depression

January 14, 2010

I don't know if American teenagers are different from ish ones but ours can sleep for ages, I thought it was just a teenage thing, put it down to hormones, growth and interesting TV being on LATE!

Maybe worth giving your Dr a call to be on the safe side, cause you and your son have been through more than most. Hope it all works out ok.

Lor B

From: jan <jrushen (DOT) com>Subject: ( ) depression Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 6:49 PM

Hi everyone. It has been a while since I wrote....My son who is 14 is down to one friend. He denies being depressed... but what 14 year old boy sleeps the entire weekend away...Today we had a day off from school.....he went to bed at 1:30 am and slept till 3:30 p.m. and then took a shower and went back to bed...I am nervous and afraid for him....he won't talk to us...does any one have any thoughts...what can I do? what should I do? jan

January 14, 2010

Thanks Robin...it has been a rough road lately. He is doing okay in school...he could do fantastic...but he hates school...so he doesn't put any effort into it. I got tired of fighting him about it and let him suffer the consequences. So far he is passing everything. I do give him incentives to get better grades...

But it is the social area where he is lonely. My son is very social oriented and wants friends badly. He lost a couple of close ones and hopefully the one will come back...and it was over something stupid...my son said he didn't like his girlfriend...OMG...the boys are worse than the girls.

He is on prozac but a low dose...20 mg. he had been on 40 mg. but the doctor lowered the dosage. That may be it. I do think part of it is the teen years...growing, hormones, body changing, etc. Also, part is boredom...but he doesn't want to do anything.

I will keep my eye on him and if things don't improve I will take him to our doctor. I alerted the school so they are keeping an eye on him.

Thanks....

Always...Jan

Janice Rushen

& nbsp;

"I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope"

From: and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 8:39:28 PMSubject: Re: ( ) depression

Hi Jan......

It's been awhile. I'm so sorry for you and your son. It sounds like depression to me, too.

I remember you mentioning meds,,,,,but is he on any for moods/depression?

I think you should follow your heart....... ..... Because I think you know somethings going on.

Can you get a call into your doc just to ask a question about it?

Maybe get an adjustment on meds if needed? I know that with our growing kids and their hormones, etc,,,,,,,,things are changing all the time. Maybe it's "as simple" as an adjustment? I hope so for his sake....and yours.

My heart goes out to you, lady. You've been through so much with him....and you've always been so honest with all of us, here, about what you are feeling and going through.Hugs.

Robin

From: jan <jrushen (DOT) com>Subject: ( ) depression Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 6:49 PM

Hi everyone. It has been a while since I wrote....My son who is 14 is down to one friend. He denies being depressed... but what 14 year old boy sleeps the entire weekend away...Today we had a day off from school....he went to bed at 1:30 am and slept till 3:30 p.m. and then took a shower and went back to bed...I am nervous and afraid for him....he won't talk to us...does any one have any thoughts...what can I do? what should I do? jan

January 14, 2010

My strategy has been to keep my daughter scheduled. She has to

go out on the weekends before 10am and at least to 3pm.

I offer reasonable priced places for

her to pick. I try to keep it what kids would typically go.

She can pick a resturant, she can spend some fixed amount on money

on clothes, her hair (not more on her obsession with pets).

It is not without hazards. She is stressed and sometimes hits

me (but I get on this group and tell you what happened and

then keep going so we are not isolated).

I would love her to join a teen group at the church but it would

be too overwhelming for her.

We go to family night at the YMCA sometimes.

What does your son like? I have to keep working on cultivating

an interest in things.

I am talking to her already about the summer she wants

me to take her to the beach to go to a aquarium there.

Fine, but it is isolating. I will take her for a few

overnights but I want her to go to a week

long camp for AS kids in VT at the Maple Leaf Clinic.

I would love her to go to a longer camp but she will almost

for sure drop out. She also said she would try a sewing camp

for a week. That sounded good to me they have lunch there.

I am going to find out if I can get an aide to go with

her to a camp at the middle school this summer so she

can go to band camp and also do some arts and crafts

but she has to have an aide otherwise I know she will

be overwhelmed.

Zoloft did brighten my daughter's mood. 50mg made a big

difference right away. We started at a low dose. I had

a hard time getting her medication but she hit a low

spot last spring and refused to go to school. Medication,

and a new school helped a lot.

Pam

>

> Hi everyone. It has been a while since I wrote....My son who is 14 is down to

one friend. He denies being depressed...but what 14 year old boy sleeps the

entire weekend away...

>

> Today we had a day off from school...he went to bed at 1:30 am and slept till

3:30 p.m. and then took a shower and went back to bed...

>

> I am nervous and afraid for him....he won't talk to us...

>

> does any one have any thoughts...what can I do? what should I do?

>

> jan

>

January 14, 2010

Hi....My son is 14...becoming a young adult...teen...it is so hard to get him interested in anything...he is afraid of a lot of sports...he does like to ride his bike...and he does like the pool...but he wants to be with friends and not me. Ha ha! He does get upset when out with friends and acts childish and will pout. There is absolutely no way he would go to camp. I am not sure what we will do this summer as he doesn't want to be around me. He is a "teen" in that sense..and mom and dad just aren't cool. LOL.

If you can get your daughter to camp...do so...just make sure she does have an aide...we have a girl in the high school with AS...and she has days when she melts down and has to go somewhere quiet to read...her aide takes her on walks and helps her do breathing exercises.

Since school is so stressful for him ...I sometimes just let him be in the summer to chill out and de-stress. I will have to talk to him about this.

My son is on 20 mg. of Prozac. He had been on 20 mg. I am hoping this is just teen stuff but will definitely keep my eye on him.

thanks

Janice Rushen

& nbsp;

"I will try to be open to all avenues of wisdom and hope"

From: Pamela <susanonderko@...> Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 8:13:18 PMSubject: ( ) Re: depression

My strategy has been to keep my daughter scheduled. She has to go out on the weekends before 10am and at least to 3pm.I offer reasonable priced places for her to pick. I try to keep it what kids would typically go.She can pick a resturant, she can spend some fixed amount on moneyon clothes, her hair (not more on her obsession with pets).It is not without hazards. She is stressed and sometimes hitsme (but I get on this group and tell you what happened andthen keep going so we are not isolated).I would love her to join a teen group at the church but it wouldbe too overwhelming for her.We go to family night at the YMCA sometimes.What does your son like? I have to keep working on cultivating an interest in things. I am talking to her already about the summer she wantsme to take her to the beach to go to a aquarium there.Fine, but it is isolating. I will take her for a

fewovernights but I want her to go to a weeklong camp for AS kids in VT at the Maple Leaf Clinic.I would love her to go to a longer camp but she will almostfor sure drop out. She also said she would try a sewing campfor a week. That sounded good to me they have lunch there.I am going to find out if I can get an aide to go with her to a camp at the middle school this summer so she can go to band camp and also do some arts and craftsbut she has to have an aide otherwise I know she will be overwhelmed.Zoloft did brighten my daughter's mood. 50mg made a bigdifference right away. We started at a low dose. I hada hard time getting her medication but she hit a lowspot last spring and refused to go to school. Medication,and a new school helped a lot. Pam >> Hi everyone. It has been a while since I wrote....My son who is 14 is down to one friend. He denies being depressed... but what 14 year old boy sleeps the entire weekend away...> > Today we had a day off from school...he went to bed at 1:30 am and slept till 3:30 p.m. and then took a shower and went back to bed...> > I am nervous and afraid for him....he won't talk to us...> > does any one have any thoughts...what can I do? what should I do? > > jan>

October 24, 2010

Hi myemaleis and Welcome,

This comes up as a problem for men starting on a starting dose of Gel. Your Dr.

should have had you back in 2 weeks to see how your doing on this starting dose

and did more labs to be sure it's working. Read this copy of a File I made

about this.

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Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you donâ€™t spike up your labs. If you

canâ€™t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but donâ€™t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: myemaleis <myemaleis@...>

> Subject: depression

>

> Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 7:30 PM

> I used the gel for about two weels

> and got really depressed, any sugestions. my t was 289, so

> the doc gave me the androgel but I stopped because of the

> depression. I going back to the doc on tuesday, Hank

>

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>

April 3, 2011

My wife is a depressive sad sack at times and this is what I give her . . .

An alternative to chemical antidepressants is neurotransmitter precursors.

They are found in health food shops and work out much cheaper than SSRIs and

other pharmaceuticals.

I have found that a mixture of amino acids and co-factor minerals and

(low-dose) vitamins will alleviate a state of depression within hours. The

formula should be taken on an empty stomach.

Tryptophan 500 mg

Methionine 500 mg

Phenylalanine 500 mg

Acetacholine (such as found in choline bitartrate) 500 mg (avoids any

'headachy'

feeling)

These are the essential amino acids. The following useful extras are the

'helper' enzymes and minerals:

Vitamins B12 (cyanocobalamin) 500 mcg, B6 (pyridoxine hydrochloride or

preferably pyridoxal 5-phosphate) 25 mg, B9 (folic acid or preferably

5-metryl-tetrahydrofolate) 500 mcg

A multimineral for good measure most especially containing zinc 50 mg

Potassium phosphate 50 mg or equivalent potassium mineral supplement and

Magnesium phosphate 50 mg or equivalent magnesium mineral supplement

You may alsowishto add:

Glutathione 500 mg

Carnitine 500 mg

. . . And to slow you down (at night-time?), Taurine 1000 mg and Lysine 500

mg assists.

The above dosages are a guide only, you can mix and match to suit yourself.

Some people get by with one fifth of the dose. Others need extra Tryptophan.

One man says: " I can quite literally correct a state of very severe

depression with suicidal ideation in myself within a single day. I have

intentionally induced and then corrected such a severe state of depression

many dozens of times in myself in the past five years within the timeframe

specified. I have also corrected well over a hundred states of serious

depression that were simply not severe enough to exhibit suicidal ideation

during this same period of time as well. "

Enjoy

April 7, 2011

I am finally getting around to thanking you for this formula. I shall

try it. Going to take some study though on my part. This is a lot of

info. I agree completely that we are largely an electro chemical soup

although toxins and environment play important roles as well. I am

going to start today getting this anti-depression cocktail ready. Your

wife is a fortunate woman to have a husband like you that would do

this for her. SSRIs and other pharmaceuticals do nothing for me.

Cannabis works best on me to jerk me out of the depression ditch but

it definitely slows down productivity too. Rick Simpson's patients

swear that his hemp oil oil cured them of cancers too. There is

something about those cannabinoids! I used a medical herbal vaporizer

so I didn't mess up my lungs. Wish it was legal though so I had to

stop for now.

Blessings

Natural health

Through Natural means

Is a Divine Right.

Bell Buckle, Tn.

April 7, 2011

Thanks for your kind words . In addition to the energy work and the

positive thinking work, I believe in a diet that consists mostly of fresh

vegetables and fruit and taking viamins (specifically B, C, D and E)and

supplements including co-q 10 (which seems to work well with respect to energy

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Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011