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My son is definitely like this (12, Aspergers) and one thing I've worked hard with him on doing is identifying that he's acting this way because he's nervous/anxious. He can finally identify it himself which I think helps. Before he could, I think he'd just feel out-of-control and not really understand why he was acting that way. By being able to say "I'm nervous" or "I'm anxious" he can then start working on why he might be feeling that way and what he can do to help calm himself. Self-calming is something we still struggle with though, even at this age. I've tried to explain how to do deep-breathing b/c it seems like that's the most inconspicuous thing he can do for himself in those situations, but it hasn't caught on. Typically, we work through whatever is making him nervous/anxious by talking it out instead. I've explained it's completely normal to feel

nervous/anxious when he's about to play in a soccer game or something, it's just not appropriate to be jumping around and rolling on the floor and acting really goofy to deal with it. At home, it's one thing, but I know generalizing how to react in one environment vs. another can be tough so I try to encourage him to deal with it at home like he would in public. Seems like repeating a behavior two times cements a trend with him at times so I try to channel negative behaviors into something positive rather quickly or it'll take even longer to get rid of the negative in the future.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when he's in school though. I suspect he's able to pull himself together a little better than he does at home (don't see him rolling on the floor at school!) but I bet it's not quite enough for him to blend in with the rest of the kids. He's maturing quickly though. Just normal maturation alone seems to be helping him too.

So in summary, I'd work with your daughter to verbally identify when she's feeling anxious. Let her know it's perfectly normal to feel anxious/nervous at times, even when something good is about to happen. Then try to help her identify ways of calming herself in those situations. And if you find any self-calming strategies that work well, please post them on here!

Take care,

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From: andie <andie6294@...> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:45:02 PMSubject: ( ) How anxiety manifests....

Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding. I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is annoyed by it. Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be something ongoing.

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My definitely acts goofy. I think it could be an anxiety thing. I think

being silly has, in the past, helped him avoid work at school by getting the

other kids so distracted that they can't function. I remember once when

was 2 and we had a friend staying with us with HER 2 year old (for 10 days,

biggest mistake of my life). Our guest thought EVERYTHING her kid did was

" cute " and every bad thing my kid did was a " boy " thing and every good thing he

did was ignored. Anyway, was in his high chair trying to eat when our

guest's kid started taking stuff off of 's plate. was laughing and

giggling, but I could see his leg swinging in a clearly aggressive, " I am going

to kick someone soon " motion. I asked our guest to take her daughter in another

room and she was SOOO mad at me. " He doesn't look upset, he was laughing! " Of

course I tried to tell her that his body language wasn't always accurate but she

didn't get it and really, I didn't quite get it yet either. We didn't have a

diagnosis. It was something I thought of as autistic, just an thing. This

person has not come to visit us since then and that's just fine with us. LOL.

Miriam

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> Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure

anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like

an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding.

I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her

behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.

>

> Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she

draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very

loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is

annoyed by it.

>

> Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it

soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be

something ongoing.

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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!

My 11 year old daughter is totally like this. I fought her anxiety for years. Swore that it was just her being,,,,,I don't know, hyper or silly or obnoxious. I figured, like you, that if you're anxious and nervous, that you DON'T want to stand out.

Ugh.

Can't wait to hear some other replies.

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From: andie <andie6294@...>Subject: ( ) How anxiety manifests.... Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 5:45 PM

Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding. I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is annoyed by it. Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be something ongoing.

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From: MacAllister <smacalli@...>Subject: Re: ( ) How anxiety manifests.... Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:17 AM

My son is definitely like this (12, Aspergers) and one thing I've worked hard with him on doing is identifying that he's acting this way because he's nervous/anxious. He can finally identify it himself which I think helps. Before he could, I think he'd just feel out-of-control and not really understand why he was acting that way. By being able to say "I'm nervous" or "I'm anxious" he can then start working on why he might be feeling that way and what he can do to help calm himself. Self-calming is something we still struggle with though, even at this age. I've tried to explain how to do deep-breathing b/c it seems like that's the most inconspicuous thing he can do for himself in those situations, but it hasn't caught on. Typically, we work through whatever is making him nervous/anxious by talking it out instead. I've explained it's completely normal to feel

nervous/anxious when he's about to play in a soccer game or something, it's just not appropriate to be jumping around and rolling on the floor and acting really goofy to deal with it. At home, it's one thing, but I know generalizing how to react in one environment vs. another can be tough so I try to encourage him to deal with it at home like he would in public. Seems like repeating a behavior two times cements a trend with him at times so I try to channel negative behaviors into something positive rather quickly or it'll take even longer to get rid of the negative in the future.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when he's in school though. I suspect he's able to pull himself together a little better than he does at home (don't see him rolling on the floor at school!) but I bet it's not quite enough for him to blend in with the rest of the kids. He's maturing quickly though. Just normal maturation alone seems to be helping him too.

So in summary, I'd work with your daughter to verbally identify when she's feeling anxious. Let her know it's perfectly normal to feel anxious/nervous at times, even when something good is about to happen. Then try to help her identify ways of calming herself in those situations. And if you find any self-calming strategies that work well, please post them on here!

Take care,

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: andie <andie6294 (DOT) com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:45:02 PMSubject: ( ) How anxiety manifests... .

Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding. I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is annoyed by it. Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be something ongoing.

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My son acts out too....but he does it more when he is with friends and he thinks and acts like a clown...I think he is trying too hard to have friends and by acting out they will like him and think he is frunny when he actually gets annoying.

When he gets nervous...he seems to shun away...not do things and when pushed he gets more angry. But he has learned to tell when he is anxious and he does have medicine to help him...he uses it less and less. When he first started going over the neighbors house where there were other kids ....he would ask for his medicine...now he is able to go over without it. He is growing and maturing and that is helping too.

My son gets angry a lot...especially when things don't go his way. Last night we were abel to leave him home with a friend. We asked him if he wanted anything to eat before we left. He said no. I told him there was frozen lasange in the freezer ...he knows how to make it. Well, when we got home....and were home for a while ...he said oh, I damaged the cabinet door. He said he caught it when he ran for the phone. My husband and I looked at it. At first we bought his story...but the more I looked at it ...the more it look like it was hit from the outside . As I looked at it ...I thought...there is no way he could have caught himself on it. So later that night, I said...now tell me the truth...you didn't knock into it...you hit it right...it looks like you punched it. And, he admited to me that he did. When I asked him why he said he forgot. I told him there was anyway he could have forgotten.

(Or was there?) So, I guessed...I said...I bet you looked for something to eat and could not find anything right? And, so you punch the cabinet. He said yes...but he didn't mean to hit the cabinet...and he said he was sorry. He then asked if I was mad. I said yes I am upset...because we asked you if you wanted anything to eat and you said no and I even told you we had frozen lasange..and he says...YOU Did? I guess he was too busy playing his game and did not realize what we siad to him.

I told him I was proud of him telling me the Truth. I said now when you tell me thing I will be more apt to beleive you. But, we must work on this anger. I told him he has damaged a lot of things and it can't continue. I am going to make him pay for the wood clamps and wood glue my husband bought and I am going to have him help his father repair it. I am also going to have him help his father repair the hole he made in the wall. Maybe this will help make him think before he acts out.

Jan

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From: MacAllister <smacalli (DOT) com>Subject: Re: ( ) How anxiety manifests... . Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:17 AM

My son is definitely like this (12, Aspergers) and one thing I've worked hard with him on doing is identifying that he's acting this way because he's nervous/anxious. He can finally identify it himself which I think helps. Before he could, I think he'd just feel out-of-control and not really understand why he was acting that way. By being able to say "I'm nervous" or "I'm anxious" he can then start working on why he might be feeling that way and what he can do to help calm himself. Self-calming is something we still struggle with though, even at this age. I've tried to explain how to do deep-breathing b/c it seems like that's the most inconspicuous thing he can do for himself in those situations, but it hasn't caught on. Typically, we work through whatever is making him nervous/anxious by talking it out instead. I've explained it's completely normal to feel

nervous/anxious when he's about to play in a soccer game or something, it's just not appropriate to be jumping around and rolling on the floor and acting really goofy to deal with it. At home, it's one thing, but I know generalizing how to react in one environment vs. another can be tough so I try to encourage him to deal with it at home like he would in public. Seems like repeating a behavior two times cements a trend with him at times so I try to channel negative behaviors into something positive rather quickly or it'll take even longer to get rid of the negative in the future.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when he's in school though. I suspect he's able to pull himself together a little better than he does at home (don't see him rolling on the floor at school!) but I bet it's not quite enough for him to blend in with the rest of the kids. He's maturing quickly though. Just normal maturation alone seems to be helping him too.

So in summary, I'd work with your daughter to verbally identify when she's feeling anxious. Let her know it's perfectly normal to feel anxious/nervous at times, even when something good is about to happen. Then try to help her identify ways of calming herself in those situations. And if you find any self-calming strategies that work well, please post them on here!

Take care,

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From: andie <andie6294 (DOT) com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:45:02 PMSubject: ( ) How anxiety manifests... .

Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding. I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is annoyed by it. Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be something ongoing.

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I think my son, 11, is the same way although I never thought of if until I read your email. This Saturday, we took him to therapeutic horse riding lesson (it was a freebie). He was very excited to go. When we got there, they have a little time before the horses were ready and the lady sat them to play a game. He behaved himself like a spoiled brat and a clown. Talking loud, goofing off and doing the opposite of what he was told to do. I was so embarrased and angry at him. Then, he chimed "I just feel a little scared".

I will do my best to see if this is what is going on and work towards a better response from.

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From: andie <andie6294@...> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:45:02 PMSubject: ( ) How anxiety manifests....

Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding. I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is annoyed by it. Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be something ongoing.

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That's when I'd respond with a "Good job figuring out how you were feeling! Do you think that's why you were acting so silly, because you were scared? That's very normal to feel a little scared when you're about to ride a horse." and then explain all of the safety measures in place (experienced staff, horse that's been ridden by lots of kids just like him, safety helmet, someone will be next to the horse at all times, etc...) I'd also follow it up with "next time you're feeling scared, what do you think you can do?" and try to coax out some appropriate responses (talking about why he's scared, taking deep breaths, thinking about something else, etc...)

"Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out."

From: Idelice A. Haack <haackia@...> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:38:24 AMSubject: Re: ( ) How anxiety manifests....

I think my son, 11, is the same way although I never thought of if until I read your email. This Saturday, we took him to therapeutic horse riding lesson (it was a freebie). He was very excited to go. When we got there, they have a little time before the horses were ready and the lady sat them to play a game. He behaved himself like a spoiled brat and a clown. Talking loud, goofing off and doing the opposite of what he was told to do. I was so embarrased and angry at him. Then, he chimed "I just feel a little scared".

I will do my best to see if this is what is going on and work towards a better response from.

Ide

From: andie <andie6294 (DOT) com> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 5:45:02 PMSubject: ( ) How anxiety manifests... .

Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding. I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is annoyed by it. Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be something ongoing.

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Great ideas . I know we have had to do this more with our ds because he has been really depressed a lot. He will get so down and then say absolutes - "Everyone hates me" and so forth. It is important to ID what is really going on, "You had an argument with your brother" and also when things are good too - "Look, you completed that puzzle! great job!" so later on, I can remind him of good things he can do when he gets to obsessing.

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( ) How anxiety manifests... .

Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding. I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.

Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is annoyed by it.

Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be something ongoing.

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This is exactely how my 11yo dd acts too. She draws too much attention to herself by acting goofy then when it doesn't go over the way she intended she starts screaming and having a fit.

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From: andie <andie6294 (DOT) com>Subject: ( ) How anxiety manifests... . Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 5:45 PM

Does anyone else's child act goofy when he/she is anxious. I'm pretty sure anxiety is a big issue with my 6-y-o AS daughter, but since she doesn't act like an anxious child typically would, people aren't very tolerant or understanding. I must admit that it is quite hard for even me sometimes to get that her behavior is possibly due to her feeling nervous or anxious.Instead of wanting to become inconspicuous and turn into a wall flower, she draws negative attention to herself by getting in people's faces and being very loud - she seems to think she's being funny, but everyone else in the world is annoyed by it. Not quite sure how to help her through this. I'm hoping she'll grow out of it soon. The reaction, that is, not the anxiety as I realize this will likely be something ongoing.

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Interesting. Has anyone tried Xanax or some other anti-anxiety med with any

success? Any clues as to whether such a small child could take something (6

y.o. and about 40 lbs)? And what might the dose be? Guess I could just make

another appt with the psychiatrist, but I feel he will just kind of do whatever

I ask him to do. I don't feel he's making any recommendations to do any extra

testing to pinpoint her exact problems - but he sure is quick to write a

prescription!

Thanks to all of you for replying.

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My son is on Zoloft for anxiety. Has been for several years now. Started when

he was about 6 years old. I think that his first dose was 25 mgs or something

like that now he is 11 and on 150 mgs.

Vickie

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> Interesting. Has anyone tried Xanax or some other anti-anxiety med with any

success? Any clues as to whether such a small child could take something (6

y.o. and about 40 lbs)? And what might the dose be? Guess I could just make

another appt with the psychiatrist, but I feel he will just kind of do whatever

I ask him to do. I don't feel he's making any recommendations to do any extra

testing to pinpoint her exact problems - but he sure is quick to write a

prescription!

>

> Thanks to all of you for replying.

> Andie

> p.s. Andi: Is your 'real' name ?

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Zoloft is usually for OCD but can be given for other things. My son was on Xanax when he was very anxious (Poppy dying). He is on the generic of Prozac (small dose) and his adhd medicine...Adderall. We give him Geodon for his anger at night and it really helps him sleep too.

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From: Vickie Boehnlein <baneline1@...>Subject: ( ) Re: How anxiety manifests.... Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:07 AM

My son is on Zoloft for anxiety. Has been for several years now. Started when he was about 6 years old. I think that his first dose was 25 mgs or something like that now he is 11 and on 150 mgs. Vickie>> Interesting. Has anyone tried Xanax or some other anti-anxiety med with any success? Any clues as to whether such a small child could take something (6 y.o. and about 40 lbs)? And what might the dose be? Guess I could just make another appt with the psychiatrist, but I feel he will just kind of do whatever I ask him to do. I don't feel he's making any recommendations to do any extra testing to pinpoint her exact problems - but he sure is quick to write a

prescription!> > Thanks to all of you for replying.> Andie> p.s. Andi: Is your 'real' name ?>

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My son who is 13 1/2 went on Xanax about 2 years ago....it was giving to him when his Poppy was dying and he had lived with us since my son was born....anyways...it did help. My son was so anxious he would not even leave the yard and/or house. Let me say it help tremendously...he actually was able to go to school,etc. He now only takes it if he feels very anxious....like if he is going to go over to a friend's house....but now he is getting better and more mature and has not had to ask for it. My son is also on ADHD medicine, Adderall, a small dosage of the generic of Prozac and at night we give him Geodon for his anger and this medicine helps him fall asleep and sleep good.

I think you child may be to small (weight) and too young for Xanax but I am not a doctor. But you should check it out...you could also ask you Primary Care Physician (PCP). That is who prescribe Xanax for my son.

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From: andie <andie6294@...>Subject: ( ) Re: How anxiety manifests.... Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 4:05 AM

Interesting. Has anyone tried Xanax or some other anti-anxiety med with any success? Any clues as to whether such a small child could take something (6 y.o. and about 40 lbs)? And what might the dose be? Guess I could just make another appt with the psychiatrist, but I feel he will just kind of do whatever I ask him to do. I don't feel he's making any recommendations to do any extra testing to pinpoint her exact problems - but he sure is quick to write a prescription!Thanks to all of you for replying.Andiep.s. Andi: Is your 'real' name ?

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Thanks, Vickie. Does the Zoloft make a big difference for him? Does he take it

as needed or is it every day?

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> > Interesting. Has anyone tried Xanax or some other anti-anxiety med with any

success? Any clues as to whether such a small child could take something (6

y.o. and about 40 lbs)? And what might the dose be? Guess I could just make

another appt with the psychiatrist, but I feel he will just kind of do whatever

I ask him to do. I don't feel he's making any recommendations to do any extra

testing to pinpoint her exact problems - but he sure is quick to write a

prescription!

> >

> > Thanks to all of you for replying.

> > Andie

> > p.s. Andi: Is your 'real' name ?

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That is correct. Ultimately OCD is an anxiety disorder.

Vickie

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> > Interesting. Has anyone tried Xanax or some other anti-anxiety med with any

success? Any clues as to whether such a small child could take something (6 y.o.

and about 40 lbs)? And what might the dose be? Guess I could just make another

appt with the psychiatrist, but I feel he will just kind of do whatever I ask

him to do. I don't feel he's making any recommendations to do any extra testing

to pinpoint her exact problems - but he sure is quick to write a prescription!

> >

> > Thanks to all of you for replying.

> > Andie

> > p.s. Andi: Is your 'real' name ?

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Zoloft is an medicine that is usually taken every day. It is built up in the

system starting with a very low dose and increasing the dose over a couple of

months. The only major issue with using this type of medicine is that it takes

a little while to know if it is effective and if you decide to try something

else you must also wean him off of it. This is the case with most of the mood

stabilizer/anti-anxiety meds out there. All I can say is that it has been quite

effective for my son. He has anxiety that causes angry outburst, obsessive

behaviors and difficutly with change. He is much more able to handle

transistions and is able to let go of an obsession easier on the meds which also

reduces the angry outbursts.

Vickie

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> > > Interesting. Has anyone tried Xanax or some other anti-anxiety med with

any success? Any clues as to whether such a small child could take something (6

y.o. and about 40 lbs)? And what might the dose be? Guess I could just make

another appt with the psychiatrist, but I feel he will just kind of do whatever

I ask him to do. I don't feel he's making any recommendations to do any extra

testing to pinpoint her exact problems - but he sure is quick to write a

prescription!

> > >

> > > Thanks to all of you for replying.

> > > Andie

> > > p.s. Andi: Is your 'real' name ?

> > >

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We started zoloft at age 6 with my older ds as well. It worked really well for anxiety.

Roxanna

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( ) Re: How anxiety manifests....

My son is on Zoloft for anxiety. Has been for several years now. Started when he was about 6 years old. I think that his first dose was 25 mgs or something like that now he is 11 and on 150 mgs.

Vickie

>

> Interesting. Has anyone tried Xanax or some other anti-anxiety med with any success? Any clues as to whether such a small child could take something (6 y.o. and about 40 lbs)? And what might the dose be? Guess I could just make another appt with the psychiatrist, but I feel he will just kind of do whatever I ask him to do. I don't feel he's making any recommendations to do any extra testing to pinpoint her exact problems - but he sure is quick to write a prescription!

>

> Thanks to all of you for replying.

> Andie

> p.s. Andi: Is your 'real' name ?

>

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