Re: Restraining Disabled Children

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OMG!!!

I think I would go ballistic. Nicely, but still ballistic. One of the parents in our neighborhood filed assault charges against a school when her child had a fingerprint bruise from a restraint. District Attorney's office.....

( ) Restraining Disabled Children

I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so I'll ask.My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource officer. While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was necessary to take my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the floor hard enough to get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his eyebrow and his eye (basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the room, the first thing my son told me was that his "eyebrow was hurt when Deputy X put him on the ground". Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when I got there, even though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that time? The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone. They said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type of attempt against anyone.Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to be restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a little over the top? When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me repeatedly that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over about his eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, "Have you seen his eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his eye?" The SRO said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's face. Then the SRO started telling me "Well, I didn't think he hit his head on the floor." Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt, they didn't look at him to see.I've contacted the advocate we've started using here in this area, and she's made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It seems to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of restraint with diabled kids.Thanks for letting me rant a little.Angi Clifton

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I don't know what the laws are for this, however, what you are describing is completely out of line as far as I am concerned. My daughter is young and easily held, however I have found that if I tell her to go for a time out in her tent (which she can close and be in quiet solitude) that she is likely to do this for me and not cause any problems. If your son was not threatening anyone, the SRO had no right to handcuff him.....

JMHO,

Carolyn

From: angela <angi_400@...> Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 6:43:26 PMSubject: ( ) Restraining Disabled Children

I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so I'll ask.My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource officer. While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was necessary to take my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the floor hard enough to get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his eyebrow and his eye (basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the room, the first thing my son told me was that his "eyebrow was hurt when Deputy X put him on the ground". Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when I got there, even though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that time? The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone. They said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type of attempt

against anyone.Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to be restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a little over the top? When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me repeatedly that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over about his eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, "Have you seen his eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his eye?" The SRO said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's face. Then the SRO started telling me "Well, I didn't think he hit his head on the floor." Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt, they didn't look at him to see.I've contacted the advocate we've

started using here in this area, and she's made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It seems to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of restraint with diabled kids.Thanks for letting me rant a little.Angi Clifton

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I would take pics and take him to the hospital, you need to have documentation that he was hurt. Document everything..

I would also tell the VP you need a written report of what transpired.

In a message dated 12/16/2010 10:26:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dlbalke@... writes:

OMG!!!

I think I would go ballistic. Nicely, but still ballistic. One of the parents in our neighborhood filed assault charges against a school when her child had a fingerprint bruise from a restraint. District Attorney's office.....

( ) Restraining Disabled Children

I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so I'll ask.My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource officer. While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was necessary to take my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the floor hard enough to get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his eyebrow and his eye (basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the room, the first thing my son told me was that his "eyebrow was hurt when Deputy X put him on the ground". Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when I got there, even though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that time? The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone. They said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type of attempt against anyone.Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to be restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a little over the top? When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me repeatedly that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over about his eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, "Have you seen his eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his eye?" The SRO said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's face. Then the SRO started telling me "Well, I didn't think he hit his head on the floor." Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt, they didn't look at him to see.I've contacted the advocate we've started using here in this area, and she's made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It seems to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of restraint with diabled kids.Thanks for letting me rant a little.Angi Clifton

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THis is absolutely awful, and I, too, am outraged!! I'm trying to think of

resources, but YES, this is over the top and completely unnecessary.

Leah

>

> OMG!!!

> I think I would go ballistic. Nicely, but still ballistic. One of the

parents in our neighborhood filed assault charges against a school when her

child had a fingerprint bruise from a restraint. District Attorney's

office.....

> ( ) Restraining Disabled Children

>

>

>

> I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so

I'll ask.

>

> My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource

officer. While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was necessary

to take my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the floor hard

enough to get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his eyebrow and his

eye (basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the room, the first

thing my son told me was that his " eyebrow was hurt when Deputy X put him on the

ground " . Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when I got there, even

though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that time?

>

> The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I

arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone. They

said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type of

attempt against anyone.

>

> Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to

be restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a

little over the top?

>

> When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what

happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the

swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me repeatedly

that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over about his

eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, " Have you seen his

eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his eye? " The SRO

said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's face. Then the SRO

started telling me " Well, I didn't think he hit his head on the floor. "

Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt, they didn't

look at him to see.

>

> I've contacted the advocate we've started using here in this area, and she's

made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It seems

to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's

special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of

restraint with diabled kids.

>

> Thanks for letting me rant a little.

>

> Angi Clifton

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Angie,

Yes, this is out of line. I believe there is Federal Statute regarding the use

of restraint. This is an example of inappropriate restraint and excessive force,

and it needs to stop!

I know nothing about Lousiana law, but I am familiar with subatantive law in the

arena of school and disability on the federal level and in Minnesota. I cannot

give legal advice; however, I would suggest that if your advocate is not an

attorney, you seek input from an attorney. Maybe this kind of thing " flies " in

the south but it would not in Minnesota. Good luck, and I hope your son is OK.

Drew

>

> I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so

I'll ask.

>

> My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource officer.

While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was necessary to take

my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the floor hard enough to

get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his eyebrow and his eye

(basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the room, the first

thing my son told me was that his " eyebrow was hurt when Deputy X put him on the

ground " . Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when I got there, even

though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that time?

>

> The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I

arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone.

They said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type

of attempt against anyone.

>

> Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to be

restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a little

over the top?

>

> When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what

happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the

swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me

repeatedly that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over

about his eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, " Have you

seen his eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his

eye? " The SRO said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's

face. Then the SRO started telling me " Well, I didn't think he hit his head on

the floor. " Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt,

they didn't look at him to see.

>

> I've contacted the advocate we've started using here in this area, and she's

made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It

seems to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's

special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of

restraint with diabled kids.

>

> Thanks for letting me rant a little.

>

> Angi Clifton

>

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Oh ,

I have nothing to say to help, except hugs are coming your way.You sound very knowledgable and I'm very glad to hear that you called your advocate.

Again, hugs to you.

Robin

PEOPLE MAY NOT REMEMBER EXACTLY

WHAT YOU DID OR WHAT YOU SAID,

BUT THEY WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER

HOW YOU MADE THEM FEEL

From: angela <angi_400@...>Subject: ( ) Restraining Disabled Children Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 6:43 PM

I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so I'll ask.My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource officer. While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was necessary to take my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the floor hard enough to get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his eyebrow and his eye (basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the room, the first thing my son told me was that his "eyebrow was hurt when Deputy X put him on the ground". Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when I got there, even though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that time? The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone. They said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type of attempt

against anyone.Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to be restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a little over the top? When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me repeatedly that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over about his eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, "Have you seen his eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his eye?" The SRO said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's face. Then the SRO started telling me "Well, I didn't think he hit his head on the floor." Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt, they didn't look at him to see.I've contacted the advocate we've

started using here in this area, and she's made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It seems to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of restraint with diabled kids.Thanks for letting me rant a little.Angi Clifton

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We went through something similar last summer when was going for day camp.

It was provided as ESY services for social skills. There was a new special

educator at camp. He seems to be big on restraining kids. had some

pressure marks on his arms from being restrained. I think this was happening

nearly every day and I think they were doing it when was upset but not

actually harming anyone. I didn't really put all the pieces together at the

time but I knew was having a bad time and being restrained. It wasn't

making any sense to me. had a 1:1 support guy who was trying to physically

move away from difficult situations. Apparently this guy had used it with

the summer before. was about 90lbs then but this past summer he was

nearly 120lbs. He has grown so much! So physically moving him, though not

appropriate even when it was working, was impossible since the many recent

growth spurts.

The worst thing about it was that he would be upset all day after being

restrained and at one point threatened his sister with a knife from our butcher

block. He had never done this before. He hasn't done it since. knows

where the knives are but now I keep them in a cabinet so they're not as easy to

access on an impulse. rarely gets upset at home but over the summer he was

upset ALL the time. It was frightening. I wish I'd just taken him out of camp

once he started having trouble but I just couldn't figure it all out at the

time.

Miriam

>

> I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so

I'll ask.

>

> My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource officer.

While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was necessary to take

my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the floor hard enough to

get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his eyebrow and his eye

(basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the room, the first

thing my son told me was that his " eyebrow was hurt when Deputy X put him on the

ground " . Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when I got there, even

though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that time?

>

> The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I

arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone.

They said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type

of attempt against anyone.

>

> Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to be

restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a little

over the top?

>

> When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what

happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the

swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me

repeatedly that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over

about his eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, " Have you

seen his eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his

eye? " The SRO said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's

face. Then the SRO started telling me " Well, I didn't think he hit his head on

the floor. " Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt,

they didn't look at him to see.

>

> I've contacted the advocate we've started using here in this area, and she's

made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It

seems to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's

special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of

restraint with diabled kids.

>

> Thanks for letting me rant a little.

>

> Angi Clifton

>

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Just wanted to give you all an update on what I have found out about the school

handcuffing my son yesterday. After speaking to our advocate yesterday, she

called the district special ed offices and they are investigating the situation.

The bottom line is that they didn't implement his Behavior Plan to address the

issue. Once he refused to walk unassisted to the " time-out " room (a low sensory

room set up for this type of issue), they decided they were going to " walk " him

to the office. The aide had one arm and the deputy had the other. When my son

tried to stop walking and sit down on the floor, the deputy then took him to the

floor and handcuffed him.

Also, my son has told me tonight that his primary aide (not the one that was

with him yesterday during the incident) told him this morning that the school

knew he had hurt his face but that I didn't say anything about it before I left

the school. I don't know how much stock I'm putting in my son's statement since

he does get things confused, but that will be one thing I talk to the advocate

about in the morning. My son also told me that there are video cameras in the

hallways of the school, so I'm going to ask about that as well.

The advocate told me this morning that the district hoped to have all the

interviews done today, and we are going to meet to discuss the findings. We may

not be able to meet until school goes back in January since there are only 3

days left of school though.

I'll let you all know what I find out from these folks. Thanks so much for the

advice and support!

Angi

> >

> > I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so

I'll ask.

> >

> > My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource

officer. While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was

necessary to take my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the

floor hard enough to get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his

eyebrow and his eye (basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the

room, the first thing my son told me was that his " eyebrow was hurt when Deputy

X put him on the ground " . Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when

I got there, even though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that

time?

> >

> > The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I

arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone.

They said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type

of attempt against anyone.

> >

> > Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to

be restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a

little over the top?

> >

> > When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what

happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the

swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me

repeatedly that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over

about his eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, " Have you

seen his eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his

eye? " The SRO said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's

face. Then the SRO started telling me " Well, I didn't think he hit his head on

the floor. " Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt,

they didn't look at him to see.

> >

> > I've contacted the advocate we've started using here in this area, and she's

made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It

seems to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's

special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of

restraint with diabled kids.

> >

> > Thanks for letting me rant a little.

> >

> > Angi Clifton

> >

>

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This is outragious Angi, totally out of line for the school to do this. You should call CPS and file a complaint. I think I would have probably have gone off on somebody if that was my son.

In my state they have a non-profit agency that helps with cases like this called Disability Law and Advocacy Center. This years focus is for them is restraint and isolation. You should check out www.yellowpagesforkids.com and see if they have something like that in your area and call them.

Also, contact an advocate at:

The Arc of LouisianaP.O. Box 65129Baton Rouge, LA 70896-5129(225) 383-1033

You can also call your states Department of Ed at:

State Department of Education: Special Education Division of Special PopulationsLouisiana State Department of EducationP.O. Box 94064Baton Rouge, LA 70804-9064 (225) 342-3633 Web: http://www.doe.state.la.us/

What they are doing to your son is awful and they shouldn't be able to get away with it. If you haven't already, you should take pictures of your son's injury and document exactly what happened and what was said.

Good luck and keep us posted!

ne

From: angela <angi_400@...>Subject: ( ) Restraining Disabled Children Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 7:43 PM

I know this has been a topic before, but I can't find it in the threads, so I'll ask.My 12 yo ds was put in handcuffs this morning by the school resource officer. While the SRO was putting the handcuffs on, apparently it was necessary to take my son to the ground. He ended up hitting his head on the floor hard enough to get hurt. He has a golf-ball sized lump on between his eyebrow and his eye (basically most of the upper eye-lid). When I walked in the room, the first thing my son told me was that his "eyebrow was hurt when Deputy X put him on the ground". Did I mention that my son was still in handcuff when I got there, even though it was obvious that he was no danger to anyone at that time? The deputy and the vice principal were both in the room with my son when I arrived, and neither one said that my son had become agressive with anyone. They said he was upset and made some comments but never actually made any type of attempt

against anyone.Don't get me wrong, please. I know that there are times when my son has to be restrained for his own safety and that of others, but aren't handcuffs a little over the top? When I first walked into the room, I stopped at the door to listen to what happened from the SRO and v.p. When I walked across the room, I noticed the swelling above my son's eye before I even got to him. The SRO told me repeatedly that my son didn't hit his head (my son was telling me over and over about his eyebrow). When I got to my son, I turned and asked the SRO, "Have you seen his eye? If he didn't hit his head on the floor, what happened to his eye?" The SRO said he didn't know. I asked him to come and look at my son's face. Then the SRO started telling me "Well, I didn't think he hit his head on the floor." Apparently even though my son was telling them that he was hurt, they didn't look at him to see.I've contacted the advocate we've

started using here in this area, and she's made some calls already, but I'm just wondering if this is out of line. It seems to be over the top to me, but I'm still getting familiar with Louisiana's special education laws, and can't find anything yet about SRO's and this type of restraint with diabled kids.Thanks for letting me rant a little.Angi Clifton

[Guest guest]

Another avenue for reporting is the Office of Civil rights.  They protect disabled people (including children) from having their rights violated. (rights to equal access, to an education, etc)  They do have a website and you can file complaints through an online form.

Kathy J.On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:48 PM, susanne hansen <s_hansen34@...> wrote:

 

This is outragious Angi, totally out of line for the school to do this. You should call CPS and file a complaint. I think I would have probably have gone off on somebody if that was my son.

In my state they have a non-profit agency that helps with cases like this called Disability Law and Advocacy Center. This years focus is for them is restraint and isolation. You should check out www.yellowpagesforkids.com and see if they have something like that in your area and call them.

Also, contact an advocate at:

The Arc of LouisianaP.O. Box 65129Baton Rouge, LA 70896-5129(225) 383-1033

 

You can also call your states Department of Ed at:

State Department of Education: Special Education Division of Special PopulationsLouisiana State Department of EducationP.O. Box 94064Baton Rouge, LA 70804-9064 (225) 342-3633

Web: http://www.doe.state.la.us/

 

What they are doing to your son is awful and they shouldn't be able to get away with it. If you haven't already, you should take pictures of your son's injury and document exactly what happened and what was said.

 

Good luck and keep us posted!