Re: Parenthood

March 5, 2010

Robin...double Bingo! I can relate to so much of your post, especially talking about all of the amazing things my son did when he was younger and then justifying the odd things or blaming others for not accepting. Can you say "denial?" I almost felt like I was giving up or looking down to my son if I admitted the problems for what they were. Later on, I realized that by accepting it and moving forward to the point of getting help, just made our whole family stronger, not weaker.

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 8:28:38 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

Wow, Rose. That last part you wrote - Bingo!

I didn't have a single "moment", but I can look back now and see sooo many instances. Almost like pages in a book. Ian's signs just built up over the years. (He's 13 now, dx'd at 7). We didn't deny any dx's....because there weren't any. But,,,,,,we walked on eggshells, in a way. Piti-patted around our lives and made excuses and man,,,,,it was such a rocky time. I remember that we were always talking to ourselves (my hubby and I) about the amazing things Ian did, and with the "odder" things, we just kind of justified why he did them and at times, blamed family members for their inability to accept differences. Yikes, we were a mess.

Anyway, I'm amazed at how many times I've looked at my son over the years and cried as if seeing him do these "warning signs" for the first time! Ugh.

It actually happened the other day. He is back in school after 2 years at home with a virtual school. Even made honor roll. He smiles and is actually liking being there,,,,,,, he's been through a major-bad time of OCD, meds change, just some bad times. Emotionally, he's good now......and I couldn't be happier for him.

But, at his conference his teachers were giving me his grades and then when we hit the social part, I felt like my breath was taken away. Hearing, again, that he did things with no regard for groups and always chose to do things alone......that he didn't like to back down when he thought he could do his math a "better" way,,,,,,,got really riled up and excited when they did "verbal" re-enactments in social studies. It just made me see that things ARE wrong with him........still. ......and that we gotta keep working on it.

Now,,,,,,I sure would never say it to him like that,,,,but he knows what he's "got" and that because of "that", he's gonna have to work at many things for the rest of his life.

Don't know where I was going with this......sorry. I ramble. But, I agree with you........and I guess, bottom line, I wasn't offended with the guy saying that something was wrong with his son.....I felt his sadness..... ......and I still do from time to time.

It really is simple. Just treat others kindly and with respect.

Robin

From: Rose <beachbodytan2002>Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 4:59 AM

Roxanna,

That is so hard speaking with people that are in denial with their children's differences. (I'm saying this from an experience with people I know) Some people have so many crutches for their children's differences to cover it up that I am amazed how good the parents get at it. I wonder what will happen - to the parents - when they run out of those crutches. the child too... but these are such well educated people that I wonder if they know - but are trying to hide their child's difference from others. but why? Some of these parents work harder to hide their child's disability than I work on helping mine and getting my child the supports he needs. these are the parents the become defensive and loud if you even give a hint of a concern about their child. some even become aggressive.. ..so you leave it alone and they believe they proved a point. that nothing is wrong with

their child - it's you!

anyway - I remember when my son was 5 months old. I remember it like it was today.....he is now 12. I sat him on the floor with one of those U-shaped nursing pillows for support to help him stay sitting up. He was watching TV. I was sitting behind him in a chair watching him watch TV when I saw him raise both arms, elbows bent, and he started flapping his hands. OMG! I thought - something is wrong!

I also agree, I think lots of parents had that moment when they saw something and said - somethings wrong...when trying to sort it all out...and watching for more signs.

Rose

From: Roxanna <MadIdeasaol (DOT) com> Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 10:04:46 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If NT's learned differently in your scenario, then yes, they would need sped services. Having a LD means there is something going wrong in one or more of the typical processes of learning. You don't get sped because you are a bit quirky or you "think differently. " As for "fix", I did not say "fix" in my post. I would not advocate for anyone by saying "they need to be fixed." I am not sure where you connected my post to that. As for who will hire people who need to be "fixed" (your choice of term), this is why there are job coordinators who may or may not do a good job at finding employment for people with disabilities. Look around you - people with disabilities work in a variety of jobs and within all communities according to their abilities and the job market. I do believe I can advocate for my kids (hfa) without trying to pretend

that they don't have a disability that affects their ability to learn and socialize. I find it better to accept the differences and work with them, not against them. You can't have it both ways where you get special help but it's not because you have a problem.

Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Parenthood> > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.> > Thoughts?> > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.>

March 5, 2010

Again, Aspergers is a neurological disorder, not a mental health issue. But even when you're talking about mental health issues, having one means something is WRONG with the person. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have compassion and try to be a part of the solution, but you don't get a diagnosis when everything is RIGHT. You act like anyone admitting something is wrong would just use that one word in a vaccuum or something.

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: Geo Dude <geo.dude@...> ; Roxanna <MadIdeas@...>Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 6:08:59 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

There is no shame in recognizing any mental health issue and seeking help for that issue. there is shame in how we fling certain words around with disregard for for the human being we are speaking about. for example, if you tell a neighborhood friend that there is something "wrong" with your child and they in turn tell their NT children those same words, you've just created a another hellish obstacle for your child in forming relationships. to me, "wrong with" implies no hope of change and is stigmatizing. and it is obvious to me that there is a huge difference between choosing the word "retard" and choosing "retarded" to describe someone. the second can be appropriate. the first is abusive. to me choosing non-abusive words is not about being PC. geo - ( ) Parenthood>> >So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit

heartbreaking for me to watch.>>Thoughts?>>>>___________ _________ _________ ___Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.

March 5, 2010

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 8:47:30 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

I saw someone once write, "They all can't be Temple's" lol. I so got that at the time.

Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Parenthood> >> >> >> >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit> > heartbreaking for me to watch.> >> > Thoughts?> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hotmail: Free,

trusted and rich email service. Get it now.> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.> > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 201469230/ direct/01/> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> > -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,> and > > Girl Scout cookies are coming!>

March 5, 2010

Amen, woman!! Yep - total denial born out of love. Sigh.................................

It really is simple. Just treat others kindly and with respect.

Robin

From: Rose <beachbodytan2002>Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 4:59 AM

Roxanna,

That is so hard speaking with people that are in denial with their children's differences. (I'm saying this from an experience with people I know) Some people have so many crutches for their children's differences to cover it up that I am amazed how good the parents get at it. I wonder what will happen - to the parents - when they run out of those crutches. the child too... but these are such well educated people that I wonder if they know - but are trying to hide their child's difference from others. but why? Some of these parents work harder to hide their child's disability than I work on helping mine and getting my child the supports he needs. these are the parents the become defensive and loud if you even give a hint of a concern about their child. some even become aggressive.. ..so you leave it alone and they believe they proved a point. that nothing is wrong with

their child - it's you!

anyway - I remember when my son was 5 months old. I remember it like it was today.....he is now 12. I sat him on the floor with one of those U-shaped nursing pillows for support to help him stay sitting up. He was watching TV. I was sitting behind him in a chair watching him watch TV when I saw him raise both arms, elbows bent, and he started flapping his hands. OMG! I thought - something is wrong!

I also agree, I think lots of parents had that moment when they saw something and said - somethings wrong...when trying to sort it all out...and watching for more signs.

Rose

From: Roxanna <MadIdeasaol (DOT) com> Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 10:04:46 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If NT's learned differently in your scenario, then yes, they would need sped services. Having a LD means there is something going wrong in one or more of the typical processes of learning. You don't get sped because you are a bit quirky or you "think differently. " As for "fix", I did not say "fix" in my post. I would not advocate for anyone by saying "they need to be fixed." I am not sure where you connected my post to that. As for who will hire people who need to be "fixed" (your choice of term), this is why there are job coordinators who may or may not do a good job at finding employment for people with disabilities. Look around you - people with disabilities work in a variety of jobs and within all communities according to their abilities and the job market. I do believe I can advocate for my kids (hfa) without trying to pretend

that they don't have a disability that affects their ability to learn and socialize. I find it better to accept the differences and work with them, not against them. You can't have it both ways where you get special help but it's not because you have a problem.

Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Parenthood> > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.> > Thoughts?> > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.>

March 5, 2010

Yeah, there is potentially a very involved storyline with the boy and they

pretty much skipped over all of the tough stuff that creates problems for

families...parenting stuff.

Regarding the big discussion, where ever you stand on it being a disorder or a

difference, the fact of the matter is that the initial response by parents is

almost always going to be: " there is something wrong with my child " .

-

>

> I should not reply because I did not watch the show. But it might have been

really interesting to have a season or two where the child struggled with

problems and they had to deal with those without knowing what to do. Then they

could finally find the dx and you would understand their relief at finding

answers. Shoot! If only we could write the show! lol.

>

> Roxanna

>

> " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do

nothing. " E. Burke

>

> Re: ( ) Parenthood

>

> I would have found the show more realistic if the identification stuff didn't

go so smoothly. The school notices something is wrong, talks to the parents, kid

gets properly diagnosed in a short time span, dad accepts it within a few

minutes, and even grandpa understood when dad told him something was wrong with

his grandson while the daughter sings perfectly at the school. Wish my world

worked like that. Also, it would have been nice if they didn't all look like

models.

>

> However, it was a good portrayal of a child with Asperger's, and hopefully the

show becomes a big hit because most people just have no clue about what

Asperger's is. Perhaps with enough education, people on the street wont just

assume that the problem is that the parents are soft on discipline.

>

March 5, 2010

Ummm you lose the able to preservate you lose a lot of genius.

From: funwith4@...Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:00:20 -0500Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If that's what he wanted, it wouldn't change his geniusOn 3/4/10, fnofsports <fnofsportshotmail> wrote:> Would you have "cured" Einstein? Just saying.>> >> >>> >>> > From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com>>> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood>> > Aspergers Treatment>> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the>> > language.>> > "Suffering", "somethings wrong with him", etc. I get that this is the>> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I>> > hope>> > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only>> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we>> > see on>> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > From: kelliangelini>> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000>> > Subject: ( ) Parenthood>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head>> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will>> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit>> > heartbreaking for me to watch.>> >>> > Thoughts?>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >> > __________________________________________________________>> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/>>>> -->> Sent from my mobile device>>>> -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,>> and >>>> Girl Scout cookies are coming!>>>>>-- Sent from my mobile device-mommy to Emma, Becca, , and Girl Scout cookies are coming!

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March 5, 2010

I have to agree and disagree at the same time. I wouldn't trade my little

eccentric 6 year old boy for anything in the world, and I wouldn't want to

change him in any way. I mean, he is absolutely brilliant and fun to be around!

At the same time, as a parent, it breaks my heart that we won't be able to bring

him to the three weddings we have this summer due to his social anxieties and

his inability to tolerate certain music. And that he has been unable to enjoy

things that he wants to try but simply can't tolerate. It is hard as a parent.

While I am all for keeping the Aspie traits, I am all about minimizing some of

the unfortunate symptoms. We do sensory integration therapy, listening therapy,

and are hoping to find a social skills group soon. There is nothing wrong with

being different as long as you are happy being different. My hope is that by

minimizing the symptoms that make life hard, he will grow up to be a happy, well

adjusted, different person rather than a withdrawn, depressed different person.

It sounds like you are happy and well adjusted. I hope my son ends up that

way, too.

> >

> > I hope that they do. AS is a disability. It's not like having blue eyes.

It is so hard to advocate for help for these kids when people are out there

promoting this idea that AS is just a different way of thinking. To that end, I

hope the DSM revisions clear this stuff up or lead a way towards doing that.

> >

> > Roxanna

> >

> > " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do

nothing. " E. Burke

> >

> > ( ) Parenthood

> >

> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head

realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch

and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for

me to watch.

> >

> > Thoughts?

> >

> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.

> >

>

March 5, 2010

In a message dated 3/5/2010 9:57:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, rachelfran@... writes:

I"m sure for the bulk of the public going into detail about getting a diagnosis would be boring...

I thought the show was well done, and really enjoyed it, (although I hated the movie when it first came out).

You have to understand that for us parents, whose lives have revolved around getting our children their diagnoses and subsequently trying to help them socially and academically, the devil is in the details.

This is TV we're talking about, entertainment, and the details would cause the rest of the viewers without Aspies to grab the remote and switch, for them, it would be excruciatingly boring.

I work in healthcare and believe me, it's nothing like ER or Gray's Anatomy! Real life makes terrible entertainment!

The show isn't about a kid with AS, it's about a large family and the issues they face, AS being just one of the issues the show is dealing with.

That being said, I do hope that the situation with school, the baseball team, and the extended family, is treated with compassion, and the struggles we have aren't always easily solved.

Barbara in NJ, Mom to an Aspie teen (shoot me now)

"We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school." Bruce Springsteen, No Surrender.

March 5, 2010

Your looking at " something wrong " as something a parent might say out

loud to more than their very closest confidant, or in front of the

child or a label they are putting on the child when I think the reason

so many think its ok and was portrayed well is b/c it isn't that at

all its a way of decribing that omg realisation feeling they have at

first. So its a feeling, not a label. As a feeling its going to pass

as the parents learn to cope, and any parent in their right mind isn't

going to advertise it to others as " something wrong " besides it

doesn't tell anyone anything or get their child any help so what would

be the point even if they did

On 3/5/10, bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernaker@...> wrote:

> Yeah, there is potentially a very involved storyline with the boy and they

> pretty much skipped over all of the tough stuff that creates problems for

> families...parenting stuff.

>

> Regarding the big discussion, where ever you stand on it being a disorder or

> a difference, the fact of the matter is that the initial response by parents

> is almost always going to be: " there is something wrong with my child " .

>

> -

>

>>

>> I should not reply because I did not watch the show. But it might have

>> been really interesting to have a season or two where the child struggled

>> with problems and they had to deal with those without knowing what to do.

>> Then they could finally find the dx and you would understand their relief

>> at finding answers. Shoot! If only we could write the show! lol.

>>

>> Roxanna

>>

>> " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do

>> nothing. " E. Burke

>>

>> Re: ( ) Parenthood

>>

>> I would have found the show more realistic if the identification stuff

>> didn't go so smoothly. The school notices something is wrong, talks to the

>> parents, kid gets properly diagnosed in a short time span, dad accepts it

>> within a few minutes, and even grandpa understood when dad told him

>> something was wrong with his grandson while the daughter sings perfectly

>> at the school. Wish my world worked like that. Also, it would have been

>> nice if they didn't all look like models.

>>

>> However, it was a good portrayal of a child with Asperger's, and hopefully

>> the show becomes a big hit because most people just have no clue about

>> what Asperger's is. Perhaps with enough education, people on the street

>> wont just assume that the problem is that the parents are soft on

>> discipline.

>>

>

--

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and

Girl Scout cookies are coming!

March 5, 2010

I don’t think Roxanna was being serious. From what she wrote

(and correct me if I’m wrong, Roxanna), what she meant was that Einstein, in

her opinion, didn’t HAVE anything that needed a cure, and therefore, she wouldn’t

have changed him. If he HAD, however, then of course any of us would’ve helped

if we could. But Einstein didn’t need to be “CURED”. Just as I don’t feel any

of our children, or you, , etc… need to be “CURED”. Helped along the way,

yes – but don’t we all need a little help along the way?

Again, I might be wrong… but I think that’s what Roxanna meant

(sorry if I’m way off here, Roxanna!)

=)

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of G

Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AM

Aspergers Treatment

Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

LOL you are aware that Einstein was most likely somewhere on

the spectrum (almost all evidence out there points to that conclusion) and

that if you gave him the " cure " you might kill

physics as we know them today (no autism, no preservating, no

being able to come to these amazing conclusions that changed our

world). Food for thought.

From: MadIdeas@...

Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:03:30 -0500

Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If Einstein had a problem that needed a cure, then yes, I would

definitely give him a cure if I had the means to do so.

Roxanna

" The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do

nothing. " E. Burke

( ) Parenthood

> >

> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head

> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life

will

> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit

> > heartbreaking for me to watch.

> >

> > Thoughts?

> >

> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.

> >

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March 5, 2010

I would love to get rid of my son's stims...I'm sure when people see that they

think 'there's something wrong with that child'. And the social anxiety.

Hey , did you stim as a child? Just wondering if you did, and now don't

anymore? If you don't mind answering?

TJ

> >> >

> >> > From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com>

> >> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

> >> > Aspergers Treatment

> >> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM

> >> >

> >> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the

> >> > language.

> >> > " Suffering " , " somethings wrong with him " , etc. I get that this is the

> >> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I

> >> > hope

> >> > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only

> >> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we

> >> > see on

> >> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.

> >> >

> >> > From: kelliangelini

> >> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000

> >> > Subject: ( ) Parenthood

> >> >

> >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head

> >> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will

> >> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit

> >> > heartbreaking for me to watch.

> >> >

> >> > Thoughts?

> >> >

> >> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.

> >> >

> >> > __________________________________________________________

> >> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.

> >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/

> >>

> >> --

> >> Sent from my mobile device

> >>

> >> -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,

> >> and

> >>

> >> Girl Scout cookies are coming!

> >>

> >

>

> --

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> and

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March 6, 2010

,

Cured? I agree with Roxanna - if there was a way to cure autism I would be first on that line. (if there was no side effects) isn't that what we are all trying to day anyway? when you take your child to O.T., speech, P.T. social skills, therapy, etc...aren't we trying to cure those concerns we have with our kids? We're all doing it right now. trying to cure their autism but one step at a time... now imagine if there was a cure for autism. all that would be taken care of all at the same time. the child wouldn't change - just the autism. I believe if a child was smart in lets say history - has more interest than others in his school in history and you cured him of autism. I think his knowledge of history will expand so much further because it's the autism that's slowing him down. they would have better common sense, better self advocacy

to ask better questions to get better results or to find better research. they would fit in better. imagine your child without the autism... can you imagine how much better his life would be?I think some people are thinking if you cure the autism you won't have that same child. You would. he just wouldn't need a social skills class, speech, O.T., P.T., etc... he would still be funny, cute, love the same things he enjoys - just so much easier without the autism.

My daughter is N.T., she also gets 90s to 100 in school. She can self advocate and will speak up for herself if something isn't right. she's independent, I can let her go with her friends and know she will call me when she suppose to and not lose her cell phone. she can do this so easy because she doesn't have autism. she's happy, she's funny, she gets phone calls all day long. she on the phone with 3 way calling and on her cell at the same time while typing on face book. IT'S AMAZING! my son couldn't ever do this many multisteps. he doesn't even know how to use the 3 way calling. also, he is a year older than my daughter. the difference is my daughter gets invited out all the time and my son doesn't even get a phone call. I guess with this I can see such a difference between autism and N.T. a Hugh difference. and one more thing. while my son is going for tutoring to

keep up with his class. My daughter is out with her friends. when I'm driving my son to a social skills group. My daughter is at a birthday party. my daughter is very smart and without the autism holding her back - she shines!

if there was a cure for autism. I would be the first one there. No more driving to all these supports he needs, no more doctors, no more therapy, no more CSE meetings....and most of all, I think my son would be happier because he knows not everyone has autism and struggles like he does, and he knows he has to work harder then others. but then - whats the difference - there is no cure for autism anyway... the only cure for autism is what we are all doing right now. driving our kids to all these different places hoping that will help them.

Rose

From: O'Brien <nicole.obrien@...> Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 7:23:33 PMSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

I donâ€™t think Roxanna was being serious. From what she wrote (and correct me if Iâ€™m wrong, Roxanna), what she meant was that Einstein, in her opinion, didnâ€™t HAVE anything that needed a cure, and therefore, she wouldnâ€™t have changed him. If he HAD, however, then of course any of us wouldâ€™ve helped if we could. But Einstein didnâ€™t need to be â€œCUREDâ€. Just as I donâ€™t feel any of our children, or you, , etcâ€¦ need to be â€œCUREDâ€. Helped along the way, yes â€“ but donâ€™t we all need a little help along the way?

Again, I might be wrongâ€¦ but I think thatâ€™s what Roxanna meant (sorry if Iâ€™m way off here, Roxanna!)

=)

From: [mailto:AspergersSu pport@group s.com] On Behalf Of GSent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AMAspergers TreatmentSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

LOL you are aware that Einstein was most likely somewhere on the spectrum (almost all evidence out there points to that conclusion) and that if you gave him the "cure" you might kill physics as we know them today (no autism, no preservating, no being able to come to these amazing conclusions that changed our world). Food for thought.

From: MadIdeasaol (DOT) comDate: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:03:30 -0500Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If Einstein had a problem that needed a cure, then yes, I would definitely give him a cure if I had the means to do so.

Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Parenthood> >> >> >> >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit> > heartbreaking for me to watch.> >> > Thoughts?> >> >> >> >> >>

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Growing up throughout elementary school I was always the smartest in mathematics. I mean literally when I was in the 2nd and 3rd grade I knew more the all besides 1 or 2 fifth graders. Why was this, because I studied maths for hours a day when I got home, because I was obsessed with numbers. NTs don't do this, NTs don't get obsessed with silly little things like numbers. NTs don't read a series of books and become obsessed with them (reading them over and over) because at the end of every book it has statistics about how good all the players better.

My advantages here stopped around middle school (was still the smartest, was still in gifted activities ala math olympiads and math counts, but not quite by as much). Why, because I became obsessed with sports. While I was never all that good at them, I spend 50-60 hours a week during football season on something that had to do with football (not to mention I was no slouch when it came to baseball and basketball). By the time I got out of peewee leagues my coach was asking if I would come back next year and help him coach because I seemed to have a knack for seeing the tiny little things which can tell you what play to run. How often do you hear about that happening to an NT? Sometimes I am sure, but I am willing to be my asperger's played a role there too.

Was I a well rounded child, not really (though I did get good grades and was in the orchestra, even if I did see that as a distraction). Were my social skills the best, LOL no, but then again I would rather get helped with them and be allowed to keep unique talents. Same thing with my coordination.

From: beachbodytan2002@...Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 04:28:56 -0800Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

,

Cured? I agree with Roxanna - if there was a way to cure autism I would be first on that line. (if there was no side effects) isn't that what we are all trying to day anyway? when you take your child to O.T., speech, P.T. social skills, therapy, etc...aren't we trying to cure those concerns we have with our kids? We're all doing it right now. trying to cure their autism but one step at a time... now imagine if there was a cure for autism. all that would be taken care of all at the same time. the child wouldn't change - just the autism. I believe if a child was smart in lets say history - has more interest than others in his school in history and you cured him of autism. I think his knowledge of history will expand so much further because it's the autism that's slowing him down. they would have better common sense, better self advocacy to ask better questions to get better results or to find better research. they would fit in better. imagine your child without the autism... can you imagine how much better his life would be?I think some people are thinking if you cure the autism you won't have that same child. You would. he just wouldn't need a social skills class, speech, O.T., P.T., etc... he would still be funny, cute, love the same things he enjoys - just so much easier without the autism.

My daughter is N.T., she also gets 90s to 100 in school. She can self advocate and will speak up for herself if something isn't right. she's independent, I can let her go with her friends and know she will call me when she suppose to and not lose her cell phone. she can do this so easy because she doesn't have autism. she's happy, she's funny, she gets phone calls all day long. she on the phone with 3 way calling and on her cell at the same time while typing on face book. IT'S AMAZING! my son couldn't ever do this many multisteps. he doesn't even know how to use the 3 way calling. also, he is a year older than my daughter. the difference is my daughter gets invited out all the time and my son doesn't even get a phone call. I guess with this I can see such a difference between autism and N.T. a Hugh difference. and one more thing. while my son is going for tutoring to keep up with his class. My daughter is out with her friends. when I'm driving my son to a social skills group. My daughter is at a birthday party. my daughter is very smart and without the autism holding her back - she shines!

if there was a cure for autism. I would be the first one there. No more driving to all these supports he needs, no more doctors, no more therapy, no more CSE meetings....and most of all, I think my son would be happier because he knows not everyone has autism and struggles like he does, and he knows he has to work harder then others. but then - whats the difference - there is no cure for autism anyway... the only cure for autism is what we are all doing right now. driving our kids to all these different places hoping that will help them.

Rose

From: O'Brien <nicole.obrieneastlink (DOT) ca> Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 7:23:33 PMSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

I don’t think Roxanna was being serious. From what she wrote (and correct me if I’m wrong, Roxanna), what she meant was that Einstein, in her opinion, didn’t HAVE anything that needed a cure, and therefore, she wouldn’t have changed him. If he HAD, however, then of course any of us would’ve helped if we could. But Einstein didn’t need to be “CURED”. Just as I don’t feel any of our children, or you, , etc… need to be “CURED”. Helped along the way, yes – but don’t we all need a little help along the way?

Again, I might be wrong… but I think that’s what Roxanna meant (sorry if I’m way off here, Roxanna!)

=)

From: [mailto:AspergersSu pport@group s.com] On Behalf Of GSent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AMAspergers TreatmentSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

LOL you are aware that Einstein was most likely somewhere on the spectrum (almost all evidence out there points to that conclusion) and that if you gave him the "cure" you might kill physics as we know them today (no autism, no preservating, no being able to come to these amazing conclusions that changed our world). Food for thought.

From: MadIdeasaol (DOT) comDate: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:03:30 -0500Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If Einstein had a problem that needed a cure, then yes, I would definitely give him a cure if I had the means to do so.

Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Parenthood> >> >> >> >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit> > heartbreaking for me to watch.> >> > Thoughts?> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.> > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 201469230/ direct/01/> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> > -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,> and > > Girl Scout cookies are coming!>

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Thanks . You input as an adult with AS is helpful for us with kids coming

up the ranks.

We're woking on the social anxiety. He's been in a karate class and it's already

helping a lot, and has started carrying over to him being more social in school.

Yeah!

TJ

> > >> >

> > >> > From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com>

> > >> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

> > >> > Aspergers Treatment

> > >> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM

> > >> >

> > >> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the

> > >> > language.

> > >> > " Suffering " , " somethings wrong with him " , etc. I get that this is the

> > >> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I

> > >> > hope

> > >> > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only

> > >> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we

> > >> > see on

> > >> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.

> > >> >

> > >> > From: kelliangelini

> > >> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000

> > >> > Subject: ( ) Parenthood

> > >> >

> > >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head

> > >> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will

> > >> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit

> > >> > heartbreaking for me to watch.

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,

How do you think boys should be taught? I am asking because I Home school my 11yr old son, and he hates doing the school work. He does a on-line school. Would love to hear of some tips on making it better for him to learn.

Thanks,

Sharon

From: G <fnofsports@...>Aspergers Treatment Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 12:17:27 AMSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

Okay lets put it another way. Studies are showing now that because their are so many female teachers in certain academic fields from a young age (when did your son have his first male subject teacher, his second, for me it was in middle school, and even then they were a large minority), boys are not getting taught in a way they can learn. The teachers having been taught best in a way that girls easily understand choose to teach that way. Because of this boys tend to fall behind at a much higher rate then girls, just like aspie kids. Is there something wrong with being a boy? Should we cure "boyness" and make boys more like girls.... I don't think so. Likewise once you get to higher education the boys that tended to stay on pace earlier generally tend to move ahead of girls at this point as most professors are men teaching how they learn best. I think its much the

same thing for aspies. While you might get other issues if you tried putting 20 aspies in a classroom together (though I seriously doubt it would harm them that much) they would probably learn quite well, as the teacher would be teaching in a way they understood. While we in this society would consider this special education, it really wouldn't be different then single sex education thats being tried in many school districts in America to help teach boys better. Now with this being said, aspies do need HELP to live and work in this society, but I see that as being different then a cure. A cure would kill them of the ability to preservate, the ability to see the big picture, etc. Might also kill a bit of their personality that you seem to love. Thats why I have a problem with the word cure.

From: MadIdeasaol (DOT) comDate: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:04:46 -0500Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If NT's learned differently in your scenario, then yes, they would need sped services. Having a LD means there is something going wrong in one or more of the typical processes of learning. You don't get sped because you are a bit quirky or you "think differently. " As for "fix", I did not say "fix" in my post. I would not advocate for anyone by saying "they need to be fixed." I am not sure where you connected my post to that. As for who will hire people who need to be "fixed" (your choice of term), this is why there are job coordinators who may or may not do a good job at finding employment for people with disabilities. Look around you - people with disabilities work in a variety of jobs and within all communities according to their abilities and the job market. I do believe I can advocate for my kids (hfa) without trying to pretend

that they don't have a disability that affects their ability to learn and socialize. I find it better to accept the differences and work with them, not against them. You can't have it both ways where you get special help but it's not because you have a problem.

Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Parenthood> > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.> > Thoughts?> > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it

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More hands on, more activities, more "fun" stuff, etc. Without things like that boys tend to space off and that just doesn't work.

From: sharon1465@...Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:18:21 -0800Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

,

How do you think boys should be taught? I am asking because I Home school my 11yr old son, and he hates doing the school work. He does a on-line school. Would love to hear of some tips on making it better for him to learn.

Thanks,

Sharon

From: G <fnofsportshotmail>Aspergers Treatment Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 12:17:27 AMSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

Okay lets put it another way. Studies are showing now that because their are so many female teachers in certain academic fields from a young age (when did your son have his first male subject teacher, his second, for me it was in middle school, and even then they were a large minority), boys are not getting taught in a way they can learn. The teachers having been taught best in a way that girls easily understand choose to teach that way. Because of this boys tend to fall behind at a much higher rate then girls, just like aspie kids. Is there something wrong with being a boy? Should we cure "boyness" and make boys more like girls.... I don't think so. Likewise once you get to higher education the boys that tended to stay on pace earlier generally tend to move ahead of girls at this point as most professors are men teaching how they learn best. I think its much the same thing for aspies. While you might get other issues if you tried putting 20 aspies in a classroom together (though I seriously doubt it would harm them that much) they would probably learn quite well, as the teacher would be teaching in a way they understood. While we in this society would consider this special education, it really wouldn't be different then single sex education thats being tried in many school districts in America to help teach boys better. Now with this being said, aspies do need HELP to live and work in this society, but I see that as being different then a cure. A cure would kill them of the ability to preservate, the ability to see the big picture, etc. Might also kill a bit of their personality that you seem to love. Thats why I have a problem with the word cure.

From: MadIdeasaol (DOT) comDate: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:04:46 -0500Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If NT's learned differently in your scenario, then yes, they would need sped services. Having a LD means there is something going wrong in one or more of the typical processes of learning. You don't get sped because you are a bit quirky or you "think differently. " As for "fix", I did not say "fix" in my post. I would not advocate for anyone by saying "they need to be fixed." I am not sure where you connected my post to that. As for who will hire people who need to be "fixed" (your choice of term), this is why there are job coordinators who may or may not do a good job at finding employment for people with disabilities. Look around you - people with disabilities work in a variety of jobs and within all communities according to their abilities and the job market. I do believe I can advocate for my kids (hfa) without trying to pretend that they don't have a disability that affects their ability to learn and socialize. I find it better to accept the differences and work with them, not against them. You can't have it both ways where you get special help but it's not because you have a problem.

Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Parenthood> > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.> > Thoughts?> > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.>

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Hi TJ, Does your son kit other kids? I was considering starting my son, who's 7, in karate, but I'm afraid it will make him want to hit more. He hits other kids in school almost every day not because he's a mean kid, but because they either say something to him and he takes it the wrong way or this one girl in particular sticks her tong out at him, and he reacts by hitting her in the arm. The teacher told me she's an instigator, but my son still can't hit her. I'm afraid her parents are going to sue me. Others have told me that karate teaches them respect and discipline. What do you think? Are they just learning moves, or are they learning to kick and hit? I need to find something for him to do outside of school to direct his energy since he has no friends right now. I've tried baseball and soccer

with no success, because if he's not always winning, he doesn't want to play., Where you involved in any activities that helped you? What did your parents try with you that helped or didn't help? Can you suggest any other activities that could help our kids with social skills?Thanks,GenFrom: juice011111 <juice00000@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:37 PM

Thanks . You input as an adult with AS is helpful for us with kids coming up the ranks.

We're woking on the social anxiety. He's been in a karate class and it's already helping a lot, and has started carrying over to him being more social in school. Yeah!

TJ

> > >> >

> > >> > From: G <fnofsports@ hotmail. com>

> > >> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

> > >> > Aspergers Treatment

> > >> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM

> > >> >

> > >> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the

> > >> > language.

> > >> > "Suffering", "somethings wrong with him", etc. I get that this is the

> > >> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I

> > >> > hope

> > >> > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only

> > >> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we

> > >> > see on

> > >> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.

> > >> >

> > >> > From: kelliangelini

> > >> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000

> > >> > Subject: ( ) Parenthood

> > >> >

> > >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head

> > >> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will

> > >> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit

> > >> > heartbreaking for me to watch.

> > >> >

> > >> > Thoughts?

> > >> >

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,

you just explained something that I was wondering about my son without even knowing it. because of what you wrote - I understand something else about him. T.Y.

About your last two sentences. IMO I believe you can still keep those same unique talents while learning the social skills and better coordination. My son has learned lots - a lot more to learn but I just feel the autism is holding him back so much.

Also, did you feel that being thou you are so smart in academics that the school didn't pay attention to the other areas you needed attention in. like- did they still work with you with the social skills part or did you get into trouble lots. or, did they just ignore those other concerns.

Rose

P.S. I wish I had read all you other e-mails - I've been so busy with my sons school I've not been able to read as many post as I use to.

From: G <fnofsports@...>Aspergers Treatment Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 1:46:00 PMSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

Growing up throughout elementary school I was always the smartest in mathematics. I mean literally when I was in the 2nd and 3rd grade I knew more the all besides 1 or 2 fifth graders. Why was this, because I studied maths for hours a day when I got home, because I was obsessed with numbers. NTs don't do this, NTs don't get obsessed with silly little things like numbers. NTs don't read a series of books and become obsessed with them (reading them over and over) because at the end of every book it has statistics about how good all the players better. My advantages here stopped around middle school (was still the smartest, was still in gifted activities ala math olympiads and math counts, but not quite by as much). Why, because I became obsessed with sports. While I was never all that good at them, I spend 50-60 hours a week during football season on something

that had to do with football (not to mention I was no slouch when it came to baseball and basketball). By the time I got out of peewee leagues my coach was asking if I would come back next year and help him coach because I seemed to have a knack for seeing the tiny little things which can tell you what play to run. How often do you hear about that happening to an NT? Sometimes I am sure, but I am willing to be my asperger's played a role there too. Was I a well rounded child, not really (though I did get good grades and was in the orchestra, even if I did see that as a distraction) . Were my social skills the best, LOL no, but then again I would rather get helped with them and be allowed to keep unique talents. Same thing with my coordination.

From: beachbodytan2002Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 04:28:56 -0800Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

,

Cured? I agree with Roxanna - if there was a way to cure autism I would be first on that line. (if there was no side effects) isn't that what we are all trying to day anyway? when you take your child to O.T., speech, P.T. social skills, therapy, etc...aren't we trying to cure those concerns we have with our kids? We're all doing it right now. trying to cure their autism but one step at a time... now imagine if there was a cure for autism. all that would be taken care of all at the same time. the child wouldn't change - just the autism. I believe if a child was smart in lets say history - has more interest than others in his school in history and you cured him of autism. I think his knowledge of history will expand so much further because it's the autism that's slowing him down. they would have better common sense, better self advocacy

to ask better questions to get better results or to find better research. they would fit in better. imagine your child without the autism... can you imagine how much better his life would be?I think some people are thinking if you cure the autism you won't have that same child. You would. he just wouldn't need a social skills class, speech, O.T., P.T., etc... he would still be funny, cute, love the same things he enjoys - just so much easier without the autism.

My daughter is N.T., she also gets 90s to 100 in school. She can self advocate and will speak up for herself if something isn't right. she's independent, I can let her go with her friends and know she will call me when she suppose to and not lose her cell phone. she can do this so easy because she doesn't have autism. she's happy, she's funny, she gets phone calls all day long. she on the phone with 3 way calling and on her cell at the same time while typing on face book. IT'S AMAZING! my son couldn't ever do this many multisteps. he doesn't even know how to use the 3 way calling. also, he is a year older than my daughter. the difference is my daughter gets invited out all the time and my son doesn't even get a phone call. I guess with this I can see such a difference between autism and N.T. a Hugh difference. and one more thing. while my son is going for tutoring to

keep up with his class. My daughter is out with her friends. when I'm driving my son to a social skills group. My daughter is at a birthday party. my daughter is very smart and without the autism holding her back - she shines!

if there was a cure for autism. I would be the first one there. No more driving to all these supports he needs, no more doctors, no more therapy, no more CSE meetings.... and most of all, I think my son would be happier because he knows not everyone has autism and struggles like he does, and he knows he has to work harder then others. but then - whats the difference - there is no cure for autism anyway... the only cure for autism is what we are all doing right now. driving our kids to all these different places hoping that will help them.

Rose

From: O'Brien <nicole.obrien@ eastlink. ca> Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 7:23:33 PMSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

I donâ€™t think Roxanna was being serious. From what she wrote (and correct me if Iâ€™m wrong, Roxanna), what she meant was that Einstein, in her opinion, didnâ€™t HAVE anything that needed a cure, and therefore, she wouldnâ€™t have changed him. If he HAD, however, then of course any of us wouldâ€™ve helped if we could. But Einstein didnâ€™t need to be â€œCUREDâ€. Just as I donâ€™t feel any of our children, or you, , etcâ€¦ need to be â€œCUREDâ€. Helped along the way, yes â€“ but donâ€™t we all need a little help along the way?

Again, I might be wrongâ€¦ but I think thatâ€™s what Roxanna meant (sorry if Iâ€™m way off here, Roxanna!)

=)

From: [mailto:AspergersSu pport@group s.com] On Behalf Of GSent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:38 AMAspergers TreatmentSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

LOL you are aware that Einstein was most likely somewhere on the spectrum (almost all evidence out there points to that conclusion) and that if you gave him the "cure" you might kill physics as we know them today (no autism, no preservating, no being able to come to these amazing conclusions that changed our world). Food for thought.

From: MadIdeasaol (DOT) comDate: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:03:30 -0500Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

If Einstein had a problem that needed a cure, then yes, I would definitely give him a cure if I had the means to do so.

Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

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I don't know what other people have experience but for my son it has done wonders. My son is 9 & in the 3rd grade. He too had the tenance to hit, in the same mannor as your son. He has been taking teakwondo since November and he loves it. And we has seen an improvement in his behavior and over all respect for others. He goes twice a week and has made his first belt increase to yellow belt. He has to do well at home and school in order to belt test plus he has to follow the teakwando rules. He has to learn one for each level. The first was to respect parents and others. He nowsays yes ma'am and yes sir to adults. Any way if u choose it for your son I hope it goes well. Ps. It has also done wonders for his self esteam. PamSent from my iPhonePam MothersheadOn Mar 6, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Gen <contactu_98@...> wrote:

Hi TJ, Does your son kit other kids? I was considering starting my son, who's 7, in karate, but I'm afraid it will make him want to hit more. He hits other kids in school almost every day not because he's a mean kid, but because they either say something to him and he takes it the wrong way or this one girl in particular sticks her tong out at him, and he reacts by hitting her in the arm. The teacher told me she's an instigator, but my son still can't hit her. I'm afraid her parents are going to sue me. Others have told me that karate teaches them respect and discipline. What do you think? Are they just learning moves, or are they learning to kick and hit? I need to find something for him to do outside of school to direct his energy since he has no friends right now. I've tried baseball and soccer

with no success, because if he's not always winning, he doesn't want to play., Where you involved in any activities that helped you? What did your parents try with you that helped or didn't help? Can you suggest any other activities that could help our kids with social skills?Thanks,GenFrom: juice011111 <juice00000msn>Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 2:37 PM

Thanks . You input as an adult with AS is helpful for us with kids coming up the ranks.

We're woking on the social anxiety. He's been in a karate class and it's already helping a lot, and has started carrying over to him being more social in school. Yeah!

TJ

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> > >> > From: G <fnofsports@ hotmail. com>

> > >> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

> > >> > Aspergers Treatment

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> > >> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the

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> > >> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I

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> > >> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we

> > >> > see on

> > >> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.

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> > >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head

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March 7, 2010

My husband and I finally watched the episode of the Pilot last night... Wasn't

as easy as I thought it would be to watch. We were both in tears during the

scene when the wife tells the husband about the diagnosis and held each other

for the rest of the show.

I thought the little boy did a great job of depicting a child with Asperger's

and that the parents did a good job of the roller coaster ride

(fear...despair...hope...fear...despair...hope).

Toward the end of episode, when the dad is outside, talking to the grandfather,

my husband whispered in my ear, " Thank you for being such a great mom. " Of

course, I broke down and just held on to him... Although it may not be easy to

watch (he mentioned that maybe this show was going to hit too close to home, but

he watched the whole thing), I hope that we learn more about our son, about what

we can and should avoid doing, and how to get our extended family more inovlved

in our lives. I actually sent an email inviting our family to watch the show,

and asking them for their feedback... I think seeing on it TV will be easier to

understand than anything I could try to explain myself. I'm also going to let

his teachers know about the show.

I'm the eternal optimist, and I pray that this show brings a new level of

awareness, compassion, and hope for what is possible.

Gladys

>

> So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes

this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start

to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to

watch.

>

> Thoughts?

>

March 7, 2010

I agree that you can help out the problems without taking away the good parts, but a theretical cure to me means taking away all aspie traits. Beyond that school had very little to do with why I was so advanced in academics, I was basically bored from 2nd-8th grades in math class. Though I did get in trouble lots as they basically didn't want to waste resources on me considering I was so good acdemically.

From: beachbodytan2002@...Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 05:46:51 -0800Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood

,

you just explained something that I was wondering about my son without even knowing it. because of what you wrote - I understand something else about him. T.Y.

About your last two sentences. IMO I believe you can still keep those same unique talents while learning the social skills and better coordination. My son has learned lots - a lot more to learn but I just feel the autism is holding him back so much.

Also, did you feel that being thou you are so smart in academics that the school didn't pay attention to the other areas you needed attention in. like- did they still work with you with the social skills part or did you get into trouble lots. or, did they just ignore those other concerns.

Rose

P.S. I wish I had read all you other e-mails - I've been so busy with my sons school I've not been able to read as many post as I use to.

From: G <fnofsportshotmail>Aspergers Treatment Sent: Sat, March 6, 2010 1:46:00 PMSubject: RE: ( ) Parenthood

Growing up throughout elementary school I was always the smartest in mathematics. I mean literally when I was in the 2nd and 3rd grade I knew more the all besides 1 or 2 fifth graders. Why was this, because I studied maths for hours a day when I got home, because I was obsessed with numbers. NTs don't do this, NTs don't get obsessed with silly little things like numbers. NTs don't read a series of books and become obsessed with them (reading them over and over) because at the end of every book it has statistics about how good all the players better. My advantages here stopped around middle school (was still the smartest, was still in gifted activities ala math olympiads and math counts, but not quite by as much). Why, because I became obsessed with sports. While I was never all that good at them, I spend 50-60 hours a week during football season on something that had to do with football (not to mention I was no slouch when it came to baseball and basketball). By the time I got out of peewee leagues my coach was asking if I would come back next year and help him coach because I seemed to have a knack for seeing the tiny little things which can tell you what play to run. How often do you hear about that happening to an NT? Sometimes I am sure, but I am willing to be my asperger's played a role there too. Was I a well rounded child, not really (though I did get good grades and was in the orchestra, even if I did see that as a distraction) . Were my social skills the best, LOL no, but then again I would rather get helped with them and be allowed to keep unique talents. Same thing with my coordination.