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

OMG... and the schools wonder why parents are pulling their kids out and homeschooling. That is awful. Just reading about what his daughter had to endure infuriated me. That so called expert is an idiot and the school is negligent. I hope they sue the pants off of that school.

Becky

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 10:23:10 AMSubject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as

the father is screaming. I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did.

But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be

doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God

someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad

for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

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you are so right Roxanna. Yes, perhaps the father behaved wrongly but we are all protective of our children and I have had to bite my own tongue many many times. Someone has got to make it clear to kids that bullying is NOT funny and NOT acceptable. If the school is not doing that he should sue it for failure to protect his daughter. And for outlets like Fox News to just focus on the father is irresponsible. But then again, I don't think much FN does is responsible (JMHO) From: MadIdeas@...Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:53:52 -0400Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

He admits he didn't do the right thing. The problem is that everyone will focus on that aspect and not on the actual problem that started everything into motion. They will all discuss counseling for the father, perhaps, or community service. After all, he needs to learn a lesson! They might even print a "no bullying" policy in the school rule book to collect dust. That will be what is done. And I just feel it's so wrong to not look at the actual problem and solve it. And frankly, him yelling at those kids was not really that bad, IMO. Someone should take control of the situation. Certainly it was not his place. But we need to focus on whose place it was to deal with the problem and make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again. But that will not happen, I am sure! And in the article I just found, those kids were laughing when the father was done yelling and got off the bus. That's how seriously they take it. As E.C. correctly put it, it's "entertainment bullying." They got what they were after big time. Maybe they can even get on tv sometime and act like poor little victims. Then they would get more attention. I'm just disgusted with it. (probably that's obvious, lol!)

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did

any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus

load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter

again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were

bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling

her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids

and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch

the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This

man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the

father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for

help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help

the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just

screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless

things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for

having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so

do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more

self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We

could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively

ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And

really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased

and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents

SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There

is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were

obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert"

should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get

their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The

father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The

expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right

way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who

has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another

parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond

that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss

it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped.

This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up

the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little

darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do

this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who

cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an

angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were

"traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL.

These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they

got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube,

frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand

"cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

"Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean

kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no

adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with

mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent

yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the

bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the

constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip

out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv?

(Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or

something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

"expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father

in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told,

"We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and

wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like

that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I

just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get

it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good

attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity

his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up

today!

Roxanna

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking

care of them." - Jefferson

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you are so right Roxanna. Yes, perhaps the father behaved wrongly but we are all protective of our children and I have had to bite my own tongue many many times. Someone has got to make it clear to kids that bullying is NOT funny and NOT acceptable. If the school is not doing that he should sue it for failure to protect his daughter. And for outlets like Fox News to just focus on the father is irresponsible. But then again, I don't think much FN does is responsible (JMHO) From: MadIdeas@...Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:53:52 -0400Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

He admits he didn't do the right thing. The problem is that everyone will focus on that aspect and not on the actual problem that started everything into motion. They will all discuss counseling for the father, perhaps, or community service. After all, he needs to learn a lesson! They might even print a "no bullying" policy in the school rule book to collect dust. That will be what is done. And I just feel it's so wrong to not look at the actual problem and solve it. And frankly, him yelling at those kids was not really that bad, IMO. Someone should take control of the situation. Certainly it was not his place. But we need to focus on whose place it was to deal with the problem and make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again. But that will not happen, I am sure! And in the article I just found, those kids were laughing when the father was done yelling and got off the bus. That's how seriously they take it. As E.C. correctly put it, it's "entertainment bullying." They got what they were after big time. Maybe they can even get on tv sometime and act like poor little victims. Then they would get more attention. I'm just disgusted with it. (probably that's obvious, lol!)

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did

any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus

load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter

again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were

bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling

her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids

and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch

the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This

man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the

father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for

help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help

the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just

screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless

things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for

having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so

do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more

self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We

could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively

ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And

really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased

and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents

SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There

is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were

obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert"

should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get

their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The

father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The

expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right

way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who

has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another

parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond

that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss

it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped.

This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up

the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little

darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do

this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who

cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an

angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were

"traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL.

These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they

got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube,

frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand

"cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

"Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean

kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no

adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with

mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent

yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the

bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the

constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip

out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv?

(Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or

something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

"expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father

in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told,

"We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and

wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like

that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I

just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get

it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good

attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity

his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up

today!

Roxanna

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government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking

care of them." - Jefferson

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Wow Miriam, good for you and good for Rayleigh. She sounds like a great kid From: callis4773@...Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:00:39 +0000Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Seriously. I wish all parents understood this. I've had people think I was making to much of something but they don't have to live in the same house with my daughter. She was bullied in a more psychological way so it was more subtle. The school said, "Oh, girls are like that at this time of year." I told them I didn't care WHAT girls were like this time of year because it isn't appropriate. Poor Rayleigh. There was this girl in first grade who started a club and told the other kids that if they were friends with Rayleigh they couldn't be in the club. This girl was the librarian's daughter. None of the staff in the school noticed how rotten she was but there were plenty of parents who knew. She told one disabled child, "You can only be in the club if you give me your barbies." The girl tried to take her barbies to school to give them to this girl. The bully also lied to the teacher and blamed other kids for things she'd done. Then on top of this they were doing this thing where kids in first grade could participate in opening announcements in the morning. Anyone who wanted to do it had to write a little essay about why. Rayleigh wrote her paper and the teacher lost is. The next thing we knew this MEAN kid got a SECOND chance. Rayleigh wanted it SO badly and I had just finished reporting the bullying when we found out this girl was getting to do morning announcements again. It was after school and I made a ton of phone calls and gave them all hell until they finally agreed to let Rayleigh do the rest of the week even though the mean girl had started the week.

During all of this I was working with Rayleigh to help her find ways of dealing with it. She's a very sensitive and intelligent girl with more than her share of empathy. We happened to be reading some Harry Potter books at the time. She knows my favorite character is Snape and of course at the time she found it a little perplexing. Then we got to a part in the story when there's a memory of Snape being bullied at school. Rayleigh said, "I wonder if that's why is mean, maybe someone else is being mean to her." Who knows. Maybe it is true. Somehow this helped Rayleigh. I also changed the words to a song and added 's name to it. Rayleigh loved the song, "There's a spider on the floor." So I sang it to her every day. I put 's name in and told her that if was mean she could think about this in her head. I told her it wouldn't be nice to actually sing it TO her but just to think about it. I thought it took a bit of the power out of the situation.

Rayleigh started to feel more confident and then some new girls moved to the area and were put in Rayleigh's room. One girl was from Syria and the other was from India. Rayleigh jumped right in and befriended both of them. Then they started their own club called the Candy Candy club. The only rule was that everyone had to be nice to each other. LOL. I was SO proud. Rayleigh came up with this all on her own and then the mean girl did everything she could to try to befriend Rayleigh because suddenly Rayleigh was the popular girl. Rayleigh didn't want her to be a friend but she was kind to her anyway. I think this was a very important learning experience for Rayleigh but Rayleigh doesn't have the same level of disability as her brother. I don't know if could do this. Not that he'd care if someone left him out of a club. He doesn't. As long as people are civil to him he is happy. He doesn't seem to notice if other people are leaving him out or talking behind his back but he gets very upset if he notices someone being a bully. He doesn't put up with that at all. Too bad he's not on that school bus. He'd have stopped the other kids before the dad even knew about the bullying. Of course he'd probably have been suspended. It's one reason he doesn't ride a regular bus. So much potential for confusion and upset and aggression!

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> Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.  Â

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> I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv.  The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.Â

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> And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.Â

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> And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested

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lol, I wouldn't blame Fox news for reporting the story. Other stations have picked it up since.

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( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screami

ng.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't

believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna

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predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

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I like Fox News very much. They were reporting the same way all the news outlets are now reporting it. It's the way everyone looks at this situation unless you have a child who has been a victim of teasing. They don't get it. Now I saw a clip online from ABC (? I think?) news that interviewed the dad and he apologized for behaving like a bully and will do community service. Ack! I really just want someone to focus on the actual problem and not the father reaction to it! But just like I predicted, father will be punished, do some community service. And nothing more will come from it.

Roxanna

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predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did

any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus

load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter

again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were

bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling

her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids

and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch

the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This

man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the

father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for

help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help

the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just

screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless

things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for

having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so

do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more

self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We

could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively

ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And

really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased

and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents

SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There

is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were

obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert"

should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get

their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The

father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The

expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right

way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who

has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another

parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond

that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss

it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped.

This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up

the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little

darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do

this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who

cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an

angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were

"traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL.

These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they

got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube,

frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand

"cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

"Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean

kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no

adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with

mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent

yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the

bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the

constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip

out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv?

(Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or

something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

"expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father

in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told,

"We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and

wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like

that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I

just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get

it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good

attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity

his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up

today!

Roxanna

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking

care of them." - Jefferson

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