Guest guest Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 I am in the middle of "the fight" with our school district saying they don't see it. From what I hear, and everybody tells me this, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". I am not going away, and will not quit. My daughter is struggling academically, and after seeing how she reacted after just a week of preschool I know deep down in my heart that she will fail kindergarten if not prepared properly. We go over counting and alphabet nearly every day at home and she still does not get them at a mth shy of 4 yrs old. I am going to keep fighting for my daughter's sake and pray that they will eventually help us, even if it is because I come up with so much paperwork and legal aid that they cannot deny her the services.... Carolyn From: Pamela <susanonderko@...> Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 12:19:40 PMSubject: ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility Only the "professionals" can diagnosis ASD really. We had ourpsychiatrist, neurologist and neuropsychologist all write evalations and they were included in the IEP. The schoolcan dispute the evaluations and propose school paid evals butI doubt any school district would pay this added cost.Get "professionals" that agree to write something down forthe record. Regardless of the classification doctors recommendations are noted and hardly can a teacher sayshe disputes a doctor, they may not see the problemand many do not understand HFA and AS. That is OK.Even with an expert in at an IEP meeting the schooldragged their feet on each service provided. Each servicewe had to make a case for. Knowing this may help youcope with the struggle and not feel so hopeless. It is a process. There are some schools that are very proactiveand some kids that have such obvious issues the schoolscould hardly deny them services, but for many the kids can pass as typical and the schools let the servicesslide perhaps wanting to reserve budget for the impaired(at least we hope there is good intention). Pam > >> > What is your child's IEP eligibility? My son was diagnosed with SPD and ADHD around age 3 and his original IEP eligibility was developmental delay. His IEP was re-evaluated at the end of last school year just before he turned 6. During the re-evaluation period he was officially diagnosed with Aspergers. Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is an eligibility classification on the IEP, but my son's eligibility is Other Health Impaired.> > > > We're currently in disagreement with the school about the level of service that my son needs (they say he's fine for regular ed with "support", we say majority of the day self-contained, especially because they haven't provided any real "support" all school year). Should we be disputing the eligibility classification as well? Will the ASD classification provide us with any advantage for my son?> > > > Thanks!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 I hate to be negative but I totally agree with ! ne > From: bucaroobonzai2003 <bucaroobonzai2003@...> > Subject: ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility > > Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 12:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > The effectiveness of the squeaky wheel approach > depends largely upon your locality. I'd read up on the > law. slaw.com is a good place to start. Get an > advocate who knows what they are doing, and request in > writing that the school provide IEE for every > test/evaluation you can think of. Then pay for your own > private evaluation if you haven't already done so. If > your district has a crap reputation with kids like your son > and there is another one nearby with a good reputation, > consider moving. In the long run, it will pay off. > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is your child's IEP eligibility? My > son was diagnosed with SPD and ADHD > > > >around age 3 and his original IEP eligibility was > developmental delay. His IEP > > > >was re-evaluated at the end of last school year > just before he turned 6. During > > > >the re-evaluation period he was officially > diagnosed with Aspergers. Autism > > > >Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is an eligibility > classification on the IEP, but my > > > >son's eligibility is Other Health Impaired. > > > > > > > > > > We're currently in disagreement with the > school about the level of service > > > >that my son needs (they say he's fine for > regular ed with " support " , we say > > > >majority of the day self-contained, especially > because they haven't provided any > > > >real " support " all school year). Should > we be disputing the eligibility > > > >classification as well? Will the ASD > classification provide us with any > > > >advantage for my son? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 I wouldn't share your medical information with the school at all. Most doc's should be able to write up a separate statement for the school. Ask for one! Roxanna "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility >We had our > psychiatrist, neurologist and neuropsychologist all write > evalations and they were included in the IEP. The only thing I caution anyone about including doctor's evals in the school records is this: Often dr's will include a description of home/family life in their diagnoses (I think support system or familial issues is one of the five axes in diagnosis, can't remember which one). Sometimes, especially if the child is having huge aggressive or destructive meltdowns at home, the school will look at it as "bad parenting." Hopefully not, but I've had my share of "you should take a parenting class - here's what we have to help you with your parenting skills." Tired of that. I can tell you that I know a whole lot more about my children's disorders (Asperger's and Bipolar) than any teacher, special ed or not, and have read every piece of parenting book I could get my hands on. Sorry about the soap box. Just wanted to mention it. Getting back to my point; just make sure you read the dr's report in it's entirety before giving it to the school. Make sure you want every part of the report in his special ed. eval or IEP before giving it to the school. Leah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 The autism classification will not open any doors to services that are not otherwise there. Services have to be based on need and not classification. That is part of the law. The school cannot say, "Well, he doesn't have the classification for autism so he can't have that service." No matter what classification, you base the IEP on needs. You do not need professional recommendations to get an IEP written. The IEP team should do a complete evaluation and within that, the areas of need should be obvious. If there is a problem with that, a disagreement or if you prefer your own private eval, of course you can get one and add to what the team is bringing in to the discussion. Goals and services are written from the "present levels" (we used to call them PLOPs) and not from a doc's list of what he/she wants. Roxanna "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility , The ASD would most likely fall into the IEP classification of autism. Please be aware that if your IEP classification is "other health impaired", the District is only acknowledging the ADHD. As such, they are disputing, in action, that your child has ASD. If they agreed with the ASD, then you would have a classification of multiply disabled. So your instinct to pursue incorporating the ASD into the IEP is correct. Autism opens up doors for services that would not normally be there otherwise. Understand though that most districts will fight you on this because it will require them to step up. This is especially true if your child is high functioning. I don't remember how many times, I have heard, "We don't see it." Now, if you win this battle with the classification, you have to be prepared to have recommendations that are proffered by professionals to give to the school district. You need to have documented reports that state exactly what your child needs. Also, those reports need to describe how your child will be affected if he does not receive the services. Please keep the group posted and we will help all that we can. Regards, > > What is your child's IEP eligibility? My son was diagnosed with SPD and ADHD around age 3 and his original IEP eligibility was developmental delay. His IEP was re-evaluated at the end of last school year just before he turned 6. During the re-evaluation period he was officially diagnosed with Aspergers. Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is an eligibility classification on the IEP, but my son's eligibility is Other Health Impaired. > > We're currently in disagreement with the school about the level of service that my son needs (they say he's fine for regular ed with "support", we say majority of the day self-contained, especially because they haven't provided any real "support" all school year). Should we be disputing the eligibility classification as well? Will the ASD classification provide us with any advantage for my son? > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 Roxanna, it would be awesome if the schools were more focused on helping the kids rather than "weeding the high functioning ones out". You would think that they would listen to the parents who have concerns instead of arguing, fussing and fighting with us. Unfortunately I just received the paperwork for my daughters FIE, and they are going to deny my daughter's admission into preschool and special ed program. They have already gone and tried to blame any and all issues that we bring up on either a possibility of being normal behavior or not being in a preschool program currently. I have grave concerns of how things will go for her if they are unwilling to help her, but they refuse to help her. So, I will be seeing a neurologist for multiple different reasons, 1. to rule out seizures (her dad has them as well) and 2. to hopefully get a diagnosis of AS or something. While there are some districts out there trying to do what is right for the kids, I also see that there are many that are trying to get by by doing as little as they possibly can, and this breaks my heart for the kids that really do need the help ...... Carolyn From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 8:58:18 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility The autism classification will not open any doors to services that are not otherwise there. Services have to be based on need and not classification. That is part of the law. The school cannot say, "Well, he doesn't have the classification for autism so he can't have that service." No matter what classification, you base the IEP on needs. You do not need professional recommendations to get an IEP written. The IEP team should do a complete evaluation and within that, the areas of need should be obvious. If there is a problem with that, a disagreement or if you prefer your own private eval, of course you can get one and add to what the team is bringing in to the discussion. Goals and services are written from the "present levels" (we used to call them PLOPs) and not from a doc's list of what he/she wants. Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility ,The ASD would most likely fall into the IEP classification of autism. Please be aware that if your IEP classification is "other health impaired", the District is only acknowledging the ADHD. As such, they are disputing, in action, that your child has ASD. If they agreed with the ASD, then you would have a classification of multiply disabled.So your instinct to pursue incorporating the ASD into the IEP is correct. Autism opens up doors for services that would not normally be there otherwise.Understand though that most districts will fight you on this because it will require them to step up. This is especially true if your child is high functioning. I don't remember how many times, I have heard, "We don't see it."Now, if you win this battle with the classification, you have to be prepared to have recommendations that are proffered by professionals to give to the school district. You need to have documented reports that state exactly what your child needs. Also, those reports need to describe how your child will be affected if he does not receive the services.Please keep the group posted and we will help all that we can.Regards,>> What is your child's IEP eligibility? My son was diagnosed with SPD and ADHD around age 3 and his original IEP eligibility was developmental delay. His IEP was re-evaluated at the end of last school year just before he turned 6. During the re-evaluation period he was officially diagnosed with Aspergers. Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is an eligibility classification on the IEP, but my son's eligibility is Other Health Impaired.> > We're currently in disagreement with the school about the level of service that my son needs (they say he's fine for regular ed with "support", we say majority of the day self-contained, especially because they haven't provided any real "support" all school year). Should we be disputing the eligibility classification as well? Will the ASD classification provide us with any advantage for my son?> > Thanks!> Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 I agree! In a better world, they would do their jobs and help the kids who need help. But the system is not set up that way. And you are right, it varies from school to school as well. I spent a lot of "quality" time in meetings with people who were not there for the benefit of the child. Do what you can to document and back up your requests with documentation. It is not a perfect solution but it can really help cut through half the BS. Roxanna "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility , The ASD would most likely fall into the IEP classification of autism. Please be aware that if your IEP classification is "other health impaired", the District is only acknowledging the ADHD. As such, they are disputing, in action, that your child has ASD. If they agreed with the ASD, then you would have a classification of multiply disabled. So your instinct to pursue incorporating the ASD into the IEP is correct. Autism opens up doors for services that would not normally be there otherwise. Understand though that most districts will fight you on this because it will require them to step up. This is especially true if your child is high functioning. I don't remember how many times, I have heard, "We don't see it." Now, if you win this battle with the classification, you have to be prepared to have recommendations that are proffered by professionals to give to the school district. You need to have documented reports that state exactly what your child needs. Also, those reports need to describe how your child will be affected if he does not receive the services. Please keep the group posted and we will help all that we can. Regards, > > What is your child's IEP eligibility? My son was diagnosed with SPD and ADHD around age 3 and his original IEP eligibility was developmental delay. His IEP was re-evaluated at the end of last school year just before he turned 6. During the re-evaluation period he was officially diagnosed with Aspergers. Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is an eligibility classification on the IEP, but my son's eligibility is Other Health Impaired. > > We're currently in disagreement with the school about the level of service that my son needs (they say he's fine for regular ed with "support", we say majority of the day self-contained, especially because they haven't provided any real "support" all school year). Should we be disputing the eligibility classification as well? Will the ASD classification provide us with any advantage for my son? > > Thanks! > Ro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2010 Report Share Posted December 27, 2010 My son was dx by a licensed psychiatrist at the agency we were using from the PA 501 program (wrap around services). All I had to do was show the school the dx...I gave them a copy of the last sheet of the evaluation which was on letterhead and gave his DX. At an IEP meeting the school psychologist suggested we list his Asperger's first...just for the reason we had to have a manifestation meeting. I agreed as it was for his protection. I don't understand why the schools are giving you such a hard time???? Jan "In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein Success is not measured by one's position but by the obstacles one has overcome to obtain that position From: <craftmasterk@...> Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 3:47:31 PMSubject: ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility , We are trying to get my 11 y/o son's dx of AS added to his IEP as well, and he is only listed as OHI at this time. The main reason I want it listed is for any future maifestation determinations, and also so the teachers will all be aware that he has more than ADHD. Good luck to you.> >> > What is your child's IEP eligibility? My son was diagnosed with SPD and ADHD around age 3 and his original IEP eligibility was developmental delay. His IEP was re-evaluated at the end of last school year just before he turned 6. During the re-evaluation period he was officially diagnosed with Aspergers. Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is an eligibility classification on the IEP, but my son's eligibility is Other Health Impaired.> > > > We're currently in disagreement with the school about the level of service that my son needs (they say he's fine for regular ed with "support", we say majority of the day self-contained, especially because they haven't provided any real "support" all school year). Should we be disputing the eligibility classification as well? Will the ASD classification provide us with any advantage for my son?> > > > Thanks!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2010 Report Share Posted December 29, 2010 ,Just have his dx added to the IEP upon request they cannot deny you! I put all my daughters dx on her IEP. I even have one with health issues that they place as Other. Elinor From: <craftmasterk@...> Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 2:47:31 PMSubject: ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility , We are trying to get my 11 y/o son's dx of AS added to his IEP as well, and he is only listed as OHI at this time. The main reason I want it listed is for any future maifestation determinations, and also so the teachers will all be aware that he has more than ADHD. Good luck to you. > > > > What is your child's IEP eligibility? My son was diagnosed with SPD and ADHD around age 3 and his original IEP eligibility was developmental delay. His IEP was re-evaluated at the end of last school year just before he turned 6. During the re-evaluation period he was officially diagnosed with Aspergers. Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is an eligibility classification on the IEP, but my son's eligibility is Other Health Impaired. > > > > We're currently in disagreement with the school about the level of service that my son needs (they say he's fine for regular ed with "support", we say majority of the day self-contained, especially because they haven't provided any real "support" all school year). Should we be disputing the eligibility classification as well? Will the ASD classification provide us with any advantage for my son? > > > > Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Also remember to put any information like this in the present levels as well. Roxanna "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson ( ) Re: IEP Eligibility , We are trying to get my 11 y/o son's dx of AS added to his IEP as well, and he is only listed as OHI at this time. The main reason I want it listed is for any future maifestation determinations, and also so the teachers will all be aware that he has more than ADHD. Good luck to you. > > > > What is your child's IEP eligibility? My son was diagnosed with SPD and ADHD around age 3 and his original IEP eligibility was developmental delay. His IEP was re-evaluated at the end of last school year just before he turned 6. During the re-evaluation period he was officially diagnosed with Aspergers. Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is an eligibility classification on the IEP, but my son's eligibility is Other Health Impaired. > > > > We're currently in disagreement with the school about the level of service that my son needs (they say he's fine for regular ed with "support", we say majority of the day self-contained, especially because they haven't provided any real "support" all school year). Should we be disputing the eligibility classification as well? Will the ASD classification provide us with any advantage for my son? > > > > Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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