Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 For me I really like this idea, reason being that my dd is right there. There are small quirks that many aspies have that even a hfa doesnt necesarily have so those quirks of hers make the knowledgable immediately think aspie but she is dx hfa. she is dx hfa b/c of a speech delay. however her speech delay was only in articulation, it was apparante as soon as she started talking and never got better on its own as she omitted sounds not substituted so she had it from 18 mo until she graduated from speech at nearly 6. yet some specialists would consider an articulation delay a speech delay and catagorize her hfa others though wouldnt, especially b/c she was advanced in receptive and expressive language so would catagorize her aspie. She is " officially " dx hfa b/c her dev ped believes any speech delay is a speech delay. However she was referred there by a psychiatrist and the school b/c both thought she might have aspergers. Her advocate can see how that is so easy to do b/c she no longer has a speech delay so you dont see or even talk abuot it but has so many aspie quirks. yet she may have a pragmatic language delay, we are waiting on that evaluation, they will start speech evaluations next week. Also I think no really knowledgable professional would dx her aspergers instead of hfa b/c of her other delays as a preschooler would exclude her (she had social and adapative behavioral delays dx at the age of 3½ by the school district). yet all those quirks that can be very subtly different between the dx are not even part of the dsm So for me it would be nice if they were catagorized more closely On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:45 AM, yadayada65 <donpark@...> wrote: There seems to be a lot of different mind sets on this issue I was wondering what everyone thought of the fact that soon the term: Asperger's will no longer exist and Aspies will be known to have Autism Spectrum Disorder. It has been suggested that it is to help those people who actually have Asperger's and to stop the trend of Asperger's being the latest designer diagnosis - it's amazing to me how many parents seem to want to have their child diagnosed even when they don't meet the criteria. Apparently the glamourous or 'romantic' views of Asperger's on TV, saying that famous people through history had it, etc. has made it popular. I love my son desperately, but wanting your child to have a disorder is weird. Any imput into the name change? Just curious. -- -mommy to Emma, Becca, , and Girl Scout cookies are coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 My issue is that by merging the categories and modifying the criteria, it becomes very hard to compare the new statistical data to the old data. Instead of some people arguing that the increase in the number of diagnoses are the result of more people being aware of Autism/Aspergers, they will argue that the increases are the result of the radial change in the diagnostic criteria. It will also become hard for researchers to find patterns comparing previous years' data to that created with DSM-V. I would guess it would be close to 10 years before you can claim there is any trend with the new criteria. There will be a transition period of a few years while doctors switch to the new criteria and get comfortable with it. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 I feel that it's much easier and helpful to say Asperger's Syndrome and then explain that it's in the Autism Spectrum Disorders, than it is to say Autism Spectrum Disorder and try to narrow it down to Asperger's. People look at my dd and hear the word autism and immediately think of something that doesn't match what my dd actually is. This can cause a variety of misunderstandings--whether she seems fine at the time (they want to disregard the fact that she really has heartwrenching issues she's dealing with) or whether they automatically stereotype her, etc. I'm concerned about this. > > There seems to be a lot of different mind sets on this issue I was wondering what everyone thought of the fact that soon the term: Asperger's will no longer exist and Aspies will be known to have Autism Spectrum Disorder. It has been suggested that it is to help those people who actually have Asperger's and to stop the trend of Asperger's being the latest designer diagnosis - it's amazing to me how many parents seem to want to have their child diagnosed even when they don't meet the criteria. Apparently the glamourous or 'romantic' views of Asperger's on TV, saying that famous people through history had it, etc. has made it popular. I love my son desperately, but wanting your child to have a disorder is weird. Any imput into the name change? Just curious. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 IMO the merge will cause more confusion in schools. most teachers in our school see autism ONLY as the severe type. the HFA/aspergers children they don't see on the spectrum at all even with the HFA or aspergers label. when they hear autism they still see that as classic autism and say your child of HFA/aspergers is not autistic! changing their classification to OHI. merging it all together will be great for the school - they'll be changing everyones classification to OHI because they don't fit their (school's) classification of autism. (but they can't change a medical dx). However- for most states the merge will be helpful for medical insurance reasons. Also, when the schools change the child's classification to OHI, then the CSE doesn't need to train their teachers in autism.(this also depends on which state/school district your in) From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernaker@...> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 8:33:36 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Asperger's diagnosis change in DSM-V My issue is that by merging the categories and modifying the criteria, it becomes very hard to compare the new statistical data to the old data. Instead of some people arguing that the increase in the number of diagnoses are the result of more people being aware of Autism/Aspergers, they will argue that the increases are the result of the radial change in the diagnostic criteria. It will also become hard for researchers to find patterns comparing previous years' data to that created with DSM-V. I would guess it would be close to 10 years before you can claim there is any trend with the new criteria. There will be a transition period of a few years while doctors switch to the new criteria and get comfortable with it.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Because I have a child with Asperger's and a younger child with classic austism, I am not in favor of the change. They are both SO different ... and I hope no one takes any offense at this but when my 10 year old was diagnosed with Asperger's, I have not explained to him that it was a form of autism, because honestly I thought it would freak him out for him to think he had the same diagnosis as his brother. > > There seems to be a lot of different mind sets on this issue I was wondering what everyone thought of the fact that soon the term: Asperger's will no longer exist and Aspies will be known to have Autism Spectrum Disorder. It has been suggested that it is to help those people who actually have Asperger's and to stop the trend of Asperger's being the latest designer diagnosis - it's amazing to me how many parents seem to want to have their child diagnosed even when they don't meet the criteria. Apparently the glamourous or 'romantic' views of Asperger's on TV, saying that famous people through history had it, etc. has made it popular. I love my son desperately, but wanting your child to have a disorder is weird. Any imput into the name change? Just curious. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 But, at least here, that happens now. Hfa kids don't have the advantage of a seperate dx like aspergers and they aren't the same as more severe autism so ppl don't get it, don't think they have it or they have nowhere to go. Aspergers in my state is considered an asd so covered under ryans law with autism and pdd-nos for insurance coverage. But my district doesn't have an aspergers or pdd-nos choice for iep so it would aready be ohi and hfa usually doesn't qualify under their standards for autism so they get ohi as well. I hav e read this happens in a lot of school ditrict. I don't think the new dsm is going to change that b/c I think it is already a problem that needs to be dealt with (and there is a committee fighting to have it changed in my state) On 4/5/10, Rose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: > IMO the merge will cause more confusion in schools. most teachers in our > school see autism ONLY as the severe type. the HFA/aspergers children they > don't see on the spectrum at all even with the HFA or aspergers label. when > they hear autism they still see that as classic autism and say your child of > HFA/aspergers is not autistic! changing their classification to OHI. > merging it all together will be great for the school - they'll be changing > everyones classification to OHI because they don't fit their (school's) > classification of autism. (but they can't change a medical dx). However- > for most states the merge will be helpful for medical insurance reasons. > Also, when the schools change the child's classification to OHI, then the > CSE doesn't need to train their teachers in autism. > (this also depends on which state/school district your in) > > > > ________________________________ > From: bucaroobonzai2003 <ssernaker@...> > > Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 8:33:36 PM > Subject: Re: ( ) Asperger's diagnosis change in DSM-V > > > My issue is that by merging the categories and modifying the criteria, it > becomes very hard to compare the new statistical data to the old data. > Instead of some people arguing that the increase in the number of diagnoses > are the result of more people being aware of Autism/Aspergers, they will > argue that the increases are the result of the radial change in the > diagnostic criteria. It will also become hard for researchers to find > patterns comparing previous years' data to that created with DSM-V. > > I would guess it would be close to 10 years before you can claim there is > any trend with the new criteria. There will be a transition period of a few > years while doctors switch to the new criteria and get comfortable with it. > > - > > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device -mommy to Emma, Becca, , and Girl Scout cookies are coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Hi, I do not see the glamorous or romantic views of Asperges. Having an Aspie is time consuming, overwhelming,etc. I feel sometimes as living in the middle of chaos. Good week, then suddenly a bad week that immerse my entire mind and body into this tremendous chaos. In my aspie case, Emotional pain, suffering, being tease, being bullied, isolation.Adding to this, also are the physical problems that comes with it. Low muscle tone that lead sometimes to not being able to do physical things that other children do. Epilepsy that makes people afraid baby sitting. My aspie girl has an average intelligency, with memory problem at time. She brings a brush with her when we go out, to brush herself and trick her senses when her senses get disturbed by smel, or other trigger... After years of going to physical and ocupationa therapist we are in charge now. Exercise and occupational therapy are for ever.... Depression comes alone with all those problems. If you are a single mother, dating is very hard. My boyfriend got mad at my aspie last year during vacation. She was difficult and he could not handle the situation. Takes a lot of compasion and love to put up with Aspies temper tamtrums and mood. Now what is the romance of that? Wlhat is the glamour? I am so tired dealing with her , at time my body crash. I take anti axiety pills. I am very devoted to her, I have not choice. I love her and I am her mother. My duty is to take care of her until she can take care of herself, but sometimes I get jelous of people that have normal life, I confort myself by thinking positive. I do not watch parenthood. I do not relate to it. I am a single mother with three or four friends around me. I do not have a social network. I barely have time to do the dishes at the end of the day.... I hate Aspergers... ( ) Asperger's diagnosis change in DSM-VThere seems to be a lot of different mind sets on this issue I was wondering what everyone thought of the fact that soon the term: Asperger's will no longer exist and Aspies will be known to have Autism Spectrum Disorder. It has been suggested that it is to help those people who actually have Asperger's and to stop the trend of Asperger's being the latest designer diagnosis - it's amazing to me how many parents seem to want to have their child diagnosed even when they don't meet the criteria. Apparently the glamourous or 'romantic' views of Asperger's on TV, saying that famous people through history had it, etc. has made it popular. I love my son desperately, but wanting your child to have a disorder is weird. Any imput into the name change? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 There's been a lot of discussion on the change in the definition of autism and Aspergers. Personally I welcome it for now because I think it will make it easier for my AS son to get more services in California. In California the Regional Center is where you go to get services and support for autism, but the way things are now, the Regional Center will turn away children with Aspergers since in their mind it technically isn't autism. Some people have managed to get their AS children qualified by Regional Center, but it seems to depend on conditions they have besides AS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I've never heard of anyone who considered AS as being viewed as a desired trend, despite any well-known names being associated with it. I can't imagine that anyone who truly understands everything about AS would ever want their child to have it, or have someone think they have it; because of all the misery that accompanies it--the cruel teasing/bullying, loneliness, sorrow, embarrassment, confusion and all that they suffer through (and we parents suffer too, because I love my dd who is so hurt by others' reactions). Not all AS people are geniuses, some have average intelligence, so they aren't necessarily accepted because of a genius status either. It's so sad, and I feel so helpless. -Kari > > > > Hi, > > > > I do not see the glamorous or romantic views of Asperges. Having an Aspie is time consuming, overwhelming,etc. I feel sometimes as living in the middle of chaos. Good week, then suddenly a bad week that immerse my entire mind and body into this tremendous chaos. In my aspie case, Emotional pain, suffering, being tease, being bullied, isolation.Adding to this, also are  the physical problems that comes with it. Low muscle tone that l ead sometimes to not being able to do physical things that other children do. Epilepsy that makes people afraid baby sitting. > > > > My aspie girl has an average intelligency, with memory problem at time. She brings a brush with her when we go out, to brush herself and trick her senses when her senses get disturbed by smel, or other trigger... > > After years of going to physical and ocupationa therapist we are in charge now. Exercise and occupational therapy are for ever.... > > Depression comes alone with all those problems. If you are a single mother, dating is very hard. My boyfriend got mad at my aspie last year during  vacation. She was difficult and he could not handle the situation. Takes a lot of compasion and love to put up with Aspies temper tamtrums and mood. > > > > Now what is the romance of that? Wlhat is the glamour? > > > > I am so tired dealing with her , at time my body crash.  I take anti axiety pills. > > I am very devoted to her, I have not choice. I love her and I am her mother. My duty is to take care of her until she can take care of herself, but s ometimes I get jelous of people that  have normal life, I confort myself by thinking positive. > > > > I do not watch parenthood. I do not relate to it. I am a single mother with three or four friends around me. I do not have a social network. I barely have time to do the dishes at the end of the day.... > > > > I hate Aspergers... > > > > > > > > > > > ( ) Asperger's diagnosis change in DSM-V > > There seems to be a lot of different mind sets on this issue I was wondering what everyone thought of the fact that soon the term: Asperger's will no longer exist and Aspies will be known to have Autism Spectrum Disorder. It has been suggested that it is to help those people who actually have Asperger's and to stop the trend of Asperger's being the latest designer diagnosis - it's amazing to me how many parents seem to want to have their child diagnosed even when they don't meet the criteria. Apparently the glamourous or 'romantic' views of Asperger's on TV, saying that famous people through history had it, etc. has made it popular.  I love my son desperately, but wanting your child to have a disorder is weird. Any imput into the name change? Just curious. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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