How much is too much?

[Guest guest]

This is a fairly common combination, wellbutrin and paxil work well

together and offset each other's side effects

trazodone is used for sleep and ativan for anxiety - usually short

term

> I'm on 100mg of Wellbutrin and 10mg of Lexapro per day.

>

> I have a good friend that is taking 200mg of Wellbutrin, 25mg of

> Paxil, 150mg of Tarzadone and 2mg of Ativan per day.

>

> Does this seem like a lot of medication for a 150 lb. female?

>

> Just curious about everyone's thoughts on this.

>

> -Tom

[Guest guest]

Sure there is and like you said we are all different. I just don't feel good at

low levels of Total and Free T been at this for over 21 yrs. I have had my

Total T down around 650 and had very little trouble with E2. But this I do know

most of us on TRT need to stay on top of high E2.

Phil

dmeatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Based on what I have read here, we mostly fall into 2 categories,

those of us who want to be in the upper third of the range for T and

those of us who want enough T to feel somewhat like we use to. My

question is this, is there an approximate amount of T where conversion

to E2 is minimal vs taking large doses of T and supplement with

something to keep your E2 in check? I know we are all different but

seems like there should be a middle of the road value. I am for

minimizing what I have to put into my body.

Arkansas

[Guest guest]

Hey Arkansas:

Don't someone go crazy and say Gene Bowhay said " numbers mean

everything " -- NO! I don't believe that. However, I KNEW what

my " numbers " were and, have always known what they were BEFORE

hypogonadism and, that is the " range " I was striving to get back to.

Also, in my case, not only E2 was important but, even MORE important

for me was my Prolactin level.

We are all different but there are enough similarities to arrive at

some " approximates. "

And, I understand you wanting to minimize what you have to put into

your body -- that's cool. But for me, I will include every supplement

known to man on top of my TRT and Cialis if that's what it takes to

keep my sex life the same as ever. As you know, in my case, THAT IS

what it takes and, I am cool with that.

Best Regards,

Gene

> Based on what I have read here, we mostly fall into 2 categories,

> those of us who want to be in the upper third of the range for T and

> those of us who want enough T to feel somewhat like we use to. My

> question is this, is there an approximate amount of T where

conversion

> to E2 is minimal vs taking large doses of T and supplement with

> something to keep your E2 in check? I know we are all different but

> seems like there should be a middle of the road value. I am for

> minimizing what I have to put into my body.

>

> Arkansas

[Guest guest]

Hi !

I'm very happy for your experience in taking coconut oil as food and health

supplement, even with a short time. Others, I understand takes weeks or months

to feel good.

I'm not a nutritionist but a crop/soil scientist by specialization but I

surmise the highest amount of intake of coconut oil would vary with the physical

make-up, current health conditions, genetic factors, eating habits and

lifestyle. The average guide of 3.5 tbsp daily is an estimated one based on

references (e.g., Dr Bruce Fife and others). In my case, I'm medium built ( 65

kg weight and 142 m. in height, an Asian (Filipino), takes mixture of rice and

wheat bread, protein sources (fish, meats, legumes), mixture of vegetables,

mixture of season fruits, RBD coconut oil as main cooking oil, drinks dairy

milk almost daily. By the way, I alternative other sources of lauric fatty acids

as coconut milk, dishes with coconut milk, fresh coconut meat (whole or grated).

When I decide take virgin coconut oil or RBD coconut oil, normally its 2-3 tbsp

per day (at least 3 times a week). At my age (60 years), I can still carry on

my normal work without physical fatigue daily and

sleeps at least 7 hours daily.

I'm not aware of conclusive scientific or clinical tests done to determine

the optimum or maximum level of coconut oil daily individual in-take. But in

your case, I'm confident, a way to test it by yourself is to start at the

recommended average requirement, and assuming youré doing fine, increase it by

2 times every 6 months till you feel you have reached the desired point (

beyond this not beneficial or practical). A reminder, after taking higher than

6 tbsp daily, there could be the tendency for you to frequent the toilet to

release unwanted body garbage.

Just giving you a clue to your query.

Cheers,

Sev Magat

jgoldswo2002 <jgoldswo2002@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I am new to this group and this is my first post.

My question is simple: At what amount per day is coconut oil harmful

or unhealthy?

The reason I ask this is that I have recently started using VCO and

the difference is so pleasing that I want to up the dosage a lot more!

Right now I add it to my morning drink and I would say that this

amoumt is at least three tablespoons of heated/liquid oil. It might

well be four tablespoons as I have not measured it precisely.

The difference in my energy, focus and mood during the day is amazing.

If anyone could either tell me what is too much for this wonderful

product or direct me to a web source that provides this information I

would be grateful. Thanks in advance.

[Guest guest]

" Dr. Enig, Ph.D., F.A.C.N. - who believes that the average adult

should include about 3.5 Tbsp. of coconut oil or 10 oz. of pure

coconut milk, or 7oz. of raw coconut per day in their diet, . . . "

http://www.regaininghealthnaturally.com/Coconut_Information/coconutinfo.htm

Alobar

On 2/5/07, Carol Minnick <carol@...> wrote:

> Is there a point where eating too much coconut oil would be harmful, or

> cause any type of distress? I use the brand " Nutiva " and I love it so much,

> I eat it right out of the jar - I could eat a cup a day, but limit myself to

> about 2 tablespoons. Does anyone know how much is too much, and would you

> have any symptoms if you eat more than recommended?

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

>

Carol,

I know you can do a detox ( bowel cleanse)with it, and that is taking

10 tablespoons a day i think. I think it is good for getting rid of

stuff if you suffer from candidia.

So eating too much would probably just make you have lose bowels and

bloatedness i should imagine.

> Is there a point where eating too much coconut oil would be

harmful, or

> cause any type of distress? I use the brand " Nutiva " and I love it

so much,

> I eat it right out of the jar - I could eat a cup a day, but limit

myself to

> about 2 tablespoons. Does anyone know how much is too much, and

would you

> have any symptoms if you eat more than recommended?

>

> Carol

>

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[Guest guest]

PREDNISONE can have some nasty side effects.

My Rhemuy tells me 5 mg a day long-term is ok and that is what I take.

He says 10 mg/day is ok short-term, but anything over 15 mg/day he

wants to hear about.

PA is is such a long-term deal that you should not mess with the drugs

you are given as you have to take them for the rest of your life.

What about some NSAIDs in combination with a low dose of prednisone.

I would try to get more help from your Doc.

>

> Besides Humira and Metht.,I've been taking also

> prednisone, 15mg a day because I NEED to be on my

> feet.(Doctor alllowed the pred for a week only, I'm

> self medicating). I know it's not the best thing but

> honestly I have no choice right now. So based on your

> experiences, is 15 mg too much? What's the ideal

> dosage for a long period of time if one must take it?

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

It would help us a lot if we had the range and units.

bckjnbkned <Bgearhart40@...> wrote: As I have stated before..my

dh has been on HRT for about 8 months

now..before staring therapy his " T " levels were 2.8 and after 3 months

they went to 4.5..we got the lastest bloodwork back and they are at 8.8

now.

His dr is leaving things as they are for now..he will getmore blood

taken in 4 months..she said as long as the levels do not increase we

are okay..if they do, he will have to back off on his Testim gel. He

feels great though ..so she did not change anything yet...

so are these levels okay?

Thanks in advance..

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

---------------------------------

oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I will wait for the Iodine experts to answer your questions. I just

wanted to tell you that before I knew about Iodine I had a Uterine

Fibroid Embolization procedure to shrink my many fibroids. The first

ObGyn wanted to give me a hysterectomy, which I flat refused. He lied

when he told me the embolization procedure was experimental, hence

uncovered by insurance. and that people were dying from it. I found he

was lying when he sent me a Certified Letter and listed that procedure

as one of the Options he had discussed with me. I never went back.

The embolization was an easy fix for me, with an incision less than

half an inch, performed by an Interventional Radiologist since most OB

Gyns are UNqualified to do Embolizations. I had this procedure twice

since two years later, new fibroids grew in . I did have to take a week

off, however, for each procedure.

I hope the iodine works for you.. I sure would have gone that route,

had I known about it.

Val M

>

> Hello,

.....for my uterus (fibroids), but they are still with me. .. "

>

> any ideas would be greatly appreciated. One drop of detoxified iodine

disappears in just a few hours, if that means anything...

>

> tia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello again,Those of you taking Iodoral:Have any of you had hair tests or specific iodine blood tests that shows your level of iodine? I had no idea that my iodine level was so high until I saw these tests, and for the last year I was only taking 50mg.How long will it take for the level to drop down if I am completely off?---Hello,I have been taking Iodoral for a few years now, at 1 time I was taking up to 100mg. It did a good job on my breasts, I was hoping for the same thing for my uterus (fibroids), but they are still with me. Last year I was back down to 50mg. I am chelating with DMSA and

ALA since I had my amalgams removed last summer.I have had 2 hair tests, one last summer and the other 3 months ago in January. Both hair tests show elevated iodine, one in the red. My endo was concerned, but the thyroid blood tests came back normal. He ran some special test for iodine that they dont normally run since it took a while to find which test to ask for, and that was way high out of range too.iodine - 278.0 range 44.0 - 94.0Do any of you test high, out of range in blood tests for iodine? My endo ordered me OFF IODINE, which I dont

want to do!Are the ranges too narrow? Surely I am not the only one with this problem... Maybe some of my receptors are blocked so the iodine is not getting absorbed?any ideas would be greatly appreciated. One drop of detoxified iodine disappears in just a few hours, if that means anything...tia

[Guest guest]

the tests you were given were not accurate tests. look on

http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com for labs that do testing. or look

at the end of this email and click on " commonly asked questions "

Gracia

Z wrote:

>

> Hello again,

>

> Those of you taking Iodoral:

> Have any of you had hair tests or specific iodine blood tests that

> shows your level of iodine?

>

> I had no idea that my iodine level was so high until I saw these

> tests, and for the last year I was only taking 50mg.

>

> How long will it take for the level to drop down if I am completely off?

> ---

>

>

> Hello,

> I have been taking Iodoral for a few years now, at 1 time I was

> taking up to 100mg. It did a good job on my breasts, I was hoping

> for the same thing for my uterus (fibroids), but they are still

> with me. Last year I was back down to 50mg. I am chelating with

> DMSA and ALA since I had my amalgams removed last summer.

>

> I have had 2 hair tests, one last summer and the other 3 months

> ago in January. Both hair tests show elevated iodine, one in the

> red. My endo was concerned, but the thyroid blood tests came back

> normal. He ran some special test for iodine that they dont

> normally run since it took a while to find which test to ask for,

> and that was way high out of range too.

>

> iodine - 278.0 range 44.0 - 94.0

>

> Do any of you test high, out of range in blood tests for iodine?

> My endo ordered me OFF IODINE, which I dont want to do!

>

> Are the ranges too narrow? Surely I am not the only one with this

> problem... Maybe some of my receptors are blocked so the iodine is

> not getting absorbed?

>

> any ideas would be greatly appreciated. One drop of detoxified

> iodine disappears in just a few hours, if that means anything...

>

> tia

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

so after taking a blood test, and 2 hair tests, that both say I am high in iodine, you are suggesting an iodine loading test? They pretty much confirm I HAVE TOO MUCH IODINE. My thyroid is ok, or at least the tests are in range, my breasts are not lumpy any more, so its clear that the iodine has worked there. However, my uterus is still chock full of fibroids so for some reason the iodine is not being absorbed there. Its going into my hair. I was just wondering how many others have high iodine in their hair or blood while organs are not getting better?How will taking more iodine, and measuring how much is in my urine help with this? >> Hello again,>> Those of you taking Iodoral:> Have any of you had hair tests or specific iodine blood tests that > shows your level of iodine?>> I had no idea that my iodine level was so high until I saw these > tests, and for the last year I was only taking 50mg.>> How long will it take for the level to drop down if I am completely off?>

--->

[Guest guest]

Where are your estrogen and progesterone levels?

Fibroids are generally too much estrogen and not

enough progesterone. Low progesterone can cause

receptor site problems for everything, it plays an

important role in energy metabolism too, and could

hamper absorption of thyroid hormones. I have not

seen a definitive 'yes' that it can hamper iodine

too, but that would be a logical assumption. Too

low or too high adrenal function can do the same

thing. Do you take vit A and D? Vit C and the

other helping nutrients?

The problem here is that most docs want to give

estrogen. And (maybe not 100%) but most of us are

overloaded with estrogen due to all the estrogen

mimickers in the environment plus our own body

production of estrogen. Progesterone is usually

the one that is too low to balance the estrogen.

And production usually drops early on and makes

the situation worse by the time you approach

menopause. The ovaries aren't producing as much so

the level goes even lower and the adrenals try to

take over but if you already have stressed

adrenals then it will definitely exhaust the

adrenals when they take over the responsibility of

the major progesterone producing organ instead

of the ovaries. When those hormones are out of

whack nothing wants to work right.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Z wrote:

>

>

> so after taking a blood test, and 2 hair tests, that both say I am high

> in iodine, you are suggesting an iodine loading test? They pretty much

> confirm I HAVE TOO MUCH IODINE.

> My thyroid is ok, or at least the tests are in range, my breasts are not

> lumpy any more, so its clear that the iodine has worked there. However,

> my uterus is still chock full of fibroids so for some reason the iodine

> is not being absorbed there. Its going into my hair. I was just

> wondering how many others have high iodine in their hair or blood while

> organs are not getting better?

>

> How will taking more iodine, and measuring how much is in my urine help

> with this?

>

>

> >

> > Hello again,

> >

> > Those of you taking Iodoral:

> > Have any of you had hair tests or specific iodine blood tests that

> > shows your level of iodine?

> >

> > I had no idea that my iodine level was so high until I saw these

> > tests, and for the last year I was only taking 50mg.

> >

> > How long will it take for the level to drop down if I am

> completely off?

> > ---

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The loading test would be a much more accurate look at your levels. The other tests are against the RDA or ridiculously dumb amount of iodine that is standard but unhealthy. I had the breast fibroids all  go in about 4 months and there were tons. I have been doing 50 mg of iodoral for 2-3 years and supplements. I added progesterone last year and ALA and NAC. I have one fibroid in uterus but no way to check how it is doing except that gyn. told me it still exists. Insurance won't do another scan as don't want hysterectomy. Menopause is supposed to make them go away, she said and also 40% of women have them so considered pretty normal. It has been 5 years since a scan for bloodclots found it in first place by accident looking for anuerysms as part of their fun. Iodine works down the body so likely it will get there and at 50 mg you are doing what many feel is necessary.I added those other things more to fight a breast lump that was suspicious at first but now looks to be benign. Pam

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM, YardBirdMail <yardbirdmail@...> wrote:

Where are your estrogen and progesterone levels?

Fibroids are generally too much estrogen and not

enough progesterone. Low progesterone can cause

receptor site problems for everything, it plays an

important role in energy metabolism too, and could

hamper absorption of thyroid hormones. I have not

seen a definitive 'yes' that it can hamper iodine

too, but that would be a logical assumption. Too

low or too high adrenal function can do the same

thing. Do you take vit A and D? Vit C and the

other helping nutrients?

The problem here is that most docs want to give

estrogen. And (maybe not 100%) but most of us are

overloaded with estrogen due to all the estrogen

mimickers in the environment  plus our own body

production of estrogen. Progesterone is usually

the one that is too low to balance the estrogen.

And production usually drops early on and makes

the situation worse by the time you approach

menopause. The ovaries aren't producing as much so

the level goes even lower and the adrenals try to

take over but if you already have stressed

adrenals then it will definitely exhaust the

adrenals when they take over the responsibility of

 the major progesterone producing organ instead

of the ovaries. When those hormones are out of

whack nothing wants to work right.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Z wrote:

>

>

> so after taking a blood test, and 2 hair tests, that both say I am high

> in iodine, you are suggesting an iodine loading test? They pretty much

> confirm I HAVE TOO MUCH IODINE.

> My thyroid is ok, or at least the tests are in range, my breasts are not

> lumpy any more, so its clear that the iodine has worked there. However,

> my uterus is still chock full of fibroids so for some reason the iodine

> is not being absorbed there. Its going into my hair. I was just

> wondering how many others have high iodine in their hair or blood while

> organs are not getting better?

>

> How will taking more iodine, and measuring how much is in my urine help

> with this?

>

>

>      >

>      > Hello again,

>      >

>      > Those of you taking Iodoral:

>      > Have any of you had hair tests or specific iodine blood tests that

>      > shows your level of iodine?

>      >

>      > I had no idea that my iodine level was so high until I saw these

>      > tests, and for the last year I was only taking 50mg.

>      >

>      > How long will it take for the level to drop down if I am

>     completely off?

>      > ---

>      >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

thanks for all your responses!I am currently taking an oral progesterone - progest50.com - that Dr recommends in his book All-Natural Cure for your PMS. I am only taking 50mg once a day the 2nd have of my cycle. I am also taking maca. Thought I would see if it will help my body to balance everything like I ready others say - endocrine, thyroid and reproductive.I am also taking cod liver oil for my vitamin A, 5000iu vit D, 2 krill oil, magnesium and calcium with every meal and the other iodine companions, selenium and sea salt, along with 6G vit C and lots of other supplements.I'm testing my hormone levels this week and will consider the iodine loading test.thanks so much!!!ps, I have also read great things about magnets, so I am going to give that a go as well. Just got the Nikken MagBoy off ebay -

worth a try...---

[Guest guest]

oral progesterone is very hard to absorb.

I'd suggest trying a cream for a while. It's very

hard to build fat stores of progesterone that will

keep your blood levels stable with 50 mg orally.

Or at least that's what I read in my researching

anyway. That may be why you still have some

problems, or at least now I know why it sounds to

me like you're still low progesterone. A little of

the progesterone is getting to where it needs to

be but not enough. Maybe if you switch to the

cream for a while you'll have better results.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Z wrote:

>

>

> thanks for all your responses!

> I am currently taking an oral progesterone - progest50.com - that Dr

> recommends in his book All-Natural Cure for your PMS. I am

> only taking 50mg once a day the 2nd have of my cycle. I am also taking

> maca. Thought I would see if it will help my body to balance everything

> like I ready others say - endocrine, thyroid and reproductive.

>

> I am also taking cod liver oil for my vitamin A, 5000iu vit D, 2 krill

> oil, magnesium and calcium with every meal and the other iodine

> companions, selenium and sea salt, along with 6G vit C and lots of other

> supplements.

>

> I'm testing my hormone levels this week and will consider the iodine

> loading test.

>

> thanks so much!!!

>

>

> ps, I have also read great things about magnets, so I am going to give

> that a go as well. Just got the Nikken MagBoy off ebay - worth a try...

>

> ---

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just dropped my 10 yr old aspie son off at his first sleepover. So as I'm heading out the door I say to the Mom (whom I've spoke to about numerous times about 's "issues")I say,"ok so you know Ant has Asperger's" WHAT IS THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!? She was totally alarmed. I didn't really know what to say. I told her it's pretty much high functioning atusim and she had this look of major concern. She asked what that should mean to her and I just told her- well he won't ask for anything, he might stay away from the other kids, if he looks left out could you ask him if he's ok. UGH I am worried now- I told Ant that no matter what time it was I'd pick him up but he didn't think I would pick him up at 2:30 am if he happened to decide he'd rather be at home. I assured him I would.My main question is what do you tell people? I mean I could go in depth of all this sensory stuff and his special interests but he does pretty good blenind in. I didn't mention he might pace around her kitchen island repeatedly until someone tells him to stop...oh Lord!! LOL

[Guest guest]

I usually just tell people is a little delayed and not to be concerned if

he seems a bit different. I also remind them that he doesn't have many friends

and isn't always sure how to act around other kids. Then I tell the parent that

he really enjoys chess, math and card games and that it is best to steer away

from video games.

>

>

> I just dropped my 10 yr old aspie son off at his first sleepover. So as

> I'm heading out the door I say to the Mom (whom I've spoke to about

> numerous times about 's " issues " )I say, " ok so you know Ant has

> Asperger's " WHAT IS THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!? She was totally

> alarmed. I didn't really know what to say. I told her it's pretty much

> high functioning atusim and she had this look of major concern. She

> asked what that should mean to her and I just told her- well he won't

> ask for anything, he might stay away from the other kids, if he looks

> left out could you ask him if he's ok.

>

> UGH I am worried now- I told Ant that no matter what time it was I'd

> pick him up but he didn't think I would pick him up at 2:30 am if he

> happened to decide he'd rather be at home. I assured him I would.

>

> My main question is what do you tell people? I mean I could go in depth

> of all this sensory stuff and his special interests but he does pretty

> good blenind in. I didn't mention he might pace around her kitchen

> island repeatedly until someone tells him to stop...oh Lord!! LOL

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Dawn,The way I handle "rotating greens" is to buy different greens each shopping trip, and use that green (or greens) until they are gone, then get different greens the next time. Hope this is helpful!I can't speak to the greens and kidney stones issue without doing a Google search.

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:06 AM, dawn7656 wrote:

I am waiting for my Vitamix to arrive FedEX. In the mean while, I have been trying to educate myself a little bit about greens. I have read that I must rotate greens to avoid akaloids building up in my system.

I'm not clear on how often that rotation needs to be... or between how many differing greens. I read 's post this morning, saying that too much can cause kidney stones. Can anyone speak more on any of this?

Thanks,

Newbie Dawn

[Guest guest]

I personally just rotate my greens daily. If I have kale one day then the next day, I’ll have spinach.It keeps it easy! In His Grace….Robbie From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of dawn7656Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:06 AM Subject: How Much is TOO Much? I am waiting for my Vitamix to arrive FedEX. In the mean while, I have been trying to educate myself a little bit about greens. I have read that I must rotate greens to avoid akaloids building up in my system.I'm not clear on how often that rotation needs to be... or between how many differing greens. I read 's post this morning, saying that too much can cause kidney stones. Can anyone speak more on any of this?Thanks,Newbie Dawn