Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hello Bridget, You could be describing my son, except he didn't hit his stride with reading until about age 4. He is in first grade now. He doesn't have any formal diagnoses, but he has a lot of Aspie traits and definitely struggles with attention. He went to a small Montessori preschool which was OK but I think didn't have enough structure for him. Last year I was thinking maybe I was the problem and he would be better off around other kids and adults, so we tried full time kindergarten. That was a disaster. As you say, academically he was bored and socially he was overwhelmed. He is a very social boy, and he wants badly to make friends, but he is socially awkward and either overwhelms kids with his intensity or is hostile if they approach him at the wrong moment. Like you, my concerns developed when DS was in preschool so he entered kindergarten with an IEP in place. Our local school is very willing to work with students, and I didn't have any of the negative friction I've read from other parents on various fora. He received OT and regular (though not frequent-- weekly, I think) breakout sessions from the regular classroom. He joined in with some struggling third grade readers and participated in their reading group. If he was having a hard time, he could leave the classroom and go sit with the principal or school psychologist. Eventually though it became too much for me, worrying about when the next phone call would come and what the daily crisis would be. After the holidays last year, my son dropped back to attending kindy half time. That was better but he still struggled with overstimulation and boredom. We live in a small town, with no local private school options. There is a Montessori charter school in the next town, but again... not enough structure there. This year, I am homeschooling him in the morning when my daughter is in preschool, and he is going to public school for first grade in the afternoons for a little face time with the other kids. It's not perfect but it's far better than sending him off every morning, feeling like I'm throwing him into the pool and saying " sink or swim " . (Overly dramatic? Maybe but that is how it felt.) I hope this is helpful. Feel free to contact me for more info (though I'm not sure how much I can offer). in Colorado > > Hi all, > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > Thanks! > > Bridget > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Hi, Bridget: Here's my opinion and I'm open to hearing about how others feel. I personally feel it is a huge mistake to hold a child who is gifted back because of their disability or delays...namely the emotional/behavioral issues. Retention almost never serves the purpose you want it to and what's worse, you may have a gifted child ending up in a classroom where he is 3 or sometimes 4 years ahead of his peers if you hold him behind. My child has never been socially/emotionally with his peers (we struggle with this everyday), but there are kids in his class who do not have autism who aren't, either. Despite all of his issues and challenges, he is one of the top students in his class and I feel it would be tragic to change his placement and put him with kids who are way below his academic performance. School is about learning and education above all else. It's supposed to prepare you for higher education and a career. Our kids need their education more than others because they're going to have to work twice, three-times, four-times as hard. My thoughts are that you challenge -- not push -- but challenge him in a normal classroom with support. Petition the district to hire an aide to assist him where needed emotionally and socially. But, do not hold a gifted child behind. He will grow, develop and catch up. Better he do that ahead of the eight ball than behind. Also, it is better your child have older/better peer modelling and that may come with kids his age or above. Last, you can enroll him in a Social Skills program if they don't already have one in your disstrict. We could have gone the private school route. They have a great curriculum, but we could not garner the services we wanted at private schools. Maybe later down the road, but he's hooked into his services real tight at his public school, so that's where he'll stay. Sometimes as a parent of a child on the spectrum you second-guess your decisions...especially when you've gotten flack or criticism. But, the one decision my husband and I have never regretted nor second-guessed was to mainstream our son on-time with his NT peers. That's what we felt was right for him based on what we observed as parents and our assessments. > > Hi all, > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > Thanks! > > Bridget > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi , I think you hit the nail on the head about my concerns: " struggled with overstimulation and boredom " . Preschool is going pretty well (he is the oldest child in his class, although one of less developed socially and he also requires the most " maintenance " according to the teachers), but academics are not an issue at this stage and nor are they expected to be able to sit behind a desk. I do not think there is a half day kindergarten option in our district. It is all day and it starts at 7:45 in the morning (!). Thanks for sharing your experiences. I frankly cannot imagine trying to homeschool my son, so I really want to find a school setting which meets the dual goals of supporting his weak areas while challenging him intellectually. Easier said than done, I think! Bridget > > > > Hi all, > > > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bridget > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi there, We are not planning to hold my son back, but because he misses the cut off date to enter kindergarten by 2 days, he will be 6 years old by the time he starts kindergarten. We definitely expect that he will be in a mainstream classroom (with support? who knows what we can wrangle out of the district - I am starting to get the impression from other 2e parents that it is extremely hard to get services for kids who are bright around here), but he is going to be academically beyond what they are teaching because of his giftedness, even though he will be behind his peers in social/emotional development. We are trying to figure out how he can be challenged enough academically within the regular class setting. Starting in 3rd grade, the district begins gifted track programs, but our concerns are: 1) what is going to happen in grades K-2 when there are no gifted options and 2) the gifted programs in this district are known to be HIGH pressure. Our developmental therapist is concerned that our son would not do well under an enormous amount of pressure. He is also already a perfectionist and prone to anxiety at age 3, so we need to be careful not to put him in an intense gifted program which is going to exacerbate those traits. I am encouraged to hear that your son has had success in the public school system. Public school would definitely be our preference, if we can get the right support for both aspects of our son's 2e needs in place. The way things are in our district right now, however, I think that is a mighty big IF, unfortunately. There are dedicated people working to change that, but they have not made much progress to date. Bridget > > > > Hi all, > > > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bridget > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi Bridget, I just wanted to mention that our school district didn't have a half-day kindergarten option but I sent my son for half-days anyway. I understand that, at least in our state, kindergarten is optional so we weren't breaking any laws by doing the half-days. We figured out that most of the school work happened in the morning and the afternoons were mostly just filler. After my son was used to the morning routine and started asking about what his class was up to in the afternoons (about half way through the school year), we put him in full time and he did well. Just a thought, Carolyn in Maine > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > > > > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Bridget > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 How old is he now? Roxanna “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr. ( ) Re: Need Advice About Twice Exceptional - Early Elementary School Hi, Bridget: Here's my opinion and I'm open to hearing about how others feel. I personally feel it is a huge mistake to hold a child who is gifted back because of their disability or delays...namely the emotional/behavioral issues. Retention almost never serves the purpose you want it to and what's worse, you may have a gifted child ending up in a classroom where he is 3 or sometimes 4 years ahead of his peers if you hold him behind. My child has never been socially/emotionally with his peers (we struggle with this everyday), but there are kids in his class who do not have autism who aren't, either. Despite all of his issues and challenges, he is one of the top students in his class and I feel it would be tragic to change his placement and put him with kids who are way below his academic performance. School is about learning and education above all else. It's supposed to prepare you for higher education and a career. Our kids need their education more than others because they're going to have to work twice, three-times, four-times as hard. My thoughts are that you challenge -- not push -- but challenge him in a normal classroom with support. Petition the district to hire an aide to assist him where needed emotionally and socially. But, do not hold a gifted child behind. He will grow, develop and catch up. Better he do that ahead of the eight ball than behind. Also, it is better your child have older/better peer modelling and that may come with kids his age or above. Last, you can enroll him in a Social Skills program if they don't already have one in your disstrict. We could have gone the private school route. They have a great curriculum, but we could not garner the services we wanted at private schools. Maybe later down the road, but he's hooked into his services real tight at his public school, so that's where he'll stay. Sometimes as a parent of a child on the spectrum you second-guess your decisions...especially when you've gotten flack or criticism. But, the one decision my husband and I have never regretted nor second-guessed was to mainstream our son on-time with his NT peers. That's what we felt was right for him based on what we observed as parents and our assessments. > > Hi all, > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > Thanks! > > Bridget > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi Roxanna, My son is 3 1/2. He misses the cut off date to enter kindergarten by 2 days, so he will start right around his 6th birthday. It seems like a long time away, but I think I have a huge amount of research ahead of me before then! Bridget > > > > Hi all, > > > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bridget > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi Carolyn, Thank you for that suggestion. It never would have occurred to me that it would be possible to send a child to only half of a full day kindergarten program. That is a useful tip to have. Bridget > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > > > > > > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Bridget > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Hi Bridget, I know you said you aren't interested right now in homeschooling, but for the other parents out there who might be... Our local school district didn't exactly 'offer' half-day classes. I asked for it and they complied with my request. Like Carolyn's district, for younger kids our school groups academics in the morning and 'extras' in the afternoons, which made it simpler. in Colorado > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > > > > > > > > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > Bridget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Roxanna, I wasn't sure if your question was for me, but my son is seven and in second grade. Bridget, I admire that you're doing your homework now. I feel you are TOTALLY doing the right thing. I did research on grade school long before my son was ready as well. One thing they did for my son was put him with 1st and 2nd graders who were a bit more advanced. His class turned in the most Accelerated Reader Points in 2010, more went to the science fair, and they tend to be the kids of teachers or PTA presidents...that sort of thing. I've volunteered in his class and many of the kids read and comprehend a year or two above grade level. I'm only telling you this because if you're in a progressive district, they may be able to accomodate you by putting him with more advanced students even in 1st and 2nd grade. Last, my son gets ABA. Applied Behavioral Analysis has really helped him in school, although it's done privately. They teach him how to handle himself and work on social skills and perspective-taking. He's a work in progress let me tell you and some things just take time to conquer. But, ABA has really helped him and I highly recommend it now. 3 1/2 is a good age to start if you don't already have it. By five, some of the issues you thought would be a concern in school may not even be there anymore. For example, my son threw tantrums all throughout preschool. By 1st grade, they had all but diminished. Nice talking to you. > > > > How old is he now? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Our 2e daughter, now 9 and in 4th grade, started in a Montessori preschool, simply because it was the closest and best one in our town. It quickly became clear that Montessori was ideal for her. We are incredibly lucky to have a public Montessori school (a charter school) in town, and were even more lucky that she won a spot through their lottery. If you can manage private school, and if there is a Montessori school around, you might want to look into it. The Montessori curriculum runs on three-year programs, so classes are mixed grades (ages 3-6 in the preschool years, then 1st, 2nd, and 3rd graders are in one class, then 4th, 5th and 6th in another). This has worked well for my daughter, who seems to get along best with children younger or older but not exactly her age. She can also work at her own pace, instead of having to do something that a teacher tells everyone to do at once (she would definitely rebel at that). If a kid gets really into some topic, Montessori teachers usually encourage the kid to pursue that interest in various ways. Montessori classrooms are also very calm environment (table lamps instead of harsh overhead lights, usually quiet music playing, rugs to work on instead of desks lined up in a row, etc.) where children are encouraged to be accepting and open- minded, so my daughter's quirky ways are accepted by her peers. This is just our experience, of course, but accredited Montessori schools do follow the same principles and curriculum, so there should be some uniformity among the schools. Good luck with whatever you decide! Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hi , Thanks for reinforcing the idea of 1/2 day kindergarten. It is definitely something that I am taking note of if my son does go to public school. It's good to think there might be a possibility of an " out " if all day kindergarten is too overwhelming at first. Bridget > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bridget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hi Deborah, There are a couple of (private) Montessori schools in our town. I myself went to Montessori preschool when I was young and it was great for me. The reason I did not consider Montessori preschool for my son is that I was concerned about how well it would prepare him to be part of a group (because my plan had always been to send him to public K-12). Of course, if he ends up in private school for K-12, the group thing maybe becomes less of an issue. My other main concern about Montessori - and I would love to hear your feedback on this - is how they handle interactions between the children. A friend of ours attends a Montessori preschool in another town, and the philosophy is that the children will learn to treat each other nicely because of natural consequences (ie, the mean kids will end up without friends)and the teachers do not really get involved. The reality is that the playground is like " Lord of the Flies " , with cliques and bullying - and the kids doing it are only 4 and 5 years old. It is to the point where she is considering moving her son to a different school, even though he loves it otherwise. This is a BIG concern to me. In addition to his developmental issues, my son also was born with a physical difference, so bullying is one of our biggest concerns for down the road. One of the reasons our developmental therapist suggested Waldorf for our son is that they put such an emphasis on developing empathy and community, which would hopefully make bullying less acceptable there. How have you found this to work in your Montessori? Thanks so much, Bridget > > > Our 2e daughter, now 9 and in 4th grade, started in a Montessori > preschool, simply because it was the closest and best one in our > town. It quickly became clear that Montessori was ideal for her. We > are incredibly lucky to have a public Montessori school (a charter > school) in town, and were even more lucky that she won a spot through > their lottery. > > If you can manage private school, and if there is a Montessori school > around, you might want to look into it. The Montessori curriculum > runs on three-year programs, so classes are mixed grades (ages 3-6 in > the preschool years, then 1st, 2nd, and 3rd graders are in one class, > then 4th, 5th and 6th in another). This has worked well for my > daughter, who seems to get along best with children younger or older > but not exactly her age. She can also work at her own pace, instead > of having to do something that a teacher tells everyone to do at once > (she would definitely rebel at that). If a kid gets really into some > topic, Montessori teachers usually encourage the kid to pursue that > interest in various ways. Montessori classrooms are also very calm > environment (table lamps instead of harsh overhead lights, usually > quiet music playing, rugs to work on instead of desks lined up in a > row, etc.) where children are encouraged to be accepting and open- > minded, so my daughter's quirky ways are accepted by her peers. > > This is just our experience, of course, but accredited Montessori > schools do follow the same principles and curriculum, so there should > be some uniformity among the schools. > > Good luck with whatever you decide! > > Deborah > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hi there, Do you mean that while your son was in kindergarten they allowed him to take reading classes with the 1st or 2nd graders? That could be a very good thing for our son if it could be arranged. Was that something you were able to arrange privately with the school principal or was it a standard practice in your district? Thanks, Bridget > > > > > > How old is he now? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yes, it was a question for you. I already know Bridget has one in pre-k. Roxanna “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr. ( ) Re: Need Advice About Twice Exceptional - Early Elementary School Roxanna, I wasn't sure if your question was for me, but my son is seven and in second grade. Bridget, I admire that you're doing your homework now. I feel you are TOTALLY doing the right thing. I did research on grade school long before my son was ready as well. One thing they did for my son was put him with 1st and 2nd graders who were a bit more advanced. His class turned in the most Accelerated Reader Points in 2010, more went to the science fair, and they tend to be the kids of teachers or PTA presidents...that sort of thing. I've volunteered in his class and many of the kids read and comprehend a year or two above grade level. I'm only telling you this because if you're in a progressive district, they may be able to accomodate you by putting him with more advanced students even in 1st and 2nd grade. Last, my son gets ABA. Applied Behavioral Analysis has really helped him in school, although it's done privately. They teach him how to handle himself and work on social skills and perspective-taking. He's a work in progress let me tell you and some things just take time to conquer. But, ABA has really helped him and I highly recommend it now. 3 1/2 is a good age to start if you don't already have it. By five, some of the issues you thought would be a concern in school may not even be there anymore. For example, my son threw tantrums all throughout preschool. By 1st grade, they had all but diminished. Nice talking to you. > > > > How old is he now? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Bridget, I remember you! My ds made the cut off by one week and so he is the youngest in his class, usually. Roxanna “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr. ( ) Re: Need Advice About Twice Exceptional - Early Elementary School Hi Roxanna, My son is 3 1/2. He misses the cut off date to enter kindergarten by 2 days, so he will start right around his 6th birthday. It seems like a long time away, but I think I have a huge amount of research ahead of me before then! Bridget > > > > Hi all, > > > > My son is currently in preschool, and is definitely what you would consider a twice exceptional (or 2e) child. He is gifted and taught himself to read before his 3rd birthday, but also has SPD and most likely AS (still awaiting formal dx, but he has the expected social/emotional delays, rigidity, etc,etc). Our developmental therapist told me she has concerns about how our son will fit in within the regular program in the early years of elementary (say K-2) and beyond. She feels like he will be bored by the regular cirriculum, but does not think he will be socially/emotionally able to handle being pushed ahead to get the more challenging academics he needs. Our district does not begin seriously evaluating for the gifted programs until 3rd grade anyway. > > > > The therapist suggested our son might be better off in a private school with a more flexible and child-led cirriculum like Waldorf, but I am not ready to give up on public school yet. I would love to hear what types of experiences any of you with 2e kids have had, and what settings worked best for them. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bridget > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 No, sorry for the confusion. What they did was put him with the most challenging teacher who had more advanced students in 1st and 2nd grade. It was an intentional move because he was ahead for his age. For example, all of the kids in his 1st grade class were above grade-level in both reading comprehension and math. It's the same way this year. And, the teacher he's with had the highest state standards scores for 2nd grade (last year). So, even though there is no gifted program in those grades, he's already with a set of kids who are ahead in academics. The teacher posts test scores on the walls and these kids are always getting high marks. Last -- and sorry if I'm talking too much -- there are IQ and performance tests that you can give your son before he enters elementary grades to determine his placement, even taking his Special Needs into account. I think they gave my son the Wechsler and Stanford Binet. I think those were the names...done during his big assessment. If your son scores high on them, you can plead with the school that his gifted needs should be part of the IEP, therefore they must be addressed within the curriculum. That's only if you want to stay at public schools. I hope that helps. > > Hi there, > > Do you mean that while your son was in kindergarten they allowed him to take reading classes with the 1st or 2nd graders? That could be a very good thing for our son if it could be arranged. Was that something you were able to arrange privately with the school principal or was it a standard practice in your district? > > Thanks, > > Bridget > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I don't think they have to put gifted needs on an IEP exactly. Each state would have it's own laws and requirements for gifted education. So for each state, look up what your state has to say is required. I would definitely have it written in the present levels that the child is gifted and of course, advocate to get the kinds of services that would benefit a child who is gifted. Our state only requires that gifted students be identified. They provide no funding for them except what each school would put together for that. It sounds like this school tracks kids from day 1? Roxanna “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr. ( ) Re: Need Advice About Twice Exceptional - Early Elementary School No, sorry for the confusion. What they did was put him with the most challenging teacher who had more advanced students in 1st and 2nd grade. It was an intentional move because he was ahead for his age. For example, all of the kids in his 1st grade class were above grade-level in both reading comprehension and math. It's the same way this year. And, the teacher he's with had the highest state standards scores for 2nd grade (last year). So, even though there is no gifted program in those grades, he's already with a set of kids who are ahead in academics. The teacher posts test scores on the walls and these kids are always getting high marks. Last -- and sorry if I'm talking too much -- there are IQ and performance tests that you can give your son before he enters elementary grades to determine his placement, even taking his Special Needs into account. I think they gave my son the Wechsler and Stanford Binet. I think those were the names...done during his big assessment. If your son scores high on them, you can plead with the school that his gifted needs should be part of the IEP, therefore they must be addressed within the curriculum. That's only if you want to stay at public schools. I hope that helps. > > Hi there, > > Do you mean that while your son was in kindergarten they allowed him to take reading classes with the 1st or 2nd graders? That could be a very good thing for our son if it could be arranged. Was that something you were able to arrange privately with the school principal or was it a standard practice in your district? > > Thanks, > > Bridget > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Ah, thanks for clarifying. What I have heard from other parents in our district is that in some elementary schools children with similar aptitudes are clustered in a classroom in kindergarten, but in other schools they are scattered through all the classrooms - it depends on the personal philosophy of the principal of each school. So a child could end up in a classroom with academic peers and have a more advanced reading group, or they could have no peers at all. My son did have the Wechsler done through Early Intervention and scored in the 99th %. They do not have true " gifted " academics until 3rd grade, but apparently there is some sort of " nurturing and enrichment " program during 1st and 2nd grade. Differentiated instruction is the supposed goal for those early grades, but everyone tells me that in practice the implementation varies widely. The ultimate impression I am getting is that things are completely hit or miss in early elementary here - it all depends on the individual classroom and teachers you happen to get and the principal at each school. The uncertainty of it is driving me crazy! Bridget > > > > Hi there, > > > > Do you mean that while your son was in kindergarten they allowed him to take reading classes with the 1st or 2nd graders? That could be a very good thing for our son if it could be arranged. Was that something you were able to arrange privately with the school principal or was it a standard practice in your district? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bridget > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 The principal should know which teachers are going to do well with differentiated instruction. My ds had one (not the gifted ds, lol) but I volunteered in her class several times per week and she was awesome at it. I led many small group activities (mostly in math) and she had a nice list of activities where I could make the core activity harder or easier depending on the needs of the child. She had a list also for certain kids who she knew should be challenged more and then I could add kids who finished the task quickly. She made it look easy. At any rate, whenever I had a question or need for my ds (hfa), I asked the team/principal and we made sure he was with a certain teacher. They know, so discuss it with the team or the principal in advance. On the other hand, do not get so caught up in academics. There is a balance to achieve somewhere in all this. Sometimes we don't have to be constantly challenged academically and that leaves time for focusing on other learning skills. These kids are 2e for a reason, after all. If the focus is not on learning new information, it can be put on learning other skills like how to write, how to pay attention, how to take notes, how to sit still, how to make a friend or enter conversations or participate or....etc. Roxanna “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.†- Luther King, Jr. ( ) Re: Need Advice About Twice Exceptional - Early Elementary School Ah, thanks for clarifying. What I have heard from other parents in our district is that in some elementary schools children with similar aptitudes are clustered in a classroom in kindergarten, but in other schools they are scattered through all the classrooms - it depends on the personal philosophy of the principal of each school. So a child could end up in a classroom with academic peers and have a more advanced reading group, or they could have no peers at all. My son did have the Wechsler done through Early Intervention and scored in the 99th %. They do not have true "gifted" academics until 3rd grade, but apparently there is some sort of "nurturing and enrichment" program during 1st and 2nd grade. Differentiated instruction is the supposed goal for those early grades, but everyone tells me that in practice the implementation varies widely. The ultimate impression I am getting is that things are completely hit or miss in early elementary here - it all depends on the individual classroom and teachers you happen to get and the principal at each school. The uncertainty of it is driving me crazy! Bridget > > > > Hi there, > > > > Do you mean that while your son was in kindergarten they allowed him to take reading classes with the 1st or 2nd graders? That could be a very good thing for our son if it could be arranged. Was that something you were able to arrange privately with the school principal or was it a standard practice in your district? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bridget > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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