RE: wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

[Guest guest]

No, she was not the expert on the show.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

* ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

> > show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load

> > of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again.

> > His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her -

> > putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names.

> > so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to

> > knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father

> > screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs

> > a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is

> > being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The

> > school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the

> > situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there

> > ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.

> >

> > I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

> > discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the

> > tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He

> > said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability.

> > (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to

> > teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self

> > esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those

> > kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!"

> > morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing

> > she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn

> > self-reliance.

> >

> > And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and

> > which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in

> > the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop

> > the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten

> > a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

> >

> > And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father

> > should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert

> > admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh

> > please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered

> > in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not

> > nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have

> > hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids

> > off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be

> > doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these

> > parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's

> > themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be

> > talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for

> > suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested

> > that.

> >

> > Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were

> > "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not

> > traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent

> > screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not

> > stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the

> > height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

> > thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

> > "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I

> > think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem

> > or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more

> > traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is

> > traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

> >

> > Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he

> > alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus.

> > Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily

> > torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over

> > it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first

> > sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

> >

> > I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

> > "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this

> > situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he

> > was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go,

> > but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder

> > who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted

> > to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to

> > send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good

> > atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway,

> > I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way

> > to wake up today!

> >

> >

> >

> > Roxanna

> > *"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

> > government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of

> > taking care of them." - Jefferson*

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He he. I like FN......he he. I agree with all that is being said here, though.

I first heard the story on MSNBC that same morning. I think they've all been covering that poor dad - who has now been showing up and saying that he was sorry that he reacted that way. That makes me so sad and mad.

I want to ask, "Hey - what the hell is happening to the darned kids who did all the horrible stuff to begin with?"

Sigh......

Robin

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree, there will be an answer, let it be. For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see, there will be an answer. let it be.

From: Barbara Pinckney <b-pinckney@...>Subject: RE: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. BernardAspergers Treatment Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 3:28 PM

Ugh. this makes me mad. One more reason not to watch Fox News.

From: MadIdeas@...Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:23:10 -0400Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as

the father is screaming. I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did.

But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be

doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God

someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad

for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

[Guest guest]

Yay to Roxanna for sending Fox an email. 

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of and/or Robin

Lemke

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:41 PM

Subject: RE: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

He he. I like FN......he he. I agree with all

that is being said here, though.

I first heard the story on MSNBC that same morning.

I think they've all been covering that poor dad - who has now been showing up

and saying that he was sorry that he reacted that way.

That makes me so sad and mad.

I want to ask, " Hey - what the hell is happening to

the darned kids who did all the horrible stuff to begin with? "

Sigh......

Robin

And when the broken hearted people

living in the world agree,

there will be an answer, let it be.

For though they may be parted there is still a chance that they will see,

there will be an answer. let it be.

From: Barbara Pinckney <b-pinckney@...>

Subject: RE: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Aspergers Treatment

Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 3:28 PM

Ugh. this makes me mad. One

more reason not to watch Fox News.

From: MadIdeas@...

Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:23:10 -0400

Subject: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did

any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk

show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus

load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter

again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were

bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking,

calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at

the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam

can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids

bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those

video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone

to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking

adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the

bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is

screaming.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting

discussion. They had an " expert " on there, E.C., and I just

screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless

things they all say. He said, " The father feels guilty " for

having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so

do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be

more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming,

" We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so

effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus! "

morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day,

knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a

lesson to learn self-reliance.

And of course, " Contact the school " for help. Which parents

SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing.

There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school

staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The

" expert " should have said " contact the school and threaten a

lawsuit " to get their attention. Only then will they take it

seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, " The

father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying. "

The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the

right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a

parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to

another parent, " That's not nice. " The situation is so beyond

that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to

discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they

stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You

are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will

defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves.

You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to

reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion

little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the " poor kids " on the bus who were

" traumatized " by the parent screaming at them. I LOL.

These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they

got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on

you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand

" cause/effect " relationships. It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I

thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking,

" Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean

kids! " I think it is more " taxing " on the kids to have

no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus

with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a

parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so

disgusted.

Then the " expert " said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and

he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the

bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the

constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad

flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the

tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental

illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this

" expert " about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the

father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being

told, " We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window

and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like

that. " (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol)

I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get

it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good

attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity

his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an

email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up

today!

Roxanna

" I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking

care of them. " - Jefferson

[Guest guest]

There is this set of rules for dealing with conflicts and difficult people.

It's called Dear Man and it seems to show up on sites for Bipolar disorder but

it's really a great thing for everyone to know and use. I'll look for a link.

The best thing about these rules is that if you follow them nobody will look at

your behavior and everyone will have to remain focused on what other people did.

It's hard to get into the habit of these rules but once you're practicing it, it

works so well it becomes very rewarding. Some people are actually using these

rules with asperger kids. I have worked with on them a little bit. When

he's upset with someone he gets focused on revenge and justice. What he needs

to focus on is his response. It is necessary to respond assertively without

adding any confusing extra stuff in the mix. If hits someone then

everyone's attention is split between two things. Usually the last person to do

something gets the most attention or the kid with an IEP gets the most

attention. This means that the real problem that wants resolved gets a bit

lost.

http://www.learningconnections.org/going_home/docs/dear_man_0908.pdf

Check it out and let me know what you think.

Miriam

>

> He he.  I like FN......he he.  I agree with all that is being said here,

though.

> I first heard the story on MSNBC that same morning.

> I think they've all been covering that poor dad - who has now been showing up

and saying that he was sorry that he reacted that way.

> That makes me so sad and mad.

> I want to ask, " Hey - what the hell is happening to the darned kids who did

all the horrible stuff to begin with? "

>  

> Sigh......

[Guest guest]

grrr, yes, I've known girls like that. It always seems to be the girls, doesn't it? From: MadIdeas@...Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:19:58 -0400Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Some kids are just good at B.S.-ing their way through it, too. I know we have/had a neighbor girl who was like that. To adults, parents, etc., she was the most wonderful girl. She was thoughtful, kind, sweet...etc. But behind the scenes, she was bossy, nasty and mean. I don't even know if her own parents realized how awful she was. My kids were always at the receiving end of her, so we learned early on she was not so sweet as she pretended. She was an only child too so no siblings to knock it out of her, lol. I was so glad when my dd stopped playing with her.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

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>

> Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her -

putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screaming.  Â

>

> I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv.  The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say.Â

He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.Â

>

> And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to

get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.Â

>

> And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if

you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested

> that.Â

>

> Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on

a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

>

> Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.Â

>

> I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his

head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

>

> Â

>

>

> Roxanna

> "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

>

[Guest guest]

what can I say, I guess my anti-Fox bias is showing! I wasn't blaming them so much for reporting it, but for their slant on it From: MadIdeas@...Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:37:29 -0400Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

lol, I wouldn't blame Fox news for reporting the story. Other stations have picked it up since.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screami

ng.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't

believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

[Guest guest]

You have anti Fox Bias, I have Anti News Bias.

The news never gets one thing right, even the weather. So I took off the cable and I just get basic cable that is still bad. I do not allow anybody in the house to watch television and I do not buy the newspaper. I get my news from the internet, so I can hear different opinion and make my own decisions...

The news is depressing and all of them are very opinionated, so they really can influence the people and really can hurt the stock market, making economic bubble (bubble is when people make economic decision influenced by political perception).

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screami ng. I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today! Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

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That is why I mostly watch ESPN! It never depresses me and my husband listens to

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daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting

condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names.  so the dad

got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off

or else.  Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming.  I wonder if

the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get

his hands on those video's.  Now the father is being prosecuted.  He had

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feels guilty " for having a child with a disability.  (That's why he

snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids

(the bullied) to be more self-reliant.  (Improve their self esteem...I was

screaming, " We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so

effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus! "  morons!)  And really,

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please!  What a disaster!  Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in

condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, " That's not nice. "

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these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus

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at them?  They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly.  They are not stupid -

they can understand " cause/effect " relationships.  It was just the height of

nonsense to hear them discuss this angle.  I was disgusted.  I thought about

being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, " Thank God

someone is finally doing something with these mean kids! "  I think it is more

" taxing " on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just

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they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't

have him screaming on the bus like that. "  (Made me wonder who had the learning

disability, lol)  I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these

people who don't get it.  I wish I was really rich to send this man money to

hire a good attorney.  Ugh.  I hope he gets a good atty just from the

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perhaps this is not a good time to mention that I'm a reporter....Its Ok, I understand completely. I write for a regional business newspaper From: tfitzge134@...Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:14:02 +0000Subject: Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

You have anti Fox Bias, I have Anti News Bias.

The news never gets one thing right, even the weather. So I took off the cable and I just get basic cable that is still bad. I do not allow anybody in the house to watch television and I do not buy the newspaper. I get my news from the internet, so I can hear different opinion and make my own decisions...

The news is depressing and all of them are very opinionated, so they really can influence the people and really can hurt the stock market, making economic bubble (bubble is when people make economic decision influenced by political perception).

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screami ng. I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance. And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously. And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't believe he suggested that. Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol. I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today! Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

[Guest guest]

I would wither in your house. lol. I am a news junkie. I don't think you get away from the slant by reading news online. Seems to me you get a slant there too, depending on where you look. I read a fair amount of it online as well. But I like watching news, especially to wake up to it. Although news could be better of late.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

You have anti Fox Bias, I have Anti News Bias.

The news never gets one thing right, even the weather. So I took off the cable and I just get basic cable that is still bad. I do not allow anybody in the house to watch television and I do not buy the newspaper. I get my news from the internet, so I can hear different opinion and make my own decisions...

The news is depressing and all of them are very opinionated, so they really can influence the people and really can hurt the stock market, making economic bubble (bubble is when people make economic decision influenced by political perception).

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the

father screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screami

ng.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming

, "We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to appr

oach this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't

believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming a

t them. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh y

es, that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a good atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of

taking care of them." - Jefferson

[Guest guest]

lol, oops...next subject! lol...

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

Re: ( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

You have anti Fox Bias, I have Anti News Bias.

The news never gets one thing right, even the weather. So I took off the cable and I just get basic cable that is still bad. I do not allow anybody in the house to watch television and I do not buy the newspaper. I get my news from the internet, so I can hear different opinion and make my own decisions...

The news is depressing and all of them are very opinionated, so they really can influence the people and really can hurt the stock market, making economic bubble (bubble is when people make economic decision influenced by political perception).

( ) wake up to bullying/E.C. Bernard

Did any of you see Fox and Friends this morning? It's a morning news talk show on Fox News. They had a news story of a father screaming at a bus load of kids and threatening them with death if they touched his daughter again. His daughter has CP and apparently, the kids on the bus were bullying her - putting condoms on her head, pulling body parts, poking, calling her names. so the dad got on the bus and started screaming at the kids and told them to knock it off or else. Apparently, the bus cam can catch the fa

ther screaming. I wonder if the camera caught the kids bullying? This man needs a good sped lawyer to get his hands on those video's. Now the father is being prosecuted. He had already gone to the school, asking for help. The school put two non-English speaking adults on the bus to help the situation...which did nothing. Even the bus driver is sitting there ignoring the situation as the father is screami

ng.

I was just so upset after seeing this news clip and the resulting discussion. They had an "expert" on there, E.C., and I just screamed at the tv. The guy said all the same trite and useless things they all say. He said, "The father feels guilty" for having a child with a disability. (That's why he snapped...ugh, they so do not get it!!) and said we have to teach these kids (the bullied) to be more self-reliant. (Improve their self esteem...I was screaming, "

We could improve her self-esteem better if those kids were not so effectively ripping it to shreds every day on the bus!" morons!) And really, this girl bravely got on the bus every day, knowing she would be teased and bullied. I don't think she needs a lesson to learn self-reliance.

And of course, "Contact the school" for help. Which parents SHOULD DO, and which he did. But which accomplished nothing. There is only one E.C. in the world! <g> But the school staff were obviously doing nothing to stop the problem. The "expert" should have said "contact the school and threaten a lawsuit" to get their attention. Only then will they take it seriously.

And finally, the expert came up with the biggest waste of time, "The father should talk to the parents of the kids who are bullying." The expert admonished that the parent has to approac

h this situation the right way. Oh please! What a disaster! Can you imagine a parent who has a child covered in condoms on a daily basis trying to say to another parent, "That's not nice." The situation is so beyond that. And the school staff should have hauled these parents in to discuss it long ago and then kicked these kids off the bus until they stopped. This is not something the parent should be doing. You are just setting up the same situation. Many times, these parents will defend their little darling to the death and are bully's themselves. You should not do this! You have no idea if you will be talking to reasonable parent who cares or one who is going to slug you for suggestion little ny is not an angel. I couldn't

believe he suggested that.

Then there was discussion about the "poor kids" on the bus who were "traumatized" by the parent screaming at t

hem. I LOL. These kids were not traumatized and frankly, they deserved more than they got! A parent screaming at them? They see more trauma on you-tube, frankly. They are not stupid - they can understand "cause/effect" relationships. It was just the height of nonsense to hear them discuss this angle. I was disgusted. I thought about being on that bus as a student and I would have been thinking, "Thank God someone is finally doing something with these mean kids!" I think it is more "taxing" on the kids to have no adult solving the problem or in charge - to just be lost at sea on a bus with mob rule. What is more traumatizing than that? Seeing a parent yelling to leave his kid alone is traumatizing? I was so disgusted.

Then the "expert" said that the girl is on suicide watch now - and he alluded that this is because the father screamed at the bully's on the bus. Oh yes,

that is what sent her over the edge. It wasn't the constant daily torture that she dealt with and then finally having her dad flip out over it. AUGH! Can you tell I was yelling at the tv? (Maybe that's the first sign of senility or old age or mental illness or something? Yikes!) lol.

I realized after reading your book, E.C., that I knew more than this "expert" about bullying. And I just felt so bad for the father in this situation. I remember standing in an office once being told, "We realize he was upset when they pushed his head into the window and wouldn't let him go, but we just can't have him screaming on the bus like that." (Made me wonder who had the learning disability, lol) I just relived that moment and wanted to scream at these people who don't get it. I wish I was really rich to send this man money to hire a good attorney. Ugh. I hope he gets a goo

d atty just from the publicity his case is getting. He deserves it. Anyway, I got up and sent an email to the show and let off steam. lol. what a way to wake up today!

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the

government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of

taking care of them." - Jefferson