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I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started

kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just

looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to

mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already

reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical

for many ASD kids, he is really lacking in social skills and is

emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive.

He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed

by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to

have " free play " time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last

week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting

another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's

toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other

kid but that he was making the truck fly and it needed to bounce on

the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note

stating that DS " has a hard time understanding the concept of being

sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone.

He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to

have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for

him. " Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows

how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think

that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play

available for DS during these times but I don't know what is

appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we

live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we

should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our

city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best

option. Again, any advice?

Thanks,

Colleen

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Colleen – Just a quick comment as something jumped out at

me. While I realize CA has major budget problems I don’t think they

can use that to deny any services that are mandated by law – if your

child requires an aid they must provide one.

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Subject: ( ) Advice for kindergartener who is getting in

trouble

I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started

kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just

looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to

mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already

reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical

for many ASD kids, he is really lacking in social skills and is

emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive.

He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed

by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to

have " free play " time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last

week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting

another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's

toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other

kid but that he was making the truck fly and it needed to bounce on

the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note

stating that DS " has a hard time understanding the concept of being

sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone.

He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to

have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for

him. " Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows

how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think

that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play

available for DS during these times but I don't know what is

appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we

live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we

should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our

city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best

option. Again, any advice?

Thanks,

Colleen

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Hi, Colleen--Sometimes the quickest way to make a decision about a school is to

research and visit it. You could set up a meeting to talk to everyone who would

work with your ds if he would go there in the future...teacher, etc. Check out

the classrooms, gym, bathrooms (my dd won't use automatic toilets), lunchroom,

etc. Ask about how they handle meltdowns, lunch time if your child doesn't like

any of the food that day, and other scenarios/questions you think of. You might

have already done this, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Perhaps the

majority/all of the children going to the ASD school are on the lower fuctioning

end of the spectrum which you may find isn't a good fit for your ds...or maybe

it it wouldn't matter, due to how the school employees handle things there. This

would be my first step, so you are informed when making your choices. If nothing

else, you might observe/hear something during the ASD school visit that could be

utilized at the mainstream school and solve/improve the situation there. Good

luck to you. I know how hard this is. We had a stressful time deciding what

school to choose. I'm still not always sure we're doing the right things, but we

try out best for our dd!

--Kari

>

> I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started

> kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just

> looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to

> mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already

> reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical

> for many ASD kids, he is really lacking in social skills and is

> emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive.

> He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed

> by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to

> have " free play " time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last

> week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting

> another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's

> toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other

> kid but that he was making the truck fly and it needed to bounce on

> the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note

> stating that DS " has a hard time understanding the concept of being

> sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone.

> He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to

> have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for

> him. " Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows

> how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think

> that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play

> available for DS during these times but I don't know what is

> appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we

> live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we

> should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our

> city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best

> option. Again, any advice?

>

> Thanks,

> Colleen

>

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He needs more 1:1 support during unstructured times. He doesn't sound like he

needs a full-time 1:1 person but he definitely needs someone to be close enough

to advise him BEFORE he hurts anyone, before he makes a mistake and needs

punishment because punishment will only confuse him. He doesn't know that the

landing a truck on someone else's head wouldn't be fun for the other person. My

son did something similar in first grade. We were on the bus stop and he

whacked a kid with his backpack and the kids was justifiably angry. I told

that it hurts to be hit with a backpack and that it isn't fun. I had him look at

the kid's face, but I doubt that helped. He said, " I was just having fun! " I

told him, " It's not fun for him, he is angry and sad. " didn't do that

again. He still does things that he thinks are fun that nobody else

appreciates. He's sensory seeking while his sister is tactile defensive. So

he'll pat her on the head in a friendly way and she'll scream that he's hitting

her. I explained it to him. I told him that she is over sensitive to things

and that it feels like she's hitting him. He was apologetic, genuinely sorry and

said, " I didn't know you felt it like a hit " . She screamed insanely at him

because she was so angry. I doubt he'll do it again. I also doubt it hurt her

that much but she's very intense as well. I could see that he really did feel

bad and he really didn't know. I'd just had her evaluated by an OT the same day

so it came in very handy. knows all about OT. He's 12 years old and it's

taken us a LONG time to help him with these things but with patience and

kindness and a LOT of coaching they DO get it. The hard part is that schools

may not get the patience and kindness part of it. His classmates may also need

some coaching so they can tell him very clearly " I don't like that " or " that

hurts " instead of screaming at him or refusing to play with him. They need to

know that he really has a hard time knowing what to do with people just like

other kids might have a hard time knowing what to do with math problems or

spelling. We've had a lot of help from most of the schools my son has attended.

Miriam

>

> I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started

> kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just

> looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to

> mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already

> reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical

> for many ASD kids, he is really lacking in social skills and is

> emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive.

> He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed

> by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to

> have " free play " time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last

> week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting

> another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's

> toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other

> kid but that he was making the truck fly and it needed to bounce on

> the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note

> stating that DS " has a hard time understanding the concept of being

> sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone.

> He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to

> have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for

> him. " Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows

> how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think

> that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play

> available for DS during these times but I don't know what is

> appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we

> live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we

> should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our

> city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best

> option. Again, any advice?

>

> Thanks,

> Colleen

>

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If the teacher are aware that your child needs a bit of guidance during "free play" then they should set him some tasks like giving him a jigsaw, book so setting up a game withother children. I bet there is more to the story than your son hit another child with a truck.

I had the same thing with my sons nursery, they were concerned that he spent most of his time playing with the same repetative toy during" free play". I volunteered as a parent helper and found that most of the time was "free play" (could have translated as teacher couldn't be bothered to organise activities) and my son was bored riged. I wish I had sent him to another nursery, he left it 2 yrs ago and even now when we drive by he panics and asks if he has to go.

From: jmlrgs1870 <jmlrgs1870@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Advice for kindergartener who is getting in trouble Date: Monday, 9 November, 2009, 4:21

Hi, Colleen--Sometimes the quickest way to make a decision about a school is to research and visit it. You could set up a meeting to talk to everyone who would work with your ds if he would go there in the future...teacher, etc. Check out the classrooms, gym, bathrooms (my dd won't use automatic toilets), lunchroom, etc. Ask about how they handle meltdowns, lunch time if your child doesn't like any of the food that day, and other scenarios/questions you think of. You might have already done this, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Perhaps the majority/all of the children going to the ASD school are on the lower fuctioning end of the spectrum which you may find isn't a good fit for your ds...or maybe it it wouldn't matter, due to how the school employees handle things there. This would be my first step, so you are informed when making your choices. If nothing else, you might observe/hear something during the ASD school visit that could be utilized

at the mainstream school and solve/improve the situation there. Good luck to you. I know how hard this is. We had a stressful time deciding what school to choose. I'm still not always sure we're doing the right things, but we try out best for our dd! --Kari>> I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started > kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just > looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to > mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already > reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical > for many ASD kids, he is really

lacking in social skills and is > emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive. > He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed > by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to > have "free play" time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last > week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting > another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's > toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other > kid but that he was making the truck fly and it needed to bounce on > the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note > stating that DS "has a hard time understanding the concept of being > sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone. > He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to

> have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for > him." Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows > how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think > that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play > available for DS during these times but I don't know what is > appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we > live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.> > Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we > should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our > city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best > option. Again, any advice?> > Thanks,> Colleen>

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Your son sounds like my son. Since he can read, have you tried writing social

stories for him? My K can read, and so I probably end up producing one or two

new social stories each week, to help with whatever happens to be challenging at

the time. For some reason, there seem to be things they GENUINELY don't get,

and at least for my aspie, reading has proved to be the road into his mind, how

he is able to " get it. " The social stories have helped IMMENSELY with this. For

bigger issues, or more perpetual ones, I have produced a few color-printed

books, but for routine issues, I just write a one-page script for him, adding

pictures if necessary. Now he doesn't need the pictures as much, but for

example, after a year and half of preschool, he still was not succeeding at the

sequence of events between the car and the classroom...completely lost in some

fog. Then I printed him a written sheet with pictures for each step, and had

him read them at each step. It really worked like magic. We go over these

sheets at home before events happen, and I send them with him in case his

teacher needs them, and they do help. For example, he has this innate need to

pick things apart until they are destroyed, and his teacher has a nice set of

wicker furniture for the reading nook, which he was totally destroying b/c he

couldn't help pick at them. I wrote him a sheet, and she assigned him a wooden

chair where he could not reach the wicker chairs. When another student moved a

wicker chair next to him, and then left, he started to pick at it, but then she

told me he got up on his own and moved the wicker chair back to its spot so that

he wouldn't pick at it. Little things like that have represented amazing

progress just from using social stories. Social stories have also been the only

way I could explain concpts like remorse or empathy with him also.

We also have developed a specific structured but semi-choice based schedule for

free choice time for him. To eliminate problem areas, we have made little cards

with appropriate choices for him to do during that time, omitting problem areas

from the available options until we or the teacher feel he is ready to try them

again, and omitting any math activities from the choices because he will just

get lost in number land, and he is a total wreck to retreive from number land.

Again, this is no problem, b/c his math is about a second grade level, we just

contol and limit his access to it. If he wants to do certain new-to-him

activities and we know in advance, the teacher is good to make group

demonstrations of appropriate uses of activities immediately prior to him being

able to use things. This modeling helps also, and it is just incorporated into

the normal flow of teaching as if it were relevant to everyone (sometimes it

is!).

BTW, I have been the one making the scripts/choice cards, etc., b/c he is in a

private setting with no special ed. But still, in your position, I would not

hesitate to ask about structuring or scheduling that time for him. The longer

we've been working with our ds, the more I am convinced that it is absolutely

necessary, or he just falls to pieces.

HTH,

>

> I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started

> kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just

> looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to

> mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already

> reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical

> for many ASD kids, he is really lacking in social skills and is

> emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive.

> He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed

> by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to

> have " free play " time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last

> week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting

> another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's

> toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other

> kid but that he was making the truck fly and it needed to bounce on

> the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note

> stating that DS " has a hard time understanding the concept of being

> sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone.

> He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to

> have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for

> him. " Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows

> how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think

> that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play

> available for DS during these times but I don't know what is

> appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we

> live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we

> should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our

> city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best

> option. Again, any advice?

>

> Thanks,

> Colleen

>

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My son is in grade one in Alberta Canada and well he isn't doing much better with his teacher. He is very distracted and impulsive and she and he have started to go down a very contentious road. My son is convinced she hates him and that no matter what he does he is BAD. The teacher is frustrated by his behavior and well can't say that I blame her, I love him and understand his diagnosis but I get frustrated too! In trying to advocate for my son the school told me to get counselling to help my son when he has a bad day at school. I of course felt that maybe supporting his over burdened and frustrated teacher might be an option. Smiles and warm hand pats is all I really got. I don't really know what to do because I hear this from just about every parent in my situation. Insert

heavy sigh....

From: Colleen Teitgen-Humphrey <cteitgen@...> Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 4:47:05 PMSubject: ( ) Advice for kindergartener who is getting in trouble

I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical for many ASD kids, he is really lacking in social skills and is emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive. He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to have "free play" time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other kid but that he was making

the truck fly and it needed to bounce on the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note stating that DS "has a hard time understanding the concept of being sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone. He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for him." Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play available for DS during these times but I don't know what is appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our

city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best option. Again, any advice?Thanks,Colleen

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I'm in this boat too, despite our meeting at the start of the year that my sons teacher had worked at a school for ASD children, I hear from other children that she is on his back a lot, telling him to stop day dreaming and get on with his work, the thing is probably like your son if he has pick up that the teacher doesn't like him he is even less likely to do what the teacher wants, and this becomes a vicious circle. She kept him late last week to finish work, and I wrote a letter complaining, so no doubt we will be due a meeting at the school to be pacified, whilst there will be no difference classwise for our son. loud sigh.

From: Murrel <mommio55@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Advice for kindergartener who is getting in trouble Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 21:32

My son is in grade one in Alberta Canada and well he isn't doing much better with his teacher. He is very distracted and impulsive and she and he have started to go down a very contentious road. My son is convinced she hates him and that no matter what he does he is BAD. The teacher is frustrated by his behavior and well can't say that I blame her, I love him and understand his diagnosis but I get frustrated too! In trying to advocate for my son the school told me to get counselling to help my son when he has a bad day at school. I of course felt that maybe supporting his over burdened and frustrated teacher might be an option. Smiles and warm hand pats is all I really got. I don't really know what to do because I hear this from just about every parent in my situation. Insert heavy sigh....

From: Colleen Teitgen-Humphrey <cteitgensbcglobal (DOT) net> Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 4:47:05 PMSubject: ( ) Advice for kindergartener who is getting in trouble

I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical for many ASD kids, he is really lacking in social skills and is emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive. He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to have "free play" time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other kid but that he was making

the truck fly and it needed to bounce on the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note stating that DS "has a hard time understanding the concept of being sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone. He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for him." Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play available for DS during these times but I don't know what is appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our

city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best option. Again, any advice?Thanks,Colleen

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Well I am headed to the school this afternoon to meet with a lady who works with an organization for inclusive edcuation. I hope it sheds some light on what my DS needs are in the classroom. She is in my DS's classroom this morning and will be observing him so she can get a better understanding of what it is DS is struggling with. I hope it helps because the current situation will require the teacher to be either a saint or a miracle worker. Unfortunatly just like me she is only human.

On a good note DS was is a great mood today and yesterday he got a GOOD comment in his agenda. Yeah!

From: Lorraine son <lorrainedavidson12@...> Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 4:55:24 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Advice for kindergartener who is getting in trouble

I'm in this boat too, despite our meeting at the start of the year that my sons teacher had worked at a school for ASD children, I hear from other children that she is on his back a lot, telling him to stop day dreaming and get on with his work, the thing is probably like your son if he has pick up that the teacher doesn't like him he is even less likely to do what the teacher wants, and this becomes a vicious circle. She kept him late last week to finish work, and I wrote a letter complaining, so no doubt we will be due a meeting at the school to be pacified, whilst there will be no difference classwise for our son. loud sigh.

From: Murrel <mommio55 (DOT) com>Subject: Re: ( ) Advice for kindergartener who is getting in trouble Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 21:32

My son is in grade one in Alberta Canada and well he isn't doing much better with his teacher. He is very distracted and impulsive and she and he have started to go down a very contentious road. My son is convinced she hates him and that no matter what he does he is BAD. The teacher is frustrated by his behavior and well can't say that I blame her, I love him and understand his diagnosis but I get frustrated too! In trying to advocate for my son the school told me to get counselling to help my son when he has a bad day at school. I of course felt that maybe supporting his over burdened and frustrated teacher might be an option. Smiles and warm hand pats is all I really got. I don't really know what to do because I hear this from just about every parent in my situation. Insert heavy sigh....

From: Colleen Teitgen-Humphrey <cteitgensbcglobal (DOT) net> Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 4:47:05 PMSubject: ( ) Advice for kindergartener who is getting in trouble

I haven't posted in a long time but now that my son has started kindergarten in a mainstream class he's having problems. I'm just looking for some advice on how to handle things. We decided to mainstream DS because he is very advanced academically (was already reading and doing math before starting kindergarten) but as is typical for many ASD kids, he is really lacking in social skills and is emotionally immature. To add to that he is also extremely hyperactive. He usually does pretty well in class with activities that are directed by the teacher or a parent volunteer but when the kids are left to have "free play" time DS doesn't know how to play appropriately. Last week he had two time outs within 15 minutes of each other for hitting another kid on the head with a truck and then kicking someone else's toy after that. DS said that he wasn't mad or trying to hurt the other kid but that he was making

the truck fly and it needed to bounce on the kid's head to make the landing. The teacher sent home a note stating that DS "has a hard time understanding the concept of being sorry or remorseful for his actions or that he actually hurt someone. He will apologize, but he is only saying the words and is unable to have empathy for what has happened. It's a challenging concept for him." Duh! She knows about his diagnosis but I don't think she knows how to deal with him differently than a typical kid. I really think that there needs to be some kind of alternative structured play available for DS during these times but I don't know what is appropriate to ask for. With all of the budget cuts in CA where we live, the district can't afford an aide so that is not an option.Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about whether or not we should continue to try and mainstream him? There is a school in our

city that is for kids with ASD but I'm not sure if that is the best option. Again, any advice?Thanks,Colleen

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