depression

[Guest guest]

Living with a chronic illness can certainly cause depression, however, this

is something that needs to be diagnosed and treated by a professional. Long

term feelings of anger and sadness should not be ignored. Please seek help

immediately.

Kathy F.

In a message dated 8/22/2005 7:45:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mcbridefour@... writes:

Hi everyone! I was wondering if any of you can help me. I am taking

Efferxor XR for depresson. I fell really off these last couple of

months sad, tired, very angry. Could this also be th PA I feel at my

wits end Help! I take .75mg a day but know people that take 150 a day

should I increse?

[Guest guest]

I was on Effexor and Zyprexa. They did more harm than good. Nightmares

galore. I couldn't sleep because I was afraid of them. I'm not on

anything now. My ex lost my last prescriptions when I asked him to

fill them. I missed last week's appointments with a cold, so I haven't

been able to get them refilled. Frustration abounds with limited

access and medicare 6 months to 2 years away.

Sabra

[Guest guest]

The best product I know of, is EmpowerPlus, endorsed by no other than

one Dr. Popper of Harvard medical school. Google to find it.

Leo

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[Guest guest]

Remember " Mind over matter " or " It's all in the mind " . And that our mind has 2

parts, the conscious and the subconscious.

 

Which is dominant and which is subservient? The subconscious is the dominant.

 

Can you treat the subconscious with medicines or snake oils?

 

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Ever heard of Louise Hays? She beat cancer and AIDS with " positive thinking " !

Well Louise Hays is kinda from the past now. There are more revolutionary than

Louise Hays today. In fact Louise Hays is not even the Louise Hays of 30 years

ago. She has moved one to some even more revolutionary than " positive thinking " .

 

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Re: depression

  dayray41

Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:24 am (PDT)

I've been on antidepressents for 16 yrs, & would like to get off them

too. I'm also on Klonipin, & that is a whole other topic. I have been

researching alot of natural supplements & vitamin. saMe, 5-HTP all

promising.

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A very good natural anti-depressent for many people is SAMe. Like

the allopathic SSRI's, it takes SAMe about 3-4 weeks to build up in

the system. Unlike SSRI's, SAMe also offers other tremendous health

benefits, including liver repair, relief from arthritis, and others.

Exercise and sunlight are also two other powerful anti-depressents.

Do you get enough sun where you live? If not, you might consider

full spectrum lights, and maybe even sun lamps, although I'm not sure

on what brands are best.

Omega 3 oils are also extremely important for mental health, as much

of our brains and nerves are made of omega 3 oils (or their

derivatives). Omega 3 oils are best obtained via flaxseed oil and

pure, unrancid, mercury-free fish oils.

You may consider getting yourself tested for heavy metal toxicity.

Lead and/or mercury in the system can cause severe depression. There

are oral chelating agents you can easily buy, including EDTA, DMSA,

alpha lipoic acid, cilantro, and others. Look into, and read up on

chelation in general.

And of course there is the psychological side -- unresolved issues,

buried traumas, unhappy lives. Are you generally happy with your

life, your spouse, your job? Did you suffer severe abuse as a

child? You need a good counsellor to work these issues out with. I

know this potentially treads on toes, but I have found traditional

psychologists to be almost worthless, while I have found religious

counselors (pastors, etc) to be far more effective, because many of

my issues are spiritual, and deal with my broken relationship with

God.

Klonipin is HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. If you want to get off of it, you will

need professional help with the withdrawal. Do you suffer from PTSD

and/or anxiety disorders? Then you really need a counsellor who

specializes in anxiety disorders to help you learn healthy ways to

cope with anxiety.

All in all, your diet and lifestyle need to be healthy.

I'm a little irritated with 's post below which seems to

blatantly push a specific brand of water purifier as the answer to

everything. Is this allowed on ?

>Remember " Mind over matter " or " It's all in the mind " . And that our

mind has 2 parts, the conscious and the subconscious.

>Which is dominant and which is subservient??The subconscious is the

dominant. Can you treat the subconscious with medicines or snake oils?

> http://www.transformationsahealingplace.com/

> Ever heard of Louise Hays? She beat cancer and AIDS with " positive

thinking " ! Well Louise Hays is kinda from the past now. There are

more revolutionary than Louise Hays today. In fact Louise Hays is not

even the Louise Hays of?30 years ago. She has moved one to some even

more revolutionary than " positive thinking " .

> www.A1KangenWater.com

Re: depression

> dayray41

> Sat Aug?23,?2008 12:24?am (PDT)

> I've been on antidepressents for 16 yrs, & would like to get off

them too. I'm also on Klonipin, & that is a whole other topic. I have been

researching alot of natural supplements & vitamin. saMe, 5-HTP all promising.

[Guest guest]

One thing for sure, it isn't 'All in the mind'.

This is not to say mental health is not important to a healthy body as well as

mind. Stress from any cause is detrimental and physical maladies can and do

arise from it.

However, the 'all in the mind' concept cannot cover every instance of bad health

and while we need to function in a positive mental environment we need to do the

other things known to be beneficial to good health. To be blunt, we are just

not going to 'will away' all illness.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

For the purposes of accuracy, the latest Sample Consumer Reports issue of 'On

Health' states clearly in their

What Works section, " Lift Depression with St. 's Wort. It goes on to say:

" A recent study found it helped relieve depression just as well as prescription

Paxil, More in Consumer Reports on Health!

That is not nor am I endorsing the use of St. 's Wort and I remind every one

that they can probably find a contradictory study.

However, that it is supposedly as effective as a very popular drug is

interesting to say the least. I would think that having a sincere and

qualified Psychiatrist would be a smart move for someone with severe depression.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

IMHO you are exactly on target.

Phil

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From: JCastron

For the purposes of accuracy, the latest Sample Consumer Reports issue of 'On

Health' states clearly in their

What Works section, " Lift Depression with St. 's Wort. It goes on to say: " A

recent study found it helped relieve depression just as well as prescription

Paxil, More in Consumer Reports on Health!

That is not nor am I endorsing the use of St. 's Wort and I remind every one

that they can probably find a contradictory study.

However, that it is supposedly as effective as a very popular drug is

interesting to say the least. I would think that having a sincere and

qualified Psychiatrist would be a smart move for someone with severe depression.

[Guest guest]

I have a paper that implicates possible mitochondrial dysfunction (surprise surprise!) in neuropsychiatric illness, as well as glutathione depletion, and another review article discussing how imbalances in the Th1/Th2 balance of the neural immune system (astrocytes/microglia) could contribute to depression ("Inflammation Glutamate Glia and Depression" [pubmed link]). Another article I have discusses possible links to DHA deficiency, and there is a theory connection vitamin D deficiency and schizophrenia. This may mean there is a link between screwed-up vitamin D homeostasis (too high hormonal calcitriol to storage form calcidiol vitamin D ratio) and neuropsychiatric illness.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

I have suffered with major depression for the last 25 years that started in my

teens. What I have learned over the years is that depression is an ever

changing beast. Your brain chemicals change all the time and what worked today

may not work tomorrow. I know that I have all kinds of triggers that may cause

a week of the blues: stress, off regular sleep schedule, drinking, being sick,

coming home from a trip, etc. I call these short lived times my days in the

rain. Usually I can wait them out by ramping up the exercise, taking a few days

off work, or talking to friends and family that make me laugh. But, there are

times when it's a bigger issue that I can't handle alone. I live in the Pacific

Northwest and for years I had to change my dose to deal with the constant gloom

of winter. Other times I needed to add an additional drug to get over the hump,

and sometimes I changed the med altogether. My advice would be if it lasts for

more than a week or two get to your psychiatrist and talk it out. On that note,

based on my past experience of being told there was nothing wrong with me or I

was simply drug seeking I suggest everyone who has mental health issues see a

psychiatrist if possible instead of a regular doctor. They just aren't trained

to treat mental health issues. Good luck, you're not alone.

Janine

[Guest guest]

Janine:  I would agree that  " regular " doctors are not equipped to diagnose and

treat serious mental illnesses, such as bi-polar disease, schizophrenia or

severe clinical depression - which may be what you suffer from.  However, my

experience has been that a good internist or family practitioner who knows you

can respond much more quickly than a psychiatrist that doesn't when it comes

to treating the kind of depression that results more from the things happening

in our lives that get us really  " down " , i.e. PsA.  When I told my internist I

was feeling depressed and what I thought the source of my depression might

be, she immediately said that she knew me well enough to know that she had to

take it seriously.  She knew exactly what to give me, explained why she chose

one particular anti-depressant over several other very common ones, told me how

long it would take to get relief, etc. 

 Joanna Hoelscher

[Guest guest]

I used to suffer from severe depressions. I was hospitalized for it many

times from my teens to my early thirties. Mine was resistant to any

treatment with medications. Oddly enough what ultimately turned this around

for me was getting a dog. After I got a dog a number of years ago I was

never seriously depressed again. When that dog passed away in the fall I

went out and got a new puppy as I consider a dog to be absolutely vital to

my health now. I would never have guessed it could make such a big

difference for me but it did.

Gareeth

janinekelly wrote:

<<I have suffered with major depression for the last 25 years that

started in my teens.>>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad you got help. There is nothing worse than suffering alone.

" janinekelly " <janinekelly@...>

<< my experience has been that a good internist or family practitioner who

knows you can respond much more quickly than a psychiatrist that doesn't when it

comes to treating the kind of depression that results more from the things

happening in our lives that get us really  " down " , i.e. PsA.  When I told my

internist I was feeling depressed and what I thought the source of my depression

might be, she immediately said that she knew me well enough to know that she had

to take it seriously>>

[Guest guest]

I think you're on to something. I have had a dog my whole adult life and I am

always amazed how much they bring to my life. Even when I think back to some of

the more challenging dogs I've had they still made a positive impact on my life.

Now I want to get another dog.

" janinekelly " <janinekelly@...>

<<I used to suffer from severe depressions. . . . Oddly enough what ultimately

turned this around for me was getting a dog.>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry, God bless ya! I know how you are feeling EXACTLY! I was on Wellbutrin

too and it started not working for me just that quick it seemed. I was then

switched over to Cymbalta which has been great and it also is designed to help

with fibromyalgia as well.I hope you find some help and kick depression in the

fanny!!

Sincerely, in Ga.

..

<<I suffered with depression for many years and the last 4 or 5 years have been

feeling quite normal in the " head " until recently. I don't think these few days

of feeling depressed have anything to do with the PA.>>

[Guest guest]

Gareeth:  I've read about some new treatments for people with severe depression

who don't respond to any of the conventional treatments with meds.  I seem to

recall it's some kind of brain stimulation; but a puppy is a much, much better

solution.  Just goes to show that the best medicine in some circumstances can be

just having a " pal " who's non-judgmental and loves us for who we are!!!!  

 Joanna Hoelscher

[Guest guest]

Sherry, I soooooooo understand what you are talking about.  I've been suffering

from depression for years and had a daily regimen of Wellbutrin, Zoloft and

Trazodone.  For the most part I was feeling " normal " until recently.  I'm newly

diagnosed with PsA and Fibromyalgia.  So I know that the depression is

contributed to one of these.  Right now, my psychiatrist and PCP are conversing

to see what type of medicine is best for me now under the new circumstances. 

Lately, I've been feeling so low that I just want to do nothing but lay on the

couch.  I am taking methotrexate for the PsA and my PCP asked me if I have

noticed a difference in my depression since taking it.  Honestly, yes but I

don't know if its cause of the meds or the fibromyalgia.  With me I just can't

tell but I do know how you feel.

Keep up positive thoughts.  Maybe it is just a funk that you are in.  I sure

hope so, lol.  Nothing worse then pain and lasting depression.

 

Luv,

 

[Guest guest]

Yes that was still in the testing phase when I had my last hospitalization.

I had been severe enough to have electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) for mine so yes

a puppy is much better.

I expected having one to help but for it to be so life altering astonishes

me and I suspect would be a surprise to those who treated me at my worst.

Gareeth

Joanna Hoelscher wrote:

<<Gareeth: I've read about some new treatments for people with severe depression

who don't respond to any of the conventional treatments with meds. I seem to

recall it's some kind of brain stimulation; but

a puppy is a much, much better solution. Just goes to show that the

best medicine in some circumstances can be just having a " pal " who's

non-judgmental and loves us for who we are!!!!>>

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I grew up with several dogs and anytime I would tell my mother that I

wouldn't have a dog when I grew up, she would tell me that I would be very

lonely. I have three dogs with me now and they are my best friends. They

cheer me up when I'm not feeling well.

Randi

randi68az@...

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this is right or wrong but I probably am an adult aspie, my disappointment with life in general was that although I treated people fairly, never pre judged or knowingly treated anyone badly for years I was continually picked on and bullied, even by people I had gone out of my way to be friends with, I never understood why it was always me. It wore me down. I think my parents could could have done a bit more, looking back perhaps they should have noticed that going out and leaving me in the house alone every weekend age 14-17 wasn't quite normal. but then the past is the past, the future is how we can make a difference now.

With my son I see the same trusting innocence, I feel as long as I keep an eye on him till his late teens he will get through the rest of life ok. He is only six and we do everything together as a family, obviously this will need to change as he gets older, for now it works.

From: Lori <have_faith_2008@...>Subject: ( ) Depression Date: Monday, 23 November, 2009, 6:50

Hi There... I have read that many AS kids can eventually experience depression,especial ly if they remain undiagnosed. I was wondering... for those of you whose kids have been diagnosed for most of their lives, are you finding that they can avoid depression because it helps them to know they have AS and to be able to see it is out of their control and there is a reason they don't do certain things by nature? Just curious, as I was quite concerned when I read about tendancy for depression.

[Guest guest]

You know it's so easy to be so focuse on our kids' problems, we need to stay

healthy as moms too. Hang in there. What you said about the weather leads me

to think you may had Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) which is a type of

depression that is triggered by gloomy weather. Seriously, consider seeing a

counselor or psychologist for a bit. It is a sign of strength to get

counseling, not weakness. I hope things get better... also good to role model

for your son to get help when needed... By the way, any man should be happy to

have you, don't forget it...

>

> I have a 14 y.o. son w/AS, and I seem to be suffering form depression

> that is getting worse. I take him to school and I come home and go

> back to sleep. Today, I slept all day. I keep telling myself that I

> want to go to the gym, clean my house, I keep it as clean as I can,

> but I want it cleaner...I just don't have the energy at all. I go to

> work, and I keep thinking about going home and sleeping. I have been

> telling myself for two years that I didn't want a boyfriend, but

> after being asked out, accepting and then being rejected after he met

> my son at the gym, it has hit me hard. I didn't know he was going to

> be at the gym, but he was there and my son was there, so I introduced

> him and never heard from him again. I feel like I am going to be

> alone forever because men don't want to deal with a child with

> Asperger's.... especially one that isn't their own. Not only that,

> the weather always makes me tired, it seems like as soon as October

> comes in Maine, I get sluggish and tired all the time. Plus, I feel

> like I have AS myself, and I just don't know how to get out of this

> slump. Maybe he didn't reject me for my son, maybe he just thinks I

> am a weirdo. I don't know. I am not going to call him and ask him.

> I have men that look at me like they are interested, but then they

> aren't. Maybe I am misreading them. Maybe I am just completely

> stupid... I don't know how women do it. I don't know how to do it

> all, how to work and be a mom and how to find a date, the mere

> thought of calling a man gives me panic attacks. I asked a man out

> the once, a man who talked to me alot, who seemed interested, was

> very friendly, or so I thought. I had been talking to him at a store

> for about a month, and when I asked him if he'd like to get a cup of

> coffee, he said, " Umm, not really. " I don't know if it's me, or if

> it is, what about me is unacceptable. I am 5'6 " , 160 lbs, not

> skinny, but not that fat, blonde hair, blue eyes, german and irish,

> when I was skinny, I had men asking me out all the time. Now, it's

> like I have the plague. Part of me thinks, well, screw them if they

> don't want to date a slightly over weight person, but another part of

> me is lonely. What should I do?

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think depression is something you can avoid by choice. I mean,

certainly your attitude helps! And there are things you can do to try

to train your thought process. I think depression can occur not

specifically due to not realizing you have AS but because of having a

neurological disability to begin with - i.e. things are wired

differently so you have a predisposition to depression and not that you

are predisposed to depression because you are upset at being wired

differently. I do think preparing a person for dealing with the issues

related to having a disability is probably helpful.

Roxanna

" The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do

nothing. " E. Burke

( ) Depression

Hi There... I have read that many AS kids can eventually experience

depression,especially if they remain undiagnosed. I was wondering...

for those of you whose kids have been diagnosed for most of their

lives, are you finding that they can avoid depression because it helps

them to know they have AS and to be able to see it is out of their

control and there is a reason they don't do certain things by nature?

Just curious, as I was quite concerned when I read about tendancy for

depression.

[Guest guest]

I think you are so right Roxanna. I don't have AD....but am depessed...and my son who was dx with Asperger's does get depressed. He has known about his disorder since he was DX in 6th grade...before that he was dx with ADHD....(3rd grade)...and he knew then to. I was not going to hide it from him....it helped him to know why he was different and it helped the family too. I explained to him that his brain is wired differently than most but that doesn't mean he is any less of a person than the guy next to him. I explained to him that we don't know why God choose who is who but he has a reason for everything. And, I told him he is special...he has a gift...a gift from God...because many many people who have AS have contributed to society in special ways...computers, music, inventions, discoveries. And, I also told him, that if everyone on this planet thought exactly the

same way ...it would be a BORING world...he gives us a new way of looking at things...a different and unique perspective and makes this world an interesting place to live.

<font face="arial black" color="#bf00bf">Janice Rushen</font>

<font face="Arial Black" color="#bf00bf"></font> & nbsp;

<em><font face="Arial Black" color="#7f007f">"I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope"</font></em>

From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 9:38:57 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Depression

I don't think depression is something you can avoid by choice. I mean, certainly your attitude helps! And there are things you can do to try to train your thought process. I think depression can occur not specifically due to not realizing you have AS but because of having a neurological disability to begin with - i.e. things are wired differently so you have a predisposition to depression and not that you are predisposed to depression because you are upset at being wired differently. I do think preparing a person for dealing with the issues related to having a disability is probably helpful.Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke ( ) DepressionHi There... I have read that many AS kids can eventually experience depression,especial ly if they remain undiagnosed. I was wondering... for those of you whose kids have been diagnosed for most of their lives, are you finding that they can avoid depression because it helps them to know they have AS and to be able to see it is out of their control and there is a reason they don't do certain things by nature? Just curious, as I was quite concerned when I read about tendancy for depression.

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone. It has been a while since I wrote....My son who is 14 is down to

one friend. He denies being depressed...but what 14 year old boy sleeps the

entire weekend away...

Today we had a day off from school...he went to bed at 1:30 am and slept till

3:30 p.m. and then took a shower and went back to bed...

I am nervous and afraid for him....he won't talk to us...

does any one have any thoughts...what can I do? what should I do?

jan

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan......

It's been awhile. I'm so sorry for you and your son. It sounds like depression to me, too.

I remember you mentioning meds,,,,,but is he on any for moods/depression?

I think you should follow your heart............ Because I think you know somethings going on.

Can you get a call into your doc just to ask a question about it?

Maybe get an adjustment on meds if needed? I know that with our growing kids and their hormones, etc,,,,,,,,things are changing all the time. Maybe it's "as simple" as an adjustment? I hope so for his sake....and yours.

My heart goes out to you, lady. You've been through so much with him....and you've always been so honest with all of us, here, about what you are feeling and going through.Hugs.

Robin

From: jan <jrushen@...>Subject: ( ) depression Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 6:49 PM

Hi everyone. It has been a while since I wrote....My son who is 14 is down to one friend. He denies being depressed... but what 14 year old boy sleeps the entire weekend away...Today we had a day off from school....he went to bed at 1:30 am and slept till 3:30 p.m. and then took a shower and went back to bed...I am nervous and afraid for him....he won't talk to us...does any one have any thoughts...what can I do? what should I do? jan