Re: Frustrated by 15 year olds bad school attitude

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I don't really have any advice but your son and mine sound like twins. If you get any good ideas please let me know. I'm actually to the point where I am considering homeschooling my son due to all of it.GabiFrom: sue.russo <sue.russo@...> Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 1:09:39 PMSubject: ( ) Frustrated by 15 year olds bad school attitude

I have a 15 year old son who never wanted to do his homework. Now he seems to be having an attitude in school as well about not caring if his work during class is done or not. When I question him about it he says "What are those teachers talking about, I handed it in." He is one to always blame others for his behavior, example the teacher is a jerk. I would love to put him in a school for AS/ADD kids but costs are outrageous. Any ideas or suggestions for motivating him? When I take things away from him his behavior just gets worse. Rewards don't seem to help much either. Help.

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Oh. Well. I Wish i had an answer for you. We have exactly the same issue with

Hunter. He doesn't care about school, lies about homework. No rewards work, nor

does removing cherished things. I am looking forward to some ideas!

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> I have a 15 year old son who never wanted to do his homework. Now he seems to

be having an attitude in school as well about not caring if his work during

class is done or not. When I question him about it he says " What are those

teachers talking about, I handed it in. " He is one to always blame others for

his behavior, example the teacher is a jerk. I would love to put him in a school

for AS/ADD kids but costs are outrageous. Any ideas or suggestions for

motivating him? When I take things away from him his behavior just gets worse.

Rewards don't seem to help much either. Help.

>

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It is hard from what you wrote to know the extent of his problems.

Does he get good grades? Is it getting harder to do work? Can he

write papers and do long term projects? You may get a homework exemption

if this is the only issue. You have to track down what classes

he is not doing work in. Is it one class or all classes?

Is he classified under IEP? Does he see a pyschiatrist, neurologist or

pyschologist on a regular basis that can help advocate

for more school support? Do you know if he has any cognitive

issues (slow processing speed, deficit working memory, deficts

in attention)? If he has cognitive deficts he definately needs

special education.

Getting school support sometimes amounts to organizing a " case "

in the legal sense. You need

your evidence (diagnosis, nueropyschological evaluation),

you need your experts (psychiatrist, neuropyschologist etc)

and you need you argument to be convincing and reasonable.

I took the path of having my daughter classified and getting

special services for her. It took a few years and lots of

work and advocacy from a host of experts.

We do also have a behavior plan from Yale Univeristy's Child

Conduct Clinic. But the behavior plan is to get her to school

and behavior at home. It is not at all about what happens in school.

The school has to manage that. You need the school to help him

in school. I can give you some ideas about homework but if

he is burned out and needs a rest I would advocate to cut

back on what he has to do.

let me know how else I can help,

Pam

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> I have a 15 year old son who never wanted to do his homework. Now he seems to

be having an attitude in school as well about not caring if his work during

class is done or not. When I question him about it he says " What are those

teachers talking about, I handed it in. " He is one to always blame others for

his behavior, example the teacher is a jerk. I would love to put him in a school

for AS/ADD kids but costs are outrageous. Any ideas or suggestions for

motivating him? When I take things away from him his behavior just gets worse.

Rewards don't seem to help much either. Help.

>

[Guest guest]

I ran across this information (regarding AS) some time ago and thought it worth

saving... sorry I couldn't locate the source. Hope it helps...

Questions to Ask About INCREASING MOTIVATION

When these questions are answered, remember to address and analyze the student's

entire day and week across all environments to assure these motivational

strategies are addressed systematically.

　

Are the activities useful and meaningful for the student?

Are experiences shared rather than constantly instructed?

Is information given so person understands; questioning developed & utilized?

Are there cooperative experiences?

Are likes, interests, and strengths; questions minimized?

Is intrinsic motivation utilized?

Are naturally occurring motivators used?

Is natural initiation encouraged and invited?

Are attempts towards goals and objectives reinforced?

Are environmental and instructional cues utilized instead of relying on constant

adult verbal and physical cues?

Is feedback provided immediately so the connection between the reinforcement and

event is clear?

Are familiar, acquired activities kept in the program as new ones are added?

Are the reinforcing stimuli varied, are there choices of reinforcements, and is

the schedule of reinforcement

varied?

Are student preferences used and attempts made to update these and use

motivators that the student REALLY likes?

Are typical social encouragements (smile, pat, praise)really motivating?

Is choice making encouraged, invited, accepted and taught?

Are the options for choice expanded through meaningful experiences and

successes?

Is reciprocal communications encouraged and is there ample opportunity?

Are reciprocal social interactions reinforced and shared rather than corrected?

> From: sue.russo <sue.russo@...>

> Subject: ( ) Frustrated by 15 year olds bad school attitude

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> Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 1:09 PM

> I have a 15 year old son who never

> wanted to do his homework. Now he seems to be having an

> attitude in school as well about not caring if his work

> during class is done or not. When I question him about it he

> says " What are those teachers talking about, I handed it

> in. " He is one to always blame others for his behavior,

> example the teacher is a jerk. I would love to put him in a

> school for AS/ADD kids but costs are outrageous. Any ideas

> or suggestions for motivating him? When I take things away

> from him his behavior just gets worse. Rewards don't seem to

> help much either. Help.

>

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[Guest guest]

OH my word...that sounds just like my son...it is never his fault ...always someone else's. My son hates school...says it is BORING! And, he gets so depressed because he has no one to Hang with. His friend up the street...stop coming over...I think they had a fight. Ugh!

jan

"Faith, hope and Love and the greatest of these is Love"

From: Kate Stone <katesdishes@...> Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 3:10:29 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Frustrated by 15 year olds bad school attitude

I ran across this information (regarding AS) some time ago and thought it worth saving... sorry I couldn't locate the source. Hope it helps... Questions to Ask About INCREASING MOTIVATIONWhen these questions are answered, remember to address and analyze the student's entire day and week across all environments to assure these motivational strategies are addressed systematically. 　Are the activities useful and meaningful for the student? Are experiences shared rather than constantly instructed? Is information given so person understands; questioning developed & utilized?Are there cooperative experiences?Are likes, interests, and strengths; questions minimized?Is intrinsic motivation utilized?Are naturally occurring motivators used?Is natural initiation encouraged and invited?Are attempts towards goals and objectives reinforced?Are environmental and

instructional cues utilized instead of relying on constant adult verbal and physical cues?Is feedback provided immediately so the connection between the reinforcement and event is clear?Are familiar, acquired activities kept in the program as new ones are added?Are the reinforcing stimuli varied, are there choices of reinforcements, and is the schedule of reinforcementvaried?Are student preferences used and attempts made to update these and use motivators that the student REALLY likes?Are typical social encouragements (smile, pat, praise)really motivating?Is choice making encouraged, invited, accepted and taught?Are the options for choice expanded through meaningful experiences and successes? Is reciprocal communications encouraged and is there ample opportunity?Are reciprocal social interactions reinforced and shared rather than corrected?> From: sue.russo <sue.russo (DOT) com>> Subject: ( ) Frustrated by 15 year olds bad school attitude> > Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 1:09 PM> I have a 15 year old son who never> wanted to do his homework. Now he seems to be having an> attitude in school as well about not caring if his work> during class is done or not. When I question him about it he> says "What are those teachers talking about, I handed it> in." He is one to always blame

others for his behavior,> example the teacher is a jerk. I would love to put him in a> school for AS/ADD kids but costs are outrageous. Any ideas> or suggestions for motivating him? When I take things away> from him his behavior just gets worse. Rewards don't seem to> help much either. Help. > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

[Guest guest]

Jan, your description is EXACTLY my son! Glad to hear I'm not the only one, I

thought I would go crazy with this last week.

Laurel

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> > From: sue.russo <sue.russo (DOT) com>

> > Subject: ( ) Frustrated by 15 year olds bad school attitude

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> > Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 1:09 PM

> > I have a 15 year old son who never

> > wanted to do his homework. Now he seems to be having an

> > attitude in school as well about not caring if his work

> > during class is done or not. When I question him about it he

> > says " What are those teachers talking about, I handed it

> > in. " He is one to always blame others for his behavior,

> > example the teacher is a jerk. I would love to put him in a

> > school for AS/ADD kids but costs are outrageous. Any ideas

> > or suggestions for motivating him? When I take things away

> > from him his behavior just gets worse. Rewards don't seem to

> > help much either. Help.

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