Re: Has anyone had success with getting support for twice exceptional kids?

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my daughter is in both the gifted class and the resource class at school with an iep and support.  however we fought it for years and only started to get support with the autism diagnosis (she is hfa b/c of speech delay as a preschooler so not aspie) and then got even furthur when her behavior went down and she wasnt finishing work (b/c of refusal or not wanting to write not b/c of ability).  prior to that she had honor roll grades

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:07 AM, bucaroobonzai2003 <bucaroobonzai2003@...> wrote:

 

For example, a child who is gifted with Asperger's and is able to pass classes at their grade level. I know the federal law isn't much in our favor, and things get a lot worse with grade inflation. Honestly, if I had it to do over again, I would have had his academic level tested privately at the start (and end) of each school year. That way I show how much progress was actually made, and I can determine areas where he really isn't at grade level (handwriting/writing) .

Personally, I think it is often a form a child abuse to have a child with Asperger's in a classroom without providing support (OT for sensory issues, behavior mod, social skills support). How are they going to make progress on their issues if they receive no support for the bulk of their day? Before I pulled my son to homeschool, his behavior was regressing because they were in effect rewarding him for responding poorly, and his handwriting/writing was starting to become a big problem. Also, he wasn't being stimulated mentally because he had been so advanced academically.

I think I have a good case against them for their failure to make accommodations for his handicaps (he has a vision disorder as well) with gifted testing, but with special education, they seemed to have followed the rules; even though, they weren't teaching him anything or providing any support, and his behavior was regressing.

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-- -mommy to Emma, Becca, , , , and Leah

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Hi! My son works at his grade level in most subjects (some he could work above grade level, I think). When they tested his IQ for Special Ed it was around 120. He does get support services at school (OT, Speech, One on one para, lots of sensory breaks that I insist upon, etc.). But, a lot of what they are doing right now is because his behavior regressed so much last year (when there was a teacher that insisted that my son didn't have sensory issues and he had paras who were combative) that he lashed out at some paras physically (giving one of them a bloody nose). There was a whole other thing that ensued after that (see my other post "Rages-New Here-Long"). We are still battling the school. But, they know that I mean business because I got an advocate who came to meetings with us and I called an attorney that specializes in this sort of thing. If you ever decide to send your child back to school I suggest getting an advocate who can help you. Ours gives us lots of suggestions and knows the laws.

Beth

( ) Has anyone had success with getting support for twice exceptional kids?

For example, a child who is gifted with Asperger's and is able to pass classes at their grade level. I know the federal law isn't much in our favor, and things get a lot worse with grade inflation. Honestly, if I had it to do over again, I would have had his academic level tested privately at the start (and end) of each school year. That way I show how much progress was actually made, and I can determine areas where he really isn't at grade level (handwriting/writing) .Personally, I think it is often a form a child abuse to have a child with Asperger's in a classroom without providing support (OT for sensory issues, behavior mod, social skills support). How are they going to make progress on their issues if they receive no support for the bulk of their day? Before I pulled my son to homeschool, his behavior was regressing because they were in effect rewarding him for responding poorly, and his handwriting/writing was starting to become a big problem. Also, he wasn't being stimulated mentally because he had been so advanced academically.I think I have a good case against them for their failure to make accommodations for his handicaps (he has a vision disorder as well) with gifted testing, but with special education, they seemed to have followed the rules; even though, they weren't teaching him anything or providing any support, and his behavior was regressing.-

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, I so agree with you. My son is gifted but has Aspergers and capd. His school would not accomodate him even with an advocate. He got to a point of taking his shoes off in class and tearing his toenails off. I had to quit to homeschool him. I'm still so angry. What happened to no child left behind. They are literally punished for being bright and for having disabilities. It's truly discrimination. shirley

From: Beth & Dave Schmidt <bethndave@...> Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 5:49:56 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Has anyone had success with getting support for twice exceptional kids?

Hi! My son works at his grade level in most subjects (some he could work above grade level, I think). When they tested his IQ for Special Ed it was around 120. He does get support services at school (OT, Speech, One on one para, lots of sensory breaks that I insist upon, etc.). But, a lot of what they are doing right now is because his behavior regressed so much last year (when there was a teacher that insisted that my son didn't have sensory issues and he had paras who were combative) that he lashed out at some paras physically (giving one of them a bloody nose). There was a whole other thing that ensued after that (see my other post "Rages-New Here-Long"). We are still battling the school. But, they know that I mean business because I got an advocate who came to meetings with us and I called an attorney that specializes in this sort of thing. If you ever

decide to send your child back to school I suggest getting an advocate who can help you. Ours gives us lots of suggestions and knows the laws.

Beth

( ) Has anyone had success with getting support for twice exceptional kids?

For example, a child who is gifted with Asperger's and is able to pass classes at their grade level. I know the federal law isn't much in our favor, and things get a lot worse with grade inflation. Honestly, if I had it to do over again, I would have had his academic level tested privately at the start (and end) of each school year. That way I show how much progress was actually made, and I can determine areas where he really isn't at grade level (handwriting/writing) .Personally, I think it is often a form a child abuse to have a child with Asperger's in a classroom without providing support (OT for sensory issues, behavior mod, social skills support). How are they going to make progress on their issues if they receive no support for the bulk of their day? Before I pulled my son to homeschool, his behavior was regressing because they were in effect rewarding him for responding poorly, and his handwriting/writing was starting to become a big

problem. Also, he wasn't being stimulated mentally because he had been so advanced academically.I think I have a good case against them for their failure to make accommodations for his handicaps (he has a vision disorder as well) with gifted testing, but with special education, they seemed to have followed the rules; even though, they weren't teaching him anything or providing any support, and his behavior was regressing.-

[Guest guest]

hi i think kids with as should go to school that specialize in special needs my jd go to special school it helps alot less stress for them

From: Shirley <shirleycarter80@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Has anyone had success with getting support for twice exceptional kids? Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 10:34 PM

, I so agree with you. My son is gifted but has Aspergers and capd. His school would not accomodate him even with an advocate. He got to a point of taking his shoes off in class and tearing his toenails off. I had to quit to homeschool him. I'm still so angry. What happened to no child left behind. They are literally punished for being bright and for having disabilities. It's truly discrimination. shirley

From: Beth & Dave Schmidt <bethndave@...> Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 5:49:56 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Has anyone had success with getting support for twice exceptional kids?

Hi! My son works at his grade level in most subjects (some he could work above grade level, I think). When they tested his IQ for Special Ed it was around 120. He does get support services at school (OT, Speech, One on one para, lots of sensory breaks that I insist upon, etc.). But, a lot of what they are doing right now is because his behavior regressed so much last year (when there was a teacher that insisted that my son didn't have sensory issues and he had paras who were combative) that he lashed out at some paras physically (giving one of them a bloody nose). There was a whole other thing that ensued after that (see my other post "Rages-New Here-Long"). We are still battling the school. But, they know that I mean business because I got an advocate who came to meetings with us and I called an attorney that specializes in this sort of thing. If you ever

decide to send your child back to school I suggest getting an advocate who can help you. Ours gives us lots of suggestions and knows the laws.

Beth

( ) Has anyone had success with getting support for twice exceptional kids?

For example, a child who is gifted with Asperger's and is able to pass classes at their grade level. I know the federal law isn't much in our favor, and things get a lot worse with grade inflation. Honestly, if I had it to do over again, I would have had his academic level tested privately at the start (and end) of each school year. That way I show how much progress was actually made, and I can determine areas where he really isn't at grade level (handwriting/writing) .Personally, I think it is often a form a child abuse to have a child with Asperger's in a classroom without providing support (OT for sensory issues, behavior mod, social skills support). How are they going to make progress on their issues if they receive no support for the bulk of their day? Before I pulled my son to homeschool, his behavior was regressing because they were in effect rewarding him for responding poorly, and his handwriting/writing was starting to become a big

problem. Also, he wasn't being stimulated mentally because he had been so advanced academically.I think I have a good case against them for their failure to make accommodations for his handicaps (he has a vision disorder as well) with gifted testing, but with special education, they seemed to have followed the rules; even though, they weren't teaching him anything or providing any support, and his behavior was regressing.-

[Guest guest]

My attempts to get help for our 2e ds had some success and then some failure as well. It is really difficult. I think this is one of the least supported areas of special education. My ds always scored extremely high on IQ testing from the start but the school never bothered to bring in the gifted people to support that part of his education. It was as if the gifted people did not mix with the sped people. No, they actually did not mix as I later found out, trying to speak to them in the same room. lol. I have many stories about meeting with so called "gifted" people at the school and leaving wondering how they got their jobs because they were so incredibly ignorant about test scores, learning disabilities and the law.

However, having said that - there are rules for kids with LD's within the law. For instance, they cannot deny sped services based only on grades. The law states that they have to use a variety of information in making a decision for eligibility. So just saying, "He's got an IQ of 130" is not enough. I would argue that grades are so teacher subjective and use the test scores from other testing to bolster the argument. There is also something called Letter to Lillie/Felton --> http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/elig.sld.osep.felton.htm

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) Has anyone had success with getting support for twice exceptional kids?

For example, a child who is gifted with Asperger's and is able to pass classes at their grade level. I know the federal law isn't much in our favor, and things get a lot worse with grade inflation. Honestly, if I had it to do over again, I would have had his academic level tested privately at the start (and end) of each school year. That way I show how much progress was actually made, and I can determine areas where he really isn't at grade level (handwriting/writing) .

Personally, I think it is often a form a child abuse to have a child with Asperger's in a classroom without providing support (OT for sensory issues, behavior mod, social skills support). How are they going to make progress on their issues if they receive no support for the bulk of their day? Before I pulled my son to homeschool, his behavior was regressing because they were in effect rewarding him for responding poorly, and his handwriting/writing was starting to become a big problem. Also, he wasn't being stimulated mentally because he had been so advanced academically.

I think I have a good case against them for their failure to make accommodations for his handicaps (he has a vision disorder as well) with gifted testing, but with special education, they seemed to have followed the rules; even though, they weren't teaching him anything or providing any support, and his behavior was regressing.

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[Guest guest]

How does your state define disability? In MA there is a social/emotional section

on the IEP. I'd recommend checking with your states DOE or if you have one the

state Spec Ed support group.

http://www.concordspedpac.org/WhatIEP.htm

You should also check out wright's law site. They may have something to back up

your case. A good SpEd lawyer would be able to advise you.

http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/autism.index.htm

I've been in your shoes. We actually moved to get my son out of a school

district that wanted to put him in a life skills class because they declared him

" unteachable " in 1st grade. We moved during the middle of that school yr to a

new school district which had better spec ed policies and services. My son is

now in 10th grade, attends regular classes with support and makes high honors in

a very competetive school.

My son has been on an IEP since preschool because he had childhood apraxia of

speech as a toddler. It was only after his apraxia become resolved that other

issues began to surface. So we always had access to services but it was just a

question of what services would best help my son be successful in school. And a

life skills class wasn't one of them!

Caroline