Guest guest Posted February 8, 2002 Report Share Posted February 8, 2002 Here is the link for the Live Chat that occurred on Boston's WHDH, Channel 7 last night (Thurday, February 7th) with Jeff May, author of " My House is Killing Me. " This chat followed a special report on WHDH on Wednesday's 11 p.m. news. http://www.whdh.com/livechat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 I could not find this story on WHDH, can anyone help me find it? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: MLMJ75@... Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:12 AM MarthasMe@...; pbarth@...; RSMC55@...; kieoh@...; johncoby@...; kerrycostello@...; Sawyercros@...; Info@...; Healthrights@...; glindsayid@...; Rllipsey87@...; jmhi@...; Kenmoulton@...; agasaya@...; ; imd@...; toxicmoldsurvivors ; ToxicMoldVictims ; guykeithvann@...; GW@...; SYerkes@... Subject: [] Chat on WHDH-TV Boston Re: Sick Homes Here is the link for the Live Chat that occurred on Boston's WHDH, Channel 7 last night (Thurday, February 7th) with Jeff May, author of "My House is Killing Me." This chat followed a special report on WHDH on Wednesday's 11 p.m. news. http://www.whdh.com/livechat/FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2002 Report Share Posted February 14, 2002 From: " Dayberry " <sdayberry@...> Subject: Re: [] Chat on WHDH-TV Boston Re: Sick Homes Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:09:55 -0600 I could not find this story on WHDH, can anyone help me find it? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: MLMJ75@... Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: [] Chat on WHDH-TV Boston Re: Sick Homes Here is the link for the Live Chat that occurred on Boston's WHDH, Channel 7 last night (Thurday, February 7th) with Jeff May, author of " My House is Killing Me. " This chat followed a special report on WHDH on Wednesday's 11 p.m. news. http://www.whdh.com/livechat/, 2/7/2001, Boston Jeff May: Good evening, everyone. I look forward to receiving your questions. Jeff May Carin: During the winter months, I tend to wake up with headaches rather frequently...I'm thinking it's because my apartment is incredibly dry...I have a humidifier, but are there other things I should be thinking about? Jeff May: Make sure that your humidifier is not an evaporative pad humidifier. Use only a warm mist humidifier, and keep the relative humidity under 35% in the winter. One very common cause of headaches is carbon monoxide poisoning. You should have your heating equipment - hot water heater and furnace - checked. Sometimes ovens can also be a source of carbon monoxide. The gas company can check all of these for you. Moldy: Jeff, I've been experiencing several inexplicable respiratory and nerological problems since moving into a new home. Upon examination, I found black & brown mold on the foundation wall in my basement. Jeff May: Some molds can cause neurological problems, but often off-gassing from new carpets can do this. If your heating system is a hot air furnace that has a leaky return, you may be drawing in moldy basement air. I would first determine if in fact the foundation wall discoloration is mold. You probably shouldn't clean this yourself, because if it is making you ill, you could be affected by it. Hire a professional to clean it if necessary. cynthia: We have children with symptoms, earwigs, evidence of water damage and mold spots on the walls in our rental home, what is the best bet for healthy air a dehumidifier a electronic precipitator, a HEPA or ULPA air filtering portable unit? Jeff May: , if you have contaminated carpeting, you should be very careful about operating any air purifiers that disturb the dusts. You should determine what is in the dust first and if there are problems, eliminate the sources. cmac: jeff, we are very interested in finishing our basement. we hear you don't advise this. our basement is dry. why shouldn't we go ahead?? Jeff May: cmac: Finished basements are very often the source of mold and odor problems. They MUST be kept dehumidified during the summer (relative humidity below 50%) and kept warm in the winter, never below 65%. Most of the finished basements that I inspect end up in the dumpster! Read the chapter in my book on finished basements if you insist on proceeding. cmac: jeff, thanks for the advice. we have a dehumidifer in the basement and central air(i don't use that often). we plan on installing heat in the finished basement. i plan on reading your book. any other advice you can give me now before i can get your book? Jeff May: cmac: Read the book, but not in bed at night! You'll see why I say this. Moldy: After a battery of negative medical tests, I'm wondering if there's a connection here? If so, how do I clean the black & brown mold from the painted walls of the foundation? Jeff May: Moldy: There are thousands of possible mold allergens and hundreds of possible insect allergens, few of which can ever be tested for; therefore, a negative allergy test doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have a problem in a house. Rotxa: Hello Mr. May. Thanks for making yourself available for this chat. I'd like to start by asking you if you know of a specific test that a doctor can use to determine if somebody has mold " inside " his or her body. I heard a horrific tale of somebody with a " colony " in his esophagus and general throat area. Jeff May: Rotxa: Actually having mold growing inside your body is quite unusual, although there are two places that I am familiar with where this occurs: in the sinus cavities and in the lungs (aspergillosis). I recently heard a lecture by a Dr. Rimaldi, who actually described finding a mushroom growing within a sinus cavity. I'm not aware of any tests for determining if there is mold growing elsewhere. laura: I suffer from chronic sinus headaches and I am always tired. I have noticed mold growing in my shower walls. Could this be making me sick? Jeff May: : It's very unlikely that mold from the shower walls are the problem. Obviously, this should be cleaned, but the exposures from carpeting or bedding tend to be more significant. You should improve the ventilation in your bathroom to minimize the excess moisture. You can also increase the insulation in the ceiling and the outside walls to minimize moisture and mildew problems. MikeW: Jeff, I was exposed to mold in a previous job (they " tested " and found nothing even though I could smell it). I'm still sick and it's been two months. Do you know of any specific tests a doctor could perform to prove that it is mold-related? Jeff May: MikeW: It is almost impossible to prove " in the legal sense " mold exposures. If you smell mold, there is a mold problem! Very often, inadequate testing is done and most often, this is why mold problems go undetected. If you feel better on the weekends, when you are not at work, then that is telling you that the workspace is a problem for you. But very often, people have problems at work also have exposures at home. Make sure you have minimized your exposures to allergens at home. cynthia: We have spoken before regarding our toxic moldy home in Millis. Now we are being told we are not allowed to have an experienced mold remediation company, that should carry mold pollution liability insurance. The company being offered to us has 20 citations against them, from the lead and asbestos MA Occupational Safety Division, do you think this is resonable when the insurance companies denial of services resulted in our house getting so sick in the first place? Jeff May: : We should talk about this privately. AmeeD: Hi Jeff, the story on 7news tonight seemed exactly like what could be going on in my home...i have terribly allergies, watery eyes and sneezing especially, as well as itchy throat and my basement reeks of must. could that be a sign of mold? how do i go about having the house checked without tearing up the walls? Jeff May: AmeeD: There are many possible sources of mold in the basement, particularly if it's finished spaces. If you are reacting so quickly, most likely, the source of the allergen is not a wall cavity. You should probably do some air testing, and surface dust testing. And don't tear up walls until you have this done, for fear of releasing more allergens into the air. Remember, about a third of the " fresh " air in a house in the winter comes from a basement! robyn: Jeff, I just recovered from an asthma problem because of our woodstove. The former owner of our house also had a cat and had a woodshop where he made furniture in our basement. We have wood floors but I'm wondering if sawdust could be in the air and if it could be a problem. Jeff May: robyn: If you are allergic to cats, you must eliminate all the house dust. Be sure to check the refrigerator, radiators, etc. Use only a HEPA vacuum! It is unlikely that the sawdust could be a problem, but if there is exposed fiberglass insulation in the basement, it may be full of sawdust, which can be a nutrient for mold growth. In basements that do not have adequate dehumidification, fiberglass can become severely infested with mold and mites (30% of basement ceiling fiberglass that I have sampled was moldy). janet: I have only been home for 24 hours and I am again experiencing the systems described on the 6:00 News tonight. We have a down pillow but that is all the down we own. When I am out of the house I am fine, otherwise I am so tired I spend most of my time in bed. Jeff May: Janet: It sounds as though something in the house is definitely bothering you. You are not imagining it. If you react so quickly, it is probably something that is in the air in the house. It's important to find the source. It's probably not just the pillow, although if you feel much worse in the morning after sleeping in the pillow, this could be part of the problem. Jeff May: Make sure that you do not have any down quilts or pillows on your bed. You should contact DACI Lab at s Hopkins University and get a dust-mite test kit. Moldy: Jeff, Can I just spray paint over the mold or does it need to be proffesionally cleaned, then repainted? Thanks for your adept advice! Jeff May: Moldy: It depends where it is. Sometimes, spray painting is adequate, but you really have to protect yourself from the spores whenever mold is disturbed, and you must always eliminate the moisture source first; otherwise, the mold will reappear. Sometimes, surface mold is an indication of a hidden water problem inside a wall, and sometimes, the problem can be quite extensive. Spores may get into the house from the wall cavity. bmctighe: Where can I get those bedding covers that you recommend? Jeff May: bmctighe: There is this wonderful little store in Lexington called Home Environmental. They sell dust mite covers, HEPA vacuum cleaners, air filters, etc. cynthia: My youngest is 2 and tested positve for cat allergy only with skin tests, I wash down comforters in hot water bimonthly do you still think mites could be the cause? Jeff May: : If you have an allergic child, you should not use down pillows or comforters anywhere in the house, nor furniture cushions that have down. If your child is allergic to cats at that age, she is probably exposed to a source of cat allergen. Cat allergen lasts forever, and just the dust from a refrigerator can cause problems. Buy a HEPA vacuum and clean, clean, clean, including the bottoms of baseboard convectors, if you have them. Think about places that you have never thought about, and then clean them. Actually, washing thick bedding too frequently can create a problem. I recommend placing bedding in the drier once a week. That should be plenty to kill lots of mites! wssick: Thank you for your research into the aliments associated with mold. I am fearful of losing my job since the school I work in is making me very sick. They deny it but I've had a private lab analyze one site and located 42 different mold colonies. Help! Jeff May: wssick: On the job problems, particularly in schools, are huge. There are many websites dealing with these, and the more teachers are aware, the more likely it will be that solutions will be found. I am planning to look at these issues for my next book. rdcmcd: what type of smptoms could you experience if you were sensitive to dust Jeff May: rdcmcd: Allergy symptoms. Look it up on the internet. wssick: Are there any molds that cause permanent damage to your respiratory system? Jeff May: wssick: Long term exposure to mold spores can cause interstitial fibrosis, but typically, people get better after their exposures to mold are eliminated. Allergy symptoms may be away within hours to days, but more serious lung conditions may take months to decrease. Mycotoxins are chemicals in some mold spores that can cause acute symptoms, such as nose bleeds. Long term exposures to mycotoxins may even be the source of some cancers (Balkin endemic nephropathy BEN may be due to exposure to ochratoxin from Aspergillus). moldboy: Mr. May, do the covers you can purchase for your bed and pillows work? Jeff May: moldboy: Pillow and mattress covers are the single most important strategy in controlling bedroom allergens. Make sure you purchase covers that do not have holes, and they must seal at the ends. moldyattic: tonite you talked about a house in hudson, NH which had mold in the attic. Please indicate how this was determined. Thanks, Judy Jeff May: Judy - I didn't investigate that house, and I have no idea what the conditions were. rebelsun2000: We live in an old farm house in Cumberland, R.I. which is approxe . 150 years old. We rent the first floor of the house, and have noticed what appears to be black mold under the baseboard radiators in the dining room. The people renting the 2nd floor have experienced respiratory problems, as have we. Our landlord has had the carpets cleaned, but refuses to do any more with regards to water leaking in from the outside, or to investigate or repair the mold problem. Are there laws to protect us, and is there any way we can either have the mold problem checked, or to compel her to correct the problem. Last year at this time, pipes broke in the house, the landlord received the insurance settlement, and would only have a restoration company come in to dry out the water in the house, but has yet to repair the subfloor, carpets, ceiling, etc. damaged in the flood. How serious can this mold problem be? Our landlord does not believe the mold can be a health issue, and as an atty. she does not believe she is responsible for our illnesses or to repair the house. Any information you can provide us will be very helpful and appreciated. Jeff May: rebelsun2000: The most likely source of your problem is the carpeting. Even though it has been washed, it is probable that there are still allergens and irritants present. You should try covering it all up with some impermeable material. If this is not feasible, get some plastic runner and only walk on that. If the black under the radiator is in carpeting, it could be mold; but if it is in wood floor, it probably is not an exposure issue. Be sure that all the ducts are cleaned (with HEPA vacuum) from all the radiators. bagualzinha: The pilot light on my gas stove goes out all the time. When I come home from work, the kitchen will have a very strong gas odor. I normally just relight the pilot light and forget about it. Should I be concerned about what is leaking out? Jeff May: bagualzinha: If I were you, I'd get the gas company to adjust the gas flow to the pilot so that it doesn't go out. PhyllisF: Jeff, I just put new carpeting in my home and I've had chronic dizziness, headaches and sinus problems. If the " off-gassing " is a problem, will steam cleaning it solve the problem? Jeff May: Phyllis: Cleaning a carpet will not resolve the off-gassing issue. Some carpets off-gas strongly for a few days, and others for years. If you notice the characteristic chemical carpet smell (most often due to 4-phenylcyclohexene - a byproduct of the backing manufacturing), this may be causing your difficulties. Another possibility is that the carpet contains biological contaminants from the water used during manufacture. Treatment with steam vapor machine, such as a DeLongi (available from the Home Environmental Store) might help destroy the biological allergens, but the only way you eliminate the off-gassing is to eliminate the carpeting. Labs in Vermont can test carpet pieces for off-gassing. cynthia: After an unsuccessful attempt to save our home, (a contractor flooded the walls) we learned that only 15% of all molds are visable. Could you let viewers know that " hidden mold " exists? Jeff May: : Most wall cavities in older buildings contain some mold growth, particularly if there has been leakage. Often, the presence of this mold can neither be seen nor experienced, because there are no air flows out of the wall. Sometimes, there can be strong odors and if there are air flows out of the wall, through an electric outlet for example, spores may actually enter the room air. x4635: Jeff, How would I go about having my home inspected by you? Jeff May: Jx4635 -Just call my office at 617-354-0152 and ask for Connie. She schedules our appointments. : Lets talk about these expensive dust-covers? I sneeze and wheeze year round and the Allegra & Nasonex aren't doing the trick. This could be a big investment to cover all the mattresses, box springs and pillows in my home Are they worth the money? Jeff May: - What's more expensive? Years of medication? Or the covers? You needn't cover box springs right away, because dust mites really only thrive in the pillows and mattress. If you want to solve the problem, you MUST cover. ColleenMc: Recently my husband tore out the ceiling in the basement and found many mouse nests and feces from mice. Then he started smelling a strong smell in the attic and basement which makes his throat sore and makes him feel naseous. I cannot smell it. He is more sensitive to dust, etc. than I am. He would like to know what you would liken a mold smell to. About a year and a half ago we had bedbugs three different times. It was soon after we moved into this house and it happened in our boys room which is the room the attic opens into. What should we do about the recent smell or what do you think it is? I just gave you some background on us. That's why the information about the bedbugs, etc. Thank you. ColleenMc Jeff May: Colleenmc: Actually, this problem is extremely common, and the odor in many older homes (and even some newer ones!) is due to rodent infestations in walls and fiberglass insulation. To get rid of all the odor problems, you have to get rid of all the fiberglass to which the rodents had access. Use great caution during removal, because you can spread a variety of biological agents. For any type of insect problem, the safest treatment is using steam vapor from a DeLongi. Never use pesticides in the bedroom. B: Hi Jeff. My wife and I recently moved into an old house. How can I safely remove wallpaper that has black stains (mold or mildew) on it without causing the toxins to be air-borne? Jeff May: B: Mold spores only become airborne during disturbances if they are dry. As long as the problem is not too extensive, you can spray all the wallpaper with water containing a small amount of bleach. Make sure that the wallpaper is fully soaked before you attempt to remove it. To be safe, wear a mask and isolate the area from the rest of the house. If there is an extensive mold problem, it should be dealt with professionally. Marisa: My home is approximately 8 years old. Over the past 5 years I have been experiencing a black soot like substance covering my walls and even in the cabinets. I went up into the attic and found that the wall was also covered with this black substance. Any recommendations you have will be appreciated. Jeff May: Marisa - Most likely, you have been burning jar candles. It only takes one jar candle to blacken a house. Shelby: We recently determined that we had a ventilation problem in our attic. We have had moisture for two winters and now there is quite a bit of mold, some of which is black. Can we kill this with a bleach solution? If not what should we be doing to protect our family? Jeff May: Shelby: It is very unusual for the black mold in attics to be the toxic kind (Stachybotrys), because Stachybotrys only grows on constantly wet cellulose (such as the paper in drywall). You should certainly improve the ventilation to minimize future problems. Also check to be sure that there are not large sources of house air flowing into the attic. Look around the plumbing stacks, chimneys. Sometimes, if the mold problem isn't too extensive, sealing with paint (after eliminating moisture sources) is all that is necessary. stacey: We noticed that in our attic, on one side there is black mold (sometimes with ice crystals) growing on the underside of the roof, between the 2x8s. I have been told its probably due to lack of circulation. What do you think and how would you recommend fixing the problem and getting rid of the black mold Jeff May: Stacey: The North-facing gable is colder because it doesn't get sun in the winter. Warm air leaks up from the house into the attic and carries moisture with it. Stop the leakage and increase the ventilation. JackLydon: Jeff, I'm trying to do my best to eliminate the problems. I have an electrostatic air cleaner as part of my 2 HVAC systems in the house. We have Carbon monoxide detectors in the house and and they haven't gone off. As a preventative measure, should I run my basement dehumidifier in the Winter, even thought it's so cold down there? Jeff May: Jack: Do not run the dehumidifier in the winter: a waste of energy. Electrostatic air cleaners do not really solve any problems; if there is mold growth or allergens inside the furnace or air conditioning coil, the system has to be cleaned before any filter can do any good. I never recommend electrostatic, electronic or any type of washable filter. Use only media filters. Have your system professionally cleaned by a company such as Envirotech in Stoneham, MA. janet: Thanks Jeff. It's Janet again. Where do I go to test the air? Should I contact DAC Labs at Hopkins? Jeff May: Janet - E-mail me at jmhi@... JeannieC: I've lived in several different houses but have suffered from generalized fatigue for years. If it's something in the house, what's the most likely culprit? Jeff May: Jeannie - This is an enormous question. Read the book and try to unravel the mystery. cynthia: The mold remediation industry is young and dangerous. Do you have any suggestions for new statutory provisions or a licensing system that would improve the standards in MA? TX and CA have proposals already. Jeff May: : I don't know that any type of legislation will really help the situation. The most important thing now is for everyone to understand what the problems are and how they can be solved. Part of the California legislation involves trying to establish a scientific basis for the problems as well as the remediation efforts. I guess, unfortunately, there has been a lot of attention focused on the really obvious mold problems and in some cases, the attention has not led to productive results. In reality, most of the worst mold problems that I see are invisible in people's carpets and furniture. cynthia: Does MA sanitary code provide standards for acceptable indoor air mold limits in rental housing? Jeff May: - No. Legislation has been proposed, but determining actual permissible limits for exposures to mold is going to be an extremely difficult, if not impossible, task. robyn: Thanks for your response! One other question: how do you test the air in your house? Jeff May: robyn - Go to my website at www.jmhi.com - and read my book. TerryD: Jeff, If the previous owner of my home knew of the mold and water leak problems I'm having, do I have any recourse? Jeff May: TerryD - I suggest that you talk to an attorney, but this is something that would be very difficult to prove. Dawn: My home tested positive for high levels of mold contamination. My son who was born in the house, (and lived there for 3 years is autistic. The family we bought the house from also has a child with autism who was born there, and their other son that was born there is developmentally delayed? Could this be from the mold? Jeff May: Dawn - I would be very careful about the company that did the testing. For example, settle plate testing, in which a Petri dish is left open for 15 minutes to an hour, is useless. I have no idea if mold could cause autism, but exposures to elevated levels of mold spores can be very unhealthy for sensitized individuals. ColleenMc: Can one spray for dust mites? If you cover the beds and pillows with allergy covers do the mites die or are they locked up inside the cover? Jeff May: Colleenmc: I don't recommend using any kind of sprays. For example, tannic acid can help reduce the level of allergens temporarily, but this is not a long-term solution. Mattress and pillow covers are long-term solutions, because they simultaneously prevent the entry of necessary moisture and the release of mite allergens. As soon as the moisture source stops (sweat from our bodies), mites die. terry: My parents' home is so loaded with mothballs that I can't stand to be there even briefly. Everything sent to us from there must be thrown out. Now my mother has dizziness, nausea and generalized malaise. Can it be the moth balls? Jeff May: terry - Exposure to vapors from moth balls (it's either paradichlorobenzene or naphthalene) can cause problems for those who are chemically sensitized. I believe that some people become sensitized from the exposure. ALEXSIS: Jeff, can you recomend a Boston area allergist who specializes in detecting home based allergies/illnesses? Jeff May: sis - Dr. Monafo in Townsend, MA specializes in dealing with mold problems. x4635: I have a problem with the ceilings in my home. I get black lines across my ceilings in the same locations every time I paint or wash the ceilings the lines always come back. I have asked many people about the problem and I have tried all the suggestions they have given me, but to no avail. How can I tell if it is wihin the walls or in the fiberglass in the attic. It is definitely a huge problem. My older son has terrible allegies and I am wondering if it has any connection? Jeff May: x4635: The problem is called " ghosting " or " thermal telegraphing. " The black lines develop at colder wall and ceiling areas. The deposition is usually due to soot from jar candles or other soot sources, such as poorly vented gas fireplaces, underground parking garages, or kerosene lanterns. cynthia: Our home has forced hot water base board heat with rusty covers (because of a previous pipe burst) I have wiped them down but removing the covers is very difficult. How about a hair dryer to clean them out? Jeff May: - You have to bite the bullet and take them apart. Don't use your hair dryer. You will be blowing dust around and there will be no point in cleaning them. bmctighe: Is there a place locally where I can get your book? Jeff May: bmctighe: You can buy the book through Amazon.com, and some and Nobles carry it. Home Environmental in Lexington also carries the book. ann: If you put bedding in the dryer weekly, avoid down, and vacuum will you be doing just about all there is(in a mold-free home)? Jeff May: Ann - These are strategies for keeping dust mite levels down (and use a HEPA vacuum). Mold is an entirely different issue. angel: Hi, I have been getting major dust all over my house I have to say I am a clean freak. and ready to have a break down. I've had everyone from the chimney man to the board of health here. The furnace and chimney were looked at and all repaired about three months ago when the fire department red tagged it. That was supposed to be the problem but I’m still getting it every place dishes, food wrappers tables rugs ect... My living room curtains and rug I replaced along with ALL my blinds when it was so called fixed if you move a piece of furniture it is 4 shades brighter under it evenly. my curtain and blinds look 20 years old or like they've been in a fire PLEASE HELP I don't know what to do. All our throats burn and we get migraines , My husband has gotten chest pains and my son and I are always short of breath. Jeff May: Angel - I am very sorry to hear about this problem; unfortunately, many " experts " try to solve problems before they know what they are. It is VERY simple to determine what the problem is by looking at the dust under a microscope. Probably 80 to 90% of the dust in a house is skin scales from our bodies. This dust is usually gray. Another big source of dust can be duct work contaminated with construction dust, such as sawdust or drywall. JIMMY: I HAVE BLACK MOLD & MILDEW IN MY ATTIC ABOVE MY BATHROOM VENTS HOW CAN I CLEAR THIS UP Jeff May: Jimmy- The moisture from the attic exhaust fan should vent directly to the exterior, either through a soffit grille or roof vent, made for the purpose. ann: what is a HEPA vacuum? Jeff May: Ann - A HEPA vacuum has a very efficient filter on it that prevents the release of allergens contained in the discharge air. Jeff May: Good night everybody. Thank you for your participation and be well. We would also like to thank WHDH for giving us this opportunity to converse with you. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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