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January 16, 2003

and everyone else,

My Rheum has also conducted 2 breast exams on me. Yes, I felt and still do feel

violated, but I also trust this man's medical opinion. I now require that a

NURSE be in the room at ALL TIMES, or I take someone with me to the Dr. and

require that they be in the room. He acts a little strange now, so I KNOW that

he knows he did something wrong. I did not turn him in or anything. Thank God I

am a very boisterous individual to begin with, so it did not ruin me mentally.

He is the ONLY Dr. I have found that agrees with the way I have gone about

treating this disease, and that is VERY important to me. (he's the first one

that didn't immediately try to prescribe MTX for me) I tell him my opinion on

things, and he tells me his, and we are able to discuss options together. I

value his opinion, but certainly NOT his bedside manner.

You can go to this man and see if you LIKE his way of dealing with you, and

require a nurse to be in the room at ALL times. Also, if he tries to examine

your breasts, ask him why he needs to do that? What is he looking for?

In a message dated 1/15/2003 9:24:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

celticangyl@... writes:

> Help! The idiot that my pcp wants me to see (only one in Dayton Ohio area that

takes caresource) is listed on the ones NOT reccommended... I was told by my pcp

that he does breast

> exams on every female who goes to see him!!!!

January 16, 2003

Hi Orin,

The first time I went to this Rheum he did a full body exam... all clothes

off with a sheet over me. I wasn't really freaked out that time... although I

had never had this done before by any other Rheums I have been to. (I am only

28, by the way) The second time I went my boyfriend was with me, and nothing

strange happened. The third time I went by myself and he literally lifted up

my shirt and put his hands down my bra.... no I am NOT exaggerating. That is

when my red flag came up (not just my shirt ) I am large breasted, and not

shy about it... so it made me MAD, but not upset in any way. I called my Mom

when I got home (because she has worked in the health care industry for a

long time), and she said NEVER is a Dr. allowed to remove clothing from

anyone without another person in the room. (I can say I have NEVER had an

OBGYN appt. where there was not a nurse observing the whole thing. This has

been with both male & female DR.'s) Mom said it is just standard industry

practice, and protects both the Dr.'s and the patient from any lawsuits,

etc.) Anyway, I was so excited about this guy, because he is one of the best

in the area, and I still love his outlook on this disease... so I found a way

to deal with this, and that is requiring the nurse or someone who goes with

me to be in the room. I am fine dealing with things this way right now. He

was WRONG to do what he did, and my gut told me that the 2nd time it

happened, but I do trust his medical opionion. He is very smart and young,

and up on the newest treatments. He also is the first to not push MTX on me,

which is HUGE to me.

That's all I can really say on this. I just have heard other women say it

happened to them, and I want them to know it's happened to me too.

[Ed. Note: If the reason for having another person in the room is to avoid

lawsuits, then perhaps you have the basis for a lawsuit? For what it's worth,

the same thing happened to me - except for the skirt and bra part of course. ;-)

The first time I saw my present rheumatologist, who is a very attractive young

lady by the way, she did a full body exam of me. The nurse asked me to remove

all my clothes except for my shorts, and gave me one of those flimsy paper

gowns. The nurse was in the room for the examination, which didn't last long and

it was mostly looking rather than touching. I think even the doctor was a little

embarrassed, but fortunately nothing embarrassing arose on my part. :-o Now my

email box is probably going to be jammed with all the guys on the list wanting

to know how they can make an appointment - har, har. ;-) Ron]

In a message dated 1/16/03 8:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, orinok@...

writes:

> The idea of requiring a nurse in the room would certainly encourage the

> doctor to maintain professionalism but also would run up costs if every

> patient required a " paid witness " at all times but bringing a friend or

> family member along wouldnt present that problem.

> It could be the doctor that mentioned has a history working with

> breast cancer and as such has a heightened awareness of the dangers of

> unrecognized tumors. Maybe I'm wrong about this one but wouldnt a breast

> exam

> be more in the realm of gynecology? I cant think of a reason why a

> rhuematologist would gain a lot of insight on a persons arthritic condition

>

> from examining her breasts so that does sound unusual. I suppose each

> woman

> has to make a character assesment of the doctor

January 17, 2003

melissa,

i went to the dr you are worried about. he did not try to

touch my breasts. i will never go

back to him because he put me on plaquenil, and i am allergic

to sulfa. he either didn't look at my chart or whatever, i

don't know. i do know it caused a horrific reaction that

took 3 months to overcome, and caused me to have psoriasis.

prior to the plaquenil, i only had the arthritis, mildly,

and my toes were just starting to get sausagy. it actually

took 2 years to get my body even close to where was before

i saw him. he is also on the board of drs that review

applicants for ssdi. and he absolutely does not believe

arthritis is crippling, and will not approve anyone with it

for disability. that is why i will drive to columbus or

cleveland or indianapolis before i go to him.

there are other rheumies in kettering, but i don't their

name and they have a 3 mo. list. my dermie recommends them.

susan in ohio

January 17, 2003

Nope. This Dr. is in NC. I thought it was interesting that the Dr. in Ohio is

not the only Dr. into feeling women up! UNBELIEVEABLE! You would think they

wouldn't risk their license by doing that.

In a message dated 1/17/03 8:50:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

celticangyl@... writes:

> So , the doc you are talking about is the doc that my PCP wants to

> send me to here in ohio, or is it a diff one?

>

January 17, 2003

Hi Ron,

Like I said before, the first full body exam did not freak me out... but

there was NOT anyone else in the room with us. The second breast exam, when

he lifted my shirt and stuck his hands down my bra... that freaked me out. I

certainly felt strange. This guy really likes blondes... that is very

apparent, and there is no embarrasment on his part. He gives me TONS of

samples, and sometimes I feel like he is repaying me for his being allowed to

feel me up. Like I said, I make sure someone is in the room now. I could have

made a HUGE deal out of this, and yes I am sure I could have filed a lawsuit,

but I chose not to take that route. There was certainly a part of me that

wanted to protect other women, but there is also a part of me that just

didn't want to deal with the upheaval in my life it would cause. I am sure

that sounds weak, but I handled it how I wanted to... and I feel OK with how

it has turned out. I will NEVER be in a room alone with him again. I refuse

to subject myself to that. Like I said to my Mom.. what in the world could

this Dr. find by literally sticking his hand down my bra. I, nor she, could

think of a thing he could find by sticking his hand down my bra.

This was several months ago, and I still want to say something to him every

time I see him. It's AMAZING how different he acts now when my mom and

boyfriend go with me. He was always VERY flirtatious before... even went so

far as to hug me and caress my face once. Now that I have someone go with me

every time he is very professional. My Mom cracks me up.. everytime we are

there she yells as loud as she can when we are leaving " I'll see you next

time Dr. ***** " . He yells back " I look forward to it " , and she says quietly

to me " I bet your A** you do! " It's turned into a little joke now. He hands

me a HUGE grocery bag full of Celebrex before I walk out and always says

" now, see how much I like you " . I always think... yeah I bet you do! ) I am

SO GLAD I was never abused as a child or raped or anything, because I KNOW if

I had been something like this would affect me MUCH more. I also know if he

continues to do this, he will do it to the WRONG person one day.

In a message dated 1/17/03 9:34:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

celticangyl@... writes:

> [Ed. Note: If the reason for having another person in the room is to avoid

> lawsuits, then perhaps you have the basis for a lawsuit? For what it's

> worth, the same thing happened to me - except for the skirt and bra part of

> course. ;-) The first time I saw my present rheumatologist, who is a very

> attractive young lady by the way, she did a full body exam of me. The nurse

> asked me to remove all my clothes except for my shorts, and gave me one of

> those flimsy paper gowns. The nurse was in the room for the examination,

> which didn't last long and it was mostly looking rather than touching. I

> think even the doctor was a little embarrassed, but fortunately nothing

> embarrassing arose on my part. :-o Now my email box is probably going to

> be jammed with all the guys on the list wanting to know how they can make

> an appointment - har, har. ;-) Ron]

>

January 17, 2003

I am willing to go anywhere.... even out of state if my Medicaid would allow me

to do so =( I just need a decent doc... and right now, the one that is on the

not reccommended list is the ONLY option I have in the dayton area which

disappoints me terribly....

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melissa,

i went to the dr you are worried about. he did not try to

touch my breasts. i will never go

back to him because he put me on plaquenil, and i am allergic

to sulfa. he either didn't look at my chart or whatever, i

don't know. i do know it caused a horrific reaction that

took 3 months to overcome, and caused me to have psoriasis.

prior to the plaquenil, i only had the arthritis, mildly,

and my toes were just starting to get sausagy. it actually

took 2 years to get my body even close to where was before

i saw him. he is also on the board of drs that review

applicants for ssdi. and he absolutely does not believe

arthritis is crippling, and will not approve anyone with it

for disability. that is why i will drive to columbus or

cleveland or indianapolis before i go to him.

there are other rheumies in kettering, but i don't their

name and they have a 3 mo. list. my dermie recommends them.

susan in ohio

January 17, 2003

Actually, I have heard other things about this doctor, but my PCP refuses to

send me to him. The breast exam isn't of a " check-up " nature... it's more along

the perverted lines is what my PCP told me his patients came back to complain to

him about his referral to him. I just can't go somewhere like that. From the

time I was in 4th grade I woke up and there my breasts were...huge. They

eventually grew into 44DDD!!! My primary care doctor when I was around 13ish and

it didn't matter what I went in for, full body cavity search began, along with a

breast exam... since then I am leary, I was abused then, and just can't bear the

thought of going back to those days I fought so hard to put behind me...

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