Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I have a theory. The order of intervening in a person who has Central Nervous System dysfunction is 1. Medical - you've done that apparently 2. Neural connectivity - accomplished in a number of ways, but Zengar Neurofeedback was the single biggest factor in our kids 3. Explicit training like reading, speech/language, coordination leading to capability in sports for example 1. Medical: You won't get anywhere with a person who has biochemical abnormalities. Our body is really a giant container of chemicals if you stop and think about it. There is no function in our body that is not perpetrated by a chemical reaction. So body chemistry has to be working first before you can get any farther. Neurons can't fire if they don't have the basic chemicals to get the job done. Digestive Enzymes can't be made and work properly if the basic inputs aren't there. Leaky Gut will wreak havoc on a body and lead to all kinds of inflammatory processes -which I personally think is the reason for a lot of what looks like ADHD 2. Body's being as complicated as they are...my observation is that after you get healthy it doesn't mean you necessarily have gone thru the developmental sequence that would lead to a correct state of maturity of the CNS. So parts of your CNS could be quite immature and underdeveloped. We did maybe 5-6 kinds of therapies including OT - BrainGym, PACE, NeuroNet, PT, NAET, acupuncture and more, and altho each of these programs helped, it seemed disjointed and also didn't stick. The single greatest benefit we have gotten was through doing Zengar Neurofeedback. I ended up bringing a system home so I could increase the frequency. NFB is really an way to increase the efficiency of the brain. It speeded up processing, and we saw global benefits in language, reading, vision, auditory processing, coordination, comprehension of situations, creating inference, predicting outcomes, and to the point of your post - both improved greatly in the ability to focus and concentrate. Teachers noted it and wrote letters home to me. Both kids moved smartly thru academic work even tho both are severely language delayed and severely dyslexic. I can't tell you how my kids are similar to your kids, so you can't compare everything I say and apply it to another child. We did NFB in total for a yr and about 100 sessions. We have now been finished w NFB for 4 months and I have seen a little regression in all areas. However, what it always seems to be related to is stress and anxiety. Both my kids have dx of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I think the response pathways for PTSD are so deeply ingrained that even with all the training and therapy we've had, its very hard not to respond in the old ways. When stressed, nobody performs as well. I am next interested in a developmental movement program called NeuroReorganization, which incorporates the actual movements that lead to brain development. We will be doing NFB again also this yr. 3. Explicit Training. I have driven to countless SLP sessions and joined our State Board because of my strong interest in language issues. Speech and Language development are things that we learn, we don't know them innately. Another example is learning the movements that lead to fast ball handling in a sport. You have to be shown, trained and then you have to practice. But you can't train the average youngster to drive a golf ball 200 yds - the exception was Tiger Woods, but the typical youth does not have what it takes to accomplish such a task. So it is I think with a lot of our kids. They are so delayed in the underlying CNS capability that all the training has low effect. Better to spend your time in building the capability of the CNS and then all the trained activities can actually be incorporated, and retained. Glad to hear your child is healthy **** > I have 5 year old son with Autism who is an intermediate learner. He has made significant strides since his diagnosis 3 years back, although there is a lot to achieve. The current challenge that he is facing is the FOCUS & ATTENTION issue. He has immense potential of grasping things but due to lack of focus and attention, he is missing out so many opportunities. > > We have tried the Biomedical approach and tried various supplements including GABA, 5HTP, Taurine, Quercitin, Methyl B12 shots, Super Nu Thera, TMG, etc, but none of them helped his issue. He is on GFCF diet since 2 years and it didn't help him much either. He has NO Yeast, NO mercury, B12 is fine. He is currently on only Multivitamins (Everyday) and Probiotics (ProBio Gold). He is a picky eater and doesn't eat any fruit or direct vegetables (I sneak them in his lentils). > > I was wondering if any of you have any suggestions to address this focus & attention issue through other means (instead of Diet or supplements, as my son doesn't seem to respond to it). Any insight will be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I agree you need all three listed below. Great input. > > I have a theory. The order of intervening in a person who has Central > Nervous System dysfunction is > 1. Medical - you've done that apparently > 2. Neural connectivity - accomplished in a number of ways, but Zengar > Neurofeedback was the single biggest factor in our kids > 3. Explicit training like reading, speech/language, coordination leading to > capability in sports for example > > 1. Medical: You won't get anywhere with a person who has biochemical > abnormalities. Our body is really a giant container of chemicals if you stop > and think about it. There is no function in our body that is not perpetrated > by a chemical reaction. So body chemistry has to be working first before you > can get any farther. Neurons can't fire if they don't have the basic > chemicals to get the job done. Digestive Enzymes can't be made and work > properly if the basic inputs aren't there. Leaky Gut will wreak havoc on a > body and lead to all kinds of inflammatory processes -which I personally > think is the reason for a lot of what looks like ADHD > > 2. Body's being as complicated as they are...my observation is that after > you get healthy it doesn't mean you necessarily have gone thru the > developmental sequence that would lead to a correct state of maturity of the > CNS. So parts of your CNS could be quite immature and underdeveloped. We did > maybe 5-6 kinds of therapies including OT - BrainGym, PACE, NeuroNet, PT, > NAET, acupuncture and more, and altho each of these programs helped, it > seemed disjointed and also didn't stick. The single greatest benefit we > have gotten was through doing Zengar Neurofeedback. I ended up bringing a > system home so I could increase the frequency. NFB is really an way to > increase the efficiency of the brain. It speeded up processing, and we saw > global benefits in language, reading, vision, auditory processing, > coordination, comprehension of situations, creating inference, predicting > outcomes, and to the point of your post - both improved greatly in the > ability to focus and concentrate. Teachers noted it and wrote letters home > to me. Both kids moved smartly thru academic work even tho both are > severely language delayed and severely dyslexic. > I can't tell you how my kids are similar to your kids, so you can't compare > everything I say and apply it to another child. We did NFB in total for a > yr and about 100 sessions. We have now been finished w NFB for 4 months and > I have seen a little regression in all areas. However, what it always seems > to be related to is stress and anxiety. Both my kids have dx of Post > Traumatic Stress Disorder. I think the response pathways for PTSD are so > deeply ingrained that even with all the training and therapy we've had, its > very hard not to respond in the old ways. When stressed, nobody performs as > well. I am next interested in a developmental movement program called > NeuroReorganization, which incorporates the actual movements that lead to > brain development. We will be doing NFB again also this yr. > > 3. Explicit Training. I have driven to countless SLP sessions and joined > our State Board because of my strong interest in language issues. Speech and > Language development are things that we learn, we don't know them innately. > Another example is learning the movements that lead to fast ball handling in > a sport. You have to be shown, trained and then you have to practice. But > you can't train the average youngster to drive a golf ball 200 yds - the > exception was Tiger Woods, but the typical youth does not have what it takes > to accomplish such a task. So it is I think with a lot of our kids. They > are so delayed in the underlying CNS capability that all the training has > low effect. Better to spend your time in building the capability of the CNS > and then all the trained activities can actually be incorporated, and > retained. > > Glad to hear your child is healthy > **** > > > I have 5 year old son with Autism who is an intermediate learner. He has > made significant strides since his diagnosis 3 years back, although there is > a lot to achieve. The current challenge that he is facing is the FOCUS & > ATTENTION issue. He has immense potential of grasping things but due to lack > of focus and attention, he is missing out so many opportunities. > > > > We have tried the Biomedical approach and tried various supplements > including GABA, 5HTP, Taurine, Quercitin, Methyl B12 shots, Super Nu Thera, > TMG, etc, but none of them helped his issue. He is on GFCF diet since 2 > years and it didn't help him much either. He has NO Yeast, NO mercury, B12 > is fine. He is currently on only Multivitamins (Everyday) and Probiotics > (ProBio Gold). He is a picky eater and doesn't eat any fruit or direct > vegetables (I sneak them in his lentils). > > > > I was wondering if any of you have any suggestions to address this focus & > attention issue through other means (instead of Diet or supplements, as my > son doesn't seem to respond to it). Any insight will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you > > Krishna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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