RE: Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

[Guest guest]

Maybe the kids do well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What do y'all think?

In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well" in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment, with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

absolutely, we figured that out years ago so tried structuring/scheduling summers, it wasnt so much " vacation " but worked wonders.  of course now we have the opposite, school is too stimulating so she did better over the summer than before and now

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:02 PM, <kristieannesmama@...> wrote:

 

Maybe the kids do well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What do y'all think?

 

In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do " well " in school, but not in the community.  Just because the proper environment, with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

-- -mommy to Emma, Becca, , , , and Leah

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with this and this is what

I have been saying.. That the control structured environment of the school,

with strict routine and supports is what is yielding results.  Just because the

are getting positive results does NOT mean the issues do not exist.  They

disagree and have found him ineligible for an IEP and we decided on Mediation. 

My Advocate asked they do a 45 assessment at a Therapeutic School

and would give up the mediation, they agreed. 

This is where he is right now.  The

classroom has just 4 children and 2 teachers and they have all special classes

that they wont have in the regular classroom.  The regular Kindergarten that

they wanted to put him in had 20 children 1 teacher and an aide.  The school is

massive and my son would be totally overwhelmed.  I can imagine since he is

doing well, the school will fight him staying there (not wanting to pay) and

won’t take into account he is doing well because of the small ratio and

therapeutic school setting!  I

I’ll keep you posted, there is an

interim meeting Nov 1.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kristieannesmama@...

Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010

2:02 PM

Subject: Re: ( )

Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do

well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having

Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A

LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What

do y'all think?

In a message dated

10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@...

writes:

Seems that many

parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do " well "

in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment,

with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does

NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to add that even at 16 the large school makes the difference in success or failure. My DD, whom I have talked about before, was so scared and excited to start high school after having a good experience at a small private school. She is dyslexic and AS as well as ADHD. Public school here in Florida is a disaster. Tuesday will be Nov. 2 . the first meeting that the Behavioral Analyst is holding to give us his results and his suggestions. It will also most likely be the day the high school dumps my daughter where ever they dump the kids they won't keep in their "School of Excellence". After months of begging for help and accommodations and getting minimal things like and extra day to turn in homework.. she was melting down by 7th period almost every day. 7th period by the way is the

football coach who gives a power point every day with lights and loud sounds and they kids are supposed to fill in the blanks of notes. She can't write fast and functions at a 2nd grade level with writing (still prints large and spells poorly) One minimal accommodation is that she is to get the teachers notes since she can't write. Well, I guess giving her the power point with blanks to fill in, as he was giving all the students seemed sufficient to him. I could not get any one to understand that she can't function under these circumstances. In Florida, if a student makes any self destructive statement or statement of depression, the police are called to haul them off to the mental hospital which the parents must pay for. So, anyway, when she went to the counselor to tell her she was frustrated the counselor told her to write down her feelings. My daughter aptly said she felt like hitting a brick wall. Well, the police were called and they were about to

take her to the mental hospital. Since she has been under psychiatrists care for disorders since 2nd grade and already had an appointment the next AM they let me take her home, but she couldn't return to school until the meeting on Tuesday and then I am sure they will get rid of her. I think education is becoming absolutely crazy. I think it is actually dangerous to some children and this no child left behind is a way for the "good students" parents to get rid of the special ed and slower students in a very convoluted way. At least here in Florida the message is "If you have a problem, get out! " This is horrible! From: Blessed Mom <blessedmom1305@...> Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 6:44:27 PMSubject: RE: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

I totally agree with this and this is what

I have been saying.. That the control structured environment of the school,

with strict routine and supports is what is yielding results. Just because the

are getting positive results does NOT mean the issues do not exist. They

disagree and have found him ineligible for an IEP and we decided on Mediation.

My Advocate asked they do a 45 assessment at a Therapeutic School and would give up the mediation, they agreed. This is where he is right now. The

classroom has just 4 children and 2 teachers and they have all special classes

that they wont have in the regular classroom. The regular Kindergarten that

they wanted to put him in had 20 children 1 teacher and an aide. The school is

massive and my son would be totally overwhelmed. I can imagine since he is

doing well, the school will fight him staying there (not wanting to pay) and

won’t take into account he is doing well because of the small ratio and

therapeutic school setting! I I’ll keep you posted, there is an

interim meeting Nov 1.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kristieannesmama@...

Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010

2:02 PM

Subject: Re: ( )

Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do

well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having

Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A

LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What

do y'all think?

In a message dated

10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many

parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well"

in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment,

with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does

NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

Wow, sounds like the school has totally failed your dd. Please do not blame NCLB for this nonsense. It is actually meant to be proactive and help kids before they fall too far behind or require special help. Look for and find an advocate to help you.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

Re: ( )

Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do

well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having

Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A

LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What

do y'all think?

In a message dated

10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many

parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well"

in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment,

with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does

NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

I do need to look for an advocate but right now I am rejuvenating after an exhausting fall. The school did get rid of her, and place her in a day school where she is in one classroom, 9-12 grades and probably not much of an education, but at least she isn't terrified and melting down. I am not so sure about that NCLB being proactive for the failing child. I worked in schools for 33 years and we taught everyone in unique ways. We had vocational programs and special ed classrooms that never quite did as well as normal classrooms. I also was in many staff meetings in recent years that discussed NCLB and how impossible it is to be successful in it, as it requires the schools to improve every year ... that is, this year's 9th has to score higher than last year's 9th percentage wise, compared to a norm

group. Every year you have to improve until you are 100%. That is statistically impossible. The best way to improve your score is to not have the low scorers take the test. In some schools they asked the low scorers to stay home the day of the test. Now they make the schools accountable for every student enrolled, so the only way to not count the low scorers is to get them out of the school. If that means shipping them to private schools or day schools, so be it. If they aren't special ed, it is easier. Just put the academic pressure on them and when they rebel... expel. I am pretty old and experienced. My advice for you is to be cautious in life and especially education. Not every law or every one who talks a good story or looks good on paper is really out there to help you .So many "experts" will tell you that Europe and Asia are ahead of us in education. But do they tell you that those statistics at the upper grades are based on only 10% of the

population, the upper 10%. They have already flushed out the lower level students after 8th grade. At least in Europe they offer these students vocational training, unlike the U.S. in most places. I am very afraid of what public education is becoming and I used to be a strong advocate. I didn't believe that private school and homeschooling were better, but I am seeing that for any student who is at all different, that is the only option left. Sorry if you don't agree..maybe some places still have good schools.. Not here, for sure. From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 6:59:36 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Wow, sounds like the school has totally failed your dd. Please do not blame NCLB for this nonsense. It is actually meant to be proactive and help kids before they fall too far behind or require special help. Look for and find an advocate to help you.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

Re: ( )

Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do

well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having

Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A

LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What

do y'all think?

In a message dated

10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many

parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well"

in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment,

with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does

NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

I agree that these PSSA tests are not fair...how can they be? How do they expect the children with learning disabilities to be proficient on them. And, if they aren't, then in their senior year they have to do extra time in school (90 extra hours if they are not proficient in math and reading). It is very unfair in my eyes.

But, now they are coming up with a new test for children with learning disabilites...only thing is for now only a few % of the children are going to be able to take this test. Hopefully in the future all children in Special Ed. or with learning disabilities will be able to take it.

Jan

"In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein

Success is not measured by one's position but by the obstacles one has overcome to obtain that position

From: sandee C <irsandee@...> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 7:33:20 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

I do need to look for an advocate but right now I am rejuvenating after an exhausting fall. The school did get rid of her, and place her in a day school where she is in one classroom, 9-12 grades and probably not much of an education, but at least she isn't terrified and melting down. I am not so sure about that NCLB being proactive for the failing child. I worked in schools for 33 years and we taught everyone in unique ways. We had vocational programs and special ed classrooms that never quite did as well as normal classrooms. I also was in many staff meetings in recent years that discussed NCLB and how impossible it is to be successful in it, as it requires the schools to improve every year ... that is, this year's 9th has to score higher than last year's 9th percentage wise, compared to a norm group. Every year you have to improve until you are 100%. That is

statistically impossible. The best way to improve your score is to not have the low scorers take the test. In some schools they asked the low scorers to stay home the day of the test. Now they make the schools accountable for every student enrolled, so the only way to not count the low scorers is to get them out of the school. If that means shipping them to private schools or day schools, so be it. If they aren't special ed, it is easier. Just put the academic pressure on them and when they rebel... expel. I am pretty old and experienced. My advice for you is to be cautious in life and especially education. Not every law or every one who talks a good story or looks good on paper is really out there to help you .So many "experts" will tell you that Europe and Asia are ahead of us in education. But do they tell you that those statistics at the upper grades are based on only 10% of the population, the upper 10%. They have already flushed out the lower

level students after 8th grade. At least in Europe they offer these students vocational training, unlike the U.S. in most places. I am very afraid of what public education is becoming and I used to be a strong advocate. I didn't believe that private school and homeschooling were better, but I am seeing that for any student who is at all different, that is the only option left. Sorry if you don't agree..maybe some places still have good schools.. Not here, for sure.

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 6:59:36 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Wow, sounds like the school has totally failed your dd. Please do not blame NCLB for this nonsense. It is actually meant to be proactive and help kids before they fall too far behind or require special help. Look for and find an advocate to help you.

Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

RE: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

I totally agree with this and this is what I have been saying.. That the control structured environment of the school, with strict routine and supports is what is yielding results. Just because the are getting positive results does NOT mean the issues do not exist. They disagree and have found him ineligible for an IEP and we decided on Mediation. My Advocate asked they do a 45 assessment at a Therapeutic School and would give up the mediation, they agreed.

This is where he is right now. The classroom has just 4 children and 2 teachers and they have all special classes that they wont have in the regular classroom. The regular Kindergarten that they wanted to put him in had 20 children 1 teacher and an aide. The school is massive and my son would be totally overwhelmed. I can imagine since he is doing well, the school will fight him staying there (not wanting to pay) and won’t take into account he is doing well because of the small ratio and therapeutic school setting! I

I’ll keep you posted, there is an interim meeting Nov 1.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kristieannesmama@...Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What do y'all think?

In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well" in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment, with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

I think in Florida the students are held back each time they do not pass the FCAT. This forces the slower kids to go to private schools to escape not being promoted over and over. The testing programs are losing some emphasis but that may come back now if the legislators change mode again. From: rushen janice <jrushen@...> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 7:43:53 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

I agree that these PSSA tests are not fair...how can they be? How do they expect the children with learning disabilities to be proficient on them. And, if they aren't, then in their senior year they have to do extra time in school (90 extra hours if they are not proficient in math and reading). It is very unfair in my eyes.

But, now they are coming up with a new test for children with learning disabilites...only thing is for now only a few % of the children are going to be able to take this test. Hopefully in the future all children in Special Ed. or with learning disabilities will be able to take it.

Jan

"In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein

Success is not measured by one's position but by the obstacles one has overcome to obtain that position

From: sandee C <irsandee@...> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 7:33:20 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

I do need to look for an advocate but right now I am rejuvenating after an exhausting fall. The school did get rid of her, and place her in a day school where she is in one classroom, 9-12 grades and probably not much of an education, but at least she isn't terrified and melting down. I am not so sure about that NCLB being proactive for the failing child. I worked in schools for 33 years and we taught everyone in unique ways. We had vocational programs and special ed classrooms that never quite did as well as normal classrooms. I also was in many staff meetings in recent years that discussed NCLB and how impossible it is to be successful in it, as it requires the schools to improve every year ... that is, this year's 9th has to score higher than last year's 9th percentage wise, compared to a norm group. Every year you have to improve until you are 100%. That is

statistically impossible. The best way to improve your score is to not have the low scorers take the test. In some schools they asked the low scorers to stay home the day of the test. Now they make the schools accountable for every student enrolled, so the only way to not count the low scorers is to get them out of the school. If that means shipping them to private schools or day schools, so be it. If they aren't special ed, it is easier. Just put the academic pressure on them and when they rebel... expel. I am pretty old and experienced. My advice for you is to be cautious in life and especially education. Not every law or every one who talks a good story or looks good on paper is really out there to help you .So many "experts" will tell you that Europe and Asia are ahead of us in education. But do they tell you that those statistics at the upper grades are based on only 10% of the population, the upper 10%. They have already flushed out the lower

level students after 8th grade. At least in Europe they offer these students vocational training, unlike the U.S. in most places. I am very afraid of what public education is becoming and I used to be a strong advocate. I didn't believe that private school and homeschooling were better, but I am seeing that for any student who is at all different, that is the only option left. Sorry if you don't agree..maybe some places still have good schools.. Not here, for sure.

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 6:59:36 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Wow, sounds like the school has totally failed your dd. Please do not blame NCLB for this nonsense. It is actually meant to be proactive and help kids before they fall too far behind or require special help. Look for and find an advocate to help you.

Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

RE: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

I totally agree with this and this is what I have been saying.. That the control structured environment of the school, with strict routine and supports is what is yielding results. Just because the are getting positive results does NOT mean the issues do not exist. They disagree and have found him ineligible for an IEP and we decided on Mediation. My Advocate asked they do a 45 assessment at a Therapeutic School and would give up the mediation, they agreed.

This is where he is right now. The classroom has just 4 children and 2 teachers and they have all special classes that they wont have in the regular classroom. The regular Kindergarten that they wanted to put him in had 20 children 1 teacher and an aide. The school is massive and my son would be totally overwhelmed. I can imagine since he is doing well, the school will fight him staying there (not wanting to pay) and won’t take into account he is doing well because of the small ratio and therapeutic school setting! I

I’ll keep you posted, there is an interim meeting Nov 1.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kristieannesmama@...Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What do y'all think?

In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well" in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment, with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

I do not believe any one law does everything, especially when working inside a bureaucracy like a school. But you were talking about NCLB being a way for parents with good students to get rid of sped students. I don't see how you can blame the law for that.

I also think that people have been working on ways to get rid of problem students since the first public school was opened. It's not a new concept. Schools aren't getting worse - they are pretty much the same as always. We do have an actual system in place at my local school to catch the kids who are falling through the cracks and help them catch up (RtI), which is new from NCLB. My youngest (dyslexic) benefited from it. When my older ds (also dyslexic and hfa) went through school, there was nothing there to help him. So I see some good stuff. If they have to count the sped scores, wah. I don't care. If that upsets some of the parents, another big sob. I don't care. They get away with what they are allowed to get away with. A lot of problems in education, but I would be blaming NCLB at the top of my list.

As for sped services and vocational services being behind, I think it very well can be! You have to be very on top of what is going on with your kid. My oldest was failed by the system or lack of a system. But that just made me learn the system and be very proactive where my other kids were concerned. I wrote most of my middle ds's IEPs when he started school. We had measurable goals that he met, not just empty goals that carried over to the next year, every year. The teacher said he was her only student who was working his way out of sped. Well, that was the goal. Should be the goal!

We also have some great vocational services here really. But that has nothing to do with NCLB, good or bad so you can't blame that on the law either. NCLB got a lot of bad press and I kept waiting to see how it would affect my kids. I never saw much bad and most of it was good. Lot's of whining from school staff, that was the biggest negative. Teachers in the sped departments at the high school all got moved around...seems they suddenly had to be certified to teach what they were teaching. I had no clue you could teach without being certified in that subject but if it was "just" the sped kids, I guess nobody paid attention until it became a law. The school implemented a reading program for high schoolers - after my oldest had left...but still it made me happy to see that go into place. They brought in extra services for reading delays in the younger grades. And of course, they changed how they taught reading to begin with - to keep in line with the law, they implemented scientifically proven methodology to teach reading to all the kids. And the system did work for my youngest - picking him up as needed extra reading help, which he then got. But it later failed him for another reason. At any rate, I never thought public education was a wonderful thing. I have 5 kids and they all had sped services at some point. I think things have gotten better, not worse, where sped is concerned. But there is still a lot of things to be improved upon. I just don't blame NCLB for them all.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

Re: ( )

Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do

well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having

Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A

LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What

do y'all think?

In a message dated

10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many

parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well"

in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment,

with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does

NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

I think that is a valid problem but I also think it's important to hold these kids to a higher standard than has been done in the past. My oldest (hfa, dysleixa) always failed state testing and nobody cared except me. I went to countless meetings before I learned better, where I was told it wasn't their problem, he was just not that bright, etc. When the laws were changed, they suddenly took an interest in his passing these tests but by then he had failed for so long. There are a lot of sped students who should be making enough progress to be at grade level - that should be the goal. So often, the kids get behind and they are taught more slowly, getting farther behind each year. They will act as if a sped student is supposed to be below level. I met that attitude a lot over the years.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What do y'all think?

In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well" in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment, with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

[Guest guest]

Yes, now they are teaching all student (Sped included) at Grade Level. My student went from a 5th grade level math book to learning Algebra and Geometry the next year. But they had a really great teacher and were able to do it. My thought though....did they retain it? I don't think so...maybe if this had been occurring all along, they might have.

But my problem right now it that it doesn't seem fair to make these kids stay after school for 45 hours of math and 45 hours of reading becuase they were not proficient on the tests. That means these kids were in school from 7-2:30 regular day and then 2:45 to 5:15 p.m until they had made up the hours. That is one heck of a long day. And, on top of this they had long bus rides home.

I am really not for all this testing....they teach the kids to pass the tests and waste too much teaching time preping them for the tests and then the wasted time taking the tests. School schedules get messed up, classes shortened....and it happens a month a time. And, now they are testing them in science and history. Oh boy!

Jan

"In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein

Success is not measured by one's position but by the obstacles one has overcome to obtain that position

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 11:34:39 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

I think that is a valid problem but I also think it's important to hold these kids to a higher standard than has been done in the past. My oldest (hfa, dysleixa) always failed state testing and nobody cared except me. I went to countless meetings before I learned better, where I was told it wasn't their problem, he was just not that bright, etc. When the laws were changed, they suddenly took an interest in his passing these tests but by then he had failed for so long. There are a lot of sped students who should be making enough progress to be at grade level - that should be the goal. So often, the kids get behind and they are taught more slowly, getting farther behind each year. They will act as if a sped student is supposed to be below level. I met that attitude

a lot over the years.

Roxanna"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

RE: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

I totally agree with this and this is what I have been saying.. That the control structured environment of the school, with strict routine and supports is what is yielding results. Just because the are getting positive results does NOT mean the issues do not exist. They disagree and have found him ineligible for an IEP and we decided on Mediation. My Advocate asked they do a 45 assessment at a Therapeutic School and would give up the mediation, they agreed.

This is where he is right now. The classroom has just 4 children and 2 teachers and they have all special classes that they wont have in the regular classroom. The regular Kindergarten that they wanted to put him in had 20 children 1 teacher and an aide. The school is massive and my son would be totally overwhelmed. I can imagine since he is doing well, the school will fight him staying there (not wanting to pay) and won’t take into account he is doing well because of the small ratio and therapeutic school setting! I

I’ll keep you posted, there is an interim meeting Nov 1.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kristieannesmama@...Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What do y'all think?

In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well" in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment, with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.

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Too bad they weren't teaching them at grade level to start with.

Roxanna

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predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

Re: ( ) Does your child do well in school, but not in the Com...

Maybe the kids do well in the school setting because it is more structured, and I found, having Asperger's myself, that structure and somewhat rigid scheduling makes me feel A LOT more secure and calm! Maybe that is what our children are feeling too. What do y'all think?

In a message dated 10/22/2010 1:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blessedmom1305@... writes:

Seems that many parents are being blamed for their child's issues when they do "well" in school, but not in the community. Just because the proper environment, with the right supports are in place and positive results are achieved - does NOT mean the illness, issues etc do not exist for the child.