introducing myself

[Guest guest]

I think we've all had 2 switch on days. There is so much that happens on the

first day and so much change from day 1 to day 2. A second switch on day

allows our brains to settle in just a bit so that the audie can give us several

maps to try out over the next few weeks. Congratulations!

In a message dated 4/7/2006 9:23:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ted.fletcher@... writes:

Did anyone else have 2 switch on days? I

was told that things can change overnight.

Ted F.

[Guest guest]

>

> Ted,

>

> All of the technical jargon evades me, so I just do the best I can

> in terms that I understand! LOL!

>

> The maps are basically where they hook your external processor up to

> their computer and they test each electrode to make sure that it is

> working and then what is the lowest level you can hear and the

> highest you can tolerate. I believe they are called T and C

> levels. (If someone else can explain this better, then my all means

> please do~smile!)

>

> From that they create programs. My daughter is going on three and

> we have four programs. Each time she is mapped they have gotten

> louder until this last time. They think she is really close to

> wear she needs to be. She will return in May for another mapping

> session. As for the features, that part is completely foreign to

> me. Sorry! I don't know who adapts better, children or adults. I

> think it depends a lot of how much, if any, hearing and language

> one had before the implant. What is your hearing history?

>

I was able to hear OK until I was 27, so I had the advantage of

having learned speech. I was diagnosed for the first time in 1971 as

having a hearing loss, but not until 1978 as having a more

significant loss. I worked for 17 years (until 1989) as an

underground coal miner, so most of my loss is noise induced. I did

find out a few years ago, that a couple of my siblings back in the

UK, were deaf too, so there was a history of deafness on my mothers

side. So, putting the two things together I became very deaf over the

years.

I have worn two hearing aids since 1978 and was never one of these

people that chuck them in the draw and dont wear them, I wore mine

every day. This I am told, could possibly work in my favour now, by

having kept the brain stimulated. The cochlear implant team expect a

good outcome for me. I joined this group to try and learn something

about what to expect and to gauge other peoples progress and to pass

on my own experiences to maybe help someone else.

I suppose stage one is the implant operation itself, that went

absolutely, unbelievably well. Pain for an hour after getting out of

surgery and no pain to talk about, since. I spent one night in

hospital. Its still less than 3 days since my op, so its early days

for me.

Thanks for sharing your daughters experiences with me. I hope that

she keeps on getting better and better.

Ted F.

>

> ___________________________

>

> A.Weinzapfel

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I think we've all had 2 switch on days. There is so much that

> happens on the first day and so much change from day 1 to day 2. A

> second switch on day allows our brains to settle in just a bit so

> that the audie can give us several maps to try out over the next

> few weeks. Congratulations!

>

Thanks. The part that worries me, is that I dont remember anyone

doing any tests to see if I still have a functioning brain :-)

Ted F.

>

> In a message dated 4/7/2006 9:23:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> ted.fletcher@... writes:

> Did anyone else have 2 switch on days? I

> was told that things can change overnight.

>

> Ted F.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I am new to this as well so I am assuming when I reply to you it is

going to everyone??? Anyway, I have been off of synthroid for 9 yrs. and on all

natural remedies since, I have felt great.......until I got pregnant,

miscarried, and now my thyroid has not been the same and I have a goiter. I am

seeking alternative help because I refuse to be on a synthetic drug for the rest

of my life. I am currently taking " dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in

New Zealand. I also take a supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on

Dr. Dane's website. I am doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea

vegetable, and yoga!!! It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with

this. Like I said, all of this was completely helping me until I got pregnant

and now I am not and can not get my gland to go back the way it was. I wish you

luck and I am hoping I can find some holistic help on this site. :0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

there are two problems with conventional thyroid treatment that keep us

sick---TSH and T4 meds. You will need proper treatment. Best med for

weight loss is (enough) Armour.

Gracia

> Hi my name is and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

> with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

> weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

> physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

> endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

> is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

>

> I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

> that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

> besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

>

> I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

armour worries me because it comes from a pig and they are unfortunately very

toxic. They do not have to be but because the animals are not treated well and

pigs do not sweat they become toxix. Unless ofcourse they are now using pigs

from other countries, I do not know. I lost my weight from glandular tissue

from cows and " rev it up " metabolizer. Unfortanetly I am dtuck with this goiter

ever since I was pregnant.

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

there are two problems with conventional thyroid treatment that keep us

sick---TSH and T4 meds. You will need proper treatment. Best med for

weight loss is (enough) Armour.

Gracia

> Hi my name is and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

> with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

> weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

> physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

> endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

> is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

>

> I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

> that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

> besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

>

> I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My name is I have had problems with my thyroid since 1992. I was

pregnant and had a miscarriage too.

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote: Hi I am new to this

as well so I am assuming when I reply to you it is going to everyone??? Anyway,

I have been off of synthroid for 9 yrs. and on all natural remedies since, I

have felt great.......until I got pregnant, miscarried, and now my thyroid has

not been the same and I have a goiter. I am seeking alternative help because I

refuse to be on a synthetic drug for the rest of my life. I am currently taking

" dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in New Zealand. I also take a

supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on Dr. Dane's website. I am

doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea vegetable, and yoga!!!

It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with this. Like I said, all of

this was completely helping me until I got pregnant and now I am not and can not

get my gland to go back the way it was. I wish you luck and I am hoping I can

find some holistic help on this site. :0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

HI ,

Apart from your goitre do you have other symptoms?

I was just like you several years ago - ill and wanting to stay

completely away from drugs and western medicine. I had been vegetarian

for most of my life and in good health.

At 24 I had a daughter born with life threatening heart and lung

disease. I suspect that I was low thyroid and her complications were a

direct result of this. I can only say this in hindsight however - but

now that I am used to how thyroid symptoms look and feel I would say

with certainty that this is what happened.

My feeling is that without extreme stress (like pregnancy, divorce,

money issues etc) my thyroid copes OK but otherwise it dose not - and no

amount of holistic lifestyle made any difference to this.

I was very strict with my diet and lifestyle choices in my 20's and

30's. I was happy and loved my way of life - But I have concluded

that if a natural lifestyle could have got my thyroid in balance then it

would have happened in all those years!

So I have had to change my thinking. I still do not take drugs but I

have made my peace with bio-identical hormones. They are exactly the

same as your body produces - I react badly to nearly every drug I have

ever taken but the hormones do not effect me badly.

I tried Armour for awhile and like you I am not so happy taking animal

hormones - and in any case I seem to do better on the synthetic

combination of T4 and time release T3. These are bio-identical and made

in a lab.

My impression from what you have said so far is if your choices have not

made you well to date under the more extreme circumstances like a

pregnancy, they are not likely to in the future. Secondly I would

caution you about getting pregnant again with your thyroid function so

poor - your baby could end up sick.

I am guessing that because you are still working our twice a day you are

not too ill yet - many if not most of us here are too exhausted to work

out at all. You don't want to get that way!

I have taken the best natural vitamins and supplements for years as well

as a good organic diet, and while I wouldn't be without any of this it

didn't fix my thyroid.

I am now back on the road to health because I take thyroid hormones and

I take a lot of them. I also take melatonin, progesterone and

testosterone - all bio-identical - it is all helping enormously.

I was and still am very sceptical of western medicine - but when my

daughter received life saving surgery at 6 months old - I was forced to

acknowledge that western medicine does have a good side - now I use it

to help me where it can and then I apply my own intelligence to how I go

about healing myself.

I hope this is helpful to you - you will get lots of good info

on this board and much of it holistic but I can't in good faith tell you

that in your situation you'll get better without hormones.

Regards,

Kerry

Re: Introducing myself

Hi I am new to this as well so I am assuming when I reply to

you it is going to everyone??? Anyway, I have been off of synthroid for

9 yrs. and on all natural remedies since, I have felt great.......until

I got pregnant, miscarried, and now my thyroid has not been the same and

I have a goiter. I am seeking alternative help because I refuse to be

on a synthetic drug for the rest of my life. I am currently taking

" dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in New Zealand. I also take a

supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on Dr. Dane's website.

I am doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea vegetable, and

yoga!!! It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with this.

Like I said, all of this was completely helping me until I got pregnant

and now I am not and can not get my gland to go back the way it was. I

wish you luck and I am hoping I can find some holistic help on this

site. :0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hello thanks for your story and sorry to hear about your daughter. I only feel

good when I take the natural stuff. I tried synthroid again recently and could

not workout, I was too tired, my constipation came back, and I was depressed and

irritable. I went back on the natural and started the acupuncture and

chiropractic and yoga and once again feel like myself. I will have to stay with

what works best for me and taking a synthetic with ingredients that have been

known to be in the top 5 cancer causing list, will never be it. I am willing to

go on synthroid if I choose to try and have a baby and the reason why is so that

my levels can be properly monitered throughout the pregnancy but as long as I am

not trying to get pregnant I will stay as natural as I can. Thanks again.

- Oh, and no since I am back on the glandular tissues I have no other

symptoms, when I was back on the synthroid I had all the symptoms (constipation,

dry everything, moodiness, brain fog,

etc...the goiter came after the pregnancy)

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: HI ,

Apart from your goitre do you have other symptoms?

I was just like you several years ago - ill and wanting to stay

completely away from drugs and western medicine. I had been vegetarian

for most of my life and in good health.

At 24 I had a daughter born with life threatening heart and lung

disease. I suspect that I was low thyroid and her complications were a

direct result of this. I can only say this in hindsight however - but

now that I am used to how thyroid symptoms look and feel I would say

with certainty that this is what happened.

My feeling is that without extreme stress (like pregnancy, divorce,

money issues etc) my thyroid copes OK but otherwise it dose not - and no

amount of holistic lifestyle made any difference to this.

I was very strict with my diet and lifestyle choices in my 20's and

30's. I was happy and loved my way of life - But I have concluded

that if a natural lifestyle could have got my thyroid in balance then it

would have happened in all those years!

So I have had to change my thinking. I still do not take drugs but I

have made my peace with bio-identical hormones. They are exactly the

same as your body produces - I react badly to nearly every drug I have

ever taken but the hormones do not effect me badly.

I tried Armour for awhile and like you I am not so happy taking animal

hormones - and in any case I seem to do better on the synthetic

combination of T4 and time release T3. These are bio-identical and made

in a lab.

My impression from what you have said so far is if your choices have not

made you well to date under the more extreme circumstances like a

pregnancy, they are not likely to in the future. Secondly I would

caution you about getting pregnant again with your thyroid function so

poor - your baby could end up sick.

I am guessing that because you are still working our twice a day you are

not too ill yet - many if not most of us here are too exhausted to work

out at all. You don't want to get that way!

I have taken the best natural vitamins and supplements for years as well

as a good organic diet, and while I wouldn't be without any of this it

didn't fix my thyroid.

I am now back on the road to health because I take thyroid hormones and

I take a lot of them. I also take melatonin, progesterone and

testosterone - all bio-identical - it is all helping enormously.

I was and still am very sceptical of western medicine - but when my

daughter received life saving surgery at 6 months old - I was forced to

acknowledge that western medicine does have a good side - now I use it

to help me where it can and then I apply my own intelligence to how I go

about healing myself.

I hope this is helpful to you - you will get lots of good info

on this board and much of it holistic but I can't in good faith tell you

that in your situation you'll get better without hormones.

Regards,

Kerry

Re: Introducing myself

Hi I am new to this as well so I am assuming when I reply to

you it is going to everyone??? Anyway, I have been off of synthroid for

9 yrs. and on all natural remedies since, I have felt great.......until

I got pregnant, miscarried, and now my thyroid has not been the same and

I have a goiter. I am seeking alternative help because I refuse to be

on a synthetic drug for the rest of my life. I am currently taking

" dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in New Zealand. I also take a

supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on Dr. Dane's website.

I am doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea vegetable, and

yoga!!! It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with this.

Like I said, all of this was completely helping me until I got pregnant

and now I am not and can not get my gland to go back the way it was. I

wish you luck and I am hoping I can find some holistic help on this

site. :0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hello thanks for your story and sorry to hear about your daughter. I only feel

good when I take the natural stuff. I tried synthroid again recently and could

not workout, I was too tired, my constipation came back, and I was depressed and

irritable. I went back on the natural and started the acupuncture and

chiropractic and yoga and once again feel like myself. I will have to stay with

what works best for me and taking a synthetic with ingredients that have been

known to be in the top 5 cancer causing list, will never be it. I am willing to

go on synthroid if I choose to try and have a baby and the reason why is so that

my levels can be properly monitered throughout the pregnancy but as long as I am

not trying to get pregnant I will stay as natural as I can. Thanks again.

- Oh, and no since I am back on the glandular tissues I have no other

symptoms, when I was back on the synthroid I had all the symptoms (constipation,

dry everything, moodiness, brain fog,

etc...the goiter came after the pregnancy)

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: HI ,

Apart from your goitre do you have other symptoms?

I was just like you several years ago - ill and wanting to stay

completely away from drugs and western medicine. I had been vegetarian

for most of my life and in good health.

At 24 I had a daughter born with life threatening heart and lung

disease. I suspect that I was low thyroid and her complications were a

direct result of this. I can only say this in hindsight however - but

now that I am used to how thyroid symptoms look and feel I would say

with certainty that this is what happened.

My feeling is that without extreme stress (like pregnancy, divorce,

money issues etc) my thyroid copes OK but otherwise it dose not - and no

amount of holistic lifestyle made any difference to this.

I was very strict with my diet and lifestyle choices in my 20's and

30's. I was happy and loved my way of life - But I have concluded

that if a natural lifestyle could have got my thyroid in balance then it

would have happened in all those years!

So I have had to change my thinking. I still do not take drugs but I

have made my peace with bio-identical hormones. They are exactly the

same as your body produces - I react badly to nearly every drug I have

ever taken but the hormones do not effect me badly.

I tried Armour for awhile and like you I am not so happy taking animal

hormones - and in any case I seem to do better on the synthetic

combination of T4 and time release T3. These are bio-identical and made

in a lab.

My impression from what you have said so far is if your choices have not

made you well to date under the more extreme circumstances like a

pregnancy, they are not likely to in the future. Secondly I would

caution you about getting pregnant again with your thyroid function so

poor - your baby could end up sick.

I am guessing that because you are still working our twice a day you are

not too ill yet - many if not most of us here are too exhausted to work

out at all. You don't want to get that way!

I have taken the best natural vitamins and supplements for years as well

as a good organic diet, and while I wouldn't be without any of this it

didn't fix my thyroid.

I am now back on the road to health because I take thyroid hormones and

I take a lot of them. I also take melatonin, progesterone and

testosterone - all bio-identical - it is all helping enormously.

I was and still am very sceptical of western medicine - but when my

daughter received life saving surgery at 6 months old - I was forced to

acknowledge that western medicine does have a good side - now I use it

to help me where it can and then I apply my own intelligence to how I go

about healing myself.

I hope this is helpful to you - you will get lots of good info

on this board and much of it holistic but I can't in good faith tell you

that in your situation you'll get better without hormones.

Regards,

Kerry

Re: Introducing myself

Hi I am new to this as well so I am assuming when I reply to

you it is going to everyone??? Anyway, I have been off of synthroid for

9 yrs. and on all natural remedies since, I have felt great.......until

I got pregnant, miscarried, and now my thyroid has not been the same and

I have a goiter. I am seeking alternative help because I refuse to be

on a synthetic drug for the rest of my life. I am currently taking

" dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in New Zealand. I also take a

supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on Dr. Dane's website.

I am doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea vegetable, and

yoga!!! It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with this.

Like I said, all of this was completely helping me until I got pregnant

and now I am not and can not get my gland to go back the way it was. I

wish you luck and I am hoping I can find some holistic help on this

site. :0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thanks - she's grown up now.

if the goitre is your only issue then you are probably right to try to

shrink it naturally - have you tried iodine?

By the way I wasn't aware of ingredients in the " top 5 cancer causing

list " in bio-identical hormones - can you say what they are?

Synthroid is just one brand and it is known to cause problems - some

speculate because of the binders - I don't take it so can't comment. But

if you do have to take hormone in the future you should probably try

another brand since you react to it so badly. Something that makes you

that sick simply could not be doing your thyroid any good at all. IMO

I'm sorry of I misunderstood the severity of your situation - if I had

realised you are basically well I wouldn't have bothered you with my

life story - my mistake.

I wish you well,

Kerry

Re: Introducing myself

Hi I am new to this as well so I am assuming when I reply to

you it is going to everyone??? Anyway, I have been off of synthroid for

9 yrs. and on all natural remedies since, I have felt great.......until

I got pregnant, miscarried, and now my thyroid has not been the same and

I have a goiter. I am seeking alternative help because I refuse to be

on a synthetic drug for the rest of my life. I am currently taking

" dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in New Zealand. I also take a

supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on Dr. Dane's website.

I am doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea vegetable, and

yoga!!! It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with this. Like

I said, all of this was completely helping me until I got pregnant and

now I am not and can not get my gland to go back the way it was. I wish

you luck and I am hoping I can find some holistic help on this site.

:0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thanks - she's grown up now.

if the goitre is your only issue then you are probably right to try to

shrink it naturally - have you tried iodine?

By the way I wasn't aware of ingredients in the " top 5 cancer causing

list " in bio-identical hormones - can you say what they are?

Synthroid is just one brand and it is known to cause problems - some

speculate because of the binders - I don't take it so can't comment. But

if you do have to take hormone in the future you should probably try

another brand since you react to it so badly. Something that makes you

that sick simply could not be doing your thyroid any good at all. IMO

I'm sorry of I misunderstood the severity of your situation - if I had

realised you are basically well I wouldn't have bothered you with my

life story - my mistake.

I wish you well,

Kerry

Re: Introducing myself

Hi I am new to this as well so I am assuming when I reply to

you it is going to everyone??? Anyway, I have been off of synthroid for

9 yrs. and on all natural remedies since, I have felt great.......until

I got pregnant, miscarried, and now my thyroid has not been the same and

I have a goiter. I am seeking alternative help because I refuse to be

on a synthetic drug for the rest of my life. I am currently taking

" dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in New Zealand. I also take a

supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on Dr. Dane's website.

I am doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea vegetable, and

yoga!!! It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with this. Like

I said, all of this was completely helping me until I got pregnant and

now I am not and can not get my gland to go back the way it was. I wish

you luck and I am hoping I can find some holistic help on this site.

:0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Don't apologize, your life story was appreciated and so was your information.

It has been yrs. since I researched synthroid but 9 yrs ago when I took myself

off of it I know that one of the main ingredients is talc, which I have read and

learned many times is one of the top 5 cancer causers, but I'm sure everyone can

list their own top 5. Where can I get the iodine? Last time I checked my TSH

it was 11.8 and that was when I was 2 months pregnant, have not checked it since

March. I am going to get it checked in a few weeks to see if it went back down

to the 4.5 it was at before the pregnancy. I'm sorry, did you mention what you

are taking? Maybe I will suggest something other than synthroid when I think

about getting pregnant again. Have a nice weekend and thanks in advance for any

info.....

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote: Thanks - she's grown up now.

if the goitre is your only issue then you are probably right to try to

shrink it naturally - have you tried iodine?

By the way I wasn't aware of ingredients in the " top 5 cancer causing

list " in bio-identical hormones - can you say what they are?

Synthroid is just one brand and it is known to cause problems - some

speculate because of the binders - I don't take it so can't comment. But

if you do have to take hormone in the future you should probably try

another brand since you react to it so badly. Something that makes you

that sick simply could not be doing your thyroid any good at all. IMO

I'm sorry of I misunderstood the severity of your situation - if I had

realised you are basically well I wouldn't have bothered you with my

life story - my mistake.

I wish you well,

Kerry

Re: Introducing myself

Hi I am new to this as well so I am assuming when I reply to

you it is going to everyone??? Anyway, I have been off of synthroid for

9 yrs. and on all natural remedies since, I have felt great.......until

I got pregnant, miscarried, and now my thyroid has not been the same and

I have a goiter. I am seeking alternative help because I refuse to be

on a synthetic drug for the rest of my life. I am currently taking

" dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in New Zealand. I also take a

supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on Dr. Dane's website.

I am doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea vegetable, and

yoga!!! It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with this. Like

I said, all of this was completely helping me until I got pregnant and

now I am not and can not get my gland to go back the way it was. I wish

you luck and I am hoping I can find some holistic help on this site.

:0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ... I tried synthroid again recently and could not workout, I was too tired,

my constipation came

> back, and I was depressed and irritable. ...

Those are all symptoms of not getting enough Synthroid. You really ought

to try a sufficient dose before you rule it out.

> ... taking a synthetic with ingredients that have been known to be in the top

5

> cancer causing list, will never be it. ...

What ingredients are those? Whose list? That is a pretty serious charge.

Can you document it?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I have been on so many different doses of synthroid between ages 17 and 25 and

then again this past yr. Synthroid is not an option for me unless I am

pregnant and only because I will need to monitor it and know whether to increase

or decrease doses which is not somehthing you can do with natural glandular

tissue. I know that Talc used to be one of the main ingredients yrs. ago, I do

not know the main ingredients anymore because I do not study synthroid like I

used to. All I know is that for about 8 yrs. I took only natural remedies after

being on synthroid for 7 years and I felt the best on the natural stuff. Since

my short pregnancy everything has changed and now I am trying to find my

balance.

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: ,

You wrote:

> ... I tried synthroid again recently and could not workout, I was too tired,

my constipation came

> back, and I was depressed and irritable. ...

Those are all symptoms of not getting enough Synthroid. You really ought

to try a sufficient dose before you rule it out.

> ... taking a synthetic with ingredients that have been known to be in the top

5

> cancer causing list, will never be it. ...

What ingredients are those? Whose list? That is a pretty serious charge.

Can you document it?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>... It has been yrs. since I researched synthroid but 9 yrs

> ago when I took myself off of it I know that one of the main ingredients

> is talc, which I have read and learned many times is one of the top 5

> cancer causers, but I'm sure everyone can list their own top 5. ...

That is patent nonsense. At the worst imaginable, talc has unknown but

extremely mild carcinogenicity, but the evidence even for that is not

convincing and efforts to have it classed as dangerous have been met

with strong opposition from experts in the field.

Talc has been associated with an increased risk of lung cancer when

chronically inhaled. However, just about anything, any sort of dust,

even cotton fibers, will increase the risk of lung cancer when inhaled.

Yet, we don't find a ban on underwear or cotton shirts. I tell my

students, that if something is not nitrogen, oxygen, or water vapor, it

probably will cause problems if chronically inhaled. However, that

doesn't make it a carcinogen.

The risk of uterine cancer from talc is still being hotly debated.

Again, the only marginal data is from _substantial_ _chronic_ exposure

applied externally to the genitals, not taken internally.

What is more, talc is the sixth of the _inert_ ingredients in Synthroid.

That means there is barely a trace there, nowhere near the levels of

exposure that are still quite controversial. The sugar content is more

of a hazard.

There are hundreds of true carcinogens out there, many in our foods,

that deserve more attention than talc.

http://www.luzenac.com/pdf/epidemio/WEHNER%202002.pdf

Chuck

[Guest guest]

PLEASE

this is totally ridiculous. you can monitor yourself just fine on Armour,

it is a USP med. It is not advisable to dose to tests anyway, you treat

the symptoms. PLEASE

Do you understand that millions of women have had healthy pregnancies on

Armour? I would want Armour over $inthroid while pregnant to ensure the

best results.

Time to do more research.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

gracia

I have been on so many different doses of synthroid between ages 17 and 25

and then again this past yr. Synthroid is not an option for me unless I am

pregnant and only because I will need to monitor it and know whether to

increase or decrease doses which is not somehthing you can do with natural

glandular tissue. I know that Talc used to be one of the main ingredients

yrs. ago, I do not know the main ingredients anymore because I do not study

synthroid like I used to. All I know is that for about 8 yrs. I took only

natural remedies after being on synthroid for 7 years and I felt the best on

the natural stuff. Since my short pregnancy everything has changed and now

I am trying to find my balance.

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[Guest guest]

cool....thank you, I will remember that when I am about to consider trying to

conceive. You give me pregnancy/thyroid hope.

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

PLEASE

this is totally ridiculous. you can monitor yourself just fine on Armour,

it is a USP med. It is not advisable to dose to tests anyway, you treat

the symptoms. PLEASE

Do you understand that millions of women have had healthy pregnancies on

Armour? I would want Armour over $inthroid while pregnant to ensure the

best results.

Time to do more research.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

gracia

I have been on so many different doses of synthroid between ages 17 and 25

and then again this past yr. Synthroid is not an option for me unless I am

pregnant and only because I will need to monitor it and know whether to

increase or decrease doses which is not somehthing you can do with natural

glandular tissue. I know that Talc used to be one of the main ingredients

yrs. ago, I do not know the main ingredients anymore because I do not study

synthroid like I used to. All I know is that for about 8 yrs. I took only

natural remedies after being on synthroid for 7 years and I felt the best on

the natural stuff. Since my short pregnancy everything has changed and now

I am trying to find my balance.

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[Guest guest]

COOL. good to know. However, synthroid will never be an option for me, however

it is good to know that it is not as bad as I have read. I hope your stats are

correct. I will stay on natural until I decide to try to conceive and at that

time I will inquire more about armour, thanks Gracia!

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: ,

You wrote:

>... It has been yrs. since I researched synthroid but 9 yrs

> ago when I took myself off of it I know that one of the main ingredients

> is talc, which I have read and learned many times is one of the top 5

> cancer causers, but I'm sure everyone can list their own top 5. ...

That is patent nonsense. At the worst imaginable, talc has unknown but

extremely mild carcinogenicity, but the evidence even for that is not

convincing and efforts to have it classed as dangerous have been met

with strong opposition from experts in the field.

Talc has been associated with an increased risk of lung cancer when

chronically inhaled. However, just about anything, any sort of dust,

even cotton fibers, will increase the risk of lung cancer when inhaled.

Yet, we don't find a ban on underwear or cotton shirts. I tell my

students, that if something is not nitrogen, oxygen, or water vapor, it

probably will cause problems if chronically inhaled. However, that

doesn't make it a carcinogen.

The risk of uterine cancer from talc is still being hotly debated.

Again, the only marginal data is from _substantial_ _chronic_ exposure

applied externally to the genitals, not taken internally.

What is more, talc is the sixth of the _inert_ ingredients in Synthroid.

That means there is barely a trace there, nowhere near the levels of

exposure that are still quite controversial. The sugar content is more

of a hazard.

There are hundreds of true carcinogens out there, many in our foods,

that deserve more attention than talc.

http://www.luzenac.com/pdf/epidemio/WEHNER%202002.pdf

Chuck

[Guest guest]

p.s. I agree to the carcinogens in our food, which is why I am impossible to

dine with. I eat 90% organic and try to only eat my own cooked food. I stay

very clear of animal and their by products, not for thyroid reasons but for all

around well being. Once again, I appreciate all of your info, Chuck, but I will

not go the synthroid direction ever again. I am quite content with what I am

doing and will look into other things when I decide to conceive. Thank you and

everyone else for your shared stories and information.

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote: COOL. good to know. However,

synthroid will never be an option for me, however it is good to know that it is

not as bad as I have read. I hope your stats are correct. I will stay on

natural until I decide to try to conceive and at that time I will inquire more

about armour, thanks Gracia!

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: ,

You wrote:

>... It has been yrs. since I researched synthroid but 9 yrs

> ago when I took myself off of it I know that one of the main ingredients

> is talc, which I have read and learned many times is one of the top 5

> cancer causers, but I'm sure everyone can list their own top 5. ...

That is patent nonsense. At the worst imaginable, talc has unknown but

extremely mild carcinogenicity, but the evidence even for that is not

convincing and efforts to have it classed as dangerous have been met

with strong opposition from experts in the field.

Talc has been associated with an increased risk of lung cancer when

chronically inhaled. However, just about anything, any sort of dust,

even cotton fibers, will increase the risk of lung cancer when inhaled.

Yet, we don't find a ban on underwear or cotton shirts. I tell my

students, that if something is not nitrogen, oxygen, or water vapor, it

probably will cause problems if chronically inhaled. However, that

doesn't make it a carcinogen.

The risk of uterine cancer from talc is still being hotly debated.

Again, the only marginal data is from _substantial_ _chronic_ exposure

applied externally to the genitals, not taken internally.

What is more, talc is the sixth of the _inert_ ingredients in Synthroid.

That means there is barely a trace there, nowhere near the levels of

exposure that are still quite controversial. The sugar content is more

of a hazard.

There are hundreds of true carcinogens out there, many in our foods,

that deserve more attention than talc.

http://www.luzenac.com/pdf/epidemio/WEHNER%202002.pdf

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> COOL. good to know. However, synthroid will never be an option for me,

> however it is good to know that it is not as bad as I have read. ...

Some people do have allergic or sensitivity type reactions to the inert

ingredients in it or its generics, particularly to the food colorings,

but your symptoms sound more like under-medication. And, because of the

feedback loop that manages T4 in the body, you can have a momentary but

paradoxical DECREASE in the adverse effects when you stop the meds. This

can contribute to the illusion that the meds are causing the symptoms

rather than relieving them.

However, this kind of oscillation only happens when you still have at

least some partial thyroid function. In that case, other types of

supplements might also have a beneficial effect, as you seem to have

experienced. Most of us on the list have substantial if not total

thyroid loss, so we really need the hormone replacement. If your partial

condition is due to an autoimmune attack (Hashimoto's) it could well

progress until the thyroid is completely gone. In that case, I hope you

won't hesitate to get one of the replacements, whether Armour or

synthetic T4.

The synthetics, incidentally, are bio-identical. They are not just

chemicals that mimic the action of natural T4 or T3 (in Cytomel), they

are the same molecule, just produced in a lab, rather than in an animal.

As we have discussed here before, the only truly " natural " thyroid

medication would require injection of a personally balanced ratio of T4,

T3, T2, and T1, directly into the blood stream. Eating dessicated animal

glands, with arbitrary ratios of these components, is every bit as

unnatural as taking a synthetic, although BOTH can work.

If we are going to distinguish between them, it should be on the basis

of which works best for each individual, but not on which is " natural. "

Some of us do not seem to need the T3 at all. Some need less T3 than

Armour provides; some seem to need more.

Best,

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> p.s. I agree to the carcinogens in our food, which is why I am

> impossible to dine with. I eat 90% organic and try to only eat my own

> cooked food. ...

Cooking at high temperatures, especially roasting, broiling, and frying,

makes more carcinogens than any farmer adds to his crop. It also can

make some trans fats.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I'm talking about animals being loaded with antibiotics, bovine hormone and

diseased from birth until they land on your plate. That, howver is for another

website. I do not roast, broil, or fry, but thanks for the input.

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: ,

You wrote:

> p.s. I agree to the carcinogens in our food, which is why I am

> impossible to dine with. I eat 90% organic and try to only eat my own

> cooked food. ...

Cooking at high temperatures, especially roasting, broiling, and frying,

makes more carcinogens than any farmer adds to his crop. It also can

make some trans fats.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: ,

You wrote:

> COOL. good to know. However, synthroid will never be an option for me,

> however it is good to know that it is not as bad as I have read. ...

Some people do have allergic or sensitivity type reactions to the inert

ingredients in it or its generics, particularly to the food colorings,

but your symptoms sound more like under-medication. And, because of the

feedback loop that manages T4 in the body, you can have a momentary but

paradoxical DECREASE in the adverse effects when you stop the meds. This

can contribute to the illusion that the meds are causing the symptoms

rather than relieving them.

However, this kind of oscillation only happens when you still have at

least some partial thyroid function. In that case, other types of

supplements might also have a beneficial effect, as you seem to have

experienced. Most of us on the list have substantial if not total

thyroid loss, so we really need the hormone replacement. If your partial

condition is due to an autoimmune attack (Hashimoto's) it could well

progress until the thyroid is completely gone. In that case, I hope you

won't hesitate to get one of the replacements, whether Armour or

synthetic T4.

The synthetics, incidentally, are bio-identical. They are not just

chemicals that mimic the action of natural T4 or T3 (in Cytomel), they

are the same molecule, just produced in a lab, rather than in an animal.

As we have discussed here before, the only truly " natural " thyroid

medication would require injection of a personally balanced ratio of T4,

T3, T2, and T1, directly into the blood stream. Eating dessicated animal

glands, with arbitrary ratios of these components, is every bit as

unnatural as taking a synthetic, although BOTH can work.

If we are going to distinguish between them, it should be on the basis

of which works best for each individual, but not on which is " natural. "

Some of us do not seem to need the T3 at all. Some need less T3 than

Armour provides; some seem to need more.

Best,

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hey and ,

I too got pregnant and then miscarried...then diagnosed with hashi, was on

synthroid...gained a ton a weight, became vegan...not a big difference...finally

went off synthroid all together...lost a bunch of weight...now levels are

creeping back up...I don't want to go on any animal products...only I would

consider sheep...I won't touch pig.

Thanks for sharing your stories.

Blessings!

<tiffany24mw@...> wrote:

My name is I have had problems with my thyroid since 1992. I was

pregnant and had a miscarriage too.

Stanziale <massageme429@...> wrote: Hi I am new to this

as well so I am assuming when I reply to you it is going to everyone??? Anyway,

I have been off of synthroid for 9 yrs. and on all natural remedies since, I

have felt great.......until I got pregnant, miscarried, and now my thyroid has

not been the same and I have a goiter. I am seeking alternative help because I

refuse to be on a synthetic drug for the rest of my life. I am currently taking

" dried freeze thyroid tissues " from cows in New Zealand. I also take a

supplement called " rev it up " which you can find on Dr. Dane's website. I am

doing acupuncture, chiropractice, zinc, calcium, sea vegetable, and yoga!!!

It's crazy I know but I can't see going western with this. Like I said, all of

this was completely helping me until I got pregnant and now I am not and can not

get my gland to go back the way it was. I wish you luck and I am hoping I can

find some holistic help on this site. :0)

michelle_poelsterl <michelle_poelsterl@...> wrote: Hi my name is

and I am new to this group. I was diagnosed

with hypothyroid disease in May 2004 after I went through an unusual

weight gain that began in January 2004. I have been through 2 family

physicans who have interest in thyroid issues and am seeing my second

endocronologist. She is finally explaining to me what a normal range

is and believes me when I say my weight problems are thyroid related.

I keep reading about a lot of herbal supplements and other vitamins

that may help. I guess I'm looking for weight management advice

besides diet and exercise, which I feel I do great with.

I look forward to hearing others share experiences.

Thanks,