Re: Re: Our little girl may have autism or something else, we just don't know what.

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Speech problems are not always autism but I did not say that they were and did not see that anyone else said that. The speech delay with the accompanying problems that he listed did suggest autism, though. So a visit to a professional is really necessary to figure out what is going on. I agree that I would not rest easy on a school eval for this either. I would definitely get a school eval so they can get into the school programming for early intervention but a good eval from a dev. doc or neurologist would be important in this case because it's not "just" a speech delay. One of the lawyers we used before once told me, "It's never just a speech delay." And really, that is just a major warning indicator because it is so obvious. Many times, we parents do not notice other problems until the speech fails to come along. I know with our first ds, I was slow to identify the problems as serious problems. But when the speech did not come in, then I had to say, "This is a problem" instead of making excuses. But at any rate, the situation as described in the post definitely requires some serious evaluation that we cannot do over the internet.

Roxanna

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Re: Our little girl may have autism or something else, we just don't know what.

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> My impression is a speech delay.

I agree. What is striking me is that the girls' are attempting to speak but can't. At 22 months, their attempting to talk but only able to get "m" out is not typical. Although one seems more severe than the other, they are both not typical in this way.

This is not necessarily autism. Speech problems are not always autism. So, I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.

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This is great but it is still well behind the age she should have been able to do these things. Get an appt with a dev. doc or neurologist and get a good eval done!

Roxanna

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Re: Our little girl may have autism or something else, we just don't know what.

Two other things from today.

I'm trying to teach her eyes, nose, ears, and so forth. And I did get her to point at my nose twice and my ear once.

Also, I did see her flipping though a book and pointing to different things while making sounds (as if she was imitating me reading to her). This went on for 10 seconds or so.

In addition, I forgot to say that she loves to put rocks in her mouth. Everything she comes into contact with must first go to her mouth. When we go outside, she heads straight for the pebbles.

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> We have a 3.4 year old boy and twin 22 month old girls. We suspect one of our girls (cara) may be autistic and wanted to get some feedback from others.

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> As a stay at home dad, I have no doubt my communication skills, or lack thereof, has contributed in some way to our children being behind. That and them being a few weeks early and watching too much tv with their brother.

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> Our son is/was a bit behind, but is coming along since starting preschool. The girls have no real vocabulary (not even mama or dada). They do sign for more and make a m type sound when doing so. Sara, the other twin, does make other sounds for words like hat and so forth, and seems to be a bit father along then her sister cara. We have had them in weekly 1 hour therapy, but they (the people at the therapy place) seem to think it's more of a sensory issue.

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> Our daily routine is very loose. They wake up when they wake up, play, eat at some point, play, snack, nap around 2 or 3 or whenever, snack, play, eat, play, bedtime is sometime after 8:30.

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> Here's a list about cara -

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> Eye contact -- She does make eye contact, but it's limited. When we have close up face to face time, she does look at me, but seems more interested in my mouth then my eyes. Sometimes it seems hard for her to make eye contact, but she does do it.

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> Stacking -- She does NOT stack or line things up abnormally. Not an issue.

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> Language -- As stated above, she has none. Therapy is geared towards her lack of language being a sensory issue. She does babble a bit. More in the last few weeks.

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> Hearing and responding to her name -- If I scold her not to go up the stairs, she will listen. But she has very selective hearing. She sometimes will respond to her name, but normally she doesn't unless she wants to or I'm getting after her for something. Will not look up if we call her, but will jump up in a heartbeat if she think she hears the theme song to one of her TV shows.

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> Bouncing and spinning -- She LOVES to bounce on the couch and recliner. This is her thing. Will bounce and bounce with a big smile on her face. Will spin in front of the Tv from time to time. Not everyday and not for long stretches of time. This may be her just dancing.

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> Interactive games and smiling -- She does not do peek-a-boo herself, but loves it when when we do it or play cows in the meadow, or itsy bitsy spider. She will smile back at you.

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> Sensory and oral -- She will chew up ANYTHING. Most of our kid books have no spine because the chews them up, wooden ledge in the rec room is chewed up, and so on. We give them toothbrushes and they love them. Cara likes to turn hers over and chew off the plastic on the bottom.

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> Wanting things -- The biggest thing would be the sippy cup. Her sister will bring me the cup if it's empty, but cara won't. We just learn to know what they want.

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> Touching and cuddling - She doesn't have a problem that I can see. She is a wiggle worm though. May sit with you for a short while cuddling while watching tv. She sometimes will give you a kiss if you force her to by holding her head so she can't turn it. Her kiss is just a open mouth stick out the tongue kind of a thing.

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> tantrums -- She doesn't really have one unless she's super tired. There are two things she has seen on TV that she freaks out over (part of a weekly show and one kids show she's scared of), but other then that she doesn't have tantrums.

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> Sleeping and eating -- Diet is somewhat limited. Fruit, cheese, crackers, fries, chicken nuggets, toast, more carbs, more fruit, mac and cheese, and at least 16 oz of milk a day. Sleeping is not a problem.

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> Hand and arm flapping - will do so only if she's super excited at something on tv or if she's super tired and can't reach her milk or if we are not picking her up fast enough.

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> Books -- she loves flipping through books (when she's not eating them)

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> Spinning and light -- have not seen an issue in these areas.

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> Bathtime -- loves bathtime. Loves the shower. loves to lay down on her tummy during bathtime.

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> Playing alone -- Seems to play alone a bit more then her siblings. Her brother and sister seem to play together a bit more.

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> Pointing -- Doesn't point.

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> Imaginative play -- Her sister loves to play dress up. Cara does like to put on hats, but not as much as her sister. Other then that, she doesn't really play like tea time or mommy baby stuff.

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> Other people who visit -- warms up fast to visitors. In the past, her and her sister would freak out to new people 50% of the time. Even with people who came over a few times a month. But now, both seem to warm up to people much faster.

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> Waving bye-bye -- will sort of wave bye bye. limited.

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> What does this sound like to you after reading the list?

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She is adorable, all of your kids are cuties. Still need to go get some evaluations done. The best thing you can do is get the girls into an early intervention program. They will enjoy it and learn at the same time. The language is really important as it's missing. It is nice that she has learned to sign "more" so you could really teach her more than that. Call a good dev. doc and your local early intervention people and get the ball rolling!

Roxanna

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

( ) Re: Our little girl may have autism or something else, we just don't know what.

I uploaded a video of her to youtube. She does some nice pointing close to the end. The first part is back in april, but most of it is from this week.

Could you look at it and reply back with some of your thoughts?

The link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh5h0dis7uc

I will keep it posted for a few more days.

And here are a few more things I've noticed in the last few days

1. We played peekaboo and she attempted to say the word

2. My wife and I made razzberry sounds at the dinner table and she imitated us.

3. She does have little liquid puke-ups every few days. Not even 1oz and very random.

4. Took a sock and tried to put it on

5. took a hat off her head and gave it to me to put back on her head.

6. Came to me with arms raised to be lifted up

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> We have a 3.4 year old boy and twin 22 month old girls. We suspect one of our girls (cara) may be autistic and wanted to get some feedback from others.

>

> As a stay at home dad, I have no doubt my communication skills, or lack thereof, has contributed in some way to our children being behind. That and them being a few weeks early and watching too much tv with their brother.

>

> Our son is/was a bit behind, but is coming along since starting preschool. The girls have no real vocabulary (not even mama or dada). They do sign for more and make a m type sound when doing so. Sara, the other twin, does make other sounds for words like hat and so forth, and seems to be a bit father along then her sister cara. We have had them in weekly 1 hour therapy, but they (the people at the therapy place) seem to think it's more of a sensory issue.

>

> Our daily routine is very loose. They wake up when they wake up, play, eat at some point, play, snack, nap around 2 or 3 or whenever, snack, play, eat, play, bedtime is sometime after 8:30.

>

>

> Here's a list about cara -

>

> Eye contact -- She does make eye contact, but it's limited. When we have close up face to face time, she does look at me, but seems more interested in my mouth then my eyes. Sometimes it seems hard for her to make eye contact, but she does do it.

>

> Stacking -- She does NOT stack or line things up abnormally. Not an issue.

>

> Language -- As stated above, she has none. Therapy is geared towards her lack of language being a sensory issue. She does babble a bit. More in the last few weeks.

>

> Hearing and responding to her name -- If I scold her not to go up the stairs, she will listen. But she has very selective hearing. She sometimes will respond to her name, but normally she doesn't unless she wants to or I'm getting after her for something. Will not look up if we call her, but will jump up in a heartbeat if she think she hears the theme song to one of her TV shows.

>

> Bouncing and spinning -- She LOVES to bounce on the couch and recliner. This is her thing. Will bounce and bounce with a big smile on her face. Will spin in front of the Tv from time to time. Not everyday and not for long stretches of time. This may be her just dancing.

>

> Interactive games and smiling -- She does not do peek-a-boo herself, but loves it when when we do it or play cows in the meadow, or itsy bitsy spider. She will smile back at you.

>

> Sensory and oral -- She will chew up ANYTHING. Most of our kid books have no spine because the chews them up, wooden ledge in the rec room is chewed up, and so on. We give them toothbrushes and they love them. Cara likes to turn hers over and chew off the plastic on the bottom.

>

> Wanting things -- The biggest thing would be the sippy cup. Her sister will bring me the cup if it's empty, but cara won't. We just learn to know what they want.

>

> Touching and cuddling - She doesn't have a problem that I can see. She is a wiggle worm though. May sit with you for a short while cuddling while watching tv. She sometimes will give you a kiss if you force her to by holding her head so she can't turn it. Her kiss is just a open mouth stick out the tongue kind of a thing.

>

> tantrums -- She doesn't really have one unless she's super tired. There are two things she has seen on TV that she freaks out over (part of a weekly show and one kids show she's scared of), but other then that she doesn't have tantrums.

>

> Sleeping and eating -- Diet is somewhat limited. Fruit, cheese, crackers, fries, chicken nuggets, toast, more carbs, more fruit, mac and cheese, and at least 16 oz of milk a day. Sleeping is not a problem.

>

> Hand and arm flapping - will do so only if she's super excited at something on tv or if she's super tired and can't reach her milk or if we are not picking her up fast enough.

>

> Books -- she loves flipping through books (when she's not eating them)

>

> Spinning and light -- have not seen an issue in these areas.

>

> Bathtime -- loves bathtime. Loves the shower. loves to lay down on her tummy during bathtime.

>

> Playing alone -- Seems to play alone a bit more then her siblings. Her brother and sister seem to play together a bit more.

>

> Pointing -- Doesn't point.

>

> Imaginative play -- Her sister loves to play dress up. Cara does like to put on hats, but not as much as her sister. Other then that, she doesn't really play like tea time or mommy baby stuff.

>

> Other people who visit -- warms up fast to visitors. In the past, her and her sister would freak out to new people 50% of the time. Even with people who came over a few times a month. But now, both seem to warm up to people much faster.

>

> Waving bye-bye -- will sort of wave bye bye. limited.

>

>

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> What does this sound like to you after reading the list?

>

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On Mar 28, 10:45am, " bobbyjohnson_7474 " wrote:

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} And here are a few more things I've noticed in the last few days

This list eminds me so much of myself back when I first suspected

something was " wrong " with my son and kept trying to find every

little act that would mean it wasn't autism. :-( I'm not saying

I think your child is necessarily autistic... but the thing is

that occasional acts are less meaningful than an overal patttern.

I would hope every little attempt at a wave meant he was okay, but

the fact that he almost never would wave was the significant one.

I think you can make yourself crazy trying to evaluate and diagnose

your own child. If something inside you, or your partner, keeps

saying " something is just not right here, " you need to get it checked

out. You may not get the right help the first time, but it's the

place to start.

Willa

[Guest guest]

great post, Willa! I totally agree with you.

Roxanna

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke

Re: ( ) Re: Our little girl may have autism or something else, we just don't know what.

On Mar 28, 10:45am, "bobbyjohnson_7474" wrote:

}

} And here are a few more things I've noticed in the last few days

This list eminds me so much of myself back when I first suspected

something was "wrong" with my son and kept trying to find every

little act that would mean it wasn't autism. :-( I'm not saying

I think your child is necessarily autistic... but the thing is

that occasional acts are less meaningful than an overal patttern.

I would hope every little attempt at a wave meant he was okay, but

the fact that he almost never would wave was the significant one.

I think you can make yourself crazy trying to evaluate and diagnose

your own child. If something inside you, or your partner, keeps

saying "something is just not right here," you need to get it checked

out. You may not get the right help the first time, but it's the

place to start.

Willa