Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 In a message dated 2/21/2003 8:59:06 PM Central Standard Time, jbocci55@... writes: > We need to let others > know that it isn't always like this and to start your child's educational > experience DEMANDING this and that be done when WE say so isn't promoting > teamwork and makes us the enemy from the start. Well, for the sake of " tit for tat " , Sara's first IEP meeting they LIED to us, I knew it and we called off the meeting...... I requested another meeting in 10 days and to please bring in personal who knows the laws and policies. Sara was 3 years old and I left that meeting with a very bitter taste in my mouth, This has not happened again. I agree with you in some ways BUT many of us are speaking from experience, we are very diverse from all over the country and we all are having the same problems. I look at it this way, many many years ago parents had no to maybe a few choices on how their child would be educated, now the law states we are in control of our children. We have a powerful and well written law out there that administrators are blatantly breaking. NO state is in compliance WHY??????? and Jackie let me ask you as a new teacher if you were told to NOT recommend something for a child at an IEP would you follow your heart or the administrator? Don't say this doesn't happen, my teacher/sister said the same thing to me too and wham she's now stuck in a rock and a hard place ...... possibility of having to leave her school. My golden rule is prepare for the worst and celebrate when its the best. Im going to a fundraiser dance next month if I ever get over this flu lol and all of Sara's teachers past and present will be there .......... not one will snub me and I will enjoy catching up with them In my personality if I have to be difficult I will do it kindly and feed you heehee Kathy mom to Sara 11 ....... we cant sugar coat the way we have been treated by our teams..... for the newbies, my advice to them is to learn the law, go to workshops and involve your self with others like your self ...... Also help a newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 I agree Jackie. Although I know my son best, I am not an educator, and many times they have listed goals I never would have thought of. It is their job to come up with the ideas, and my job to adapt them to my son. I must also admit that they have listed goals that I thought were beyond Noah...and he met them! How bad a mom am I !?! I guess I was afraid of having too high expectations and seeing progress reports that were nothing but sad news. I've since learned to expect the moon, and he rarely disappoints me! :-) This entire discussion is dependent on the district you live in. Clearly, many are in the business of denying all they can. I happen to live in a place where they don't even have " self-contained " situations, and have never been denied anything I've asked for...they have even told ME of services and technology that he is entitled to. It breaks my heart that so many have to fight for what is mandated by law. Karla in Texas jbocci55@... wrote: > > I would have no problem with teacher bringing in a laptop with some goals and > objectives written up as long as I knew they could be tweeked the way the > team agrees to. It saves so much time and truly makes more sense than 5 hour > meetings. JMHO. > > Jackie, Mom to 15ds, 12, and Bradley 9 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 I NEVER suggested sugar coating anything! I also believe I did point out that I know it is not the same everywhere. I do believe educating yourself before your first IEP meeting is a must but is does not have to be looked at as the worst experience you will ever have and one where if you see a laptop in the teacher's hand you have to instantly become cynical and walk out of a meeting. What I think I was promoting in my last post was cooperation and not WWIII. Jackie, Mom to 15ds, 12, and Bradley 9 Hi Jackie You did not suggest sugar coating I said " WE cant sugar coat the way we've been treated " but you did suggest that we stop making generalizations ..... And we arent we are sharing our experiences, in our areas etc........... If there are so many great areas then why is every state out of compliance?????? Id rather warn parents to get their ducks in a row now then have them fall apart in a crisis time. Our experiences are warnings, Im glad, happy etc... that your experiences were positive ones Kathy mom to Sara 11 ..... I did not direct the sugar coating to you heehee PAST POSTS Below is what you said that made me say " let's not sugar coat " , for the newbies >>why we all have to be careful of our general statements, especially when there are alot of new parents on the list. I know we need to prepare these parent for the future and the whole IEP process but I find so much that is posted on this list promotes adversarial approaches. We need to let others know that it isn't always like this and to start your child's educational experience DEMANDING this and that be done when WE say so isn't promoting teamwork and makes us the enemy from the start. I know there are some who are struggling in bad situations but please, please, please, let's not make every teacher, be it regular ed or special ed, the enemy. There are many good ones out there who can be trusted.....even with a laptop at hand! LOL. I said >>> Kathy mom to Sara 11 ....... we cant sugar coat the way we have been treated by our teams..... for the newbies, my advice to them is to learn the law, go to workshops and involve your self with others like your self ...... Also help a newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:04:22 AM Central Standard Time, web4mom@... writes: > Can we all agree on this much? > Bev HI Bev We sure can it does seem though whenever we start a vent thread on the way IEP meetings are conducted tempers fly, some get very sensitive as if they were the ones being attacked. I am very thankful that we have always had great teachers for Sara even the ones who really didn't believe she should be in their class came around and educated Sara to their best ability ....... I totally respect their opinions and we always agree that we CAN disagree heehee Its not the teachers who have lied to me and tried to cut Sara's program .... It's the system and the ones who run it. Kathy mom to Sara 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 In a message dated 2/22/2003 1:24:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, b4alltoday@... writes: << Well, for the sake of " tit for tat " , Sara's first IEP meeting they LIED to us, I knew it and we called off the meeting...... I requested another meeting in 10 days and to please bring in personal who knows the laws and policies. >> At Liam's first IEP I was told, " No. Why, because I said so. " I went around her and got what I wanted anyway. The next went smoothly because I didn't ask for anything new. This next one (Kindergarten placement) will probably be difficult, so I'll be very prepared. I've already had a team meeting with his school teachers and therapists and have their agreement on what he needs, but once the school district becomes involved I know things will be tough. It's at that point $$ will be spent. All the district has left to do is to observe him in class and then we'll be ready to meet. Should be very interesting. Kathy, Liam's mom(almost 5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2003 Report Share Posted February 22, 2003 OK...enough! This discussion is becoming a bit too heated and emotional and is bordering on becoming personal. Congratulations to all those who have had good IEP experiences and have found it possible to collaborate with school personnel without great inconvience to themselves. Sympathies to all those who have found IEP development a difficult adversarial process and who have encountered the minority of teachers who do not care much about their students or the administrators who use their budgets more to benefit their image than to educate needy students. Can we all agree on this much? Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 In a message dated 2/21/03 7:21:09 PM Central Standard Time, writes: > I would suggest that BEFORE your next IEP meeting, you get a BLANK IEP form > and study it, understand what each section is for and what affect it has. > Remember, the IEP is a legal binding document that MUST be followed. It is > > your tool to make sure your child is working on what you want them working > in, it's the teachers guide as to what the child is working on and what > THEY > Are supposed to be teaching them. > And do not forget, write the IEP as if everyone at that table will not be > there next time you have an IEP. Do not assume that anyone will understand > > goals or wants or needs. Make sure it is written in black and white. > > , I have at times asked the teachers to give me an updated progress report on where as at on his goals (or I check the last one). We also have an in-home program so I know how he is doing at home in many areas. I then look at this along with the current IEP and put down my thoughts and ideas. If I know certain things were issues in the recent past I put down ideas to address this. If present level or other issues have changed I note it. Karyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 I, for one, think no one on this list under estimates themselves as parents and advocates for our children. I certainly don't. Jackie, Mom to 15ds, 12, and Bradley 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Sorry but it is their job to adapt them to your son as well as come up with SOME of the ideas. You know your son better than anyone. You also know what he needs to know to succeed in school and grow up to (hopefully) live a healthy, independent life. So many of you underestimate yourselves. Elaine Re: IEPs I agree Jackie. Although I know my son best, I am not an educator, and many times they have listed goals I never would have thought of. It is their job to come up with the ideas, and my job to adapt them to my son. I must also admit that they have listed goals that I thought were beyond Noah...and he met them! How bad a mom am I !?! I guess I was afraid of having too high expectations and seeing progress reports that were nothing but sad news. I've since learned to expect the moon, and he rarely disappoints me! :-) This entire discussion is dependent on the district you live in. Clearly, many are in the business of denying all they can. I happen to live in a place where they don't even have " self-contained " situations, and have never been denied anything I've asked for...they have even told ME of services and technology that he is entitled to. It breaks my heart that so many have to fight for what is mandated by law. Karla in Texas jbocci55@... wrote: > > I would have no problem with teacher bringing in a laptop with some goals and > objectives written up as long as I knew they could be tweeked the way the > team agrees to. It saves so much time and truly makes more sense than 5 hour > meetings. JMHO. > > Jackie, Mom to 15ds, 12, and Bradley 9 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 In a message dated 4/25/03 11:58:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kelli1082@... writes: > > I went to the Iep4u website lots of good info. But I didn't see where it > was age specific. Mostly the goals/objectives seemed to old for my son. > He > will be going into second grade next year. Where can I find ieps geared > towards younger kids? For instance austin still struggles with looking at > a > picture and pointing to which has more and less, struggles with simple > addition. Did say edmark has a Math program? > > Thanks for the help, > Kelli > GO back to Kindergarten and look at the goals your state has for that grade (it will probably be postedon the state web site, but if not, your school district can give you a copy) Also look at the series of books " What every Kindergartener should know " , " what every first grader should know " (etc)... that should give you some ideas. - Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 It's always nice to know others are in the same boat. Does your school follow a certain curriculum? It seems here they are just pulling things out of the air almost, hard to explain. How is she doing with other subjects? Handwriting? Austin doesn't do well with spacing, one word would take up a whole line if he doesn't have guidance. Where do you guys live? We are in Oregon. Kelli mom to Austin 7 1/2 -- ieps I went to the Iep4u website lots of good info. But I didn't see where it was age specific. Mostly the goals/objectives seemed to old for my son. He will be going into second grade next year. Where can I find ieps geared towards younger kids? For instance austin still struggles with looking at a picture and pointing to which has more and less, struggles with simple addition. Did say edmark has a Math program? Thanks for the help, Kelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2003 Report Share Posted April 25, 2003 Testing one, two, three .......... and Kelli Ill get back to your post in a bit lol Kathy mom to Sara 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 As we go back to square one b/c the schools draft iep was junk I am trying to go through her review and present levels but the review is barely usable and the present levels have to be redone too. So I am asking if anyone that doesn't mind sharing if you can let me know what your childs goals, services and accomodations are. I wouldn't mind knowing the present levels that go along with these goals too but I know I am already asking a lot of typing so can do without that. If you don't want to post it but are willing to share you can email me privately. I do have a mentor and my friend and cousin are both special ed teachers so I have people to go over it. But they all start with making sure the review is shown in the present levels. Then that goals match present levels and services/accomodations are adequate to work on those goals. That is great but being gifted as well as hfa I think it is hard looking at some things to see the deficits so wanted examples to see if we were missing anything. -- Sent from my mobile device -mommy to Emma, Becca, , , , and baby girl no name (yeah I know, nothing new, does ever pick a name in a timely manner?) July 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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