Re: Ultimate Flora (KerryAnn and others)

[Guest guest]

> You read the Yeast connection

>stuff and everything is because of yeast. You read GASPS everything

>is because of leaky gut. You read Thyroid/adreanl everything is

>because of these things and if i got my homrones evened out all the

>other stuff i deal with would go away.

I know, that's what has had me careening through life searching for truth

for years, but I thought Dr.CMB tied everything together for me in her

lectures, and that's why I was so blown away. The book doesn't do that so

clearly IMO. I hope she gets her next book on physical manifestations out

soon!

I've been reading Bee's stuff, and while she only talks about candida, looks

to me like she is really treating gut dysbiosis there.

About the Bio-Kult not seeming to work for you, maybe it's effects just

aren't something you'd be seeing now? or I was also wondering, since there

are at least 500 different good bacteria and yeasts in the gut, and only 14

in Bio-Kult, is it possible for a person to be having their problem with

strains that are not directly addressed by the Bio-kult, and not to see much

improvement, at least for a while? Maybe it would be worth experimenting

with other probiotics with different strains? I dunno.

We've definitely seen benefits from the Bio-Kult from Nutrivene.com, BTW

Take care,

Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

[Guest guest]

On Mar 24, 2008, at 9:51 AM, <castella@...>

<castella@...

> wrote:

>> You read the Yeast connection

>> stuff and everything is because of yeast. You read GASPS everything

>> is because of leaky gut. You read Thyroid/adreanl everything is

>> because of these things and if i got my homrones evened out all the

>> other stuff i deal with would go away.

>

> I know, that's what has had me careening through life searching for

> truth

> for years, but I thought Dr.CMB tied everything together for me in her

> lectures, and that's why I was so blown away. The book doesn't do

> that so

> clearly IMO. I hope she gets her next book on physical

> manifestations out

> soon!

I think it's all part of the same thing. A yeast overgrowth and leaky

gut are both caused by abnormal gut flora.

>

> I've been reading Bee's stuff, and while she only talks about

> candida, looks

> to me like she is really treating gut dysbiosis there.

Yep I agree -- it's the same thing

>

> About the Bio-Kult not seeming to work for you, maybe it's effects

> just

> aren't something you'd be seeing now? or I was also wondering, since

> there

> are at least 500 different good bacteria and yeasts in the gut, and

> only 14

> in Bio-Kult, is it possible for a person to be having their problem

> with

> strains that are not directly addressed by the Bio-kult, and not to

> see much

> improvement, at least for a while? Maybe it would be worth

> experimenting

> with other probiotics with different strains? I dunno.

I really think you have to look at the symptoms. If your symptoms are

seasonal (like hay fever) then you will have to wait to see if it is

working. If you don't want to keep taking the Biokult, due to price

and if you don't know if it's working, you could take it for a period

of time -- say 4-8 weeks -- long enough to create a colonization. Then

you could stop and just consume lots of a variety of fermented foods

(beet kvass, kombucha, kefir, coconut water kefir, sauerkraut, pickles

etc. etc.) and continue to avoid sugar and refined carbs. Give it 1-2

years and then see how you do.

I do think the initial colonization is the important thing. So I think

you need a powerful probiotic in the beginning.

Ann Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi Alice,

I was kind of wondering that myself. If maybe i have a dif. strain

going on and need it. But how on earth am i going to find one that

is what i need? I thought most have the same exact strains in them.

I would think my issues are because of rounds nad rounds of anti b's

as a kid and teen. I was on some for a long time for cycstic acne.

months straight. Tetracycline, Doxacycline, who knows what else. As

soon as one was not " working " anymore they would give me four months

worht of another. I was on Accutane for awhile to oand since it is

known to really mess people up metnally etc... i am wodnering what

type of gut damage it can do. It seems to induce scizophrenia in

people. Anyhow i think will have to keep trying different ones.

Have used Mercola's, Primal D - a couple of types, Swason SBO,

ferments (obviously), Bio, Natren, a ouple others and can't rem.

their names. I wanted to try Nutriflora but wonder about the FOS as

i thought someone said it DOES feed the bad ones as well.

Man i hate that the book did not go into this. I had to grin and

bare the cost of it at $30. as it was. Had i known i could get a

lecture for less that would have been great. Now i do not want to

buy the lecture cause i have the book Can you tell me the titles

so i can buy the ones that you specifically feel really connect it

all.

iwas wondering that with Bee also that she says it is Candida but

she is prob. clearing out lot's of other stuff too because the diets

all seem to have the same premise. So hers works and she thinks it

is Candida alone the cause of it all .Did you read her stuff on why

leaky gut can't be real??

Also sorry for the typos gang. I did not have time to proof read -

baby was crying. I still have to look at the keyboard as i type. I

have not been able to mentally do the keyboard thing even after

taking keyborading classes

> I know, that's what has had me careening through life searching for

truth

> for years, but I thought Dr.CMB tied everything together for me in

her

> lectures, and that's why I was so blown away. The book doesn't do

that so

> clearly IMO. I hope she gets her next book on physical

manifestations out

> I've been reading Bee's stuff, and while she only talks about

candida, looks

> to me like she is really treating gut dysbiosis there.

> About the Bio-Kult not seeming to work for you, maybe it's effects

just

> aren't something you'd be seeing now? or I was also wondering,

since there

> are at least 500 different good bacteria and yeasts in the gut, and

only 14

> in Bio-Kult, is it possible for a person to be having their problem

with

> strains that are not directly addressed by the Bio-kult, and not to

see much

> improvement, at least for a while? Maybe it would be worth

experimenting

> with other probiotics with different strains? I dunno.

> We've definitely seen benefits from the Bio-Kult from

Nutrivene.com, BTW

> Take care,

> Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-)

> Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/

>

[Guest guest]

I was thinking the same which is why i am not sure i want to buy a

bunch more especially at he site prices - ouch! I am just not sure it

will work that great for everyone since i am not having this great big

reaction like everyone else. Some posted noticing a difference with in

a couple of days/doses. I would have thought something would have been

changed for me also especially taking as much as quick as i did.

Maybe i do not have as much, or maybe they need a stronger dose longer

to make a dif. Maybe mine are superbug strain like i mentioned

before. I mean dang all those anti b's i was on for years.

Who knows. I just know so far nothing.

[Guest guest]

<<I was also wondering, since there

are at least 500 different good bacteria and yeasts in the gut, and only 14

in Bio-Kult, is it possible for a person to be having their problem with

strains that are not directly addressed by the Bio-kult, and not to see much

improvement, at least for a while? Maybe it would be worth experimenting

with other probiotics with different strains? >>

Alice,

I think that you really hit the nail on the head and from everything

I have read and learned in the fermenting groups, that's exactly what

is happening. We are all unique and probably all have different

ratios of flora. Most likely. this is why some have die off with one

probiotic and others have nothing at all. My autistic son reacts to

every little change in diet and/or supplement while the rest of us do

not. On my kombucha list they have said that each brew is different

in species and each person reacts differently to even the same brew.

Our doctor (alternative) once told us that we know more about the

solar system than about gut flora!

Millie

[Guest guest]

This has always been my belief!!! I always think about Jordan Rubins

story where he tried every probiotic known at that time. I believe

his father brought him what he said looked like a bag of dirt. It

was soil organisms. That is what seemed to do the job ... for him.

That was the one (group?) he was missing!!!

This is why I like the idea of raw products, particularly raw milk

and kefir grains. These come with their own set of probiotics which

can be different from day to day. Some caution using them because

scientists have not isolated and named all of the microbes in them.

But that's exactly why I like it!!!!!!! There is so much in our food

that we DON'T know about that is critical to our health. We need to

stop being afraid of what God gave us. I'm much more afraid of what

man has made it into!!!

Connie

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>

>

> <<I was also wondering, since there

> are at least 500 different good bacteria and yeasts in the gut, and

only 14

> in Bio-Kult, is it possible for a person to be having their problem

with

> strains that are not directly addressed by the Bio-kult, and not to

see much

> improvement, at least for a while? Maybe it would be worth

experimenting

> with other probiotics with different strains? >>

> Alice,

> I think that you really hit the nail on the head and from

everything

> I have read and learned in the fermenting groups, that's exactly

what

> is happening. We are all unique and probably all have different

> ratios of flora. Most likely. this is why some have die off with

one

> probiotic and others have nothing at all. My autistic son reacts to

> every little change in diet and/or supplement while the rest of us

do

> not. On my kombucha list they have said that each brew is different

> in species and each person reacts differently to even the same

brew.

> Our doctor (alternative) once told us that we know more about the

> solar system than about gut flora!

>

> Millie

>