Sleep Issues

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Hi

Well maybe you and I could chat online when our

kids have us up at 4am. LOL Actually it is

usually 3am EST here! My son has always had

night terrors. Eventually they wake him up or I

do so he stops moaning, hitting or whatever he is

doing during the dreams. That is one thing that

has stayed consistent. He also has other

obsessions and rituals that have been consistent,

such as closing doors, lining things up, getting

" stuck " on things, etc. What we have noticed is

that when one thing leaves another one takes it's

place almost instantly. Has anyone else every

come up with something that helped the night

terrors?

Take care,

Kay (ALilNutty)

--- Roman <ChrisRoman@...>

wrote:

> From: Roman <ChrisRoman@...>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Thanks for being such a lifeline for me. I'm

> really struggling with how OCD

> moves around. When Kelsey was losing weight and

> not eating, I thought

> nothing could be as bad as that. But not

> wearing clothes turned out to be a

> close second. Now that those issues have

> disappeared, she's having trouble

> completing homework because she has to erase

> and re-write constantly. It

> took us a half hour to write a sentence

> yesterday! (Still, I must remember

> to be grateful for clothes and food, right?)

>

> But the sleep issue is really boggling me.

> She's always been a fabulous

> sleeper. Then it was anxiety when I'd leave at

> night and trouble falling

> asleep. We do relaxation exercises and I also

> let her fall asleep to a

> fabulous visualization tape I have for kids,

> which seems to keep her mind

> otherwise occupied. (The tape is called " Good

> Night " by Jim Weiss who has a

> very sleep-inducing voice. It's available

> through the Chinaberry Books

> catalog 800-776-2242 for anyone who's

> interested. It has little vignettes

> of going to sleep in a treehouse in a forest,

> in a hammock on an island,

> in a farmhouse after a day of picking apples,

> etc.)

>

> But now she's waking repeatedly during the

> night with recurrent dreams.

> Last night she was up an hour and a half. Of

> course, I was awake the rest

> of the night obsessing about her obsessions.

> I'm also not at my best at 4

> am. How do others handle this issue? Also, do

> most kids have lots of

> different obsessions that disappear in two

> weeks in place of new ones or is

> it more common to have a few that are fairly

> consistent?

>

> in S.D.

>

>

>

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Hi and everyone,

My daughter from infancy was always a fabulous sleeper too, but this changed

when she was put on an SSRI. From the first dose of Prozac she was tired,

but wired, and just couldn't seem to relax enough to fall asleep. She also

didn't seem to suffer from less sleep, thanks to the Prozac she wasn't tired

the next day at all. I certainly was though. Now she's on Luvox and even

though that's supposed to be more sedating, sleep troubles continue, she

gets very anxious, worked-up and has bad ocd feelings most nights from about

dinner until bedtime. This is because of worrying about lying up there for

a long period of time, waiting for sleep to come and thinking her thoughts,

also because Luvox seems to give her dramatic nightmares that she recalls

the next day. I've sort-of solved this latest sleep problem by sitting next

to her bed and insisting she lie still, not talk, etc.; she's fallen asleep

in about a half-hour or so these past five nights I've been doing this--big

improvement over the two hours it was taking. Of course I know I'm giving

her the strong idea that she can't fall asleep without Mommy sitting there,

but I'll solve that problem later I guess. I think I'll see about ordering

the tape you use, my girl is five, do you think it would be

appropriate for her? Something that has helped my child get to sleep is

Benedryl about a half-hour before bedtime, this worked great while she was

taking Prozac but curiously doesn't do anything now she's on Luvox.

Kellen's doctor also mentioned other meds to help with the sleep problems

that ocd and/or SSRI's bring--have you discussed this problem with your

daughter's doctor?

My daughter's obsessions have stayed constant since they began, also her

top-of-the-hierarchy compulsions, but she has many many lower-order

compulsions (they seem that to me at least) that come out of nowhere and

drive everyone nuts for awhile, then disappear. New ones are coming on all

the time, and some are waning, at any given time. It's as though she can

remember or deal with just so many at any one time.

Kathy R. in Indiana

Sleep issues

> From: Roman <ChrisRoman@...>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Thanks for being such a lifeline for me. I'm really struggling with how

OCD

> moves around. When Kelsey was losing weight and not eating, I thought

> nothing could be as bad as that. But not wearing clothes turned out to be

a

> close second. Now that those issues have disappeared, she's having trouble

> completing homework because she has to erase and re-write constantly. It

> took us a half hour to write a sentence yesterday! (Still, I must remember

> to be grateful for clothes and food, right?)

>

> But the sleep issue is really boggling me. She's always been a fabulous

> sleeper. Then it was anxiety when I'd leave at night and trouble falling

> asleep. We do relaxation exercises and I also let her fall asleep to a

> fabulous visualization tape I have for kids, which seems to keep her mind

> otherwise occupied. (The tape is called " Good Night " by Jim Weiss who has

a

> very sleep-inducing voice. It's available through the Chinaberry Books

> catalog 800-776-2242 for anyone who's interested. It has little vignettes

> of going to sleep in a treehouse in a forest, in a hammock on an island,

> in a farmhouse after a day of picking apples, etc.)

>

> But now she's waking repeatedly during the night with recurrent dreams.

> Last night she was up an hour and a half. Of course, I was awake the rest

> of the night obsessing about her obsessions. I'm also not at my best at 4

> am. How do others handle this issue? Also, do most kids have lots of

> different obsessions that disappear in two weeks in place of new ones or

is

> it more common to have a few that are fairly consistent?

>

> in S.D.

>

>

>

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Dear

Our experience has been opposite: andra (age 5) NEVER slept through the

night until she started on Prozac last fall. Now she regularly does, although

it takes her about half an hour

longer to fall asleep. I have to sit with her until she falls asleep but the

trade off is worth it for us.

I do notice that when her dosage is raised, she will have a restless night or

two with vivid dreams.

I was glad to see what you wrote about the Chinaberry tape. I have the catalog

and had been wondering about ordering that very tape!

About the obsessions: andra has some constants, particularly fears, and

other obsessions that seem to come and go. For a while it was hand washing and

frequent urination; currently it's

trading cards and having to repeat certain rhythms and movements.

Take care

Lesli

desk@...

Roman wrote:

> From: Roman <ChrisRoman@...>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Thanks for being such a lifeline for me. I'm really struggling with how OCD

> moves around. When Kelsey was losing weight and not eating, I thought

> nothing could be as bad as that. But not wearing clothes turned out to be a

> close second. Now that those issues have disappeared, she's having trouble

> completing homework because she has to erase and re-write constantly. It

> took us a half hour to write a sentence yesterday! (Still, I must remember

> to be grateful for clothes and food, right?)

>

> But the sleep issue is really boggling me. She's always been a fabulous

> sleeper. Then it was anxiety when I'd leave at night and trouble falling

> asleep. We do relaxation exercises and I also let her fall asleep to a

> fabulous visualization tape I have for kids, which seems to keep her mind

> otherwise occupied. (The tape is called " Good Night " by Jim Weiss who has a

> very sleep-inducing voice. It's available through the Chinaberry Books

> catalog 800-776-2242 for anyone who's interested. It has little vignettes

> of going to sleep in a treehouse in a forest, in a hammock on an island,

> in a farmhouse after a day of picking apples, etc.)

>

> But now she's waking repeatedly during the night with recurrent dreams.

> Last night she was up an hour and a half. Of course, I was awake the rest

> of the night obsessing about her obsessions. I'm also not at my best at 4

> am. How do others handle this issue? Also, do most kids have lots of

> different obsessions that disappear in two weeks in place of new ones or is

> it more common to have a few that are fairly consistent?

>

> in S.D.

>

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In a message dated 9/12/2002 4:02:42 PM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

<<

Laurie,

We've had that problem with for years. is now 7 1/2 so what I am

recommending, you might want to discuss with your dr, but here is a link

about using Melatonin. We started using it with about 3 weeks ago and

within a half an hour he is out cold for the whole night. We give 1

mg. Here is the link http://www.autism.org/melatonin.html I originally had

it in the house for me. My dr had recommended it to get me to sleep, buy my

anxiety is too strong. It's not a sleeping pill, it's just a natural

substance that we all have, but some studies show that children with

disablilites, might not have enough to allow them to fall asleep. Keep us

posted!!

Tollefson

>>

We have used Melatonin for several years with . It helps him get to

sleep but doens't keep him asleep through the night.

I will openly admit to being a terrible parent right here. On a few occasions

when he was totally wired and could not calm himself to get to sleep and it

had been going on so many days and nights that I was not functioning anymore

I gave him benadry. It only works for him if it is the dyeless. That red dye

is awful with him.

But, it gave me a night to get myself back to a place that could manage.

karyn

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we lock BJ in his bedroom. He screamed the first week or two- but he now

knows he is not allowed to leave his room unless we get him out. Sounds

nasty- but he can get out of our house- we found him on the street one

morning. This house we just took his handle off his side of the door,

and he has no troubles- some days he knocks on the door to be let out,

other days he just plays on his own...BJ doesn't have a day nap anymore.

When we couldn't take the door handle apart we tied it shut.

Sounds nasty, but I got the idea of tying from here and also a

toddler taming book. And in case you are wondering- it is not considered

child abuse to lock your child in their room when they are sleep ing

gavinsaunt1 wrote:

> For the past several months, Gavin will not sleep alone. We were

> hoping it would quickly pass, but it hasn't and we all need sleep!!

> Sometimes we're lucky enough to get him to sleep in his own room, but

> in the middle of the night, he climbs into bed with someone. We've

> tried having him sleep with one of us and then when he does go to

> sleep, we take him to his room. Still doesn't work. He then wakes up

> and finds us. It's not just at night, but also at nap time. He was

> always a Great sleeper....until now.

> Any suggestions?

> Traci and Gavin, 4

>

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In a message dated 6/8/2003 9:26:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

lisa@... writes:

> Sounds nasty, but I got the idea of tying from here and also a

> toddler taming book.

Keeping him safe, no matter what you've got to do, doesn't sound nasty to me.

Safety is something you just can't compromise on.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 5)

[Guest guest]

Did something scare him at school? Maybe a scary book? It could also be a

phase. I don't know what to tell you since I've never encountered this problem

with Jordan.

Judi

[Guest guest]

My son has had trouble since birth, we 2 have done melatonin. I

always give my son cartoons at bedtime I turn th volume real low so

he has to really concentrate to hear it..seems to help him get a lil

more relaxed, and I have also used a massage chair cushion placed

between the mattresses (about $15-20)he focased on the slight

movements and the motorized sound, offering a comforting distraction

from yugioh, and nice warm bath also helps.

[Guest guest]

Hi . My daughter has had this for 2 different reasons. One she couldn't

sleep because she had a compulsion that was her way of preventing a fire

during the night. I am glad that one is done. Also, she couldn't sleep when was

in her 1st depression, as she woke up continually through the night. Has she

shared if something is preventing her from sleeping? Kim

In a message dated 4/2/2005 5:01:22 PM Central Standard Time,

stonebrokeacres@... writes:

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone else's kids have had problems with sleeping.

My 12yr. dd has had trouble lately. She has been coming down throughout

the night crying and saying she has not had any sleep. She has started

puberty. Any advice would be appreciated. I just bought some melatonin

today to try at bedtime.

Thanks! S

[Guest guest]

,

My 16 yr old has had sleep problems for years. Our doctor recommended valerian

root capsules. Really worked for her & my husband. We purchase ours at Walmart.

I will warn you though, they stink! When you open the bottle it smells like

dirty socks. So if there are any sensory issues, she may not take it because of

the smell. We have never tried melatonin since the valerian root worked so well.

Good luck!

Ramona

Sleep Issues

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone else's kids have had problems with sleeping.

My 12yr. dd has had trouble lately. She has been coming down throughout

the night crying and saying she has not had any sleep. She has started

puberty. Any advice would be appreciated. I just bought some melatonin

today to try at bedtime.

Thanks! S

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Why do you have quit e-mailing me under my sleep issue question? I have

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.....and they called it puppy love! Those wonderful teen years, one sided

love is safe....LOL, and cheaper. No new clothes, money for pizza

gatherings, and trips to the mall. Enjoy this time of the one sided love,

it will change just like everything else. Just be thankful she is talking

and giving you information, some teens keep their parents in the dark. I

could be mistaken but I thought all teens obsessed over boys/girls......

Amy

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From: Sandy [mailto:melbiscuit5@...]

Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:36 PM

Subject: sleep issues

My daughter just told me today she is having trouble sleeping. I

thought it was from bads thoughts, right, or something along those

lines. Well, she thinks she is in love! Not very hungry either because

of butterflies. I think she is obsessing on it, but she says, " No mom,

you just don't want me to grow up, it is love. " The boy doesn't even

like her. This is the 6th boy she has liked this school year. Never a

dull moment! Sandy

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Hi Sandy, your post gave me a giggle...I'm trying hard to think of ERP to

get her past this one, but short of marriage I am coming up empty :-)

Seriously, I read recently of a brain imaging study: the same parts of the

brain light up when OCDers obsess, when smokers think of smoking, and when

those in love think of their beloved. So I guess some symptoms of OCD and

love share similarities.

Hope you both get some sleep tonight!

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: " Sandy " <melbiscuit5@...>

> My daughter just told me today she is having trouble sleeping. I

> thought it was from bads thoughts, right, or something along those

> lines. Well, she thinks she is in love! Not very hungry either because

> of butterflies. I think she is obsessing on it, but she says, " No mom,

> you just don't want me to grow up, it is love. " The boy doesn't even

> like her. This is the 6th boy she has liked this school year. Never a

> dull moment! Sandy

[Guest guest]

: the same parts of the

brain light up when OCDers obsess, when smokers think of smoking, and when

those in love think of their beloved. So I guess some symptoms of OCD and

love share similarities.

---That's interesting. One would think there would be some pleasure involved in

the thoughts of smoking or lovers. Maybe there is a degree of satisfaction or

pleasure sought in the thought of ocds?

kimz

[Guest guest]

I don't know...the study itself was about addictions. I didn't read the

original study, only read about the results in Science News which is

basically " clips " science stories from other sources for each week. I can

try to find the issue if you'd like to know the particulars--who did the

original study, where, etc.

I 've read in the past OCD has been linked in some ways to the process of

addiction, for example obsessive thinking re the drug of choice. Also that

OCDers are more likely than non-OCDers to have alcoholism in their families.

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: " Kim Zarzour " <k.zarzour@...

> : the same parts of the

> brain light up when OCDers obsess, when smokers think of smoking, and when

> those in love think of their beloved. So I guess some symptoms of OCD and

> love share similarities.

>

> ---That's interesting. One would think there would be some pleasure

> involved in the thoughts of smoking or lovers. Maybe there is a degree of

> satisfaction or pleasure sought in the thought of ocds?

> kimz

[Guest guest]

Have you tested him for sleep apnea or any other sleep issues? also have you tried doing something real physical with him in the afternoon?Stacey <all4cam@...> wrote: My son (9yrs old )has been using clonidine for years to help him go to sleep at night.I think he may have built up an "immunity" he's able to go down for bed but just not able to stay asleep,he's up within a few hrs and climbs into bed with me..after a while he may go back to sleep but most times he cannot and I have to give him a 1/2 of a tablet.I give him 1 1/2 tablet at

bedtime(0.1mg tablets)any suggestions?stacey

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I don't know the answer to your question ... I'm just glad to know

that my son isn't the only one with sleep promblems! Is sleep

problems a common thing?

Celia

>

> My son (9yrs old )has been using clonidine for years to help him

go to

> sleep at night.I think he may have built up an " immunity " he's

able to

> go down for bed but just not able to stay asleep,he's up within a

few

> hrs and climbs into bed with me..after a while he may go back to

sleep

> but most times he cannot and I have to give him a 1/2 of a

tablet.I

> give him 1 1/2 tablet at bedtime(0.1mg tablets)

>

> any suggestions?

>

> stacey

>

[Guest guest]

Stacey,

Have you tried to give him Melatonin? You can get it at GNC. Our

developmental Pediatrician and our clinician suggested it for my 10 year

old with PDD. He takes 6mg (2 tablets) and a whole clonidine at bedtime.

It is quite effective and he is usually out within a half an hour.

>

>

>

> >

> > My son (9yrs old )has been using clonidine for years to help him

> go to

> > sleep at night.I think he may have built up an " immunity " he's

> able to

> > go down for bed but just not able to stay asleep,he's up within a

> few

> > hrs and climbs into bed with me..after a while he may go back to

> sleep

> > but most times he cannot and I have to give him a 1/2 of a

> tablet.I

> > give him 1 1/2 tablet at bedtime(0.1mg tablets)

> >

> > any suggestions?

> >

> > stacey

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes he does... unless it is storming or something and he doesn't go

down... But it is quite effective and we have been on this dose for

some time now ( about 6 months) I bought the time release ones.

I take the melatonin myself and find that if I don't take it I cannot

sleep either.

> We initially started with melatonin and he used it for years then he

> just became tolerant to it that's why we started using clonidine.I

> hadn't tried using both the melatonin and clonidine though...does your

> son sleep through the night without waking up?

>

> Stacey

>

[Guest guest]

My son tried melatonin years ago. It put him to sleep but he woke up wired. Do the time release help? Does Kirkman sell time release melatonin?

Janet

Re: Re: sleep issues

Yes he does... unless it is storming or something and he doesn't go down... But it is quite effective and we have been on this dose for some time now ( about 6 months) I bought the time release ones.I take the melatonin myself and find that if I don't take it I cannot sleep either.> We initially started with melatonin and he used it for years then he > just became tolerant to it that's why we started using clonidine.I > hadn't tried using both the melatonin and clonidine though...does your > son sleep through the night without waking up?>> Stacey>

[Guest guest]

Hi Celia,

From what I understand it is very common.It can be due to various

health issues as well,seizures,reflux etc.In my son's case he has

always had a hard time regulating himself and when he was little (2

or 3yrs)he would be up till all hrs (2 or 3am)when he'd finally just

pass out and go to sleep..from exhaustion I'm sure.We tried Valerian

but nothing happened.The melatonin worked really well for quite a

few years and I have suggested it to many of my friends who have

tried it with their kids with great success!

I would just like to be able to say " goodnite " and see him in the

morning ..instead of a few hrs later ..he's in my bed! I dunno maybe

he just feels the need to be with me..kindof a parenting during the

night sort or thing! I am a single parent so that could be a

possibility. I dont mind it sometimes..but I'd sure like to have my

bed to myself more!

Stacey

> >

> > My son (9yrs old )has been using clonidine for years to help him

> go to

> > sleep at night.I think he may have built up an " immunity " he's

> able to

> > go down for bed but just not able to stay asleep,he's up within

a

> few

> > hrs and climbs into bed with me..after a while he may go back to

> sleep

> > but most times he cannot and I have to give him a 1/2 of a

> tablet.I

> > give him 1 1/2 tablet at bedtime(0.1mg tablets)

> >

> > any suggestions?

> >

> > stacey

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I buy it at GNC, I don't know where else to get it.

Janet Shaughnessy wrote:

> My son tried melatonin years ago. It put him to sleep but he woke up

> wired. Do the time release help? Does Kirkman sell time release melatonin?

> Janet

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, We have the same problem ... late night visits from . Not only does it take him almost two hours to get to sleep, if not longer, he wakes up several times a night and doesn't go right back to sleep. I know he is tired because he is on the go all day and doesn't nap. I have an appointment this week with his doctor because I think it would help him have a better day if he was properly rested. CeliaStacey <all4cam@...> wrote: Hi Celia,From what I understand it is very

common.It can be due to various health issues as well,seizures,reflux etc.In my son's case he has always had a hard time regulating himself and when he was little (2 or 3yrs)he would be up till all hrs (2 or 3am)when he'd finally just pass out and go to sleep..from exhaustion I'm sure.We tried Valerian but nothing happened.The melatonin worked really well for quite a few years and I have suggested it to many of my friends who have tried it with their kids with great success! I would just like to be able to say "goodnite" and see him in the morning ..instead of a few hrs later ..he's in my bed! I dunno maybe he just feels the need to be with me..kindof a parenting during the night sort or thing! I am a single parent so that could be a possibility. I dont mind it sometimes..but I'd sure like to have my bed to myself more!Stacey> >> > My son (9yrs old )has been using clonidine for years to help him > go to > > sleep at night.I think he may have built up an "immunity" he's > able to > > go down for bed but just not able to stay asleep,he's up within a > few > > hrs and climbs into bed with me..after a while he may go back to > sleep > > but most times he

cannot and I have to give him a 1/2 of a > tablet.I > > give him 1 1/2 tablet at bedtime(0.1mg tablets)> > > > any suggestions?> > > > stacey> >> __________________________________________________

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---My son is 15 now, but used to have sleep problems. Up 'til 2-3 AM

doing things like taking a bag full of apples, taking bites out of

them and spitting them into the fish aquarium 'til it is

FULL...filling the tub w/water, then pouring a large bag of cheetos

into the water, emptying the ENTIRE refrigerator onto the kitchen

floor, etc. I never knew what I would wake up to! This was when he was

3-6 years old. He has been falling asleep around 9PM on a regular

basis for several years.

I also had many nights when I would lie down with him, and he would

fall asleep looking into my eyes, this was one of the very few times

he would make eye contact...it was almost like he was afraid to fall

asleep, wondering if the world would be there when he woke up. I would

also gently run my fingers over his face and over his eyelids, closing

them.

If he has trouble falling asleep now, Melatonin works for him, but

these nights are few and far between. I noticed big changes when I

started him on the Gluten-Casein free diet, and began using

nutritional supplements.

Peace and HOPE, Lindy

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In autism , Brad Thibodaux

<daux_family@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> We have the same problem ... late night visits from . Not

only does it take him almost two hours to get to sleep, if not longer,

he wakes up several times a night and doesn't go right back to sleep.

I know he is tired because he is on the go all day and doesn't nap. I

have an appointment this week with his doctor because I think it would

help him have a better day if he was properly rested.

>

> Celia

>

> Stacey <all4cam@...> wrote:

> Hi Celia,

> From what I understand it is very common.It can be due to various

> health issues as well,seizures,reflux etc.In my son's case he has

> always had a hard time regulating himself and when he was little (2

> or 3yrs)he would be up till all hrs (2 or 3am)when he'd finally just

> pass out and go to sleep..from exhaustion I'm sure.We tried Valerian

> but nothing happened.The melatonin worked really well for quite a

> few years and I have suggested it to many of my friends who have

> tried it with their kids with great success!

>

> I would just like to be able to say " goodnite " and see him in the

> morning ..instead of a few hrs later ..he's in my bed! I dunno maybe

> he just feels the need to be with me..kindof a parenting during the

> night sort or thing! I am a single parent so that could be a

> possibility. I dont mind it sometimes..but I'd sure like to have my

> bed to myself more!

>

> Stacey

>

>

> > >

> > > My son (9yrs old )has been using clonidine for years to help him

> > go to

> > > sleep at night.I think he may have built up an " immunity " he's

> > able to

> > > go down for bed but just not able to stay asleep,he's up within

> a

> > few

> > > hrs and climbs into bed with me..after a while he may go back to

> > sleep

> > > but most times he cannot and I have to give him a 1/2 of a

> > tablet.I

> > > give him 1 1/2 tablet at bedtime(0.1mg tablets)

> > >

> > > any suggestions?

> > >

> > > stacey

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Lindy,

Oh my gosh! You remind me of when my son was little.We used to have to lay with

him ...face to face and he'd be looking right into our eyes..what I'd do is

start fluttering my eyelids and eventually close them and then he would too! For

years he needed someone to be right next to him and he'd seek skin-to-skin

contact and that would be comforting to him and he'd eventually fall asleep.When

he was around 6months old or so he'd rub your nose with the palm of his hand and

that's how he'd fall asleep! Wow,that's really something ..I never met anyone

who had that same story to tell! I used to say he thought he'd miss something if

he closed his eyes and went to sleep!

Stacey

From: reverseautism <reverseautism@...>

Date: Thu Jun 22 23:14:28 CDT 2006

autism

Subject: Re: sleep issues

---My son is 15 now, but used to have sleep problems. Up 'til 2-3 AM

doing things like taking a bag full of apples, taking bites out of

them and spitting them into the fish aquarium 'til it is

FULL...filling the tub w/water, then pouring a large bag of cheetos

into the water, emptying the ENTIRE refrigerator onto the kitchen

floor, etc. I never knew what I would wake up to! This was when he was

3-6 years old. He has been falling asleep around 9PM on a regular

basis for several years.

I also had many nights when I would lie down with him, and he would

fall asleep looking into my eyes, this was one of the very few times

he would make eye contact...it was almost like he was afraid to fall

asleep, wondering if the world would be there when he woke up. I would

also gently run my fingers over his face and over his eyelids, closing

them.

If he has trouble falling asleep now, Melatonin works for him, but

these nights are few and far between. I noticed big changes when I

started him on the Gluten-Casein free diet, and began using

nutritional supplements.

Peace and HOPE, Lindy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In autism , Brad Thibodaux

<daux_family@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> We have the same problem ... late night visits from . Not

only does it take him almost two hours to get to sleep, if not longer,

he wakes up several times a night and doesn't go right back to sleep.

I know he is tired because he is on the go all day and doesn't nap. I

have an appointment this week with his doctor because I think it would

help him have a better day if he was properly rested.

>

> Celia

>

> Stacey <all4cam@...> wrote:

> Hi Celia,

> From what I understand it is very common.It can be due to various

> health issues as well,seizures,reflux etc.In my son's case he has

> always had a hard time regulating himself and when he was little (2

> or 3yrs)he would be up till all hrs (2 or 3am)when he'd finally just

> pass out and go to sleep..from exhaustion I'm sure.We tried Valerian

> but nothing happened.The melatonin worked really well for quite a

> few years and I have suggested it to many of my friends who have

> tried it with their kids with great success!

>

> I would just like to be able to say " goodnite " and see him in the

> morning ..instead of a few hrs later ..he's in my bed! I dunno maybe

> he just feels the need to be with me..kindof a parenting during the

> night sort or thing! I am a single parent so that could be a

> possibility. I dont mind it sometimes..but I'd sure like to have my

> bed to myself more!

>

> Stacey

>

>

> > >

> > > My son (9yrs old )has been using clonidine for years to help him

> > go to

> > > sleep at night.I think he may have built up an " immunity " he's

> > able to

> > > go down for bed but just not able to stay asleep,he's up within

> a

> > few

> > > hrs and climbs into bed with me..after a while he may go back to

> > sleep

> > > but most times he cannot and I have to give him a 1/2 of a

> > tablet.I

> > > give him 1 1/2 tablet at bedtime(0.1mg tablets)

> > >

> > > any suggestions?

> > >

> > > stacey

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>