Hi, New to the group

[Guest guest]

Hi,

No real ideas with the teeth-brushing, except that we really don't need toothpaste. As long as there is good brushing being done, you are achieving the same goal.

Many want the flouride from the paste, but many do not.

So,,,,,if she'll brush her teeth, whether it's whiile watching tv or whatever, she's getting the "gunk" off.

Good luck!!!

Robin

From: Guidry <guidrykristin@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Re: Hi, New to the group Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 5:28 PM

Thanks, I will certainly check that book out.... Anyone else deal w/ refusal to brush teeth because they can't find a toothpaste flavor that is tollerable? She will not do any of the flavors out there. I am at my witts end. Just telling her to brush her teeth will send her into a tailspin and nothing seems to work. (rewards, timeouts, picking a new toothbrush etc) UGH

From: <b.degraff@...> Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 1:17:55 PMSubject: ( ) Re: Hi, New to the group

Sounds like she has Sensory Processing issues, have you read "the out of synch child" by Carol Kranowitz? It help us understand some of these eating, hearing and smelling sensitivities and it has great ideas to try to help the kids cope.Why do so many doctors sound like that.... your just over protective, there is nothing wrong with their eating habits, they'll grow out of it, blah, blah, blah.....Sandy>> Hi all, I just want to introduce myself. My name is and I have a 6 1/2 > yr old DD () who recently started the process of getting diagnosed w/ PDD. > We do not have an official diagnosis but the more I read about it, the more

> things make sense. Originally I had brought her to the Dr. because of her > extreme refusal to eat most any food (not your typical pickiness) She won't do > anything w/ certain textures, no meat, no vegis or fruit. I had been complaining > about this for years and was told she is picky, starve her and she will eat, you > spoil her and my favorite "only child syndrome" I always sensed there was a > texture issue but no one would listen. Once again I was told that she will > outgrow it but the PA seemed to feel that she had ADHD and wanted me to do the > questionnaires about that. When I returned w/ the questionnaires, we saw the > Pediatrician who suggested that it was not ADHD but actually PDD and sent me > home w/ more questionnaires to fill out. It was amazing how many of the > questions on those forms I could say yes to which scared me. Now the more I am

> researching it, the more things are making sense. Things I have been complaning > about all along. She always had a texture issue w/ foods since baby food. (she > was still eating stage 2 till she was almost 2), She went through a stage of > licking everything in sight (for over a year) Now has moved on to smelling > things) She lines everything up and arranges things by color, size etc. She used > to spend hours in the backyard moving her ride on toys from one side of the > patio to the other and "parking" them in straight lines. She now does it w/ her > bikes and scooters but backs them into spots. She collects everything under the > sun and has an odd attachment to certain things. Pinecones, rocks, receipts, > paint samples are some of her favorites. She will spend hours lining them up and > counting them. I begged them to check her hearing as she will go into panic

> mode w/ to loud of sounds. Even having the TV on to a volume that we can hear > sitting on the couch is often to loud for her. We can forget the surround sound > as that throws her into a complete meltdown. All I was told was that her ears > have just not gotten damage like ours so her hearing is better. UGH!!! I can't > even run the vacuum when she is home because of the meltdowns. If something > changes in her routine or something is not what she expects, She will go into a > full blown panic attack and say she can't breath. She got a tiny piece of hash > brown in her scrambled eggs one time and it threw her for such a loop that she > had a meltdown at the restaurant and then refused to eat eggs for 3 months. She > is also not at all affectionate w/ us. I don't know if she has ever said "I love > You" To either me or my hubby. She does not give kisses although will allow us

> to kiss her most of the time. I recently got her to say "I heart you" which she > says is just like I love you. She never did the wave bye bye as a baby and still > does not say bye to people. She is above grade level in school. She was in an > advanced Kindergarten program last year. They observed the kids and moved those > that they felt were ready to the full day k/1st grade class. She is one of the > top students in her 1st grade class this year. Her Teacher is blown away by some > of the stuff that she comes up w/ on her own. She is already doing basic > multiplication and has figured out problems like 1-13-17= -29 in her head. (she > saw a part number that hubby had written down and thought it was a math > problem). She is also quite high in English and is reading at a mid 3rd grade > level. Her writing is sort of all over the place and she still reverses

some > letters like b/d and she does her 9 and 6 backward. She has made Honor roll for > both for the past 2 trimesters. Her Principal and Vice Principal seem to feel > that she might be genius level. One of my biggest issues is that she seems to do > best at school which really screws w/ the questionnaires when I am saying one > thing and her teachers are saying the opposite. I think because of the high > structure that they just do not see the issues we see. They do not deal w/ the > food issues, they do not observe her in play. I guess there are no loud sounds > that drive her nuts there. Her Dr. referred her to another place that is for > kids w/ disabilities such as this but all I got when I called was " well does > she have an IEP or special ed? No, well then we can't help her" She doesn't have > an IEP because she is doing awesome academically and does not need one.

She may > not have full Autism but that is why there is a spectrum. I am still working on > trying to get this paperwork pushed through w/ them and praying that we get some > answers. Well anyway, thanks for listening if you have gotten this far.>

[Guest guest]

I am glad to see we are not alone.. There are actually a few choices for flavors. Bubblgum (which she hates) Strawberry (which she is petrified of anything containing the word strawberry) watermelon (which worked for a while but not anymore) Berry, mint and fruit. I am almost tempted to go back to the toddler stuff and see if any of those flavors are better. She actually said she would brush if there was a biscuit flavor toothpaste. UGH!!! I just bought her a new power toothbrush that she got to decorate w/ stickers in hopes of getting somewhere. She kept it in for 3 seconds which was a huge improvement UGH!!! I might try to see if there are any other natural ones besides the Tom's of Maine as that is strawberry and she won't do it either UGH! this kid is killing me. I can't believe she does not

have a mouth full of rotted teeth at this point.

From: SoCalVal <socalval@...> Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 11:28:04 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Re: Hi, New to the group

 My son refuses to brush because the feeling of the bristles. An electric toothbrush is even worse! But at least his reaction is 100% giggles not so much anger or anything (he's 7) We are still only at a point of once a day instead of 2x so we ask him to use ACT mouthwash. The mint is too strong *he just rinses with water after so it's a waste and defeats the purpose) and he hates the bubble gum so we're struggling with that right now. Why are there only 2 flavors???

Have you thought of natural toothpaste from health food store? Is there a Whole foods or Henry's near you? I have family in France and when I was little and would visit for the summer I used a toothpaste that was most commonly used there and it tasted like liqorice. I think some of the natural ones they sell here are similar. Would that be something she might like?

( ) Re: Hi, New to the group

Sounds like she has Sensory Processing issues, have you read "the out of synch child" by Carol Kranowitz? It help us understand some of these eating, hearing and smelling sensitivities and it has great ideas to try to help the kids cope.Why do so many doctors sound like that.... your just over protective, there is nothing wrong with their eating habits, they'll grow out of it, blah, blah, blah.....Sandy>> Hi all, I just want to introduce myself. My name is and I have a 6 1/2 > yr old DD () who recently started the process of getting diagnosed w/ PDD. > We do not have an official diagnosis but the more I read about it, the more > things make sense. Originally I had

brought her to the Dr. because of her > extreme refusal to eat most any food (not your typical pickiness) She won't do > anything w/ certain textures, no meat, no vegis or fruit. I had been complaining > about this for years and was told she is picky, starve her and she will eat, you > spoil her and my favorite "only child syndrome" I always sensed there was a > texture issue but no one would listen. Once again I was told that she will > outgrow it but the PA seemed to feel that she had ADHD and wanted me to do the > questionnaires about that. When I returned w/ the questionnaires, we saw the > Pediatrician who suggested that it was not ADHD but actually PDD and sent me > home w/ more questionnaires to fill out. It was amazing how many of the > questions on those forms I could say yes to which scared me. Now the more I am > researching it, the more things are

making sense. Things I have been complaning > about all along. She always had a texture issue w/ foods since baby food. (she > was still eating stage 2 till she was almost 2), She went through a stage of > licking everything in sight (for over a year) Now has moved on to smelling > things) She lines everything up and arranges things by color, size etc. She used > to spend hours in the backyard moving her ride on toys from one side of the > patio to the other and "parking" them in straight lines. She now does it w/ her > bikes and scooters but backs them into spots. She collects everything under the > sun and has an odd attachment to certain things. Pinecones, rocks, receipts, > paint samples are some of her favorites. She will spend hours lining them up and > counting them. I begged them to check her hearing as she will go into panic > mode w/ to loud of sounds. Even

having the TV on to a volume that we can hear > sitting on the couch is often to loud for her. We can forget the surround sound > as that throws her into a complete meltdown. All I was told was that her ears > have just not gotten damage like ours so her hearing is better. UGH!!! I can't > even run the vacuum when she is home because of the meltdowns. If something > changes in her routine or something is not what she expects, She will go into a > full blown panic attack and say she can't breath. She got a tiny piece of hash > brown in her scrambled eggs one time and it threw her for such a loop that she > had a meltdown at the restaurant and then refused to eat eggs for 3 months. She > is also not at all affectionate w/ us. I don't know if she has ever said "I love > You" To either me or my hubby. She does not give kisses although will allow us > to kiss her most of the time. I

recently got her to say "I heart you" which she > says is just like I love you. She never did the wave bye bye as a baby and still > does not say bye to people. She is above grade level in school. She was in an > advanced Kindergarten program last year. They observed the kids and moved those > that they felt were ready to the full day k/1st grade class. She is one of the > top students in her 1st grade class this year. Her Teacher is blown away by some > of the stuff that she comes up w/ on her own. She is already doing basic > multiplication and has figured out problems like 1-13-17= -29 in her head. (she > saw a part number that hubby had written down and thought it was a math > problem). She is also quite high in English and is reading at a mid 3rd grade > level. Her writing is sort of all over the place and she still reverses some > letters like b/d and she

does her 9 and 6 backward. She has made Honor roll for > both for the past 2 trimesters. Her Principal and Vice Principal seem to feel > that she might be genius level. One of my biggest issues is that she seems to do > best at school which really screws w/ the questionnaires when I am saying one > thing and her teachers are saying the opposite. I think because of the high > structure that they just do not see the issues we see. They do not deal w/ the > food issues, they do not observe her in play. I guess there are no loud sounds > that drive her nuts there. Her Dr. referred her to another place that is for > kids w/ disabilities such as this but all I got when I called was " well does > she have an IEP or special ed? No, well then we can't help her" She doesn't have > an IEP because she is doing awesome academically and does not need one. She may > not have full Autism

but that is why there is a spectrum. I am still working on > trying to get this paperwork pushed through w/ them and praying that we get some > answers. Well anyway, thanks for listening if you have gotten this far.>

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[Guest guest]

If you tried brushing teeth without toothpaste, maybe you could get her to use

one of those fluoride rinses to get some of the toothpaste benefits. Our son

still uses the toddler toothpaste, and he will use the one with the Tank

Engine on the box because he loves trains. One time I brought home a different

brand, though, and he started crying the minute he tasted it, so your daughter

is not the only picky one!

Bridget

> > Thanks, I will certainly check that book out.... Anyone else deal w/

> > refusal to brush teeth because they can't find a toothpaste flavor that

> > is tollerable? She will not do any of the flavors out there. I am at my

> > witts end. Just telling her to brush her teeth will send her into a

> > tailspin and nothing seems to work. (rewards, timeouts, picking a new

> > toothbrush etc) UGH

>

[Guest guest]

When my sons (now grown) were young, they didn't like toothpaste either. But

they would dip their brush in a fluoride rinse (bubble gum flavor for them) and

brush with that. Seemed to work well for their dental checkups. Even if she'll

just wet her brush with water, she'll still benefit rather than not brushing at

all.

>

>

> From: Guidry <guidrykristin@...>

> Subject: Re: ( ) Re: Hi, New to the group

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 5:28 PM

>

>

> Thanks, I will certainly check that book out.... Anyone else deal w/ refusal

to brush teeth because they can't find a toothpaste flavor that is tollerable?

She will not do any of the flavors out there. I am at my witts end. Just telling

her to brush her teeth will send her into a tailspin and nothing seems to work.

(rewards, timeouts, picking a new toothbrush etc) UGH

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Did you try baking soda? It has a taste but she might like it. Another idea is to slowly ease her into a taste. Pick one and have her take a tiny dab on her tongue each day. Eventually (hopefully) she would get used to that taste.

Roxanna

May those who love us, love us

And those who don't love us,

May God turn their hearts

And if he can't turn their hearts,

May he turn their ankles

So we will know them by their limping!

( ) Re: Hi, New to the group

Sounds like she has Sensory Processing issues, have you read "the out of synch child" by Carol Kranowitz? It help us understand some of these eating, hearing and smelling sensitivities and it has great ideas to try to help the kids cope.

Why do so many doctors sound like that.... your just over protective, there is nothing wrong with their eating habits, they'll grow out of it, blah, blah, blah.....

Sandy

>

> Hi all, I just want to introduce myself. My name is and I have a 6 1/2

> yr old DD () who recently started the process of getting diagnosed w/ PDD.

> We do not have an official diagnosis but the more I read about it, the more

> things make sense. Originally I had

brought her to the Dr. because of her

> extreme refusal to eat most any food (not your typical pickiness) She won't do

> anything w/ certain textures, no meat, no vegis or fruit. I had been complaining

> about this for years and was told she is picky, starve her and she will eat, you

> spoil her and my favorite "only child syndrome" I always sensed there was a

> texture issue but no one would listen. Once again I was told that she will

> outgrow it but the PA seemed to feel that she had ADHD and wanted me to do the

> questionnaires about that. When I returned w/ the questionnaires, we saw the

> Pediatrician who suggested that it was not ADHD but actually PDD and sent me

> home w/ more questionnaires to fill out. It was amazing how many of the

> questions on those forms I could say yes to which scared me. Now the more I am

> researching it, the more things are

making sense. Things I have been complaning

> about all along. She always had a texture issue w/ foods since baby food. (she

> was still eating stage 2 till she was almost 2), She went through a stage of

> licking everything in sight (for over a year) Now has moved on to smelling

> things) She lines everything up and arranges things by color, size etc. She used

> to spend hours in the backyard moving her ride on toys from one side of the

> patio to the other and "parking" them in straight lines. She now does it w/ her

> bikes and scooters but backs them into spots. She collects everything under the

> sun and has an odd attachment to certain things. Pinecones, rocks, receipts,

> paint samples are some of her favorites. She will spend hours lining them up and

> counting them. I begged them to check her hearing as she will go into panic

> mode w/ to loud of sounds. Even

having the TV on to a volume that we can hear

> sitting on the couch is often to loud for her. We can forget the surround sound

> as that throws her into a complete meltdown. All I was told was that her ears

> have just not gotten damage like ours so her hearing is better. UGH!!! I can't

> even run the vacuum when she is home because of the meltdowns. If something

> changes in her routine or something is not what she expects, She will go into a

> full blown panic attack and say she can't breath. She got a tiny piece of hash

> brown in her scrambled eggs one time and it threw her for such a loop that she

> had a meltdown at the restaurant and then refused to eat eggs for 3 months. She

> is also not at all affectionate w/ us. I don't know if she has ever said "I love

> You" To either me or my hubby. She does not give kisses although will allow us

> to kiss her most of the time. I

recently got her to say "I heart you" which she

> says is just like I love you. She never did the wave bye bye as a baby and still

> does not say bye to people. She is above grade level in school. She was in an

> advanced Kindergarten program last year. They observed the kids and moved those

> that they felt were ready to the full day k/1st grade class. She is one of the

> top students in her 1st grade class this year. Her Teacher is blown away by some

> of the stuff that she comes up w/ on her own. She is already doing basic

> multiplication and has figured out problems like 1-13-17= -29 in her head. (she

> saw a part number that hubby had written down and thought it was a math

> problem). She is also quite high in English and is reading at a mid 3rd grade

> level. Her writing is sort of all over the place and she still reverses some

> letters like b/d and she

does her 9 and 6 backward. She has made Honor roll for

> both for the past 2 trimesters. Her Principal and Vice Principal seem to feel

> that she might be genius level. One of my biggest issues is that she seems to do

> best at school which really screws w/ the questionnaires when I am saying one

> thing and her teachers are saying the opposite. I think because of the high

> structure that they just do not see the issues we see. They do not deal w/ the

> food issues, they do not observe her in play. I guess there are no loud sounds

> that drive her nuts there. Her Dr. referred her to another place that is for

> kids w/ disabilities such as this but all I got when I called was " well does

> she have an IEP or special ed? No, well then we can't help her" She doesn't have

> an IEP because she is doing awesome academically and does not need one. She may

> not have full Autism

but that is why there is a spectrum. I am still working on

> trying to get this paperwork pushed through w/ them and praying that we get some

> answers. Well anyway, thanks for listening if you have gotten this far.

>

[Guest guest]

Tom's of Maine also has orange-mango, which is all my son will use.

> >>

> >> Hi all, I just want to introduce myself. My name is and I have a 6

1/2

> >

> >> yr old DD () who recently started the process of getting diagnosed w/

PDD.

> >>

> >> We do not have an official diagnosis but the more I read about it, the more

> >> things make sense. Originally I had brought her to the Dr. because of her

> >> extreme refusal to eat most any food (not your typical pickiness) She won't

do

> >

> >> anything w/ certain textures, no meat, no vegis or fruit. I had been

> >>complaining

> >>

> >> about this for years and was told she is picky, starve her and she will

eat,

> >>you

> >>

> >> spoil her and my favorite " only child syndrome " I always sensed there was a

> >> texture issue but no one would listen. Once again I was told that she will

> >> outgrow it but the PA seemed to feel that she had ADHD and wanted me to

do the

> >

> >> questionnaires about that. When I returned w/ the questionnaires, we

saw the

> >> Pediatrician who suggested that it was not ADHD but actually PDD and sent

me

> >> home w/ more questionnaires to fill out. It was amazing how many of the

> >> questions on those forms I could say yes to which scared me. Now the more I

am

> >

> >> researching it, the more things are making sense. Things I have been

complaning

> >>

> >> about all along. She always had a texture issue w/ foods since baby food.

(she

> >

> >> was still eating stage 2 till she was almost 2), She went through a stage

of

> >> licking everything in sight (for over a year) Now has moved on to smelling

> >> things) She lines everything up and arranges things by color, size etc. She

> >>used

> >>

> >> to spend hours in the backyard moving her ride on toys from one side of the

> >> patio to the other and " parking " them in straight lines. She now does it w/

her

> >>

> >> bikes and scooters but backs them into spots. She collects everything under

the

> >>

> >> sun and has an odd attachment to certain things. Pinecones, rocks,

receipts,

> >> paint samples are some of her favorites. She will spend hours lining them

up

> >>and

> >>

> >> counting them.  I begged them to check her hearing as she will go into

panic

> >> mode w/ to loud of sounds. Even having the TV on to a volume that we can

hear

>

> >> sitting on the couch is often to loud for her. We can forget the surround

sound

> >>

> >> as that throws her into a complete meltdown. All I was told was that her

ears

>

> >> have just not gotten damage like ours so her hearing is better. UGH!!! I

can't

> >

> >> even run the vacuum when she is home because of the meltdowns. If something

> >> changes in her routine or something is not what she expects, She will go

into a

> >>

> >> full blown panic attack and say she can't breath. She got a tiny piece of

hash

> >

> >> brown in her scrambled eggs one time and it threw her for such a loop that

she

> >

> >> had a meltdown at the restaurant and then refused to eat eggs for 3 months.

She

> >>

> >> is also not at all affectionate w/ us. I don't know if she has ever said " I

> >>love

> >>

> >> You " To either me or my hubby. She does not give kisses although will allow

us

> >

> >> to kiss her most of the time. I recently got her to say " I heart you " which

she

> >>

> >> says is just like I love you. She never did the wave bye bye as a baby and

> >>still

> >>

> >> does not say bye to people. She is above grade level in school. She was in

an

>

> >> advanced Kindergarten program last year. They observed the kids and moved

those

> >>

> >> that they felt were ready to the full day k/1st grade class. She is one of

the

> >

> >> top students in her 1st grade class this year. Her Teacher is blown away

by

> >>some

> >>

> >> of the stuff that she comes up w/ on her own. She is already doing basic

> >> multiplication and has figured out problems like 1-13-17= -29 in her head.

(she

> >>

> >> saw a part number that hubby had written down and thought it was a math

> >> problem). She is also quite high in English and is reading at a mid 3rd

grade

>

> >> level. Her writing is sort of all over the place and she still reverses

some

> >> letters like b/d and she does her 9 and 6 backward. She has made Honor roll

for

> >>

> >> both for the past 2 trimesters. Her Principal and Vice Principal seem to

feel

>

> >> that she might be genius level. One of my biggest issues is that she seems

to

> >>do

> >>

> >> best at school which really screws w/ the questionnaires when I am saying

one

>

> >> thing and her teachers are saying the opposite. I think because of the high

> >> structure that they just do not see the issues we see. They do not deal w/

the

> >

> >> food issues, they do not observe her in play. I guess there are no loud

sounds

> >

> >> that drive her nuts there. Her Dr. referred her to another place that is

for

> >> kids w/ disabilities such as this but all I got when I called was " well

does

>

> >> she have an IEP or special ed? No, well then we can't help her " She doesn't

> >>have

> >>

> >> an IEP because she is doing awesome academically and does not need one. She

may

> >>

> >> not have full Autism but that is why there is a spectrum. I am still

working on

> >>

> >> trying to get this paperwork pushed through w/ them and praying that we get

> >>some

> >>

> >> answers. Well anyway, thanks for listening if you have gotten this far.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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