Re: Immunizations question

[Guest guest]

The question of vaccinations and autism spectrum brings up a lot of strong

feelings for people on both sides of the debate. That said, I have been reading

recently about how the incidence of communicable diseases like whooping cough

have been on the rise (especially in California, where it is very easy to opt

out of vaccinations) because parents have chosen not to vaccinate. The risks

increase when the community as a whole drops below a certain % of vaccinated

people (it's called " herd immunity " ). My son's pediatrician is flexible about

the parent's choice to vaccinate or not, but her professional recommendation is

to do it - she feels that the risk of catching one of the childhood diseases

like measles is greater than the potential risks of vaccination (with the

exception of the Gardasil vaccine). Some pediatricians will work with concerned

parents on alternate schedules where you split up multiple shots or space them

out more.

Also, be sure to check on the laws of your state about the requirements for

immunizations for public schools. For instance, (and I don't know if this is

still true), but when my son was born in Vermont a few years back, the deal was

that a parent could refuse all vaccinations (on religious, health, moral

grounds) but could not get some and refuse others - meaning that if you started

with the vaccinations, you had to get the full course to enter public

kindergarten - no cherry picking allowed.

It is a personal decision, but as for us, we have done all the recommended

vaccinations, including MMR (although not at the same time as varicella).

Honestly, we knew our son was extraordinary from the time he was a newborn, so I

do not worry that vaccinations have played a part in his challenges.

Good luck to you with whatever you decide!

Bridget

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> Has anyone ever declined to get ur childs shots, and then later on decided to

get them instead?  If so, did it have any effects on the child?  I am not sure

if my older son, who is on the spectrum, shots had anything to do with his

autism or not.  And now I am wondering if I should go ahead and get my younger

son his shots or not.  Thanks all.

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> " For every minute you are angry, you lose 60 seconds of happiness. "

> Sometimes the best gifts come in the ugliest packages.

> April is Autism Awareness Month, show ur support!

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[Guest guest]

IMHO, IF you go that route, try to get the single dose shots will less

preservative and I personally would spread them out over a long enough period so

his body is developing immunity to one vaccination at a time. Also, you can be

selective with which ones to get. It isn't an all or none scenario.

Yes, if a large enough population is not vaccinated, an outbreak is possible,

but IMHO our kids are at far higher risk for chemical/vaccine sensitivity.

Furthermore, the number of deaths from these 'outbreaks' is negligible. Far

more lives would be saved simply by lowering the speed limit on the highways by

5 MPH, and IMHO the chocolate milk, strawberry milk and ice cream they hand out

in public school cafeterias should be more of a health concern than a few kids

skipping their vaccinations. Putting it in perspective, whooping cough kills

about 20 people a year, Asperger's/Autism is closing in on 1% of the population,

and 5-10% of our population now has diabetes which kills 50-100,000 Americans a

year. From an individual perspective, we'd get better results from making sure

our kids exercise and keeping them away from corn syrup and other sweets.

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> Has anyone ever declined to get ur childs shots, and then later on decided to

get them instead?  If so, did it have any effects on the child?  I am not sure

if my older son, who is on the spectrum, shots had anything to do with his

autism or not.  And now I am wondering if I should go ahead and get my younger

son his shots or not.  Thanks all.

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> Faith never wonders why.

> Worry about nothing, pray about everything!

> 'Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet

> is fighting some kind of battle.'

> " For every minute you are angry, you lose 60 seconds of happiness. "

> Sometimes the best gifts come in the ugliest packages.

> April is Autism Awareness Month, show ur support!

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you that my son has been extraordinary from birth. The MMR vaccine

knocked him around a bit, but I think his undiagnosed milk allergy knocked him

around more. It's not like he suddenly regressed.

Spreading them out sounds like a very good idea.

Off topic a little, I read some articles about how our pets are over-vaccinated,

and that annual shots for the life time of a cat or dog messes up their immune

systems and may cause cancer etc. Humans are not bombarded with annual

vaccinations for their life-times, but a baby's immune system is immature, so

overloading it with many vaccinations at at once does not seem like a good idea.

Miranda

> It is a personal decision, but as for us, we have done all the recommended

vaccinations, including MMR (although not at the same time as varicella).

Honestly, we knew our son was extraordinary from the time he was a newborn, so I

do not worry that vaccinations have played a part in his challenges.

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> Good luck to you with whatever you decide!

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> Bridget

[Guest guest]

My son with AS/OCD/mild Tourettes was my 1st, and we did all the shots on sched. BUT, then after his dx, we waited until the other kids were older to do their shots. If I'm thinking right, we waiting until they were 2 for their 1st ones. We just wanted to make sure their immune systems were a bit more "matured".

We've never done flu shots or the pneumonia ones or the respiratory ones. No Gardasils....

or any of the optional ones. We even waited for the chicken pox ones....until they HAD to get them (5th grade, I think?)

Even with the waiting and declining of some, my 2nd has OCD and anxiety issues, another son has slow processing issues and attention issues.......

Another has sensory issues.....he he.

SO,,,,,,don't really know if vaccines have anything to do with things, but I stand by waiting at least until they are older and their bodies are better able to "deal" with the stuff.

RobinFour things you can't recover:The stone....after the throw. The word....after it's said.The occasion...after it's missed. The time....after it's gone.

From: Debbie <debsnest6@...>Subject: ( ) Immunizations question"Asperger's Support" <Aspergers Treatment >, "Austinautismsupport" <austinautismsupport >Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:01 PM

Has anyone ever declined to get ur childs shots, and then later on decided to get them instead? If so, did it have any effects on the child? I am not sure if my older son, who is on the spectrum, shots had anything to do with his autism or not. And now I am wondering if I should go ahead and get my younger son his shots or not. Thanks all.

Faith never wonders why.

Worry about nothing, pray about everything!

'Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.'

"For every minute you are angry, you lose 60 seconds of happiness."

Sometimes the best gifts come in the ugliest packages.

April is Autism Awareness Month, show ur support!

[Guest guest]

That was an interesting point about the pet vaccinations. When I was a child,

the first dose of the feline leukemia vaccination nearly killed our cat

(needless to say we did not get her the follow up boosters). When we got a

second cat, we decided not to vaccinate him for feline leukemia because the cats

shared water and food and we were afraid any of it in his saliva might hurt the

cat who had the bad reaction. Guess what cat #2 ended up dying from - feline

leukemia. Meanwhile the cat who had nearly died from the vaccination lived to be

19 years old.

Bridget

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> I agree with you that my son has been extraordinary from birth. The MMR

vaccine knocked him around a bit, but I think his undiagnosed milk allergy

knocked him around more. It's not like he suddenly regressed.

> Spreading them out sounds like a very good idea.

>

> Off topic a little, I read some articles about how our pets are

over-vaccinated, and that annual shots for the life time of a cat or dog messes

up their immune systems and may cause cancer etc. Humans are not bombarded with

annual vaccinations for their life-times, but a baby's immune system is

immature, so overloading it with many vaccinations at at once does not seem like

a good idea.

>

> Miranda

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> > It is a personal decision, but as for us, we have done all the recommended

vaccinations, including MMR (although not at the same time as varicella).

Honestly, we knew our son was extraordinary from the time he was a newborn, so I

do not worry that vaccinations have played a part in his challenges.

> >

> > Good luck to you with whatever you decide!

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> > Bridget

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[Guest guest]

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Great post and perspectives.......

RobinFour things you can't recover:The stone....after the throw. The word....after it's said.The occasion...after it's missed. The time....after it's gone.

From: bucaroobonzai2003 <bucaroobonzai2003@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Immunizations question Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 12:54 AM

IMHO, IF you go that route, try to get the single dose shots will less preservative and I personally would spread them out over a long enough period so his body is developing immunity to one vaccination at a time. Also, you can be selective with which ones to get. It isn't an all or none scenario.Yes, if a large enough population is not vaccinated, an outbreak is possible, but IMHO our kids are at far higher risk for chemical/vaccine sensitivity. Furthermore, the number of deaths from these 'outbreaks' is negligible. Far more lives would be saved simply by lowering the speed limit on the highways by 5 MPH, and IMHO the chocolate milk, strawberry milk and ice cream they hand out in public school cafeterias should be more of a health concern than a few kids skipping their vaccinations. Putting it in perspective, whooping cough kills about 20 people a year, Asperger's/Autism is closing in on 1% of the population, and 5-10% of our population now

has diabetes which kills 50-100,000 Americans a year. From an individual perspective, we'd get better results from making sure our kids exercise and keeping them away from corn syrup and other sweets.->> > Has anyone ever declined to get ur childs shots, and then later on decided to get them instead? If so, did it have any effects on the child? I am not sure if my older son, who is on the spectrum, shots had anything to do with his autism or not. And now I am wondering if I should go ahead and get my younger son his shots or not. Thanks all.> > > Faith never wonders why.> Worry about nothing, pray about

everything!> 'Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet > is fighting some kind of battle.' > "For every minute you are angry, you lose 60 seconds of happiness."> Sometimes the best gifts come in the ugliest packages.> April is Autism Awareness Month, show ur support!> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

We don't get our old dog vaccinated anymore. The vet told us to stop

vaccinating our last cat in her old age, as knocked her around too much. We now

have an inside cat, and he's had 2 vaccinations, and we won't bother with

anymore unless he needs to stay at a cattery. He is very low risk as does not

have exposure to other cats

Miranda

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> > I agree with you that my son has been extraordinary from birth. The MMR

vaccine knocked him around a bit, but I think his undiagnosed milk allergy

knocked him around more. It's not like he suddenly regressed.

> > Spreading them out sounds like a very good idea.

> >

> > Off topic a little, I read some articles about how our pets are

over-vaccinated, and that annual shots for the life time of a cat or dog messes

up their immune systems and may cause cancer etc. Humans are not bombarded with

annual vaccinations for their life-times, but a baby's immune system is

immature, so overloading it with many vaccinations at at once does not seem like

a good idea.

> >

> > Miranda

> >

> > > It is a personal decision, but as for us, we have done all the recommended

vaccinations, including MMR (although not at the same time as varicella).

Honestly, we knew our son was extraordinary from the time he was a newborn, so I

do not worry that vaccinations have played a part in his challenges.

> > >

> > > Good luck to you with whatever you decide!

> > >

> > > Bridget

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[Guest guest]

When my 3rd ds was born, I was nervous about vaccines since our other two ds's have autism. My doc assured me there is not a connection and intellectually, I understood and agreed. But emotionally....another story. You just think, "yes but what if...?" as a parent - I did anyway. So we did stagger his vaccine schedule and the doc was great at working with me on it.

The ironic part is that having delayed his shots, my ds was still not talking, just like his brothers had developed and I was really starting to freak out with this "Here we go again" thinking. Then we got his shots at age 3 that were required for age 2, and within a week or two, his language came in. lol. I have told this story a few times before (sorry any old timers) but it is just so ironic. lol. So anyway, he went on to speak although he still has ST and has a dx of dyslexia.

Anyway, just food for thought. If it worries you, find a doc who will stagger the vaccines for your peace of mind. I stopped doing that after my ds started talking though. I just felt it was not a factor. But I know others feel strongly the other way.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) Immunizations question

Has anyone ever declined to get ur childs shots, and then later on decided to get them instead? If so, did it have any effects on the child? I am not sure if my older son, who is on the spectrum, shots had anything to do with his autism or not. And now I am wondering if I should go ahead and get my younger son his shots or not. Thanks all.

Faith never wonders why.

Worry about nothing, pray about everything!

'Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet

is fighting some kind of battle.'

"For every minute you are angry, you lose 60 seconds of happiness."

Sometimes the best gifts come in the ugliest packages.

April is Autism Awareness Month, show ur support!