Re: GAP Questions

[Guest guest]

Bumping - good questions.

Sorry i don't have any answers as i do not have the SCD or BTVC book

and i feel GAPS really needs more improvement in describing the full

diet, actual stages, and how to implement it all. Now i am going ot

have to buy the other 2 books

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> Hey - we just joined and I " ve got a few questions about implementing

> GAPS.

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> As a marker, our family finished our 3rd day of the intro diet

tonight.

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> Here are my questions:

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[Guest guest]

I hope someone with more experience pipes in here. From reading the GAPS book, I don't remember her giving any advice about adding in spices slowly, or when/how to add seeds/nuts. Perhaps the Breaking the Viscious Cycle book has that advice. I've done a different candida diet before (Bee Wilder's) and it was fine to add the spices in right away. The seeds in the zucchini would have been just fine too. I don't remember Dr. NCM mentioning " waiting " before adding in raw fruit. In fact, her book doesn't mention a specific " intro " diet from what I remember, but I did read it as fast as I could. What " intro " diet did you find? I do know that Dr. NCM said no dairy for at least 6 weeks, and has a specific dairy intro protocol that has an order to it. Kefir and yogurt are mentioned, but I don't remember where they fit into that protocol. (It starts with ghee, then butter.)

Marla

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:38 PM, sanjaeb2 <sanjaeb@...> wrote:

Hey - we just joined and I " ve got a few questions about implementingGAPS.As a marker, our family finished our 3rd day of the intro diet tonight.

Here are my questions:1. What about seasonings like curry, onion, garlic, lemon pepper. etc(all organic)? Do I need to be careful and add them slowly too?2. Regarding yogurt - can I use homemade kefir instead? - we have our

own milk cow and I've got grains. If not, does anyone have asuggestion for a yogurt starter? I can get goat's milk if I need to,but how can I tell whether goat or cow is better for my family.3. When moving on to a veggie like zuchinni, does it need to be peeled

and de-seeded at first, at this early stage?4. How can you tell if you're ready for raw fruits and veggies? I'veread the book and scoured www.pecanbread.com and am missing a " clear "

sign - maybe from the toxins in my system . Undigested food in thestool, behavioral symptoms, stool abnormalities, etc. seem rather vagueto me (well, I guess not the first one). I'm just not wanting to make

a mistake and move too fast.Anyway, all thoughts would be helpful.ThanksSanj------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

This is a good site that breaks down the stages:

http://www.pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html#intro

I have both books and my take on it is that GAPS (Gut And Psychology Syndrome) is a syndrome and uses the SCD (Specific Carbohydrate Diet) to heal the GAPS syndrome. There is tons of info on the web about SCD. The GAPS book very nicely explains all the updated science behind why the SCDiet works, but don't buy it for recipes, there are fewer than in the BTVC. GAPS does restrict some things that the BTVC allowed (like deep fried foods and artificial sweeteners), so there are a few differences, but I think because of more information now. Depending on your issue, nuts should not be introduced too soon, everyone's needs are so individual. Good luck! BTW, we have been on the SCD since January, for my son's Asperger's, and this is the first in 10 years all of us haven't needed any spring hayfever allergy meds! Also, my son's counselor wants to know more about the diet because of the progress she's seen. Good luck!

From: beauty4ashesisaiah61@...Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:03:01 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: GAP Questions

Bumping - good questions. Sorry i don't have any answers as i do not have the SCD or BTVC book and i feel GAPS really needs more improvement in describing the full diet, actual stages, and how to implement it all. Now i am going ot have to buy the other 2 books >> Hey - we just joined and I"ve got a few questions about implementing > GAPS. > > As a marker, our family finished our 3rd day of the intro diet tonight.> > Here are my questions:> Get Free (PRODUCT) RED™ Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. Check it out!

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It depends on why you're on the diet. If you've had a severe GI disorder (i.e., Crohn's) for years, where you have diarrhea multiple times a day, you need to begin in stages, to see 'how bad' you are. You can intoduce foods that are more difficult to digest when diarrhea disappears, but in stages. Most adults already know whether or not they (or their child) tolerate nut, seeds and spices. A child with ASD, may be able to tolerate nuts and spices. BTVC says you can have them as long as you can tolerate them (they don't cause diarrhea).

GAPS page 105: "This diet uses nuts and seeds extensively. However, they are fibrous and should not be introduced until the diarrhoea is settled.... Sunflower, pumpkin and sesame are best soaked in water for about 12 hours or slightly sprouted. This way they are much easier to digest and are more nourishing."

GAPS page 104: "Fruit can be fresh, cooked or raw, dried... and frozen. If the patient has diarrhoea, avoid fruit initially. As the diarrhoea settles, start introducing cooked fruit (peeled and de-seeded prior to cooking). When the stool becomes consistently normal then you can slowly introduce raw fruit as a snack between meals. It is not a good idea to have raw fruit with the meals as the fruit may interfere with the digestion of meats."

GAPS page 98: "How to introduce dairy products - the summary... Step 1. Only home-made ghee. This step lasts on average six months. If ... patient can not tolerate ghee, you may find that .. will never tolerate any dairy product. ... Step 2. Organic butter...add gradually...watch for reaction. Step 3. home-made yoghurt... starting from one teaspoon a day and gradually increasing... Step 4. mouthful or organic cheddar cheese with a meal...no reaction....gradually increase daily.... only after yoghurt is well tolerated. Step 5. Commercially available live natural yoghurt, soured cream and creme fraiche... do not rush this step... the majority of GAPS people are ready for this step by the end of two years on the diet."

If have read (have to look it up) they she is now allowing a different protocol if using raw dairy.

Hope this helps.

From: busykitchen@...Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:58:27 -0700Subject: Re: [ ] GAP Questions

I hope someone with more experience pipes in here. From reading the GAPS book, I don't remember her giving any advice about adding in spices slowly, or when/how to add seeds/nuts. Perhaps the Breaking the Viscious Cycle book has that advice. I've done a different candida diet before (Bee Wilder's) and it was fine to add the spices in right away. The seeds in the zucchini would have been just fine too. I don't remember Dr. NCM mentioning "waiting" before adding in raw fruit. In fact, her book doesn't mention a specific "intro" diet from what I remember, but I did read it as fast as I could. What "intro" diet did you find? I do know that Dr. NCM said no dairy for at least 6 weeks, and has a specific dairy intro protocol that has an order to it. Kefir and yogurt are mentioned, but I don't remember where they fit into that protocol. (It starts with ghee, then butter.)

Marla

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:38 PM, sanjaeb2 <sanjaebmsn> wrote:

Hey - we just joined and I"ve got a few questions about implementingGAPS.As a marker, our family finished our 3rd day of the intro diet tonight.Here are my questions:1. What about seasonings like curry, onion, garlic, lemon pepper. etc(all organic)? Do I need to be careful and add them slowly too?2. Regarding yogurt - can I use homemade kefir instead? - we have ourown milk cow and I've got grains. If not, does anyone have asuggestion for a yogurt starter? I can get goat's milk if I need to,but how can I tell whether goat or cow is better for my family.3. When moving on to a veggie like zuchinni, does it need to be peeledand de-seeded at first, at this early stage?4. How can you tell if you're ready for raw fruits and veggies? I'veread the book and scoured www.pecanbread.com and am missing a "clear"sign - maybe from the toxins in my system . Undigested food in thestool, behavioral symptoms, stool abnormalities, etc. seem rather vagueto me (well, I guess not the first one). I'm just not wanting to makea mistake and move too fast.Anyway, all thoughts would be helpful.ThanksSanj------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

<<It depends on why you're on the diet. If you've had a severe GI

disorder (i.e., Crohn's) for years, ...>>

and others,

I think you are so correct. The diet has to be specific to two

things: the illness/condition and the individual. The SCD diet was

originally for treating Crohn's as stated and evolved with the

work of Elaine Gotschall's endeavor to help parents of autistic

children recover them as she had recovered her daughter from very bad

bowel disease. Elaine felt that lots of autistic children had bowel

issues and she is very correct. Elaine was dealing with gut

inflamation and bacterial infections in great part.

The GAPS diet is a result of Dr. N recovering her child from autism

by using the SCD and building on it. The BED diet which is what has

worked very well for us was originally designed to combat Candida and

fungal infections. Donna has gone on to help parents of autistic

children recover their children b/c our kids also battle chronic

fungal infections. I also know that Bee's diet is specifically for

Candida and shares many of the concepts of the GAPS and BED.

I tried the SCD but it was not good for my son b/c it uses honey (not

good for fungus b/c it feeds yeast) and nuts that he had issues due

to viral infection. I have been to the SCD autism site

(pecanbread.com) of late and noticed that there is a word of caution

now about not using honey early on if there is yeast infection

present. On the SCD, seeds and raw veggies are allowed and if my son

had chronic diarrhea, I would not do raw since often people with

severe IBD are unable to digest raw veggies and things like zucchini seeds.

I am not an expert on any of these diets, but this is what I have

gleaned from studying the different ones. Dr. N and Donna have teamed

up quite a bit b/c they both have many similarities in their approach

such as the use of colon cleansing and fermented foods. SCD uses

yogurt, while BED and GAPS goes farther by using fermented vegetables

and things like dairy kefir, coconut kefir and so on. I think that

the first thing to consider is what illness are you battling (autism,

IBD, Candida, multiple issues, etc) and secondly, the unique person.

My son has always had a horrendous reaction to honey and almonds, so

until he is more recovered, I won't use that.

I hope this helps a bit to understand the diets and the issues, it

took me a while to figure them out,

Millie