Re: Nature Vs. Nurture

[Guest guest]

I read somewhere once several years ago, that if you see Asperger's on one

generation, you can go back and see depression, bipolar, or autism. Many people

in older generations just weren't diagnosed. It all connects on a spectrum,

though.

>

> Ok, so there has been no verified link with Asperger's and DNA. However, it

> seems like this is the case in my family. My dad is diagnosed, as is my son.

> My son's therapist suspects I am also an Aspie. My personal diagnosis, if I

get

> it, will have to wait for awhile because I don't have insurance or the cash up

> front for the procedure. I know that I have been diagnosed with depression,

> general anxiety disorder, and migraines. Everyone also believes that I am

> borderline OCD.

>

> After telling my mom about the suspicions, she tells me that she knows I've

been

> different for years. I know I've always been socially awkward, but I

attributed

> it to moving almost every year in my childhood. I've always been rather

> impulsive and not good with money. I also have the emotional capability most

of

> the time of someone well under half my age. Yesterday was really the big flag

> for me. I don't know what happened, but I got really giddy when my mom bought

> me a Tinkerbell doll (Fawn - gotta have all those!). Once I had the doll in

my

> hands, I had to put the top of the package in my mouth almost continually.

>

> Mom also told me that my paternal great grandfather would probably also have

> been an Aspie. My paternal grandfather died when my dad was 9, so we'll never

> know about any of those people.

>

> My younger son shows almost no symptoms of having AS.

>

> My thoughts are all so jumbled. There's so much history on my dad's side of

the

> family. Older son is supposed to be sterile, younger son supposed to have 2

> boys. My dad broke that mold. He was the only son - and has only me. I have

> two boys.

>

> Is AS genetically linked in my family?

>

> Fawn

>

[Guest guest]

Some AS and autism is caused by medical issues, such as fragile X,

turner syndrome, ver-cardio syndrome etc.

Then there is temperment and character traits that are often

common in families. AS traits are low novelty seeking,

high harm avoidance, and low reward dependence (seeking approval of others).

Also low cooperation and if the person is not able to

work or function as an adult low self direction (personal goals).

I can see how families with similar traits would reinforce

behaviors. This would be the nurture part.

Pam

>

> Ok, so there has been no verified link with Asperger's and DNA. However, it

> seems like this is the case in my family. My dad is diagnosed, as is my son.

> My son's therapist suspects I am also an Aspie. My personal diagnosis, if I

get

> it, will have to wait for awhile because I don't have insurance or the cash up

> front for the procedure. I know that I have been diagnosed with depression,

> general anxiety disorder, and migraines. Everyone also believes that I am

> borderline OCD.

>

> After telling my mom about the suspicions, she tells me that she knows I've

been

> different for years. I know I've always been socially awkward, but I

attributed

> it to moving almost every year in my childhood. I've always been rather

> impulsive and not good with money. I also have the emotional capability most

of

> the time of someone well under half my age. Yesterday was really the big flag

> for me. I don't know what happened, but I got really giddy when my mom bought

> me a Tinkerbell doll (Fawn - gotta have all those!). Once I had the doll in

my

> hands, I had to put the top of the package in my mouth almost continually.

>

> Mom also told me that my paternal great grandfather would probably also have

> been an Aspie. My paternal grandfather died when my dad was 9, so we'll never

> know about any of those people.

>

> My younger son shows almost no symptoms of having AS.

>

> My thoughts are all so jumbled. There's so much history on my dad's side of

the

> family. Older son is supposed to be sterile, younger son supposed to have 2

> boys. My dad broke that mold. He was the only son - and has only me. I have

> two boys.

>

> Is AS genetically linked in my family?

>

> Fawn

>

[Guest guest]

Fawn,

Personally....I think it's definitely hereditary.

Crap....any mental illness is. Most medical "issues' are, right? I think if diabetes, breast cancer, etc.

Why not AS or any "spectrum" disorder.

Show me a kid (or adult) with AS or a Spectrum diagnoses and I bet there are a bunch more.

Like you did, you talked with your mom and you both "see" AS in older family members. Here, too.

Obviously, they were never dx'd, but they sure had it!!!

Robin

"I'm singing....

I'm in a store and I'm singing..........

I'm in a store....

and I'm singing..............."

From: Fawn Kazmierczak <lostfranklingirl@...>Subject: ( ) Nature Vs. Nurture Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:56 PM

Ok, so there has been no verified link with Asperger's and DNA. However, it seems like this is the case in my family. My dad is diagnosed, as is my son. My son's therapist suspects I am also an Aspie. My personal diagnosis, if I get it, will have to wait for awhile because I don't have insurance or the cash up front for the procedure. I know that I have been diagnosed with depression, general anxiety disorder, and migraines. Everyone also believes that I am borderline OCD.After telling my mom about the suspicions, she tells me that she knows I've been different for years. I know I've always been socially awkward, but I attributed it to moving almost every year in my childhood. I've always been rather impulsive and not good with money. I also have the emotional capability most of the time of someone well under half my age. Yesterday was really the big flag for me. I don't

know what happened, but I got really giddy when my mom bought me a Tinkerbell doll (Fawn - gotta have all those!). Once I had the doll in my hands, I had to put the top of the package in my mouth almost continually.Mom also told me that my paternal great grandfather would probably also have been an Aspie. My paternal grandfather died when my dad was 9, so we'll never know about any of those people.My younger son shows almost no symptoms of having AS.My thoughts are all so jumbled. There's so much history on my dad's side of the family. Older son is supposed to be sterile, younger son supposed to have 2 boys. My dad broke that mold. He was the only son - and has only me. I have two boys.Is AS genetically linked in my family?Fawn

[Guest guest]

I see genetic links in my family too. My son was diagnosed when he was 6. It was

sorta missed because well " he's just like his mom & dad " . Now that i've learned

so much more and talked about it with my family there so many of us with traits,

but no professional opinion. Although i can say that i think i get my kid and

because he's like us we have been able to help him. We see things the way he

does and we're adults that live in the world happily and have jobs and love. To

be accepted is a huge thing for people that feel they don't fit in. But when

there is a family link you feel like you fit in because it's a family trait. Not

sure if it's learned behvior or not. For me it's not. I am the way i am. Always

have been. I remember as far back as age 4. I've learned to deal with it. Not

with out my anxious moments though. ~ Casey

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> From: Fawn Kazmierczak <lostfranklingirl@...>

> Subject: ( ) Nature Vs. Nurture

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> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:56 PM

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> Ok, so there has been no verified link with Asperger's and DNA.  However, it

seems like this is the case in my family.  My dad is diagnosed, as is my son. 

My son's therapist suspects I am also an Aspie.  My personal diagnosis, if I

get it, will have to wait for awhile because I don't have insurance or the cash

up front for the procedure.  I know that I have been diagnosed with depression,

general anxiety disorder, and migraines.  Everyone also believes that I am

borderline OCD.

>

> After telling my mom about the suspicions, she tells me that she knows I've

been different for years.  I know I've always been socially awkward, but I

attributed it to moving almost every year in my childhood.   I've always been

rather impulsive and not good with money.  I also have the emotional capability

most of the time of someone well under half my age.  Yesterday was really the

big flag for me.  I don't know what happened, but I got really giddy when my

mom bought me a Tinkerbell doll (Fawn - gotta have all those!).  Once I had the

doll in my hands, I had to put the top of the package in my mouth almost

continually.

>

> Mom also told me that my paternal great grandfather would probably also have

been an Aspie.  My paternal grandfather died when my dad was 9, so we'll never

know about any of those people.

>

> My younger son shows almost no symptoms of having AS.

>

> My thoughts are all so jumbled.  There's so much history on my dad's side of

the family.  Older son is supposed to be sterile, younger son supposed to have

2 boys.  My dad broke that mold.  He was the only son - and has only me.  I

have two boys.

>

> Is AS genetically linked in my family?

>

> Fawn

>

[Guest guest]

I do think my father could have been diagnosed. He died 20 years ago so it's hard for me to remember all of his mannerisms, but he talk non-stop, have inappropriate anger, and had quirks like he could only wear 100% cotton clothing. He was also an alcoholic, so I am thinking that was his way to self-medicate.

My brother (not diagnosed) is similar to my son too, they even look alike. So it's not hard for me to see the "nature" side of this debate.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Suzanne

suzmarkwood@...

From: beachmom68 <Ominous1@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Nature Vs. Nurture Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 10:21 AM

I see genetic links in my family too. My son was diagnosed when he was 6. It was sorta missed because well "he's just like his mom & dad". Now that i've learned so much more and talked about it with my family there so many of us with traits, but no professional opinion. Although i can say that i think i get my kid and because he's like us we have been able to help him. We see things the way he does and we're adults that live in the world happily and have jobs and love. To be accepted is a huge thing for people that feel they don't fit in. But when there is a family link you feel like you fit in because it's a family trait. Not sure if it's learned behvior or not. For me it's not. I am the way i am. Always have been. I remember as far back as age 4. I've learned to deal with it. Not with out my anxious moments though. ~ Casey> > > From: Fawn Kazmierczak <lostfranklingirl@...>> Subject: ( ) Nature Vs. Nurture> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:56 PM> > >  > > > > > > Ok, so there has been no verified link with Asperger's and DNA. However, it seems like this is the case in my family. My dad is diagnosed, as is my son. My son's therapist suspects I am also an Aspie. My personal diagnosis, if I get it, will have to wait for awhile because I don't have insurance or the cash up front for the procedure. I know that I

have been diagnosed with depression, general anxiety disorder, and migraines. Everyone also believes that I am borderline OCD.> > After telling my mom about the suspicions, she tells me that she knows I've been different for years. I know I've always been socially awkward, but I attributed it to moving almost every year in my childhood.  I've always been rather impulsive and not good with money. I also have the emotional capability most of the time of someone well under half my age. Yesterday was really the big flag for me. I don't know what happened, but I got really giddy when my mom bought me a Tinkerbell doll (Fawn - gotta have all those!). Once I had the doll in my hands, I had to put the top of the package in my mouth almost continually.> > Mom also told me that my paternal great grandfather would probably also have been an Aspie. My paternal

grandfather died when my dad was 9, so we'll never know about any of those people.> > My younger son shows almost no symptoms of having AS.> > My thoughts are all so jumbled. There's so much history on my dad's side of the family. Older son is supposed to be sterile, younger son supposed to have 2 boys. My dad broke that mold. He was the only son - and has only me. I have two boys.> > Is AS genetically linked in my family?> > Fawn>

[Guest guest]

I absolutely think it is genetically linked. How could we not pass this on along with all other traits like someone said diabetes, asthma. etc.

I have inherited migraines, depression, poor blood circulation etc from my mother. I think if my dad were to get assessed today he probably would be AS, if not at least ADHD. He always got into trouble in school, ran away from home several times when he was in his early teens and ended up in a boys home. Back then they called him "incorrigible". Kids back then, especially boys, were considered behavior problems and girls were considered "ditsy" or "air-headed". I think girls more often then not, go under the radar because they tend to not have as many behavior issues as boys. I have been diagnosed ADD as an adult and with depression. I think there is more to it than that though at times because I get a lot of anxiety when having to meet new people or speak in front of people. I get so nervous I will cry. Don't ask me why. I don't know myself. But if I have to brief or give a speech I could just start balling. It is really debilitating at times.

I just won't be able to talk because if I do I will cry. It is so weird, because I don't feel sad, just embarrassed and super self-conscious. It has hindered me at times on my job. And I get nauseous before every IEP meeting. Sometimes I literally will dry heave.

Does anyone else experience this? ne

From: beachmom68 <Ominous1@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Nature Vs. Nurture Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 10:21 AM

I see genetic links in my family too. My son was diagnosed when he was 6. It was sorta missed because well "he's just like his mom & dad". Now that i've learned so much more and talked about it with my family there so many of us with traits, but no professional opinion. Although i can say that i think i get my kid and because he's like us we have been able to help him. We see things the way he does and we're adults that live in the world happily and have jobs and love. To be accepted is a huge thing for people that feel they don't fit in. But when there is a family link you feel like you fit in because it's a family trait. Not sure if it's learned behvior or not. For me it's not. I am the way i am. Always have been. I remember as far back as age 4. I've learned to deal with it. Not with out my anxious moments though. ~ Casey> > > From: Fawn Kazmierczak <lostfranklingirl@...>> Subject: ( ) Nature Vs. Nurture> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:56 PM> > >  > > > > > > Ok, so there has been no verified link with Asperger's and DNA. However, it seems like this is the case in my family. My dad is diagnosed, as is my son. My son's therapist suspects I am also an Aspie. My personal diagnosis, if I get it, will have to wait for awhile because I don't have insurance or the cash up front for the procedure. I know that I have been diagnosed with depression, general anxiety disorder, and migraines. Everyone also

believes that I am borderline OCD.> > After telling my mom about the suspicions, she tells me that she knows I've been different for years. I know I've always been socially awkward, but I attributed it to moving almost every year in my childhood.  I've always been rather impulsive and not good with money. I also have the emotional capability most of the time of someone well under half my age. Yesterday was really the big flag for me. I don't know what happened, but I got really giddy when my mom bought me a Tinkerbell doll (Fawn - gotta have all those!). Once I had the doll in my hands, I had to put the top of the package in my mouth almost continually.> > Mom also told me that my paternal great grandfather would probably also have been an Aspie. My paternal grandfather died when my dad was 9, so we'll never know about any of those people.> > My

younger son shows almost no symptoms of having AS.> > My thoughts are all so jumbled. There's so much history on my dad's side of the family. Older son is supposed to be sterile, younger son supposed to have 2 boys. My dad broke that mold. He was the only son - and has only me. I have two boys.> > Is AS genetically linked in my family?> > Fawn>

[Guest guest]

Suzanne I don't have that but i have other things. But i don't like meeting new

people. I don't get sick but i get really anxious. I am overly talkative and

seem to lack a filter when it comes to what i say. I've always got teased for

it. Now being a mom and having to go to school and deal with the mom cliques and

the commotion it stresses me out. The smells everything just take me back to a

time i felt lost and not understood. Never knew why i felt this way. All the

other kids seemed to enjoy being invited to b-day parties and recess. All things

i hated. Only over the past year with reading and figuring out my kids have i

been able to feel like i make sense to myself for once in my life. At 40 i think

i get why i am the way i am and why i was that way as a kid. I hate change. Any

kind. I will vacation at the same hotels. I can change. I can try new things.

But it makes me anxious until it's familiar to me. I have colitis and i think

that is where my anxiety manifests. See...here i go " talking " .

~ Casey

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> > From: Fawn Kazmierczak <lostfranklingirl@>

> > Subject: ( ) Nature Vs. Nurture

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> > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:56 PM

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> > Ok, so there has been no verified link with Asperger's and DNA.  However,

it seems like this is the case in my family.  My dad is diagnosed, as is my

son.  My son's therapist suspects I am also an Aspie.  My personal

diagnosis, if I get it, will have to wait for awhile because I don't have

insurance or the cash up front for the procedure.  I know that I have been

diagnosed with depression, general anxiety disorder, and migraines.  Everyone

also believes that I am borderline OCD.

> >

> > After telling my mom about the suspicions, she tells me that she knows I've

been different for years.  I know I've always been socially awkward, but I

attributed it to moving almost every year in my childhood.   I've always

been rather impulsive and not good with money.  I also have the emotional

capability most of the time of someone well under half my age.  Yesterday was

really the big flag for me.  I don't know what happened, but I got really

giddy when my mom bought me a Tinkerbell doll (Fawn - gotta have all

those!).  Once I had the doll in my hands, I had to put the top of the

package in my mouth almost continually.

> >

> > Mom also told me that my paternal great grandfather would probably also have

been an Aspie.  My paternal grandfather died when my dad was 9, so we'll

never know about any of those people.

> >

> > My younger son shows almost no symptoms of having AS.

> >

> > My thoughts are all so jumbled.  There's so much history on my dad's side

of the family.  Older son is supposed to be sterile, younger son supposed to

have 2 boys.  My dad broke that mold.  He was the only son - and has only

me.  I have two boys.

> >

> > Is AS genetically linked in my family?

> >

> > Fawn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Casey,

I'm in my 40s now too and although I don't have colitis, I do get an upset stomach every time I go on a big trip, even if I've been there before. I too hate change. I've stayed at the same job before, stayed married to my first husband all because I hated change. I use to rather deal with a bad situation than make a change and have the deal with the unknown. This made my life growing up difficult because my Dad was in the military and we moved a lot. I went to 12 different schools in 12 years. I've over come a lot and I'm a pretty strong person because of it but there are still things I'm working on, like speaking in front of people. I don't know if I will ever get better at that, at least not without a dose of Valium or something. LOL! Oh, we all have our stories to tell.

I use to hate those kids that excelled at everything and everything seemed to come so easy for them. They had great social skills and were popular. I just wanted a few good friends and then to just go unnoticed and be left alone.

Here I go "talking"...one thing I'm good at too! ne

From: beachmom68 <Ominous1@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Nature Vs. Nurture Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 6:34 PM

Suzanne I don't have that but i have other things. But i don't like meeting new people. I don't get sick but i get really anxious. I am overly talkative and seem to lack a filter when it comes to what i say. I've always got teased for it. Now being a mom and having to go to school and deal with the mom cliques and the commotion it stresses me out. The smells everything just take me back to a time i felt lost and not understood. Never knew why i felt this way. All the other kids seemed to enjoy being invited to b-day parties and recess. All things i hated. Only over the past year with reading and figuring out my kids have i been able to feel like i make sense to myself for once in my life. At 40 i think i get why i am the way i am and why i was that way as a kid. I hate change. Any kind. I will vacation at the same hotels. I can change. I can try new things. But it makes me anxious until it's familiar to me. I have colitis and i think that is where

my anxiety manifests. See...here i go "talking". ~ Casey> > > > > > From: Fawn Kazmierczak <lostfranklingirl@>> > Subject: ( ) Nature Vs.

Nurture> > > > Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:56 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so there has been no verified link with Asperger's and DNA. However, it seems like this is the case in my family. My dad is diagnosed, as is my son. My son's therapist suspects I am also an Aspie. My personal diagnosis, if I get it, will have to wait for awhile because I don't have insurance or the cash up front for the procedure. I know that I have been diagnosed with depression, general anxiety disorder, and migraines. Everyone also believes that I am

borderline OCD.> > > > After telling my mom about the suspicions, she tells me that she knows I've been different for years. I know I've always been socially awkward, but I attributed it to moving almost every year in my childhood.  I've always been rather impulsive and not good with money. I also have the emotional capability most of the time of someone well under half my age. Yesterday was really the big flag for me. I don't know what happened, but I got really giddy when my mom bought me a Tinkerbell doll (Fawn - gotta have all those!). Once I had the doll in my hands, I had to put the top of the package in my mouth almost continually.> > > > Mom also told me that my paternal great grandfather would probably also have been an Aspie. My paternal grandfather died when my dad was 9, so we'll never know about any

of those people.> > > > My younger son shows almost no symptoms of having AS.> > > > My thoughts are all so jumbled. There's so much history on my dad's side of the family. Older son is supposed to be sterile, younger son supposed to have 2 boys. My dad broke that mold. He was the only son - and has only me. I have two boys.> > > > Is AS genetically linked in my family?> > > > Fawn> >>