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Doctors usually test yearly to check blood values to see if Hep C is at bay. Yes Hep C can come back unfortunately.

Hope this helped. Lynne

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of bethSent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: [ ] need help

my husband had hepatitis C back in 2001. we where talking about this and can anyone out there tell us can hepatitis C come back? and if so how will we know or how often should you be teseted?thank you beth and harris

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Hi Beth I also found out that I had Hep C in 2001 and did the full round of treetment in 2002. Showed no sogn of it 4 months into treetment, but did the full 48 weeks. Most Doctors will not tell you that your free of it. Just that it is in remission. Every year when I have my check up, I get tested. So far 5 years post treetment, I have still tested no signs of it. There have been some where it showed up. I hope this helps both of you. Terrybeth <mayfrog1963@...> wrote: my husband had hepatitis C back in 2001. we where talking about this and can anyone out there tell us can hepatitis C come back? and if so how will we know or how often should you be teseted?thank you beth and harris

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I have never heard of hep c going away by itself. But anything is possable. TerryJMLKJ@... wrote: In a message dated 4/13/2007 10:09:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, mayfrog1963 writes: my husband had hepatitis C back in 2001. we where talking about this and can anyone out there tell us can hepatitis C come back? and if so how will we know or how often should you be teseted?thank you

beth and harris This post has really perked my interest. As some of you know, my 17 year old nephew was diagnosed with hep C which he was probably born with. My drug addicted sister has it. Due to a very confused life style, my nephew ended up in NYS custody for school refusal, drinking and smoking pot. He did well and was released early partly so that health issues could be addressed. It did not take him long to get picked up again because they had him on a strict, unrealistic 7:00 pm curfew with an ankle band. I could have told them not to bother. This kid has a lot of energy and was not about to sit home with his elderly Grandparents and his nutty mother (my sister). Now he is back in the custody of NYS at a juvenile center where he is doing well but his health issues are ignored. He will be released in June when he turns 18. Only God knows what will happen

to him then. His health insurance will also expire then (He has it through my parents, his grandparents) The whole situation is a mess. My question is this- Does Hep C ever go away by itself or does it only progress and get worse? Thanks for your help! Maura See what's free at AOL.com.

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I think about 15% of people with hepatitis C clear it on their own. Usually if it is present for a certain length of time (6 mos, 1 year?) it is considered chronic and is not expected to go away without treatment. I imagine that it is certainly within the realm of possibility though. Our bodies are constantly fighting it, but the virus mutates so that the antibodies we have produced to fight it are no longer effective and as we create new antibodies, it assumes new mutations. The idea behind the treatment (as I understand it) is to assist our immune systems and hit it so hard that we can kill it all before it has a chance to mutate again.Terry Long <pawpawto3@...> wrote: I have never heard of hep c going away by itself. But anything is possable. TerryJMLKJ@... wrote: In a message dated 4/13/2007 10:09:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, mayfrog1963 writes: my husband had hepatitis C back in 2001. we where talking about this and can anyone out there tell us can hepatitis C come back? and if so how will we know or how often should you be teseted?thank you beth and harris This post has really perked my interest. As some of you know, my 17 year old nephew was diagnosed with

hep C which he was probably born with. My drug addicted sister has it. Due to a very confused life style, my nephew ended up in NYS custody for school refusal, drinking and smoking pot. He did well and was released early partly so that health issues could be addressed. It did not take him long to get picked up again because they had him on a strict, unrealistic 7:00 pm curfew with an ankle band. I could have told them not to bother. This kid has a lot of energy and was not about to sit home with his elderly Grandparents and his nutty mother (my sister). Now he is back in the custody of NYS at a juvenile center where he is doing well but his health issues are ignored. He will be released in June when he turns 18. Only God knows what will happen to him then. His health insurance will also expire then (He has it through my parents, his grandparents) The whole situation is a mess. My question is this- Does Hep C ever go away by itself or does it only progress and get worse? Thanks for your help! Maura See what's free at AOL.com.

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//> Hi, Lesley. I'm . I've been with the group for a number of

months now and been on the program for about 8 months. I'm pretty much

sure I also have a heavy case of candidiasis.

I'm not much of an expert with body odor, but what I can say is that

resolving Candida issues is variable for each individual. For anyone

to say 'it will take X days or months for your body odor to go away'

would not be realistic and may foster false hopes for you. I wish I

had a more direct answer for you based on personal experience, but I

do not.

I would certainly say that the tiredness you are experiencing is

certainly a die-off reaction. Of the die-off symptoms that I

experience are mostly extreme tiredness, especially in the evenings,

anxiety, brain fog, depression, ADD (inability to focus), and most

distressing is my IBS (i.e., abdominal bloating, distension,

discomfort, sometimes pain, loose stools, and diarrhea).

Do you have any problems tolerating the coconut oil at 6 tablespoons?

I was up to 5 tablespoons myself, but found that it was just way too

much die-off for me to handle (I would have extreme anxiety attacks,

crying spells, abdominal pain, etc.). I've since gone down to just

frying my eggs in plenty of it, but not taking any straight from the

container. Anti fungals have a powerful effect on me, and I'm not

ready for them yet. The diet and supplements alone are causing enough

healing reaction for me right now for me to move forward with higher

doses of coconut oil and other anti fungals right now, and I've been

on the diet for 8 months.

Well, I know I was rambling a bit about my own situation, but I hope

that helped you in some way. Best wishes in your Candida healing!

, 25.

>

> Hi, my name is Lesley, and I'm looking for any answers that the group

> can give me. I've done my own research and I'm sure I have candida.

> I'm slowly starting on Bee's diet and supplement list. I'm into my

> second week of taking the coconut oil(I'm taking 6 tablespoons a day

> now), and I think I'm starting to experience the die-off symptoms I

> keep reading about. The major die-off symptom I have right now is

> extreme tiredness, especially, in the morning. I've read some of the

> postings on bad breath and body odor, and I just wanted to know how

> long after you start the program does the odor problems come under

> control? What products do you recommend to help with this issue?

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, my name is Lesley, and I'm looking for any answers that the group

> can give me.

==>Hi Lesley. Welcome to our group my friend.

> I've done my own research and I'm sure I have candida. I'm slowly

starting on Bee's diet and supplement list. I'm into my second week of

taking the coconut oil(I'm taking 6 tablespoons a day now), and I think

I'm starting to experience the die-off symptoms I keep reading about.

>The major die-off symptom I have right now is extreme tiredness,

especially, in the morning. I've read some of the postings on bad

breath and body odor, and I just wanted to know how long after you

start the program does the odor problems come under control? What

products do you recommend to help with this issue?

==>It is possible you increased your coconut oil too quickly. If your

morning fatigue continues you might cut back and only increase amounts

every 4-5 days to minimize fatigue and other die-off reactions.

==>Getting bad breath and body odor problems under control depends upon

many factors, so the timing is different for each person. They are

cause by an imbalance of good to bad bacteria in the digestive system

and candida overgrowth is a big contributing factor. Candida puts out

over 79 toxins, most of which are alcohol which eeks out of all of the

body's pores creating putrid odours. Having candida also means the

immune system is depressed so other bacteria that create bad odors can

also co-exist with candida.

==>It can also be caused by a poor diet which results in poor

digestion, so it is important to " improve digestion " per my main

candida article - see " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " in our

Group's Files (left menu) in the 2nd Folder and search the article

for " Improve Digestion " . Meats, eggs and good fats like butter, coconut

oil, lard, fish oils, etc. are the very easiest foods for the human

body to digest compared to any carbs (any foods that aren't classified

as proteins or fats). Candida sufferers need to increase their stomach

acid first by taking betaine hydrochloric acid tablets with foods - see

the Group's Files for the C) Digestion Folder on how to take them.

Following this diet plus all of the recommended supplements will help

to get things back in balance - everything works together so do not

leave out any supplements. Liquid chlorophyll is particularly

important for odor problems.

The best, Bee

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>

> Hi, my name is Lesley, and I'm looking for any answers that the group

> can give me. I've done my own research and I'm sure I have candida.

> I'm slowly starting on Bee's diet and supplement list. I'm into my

> second week of taking the coconut oil(I'm taking 6 tablespoons a day

> now), and I think I'm starting to experience the die-off symptoms I

> keep reading about. The major die-off symptom I have right now is

> extreme tiredness, especially, in the morning. I've read some of the

> postings on bad breath and body odor, and I just wanted to know how

> long after you start the program does the odor problems come under

> control? What products do you recommend to help with this issue?

>

I think it was mentioned here that Chlorophyl is good for you , someone

said World Organic Liquid chlorophyl works and I looked for it and

Vitacost right now has a good price at 6.49

I have a problem with odor as well and as soon as I started taking a

probiotic it changed, it isn't good but it did change.

It actually changed to this strange orang-y type odor and now reading

more and more files it might have to do with that this one called

Jarrow contains dairy.

I am trying to find a good, pure Probiotic that does not contain dairy.

I posted on the forum and if you find one let me know as well.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, my name is Lesley, and I'm looking for any answers that the group

> can give me. I've done my own research and I'm sure I have candida.

> I'm slowly starting on Bee's diet and supplement list. I'm into my

> second week of taking the coconut oil(I'm taking 6 tablespoons a day

> now), and I think I'm starting to experience the die-off symptoms I

> keep reading about. The major die-off symptom I have right now is

> extreme tiredness, especially, in the morning. I've read some of the

> postings on bad breath and body odor, and I just wanted to know how

> long after you start the program does the odor problems come under

> control? What products do you recommend to help with this issue?

>

Welcome to the group and congratulations on starting your helaing journey. I

know many

people experience fatigue as a die-off symptom. I know I have. As soon as you

start

getting up in doseage on the liquid clorophyll I think any body odors will

become less of a

problem since that acts as an internal deodorant. After detox I don't think

you'll need to

use any products. I myself have opted out of using deodorants. I also avoid

showering

every day since that would take away protective body oils, my solution is to

wash my

underarms about 2 times per day. I've only been on the diet for 2 months but I

already

smell better.

There is a salt deodorant sold by www.mountainroseherbs.com that Bee recommends

though.

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Thank you for your response. I've been battling this problem for about 5 years

that I know of. I have to say that 6 tablespoons of coconut oil is not easy.

I've been experiencing diahrrea and nausea. I don't experience them every day,

but when I do, it's difficult.

I'm slowly easing into the diet. I've done Atkins before and noticed that I

felt much better after 3 weeks.

After reading the emails of some of the other members, I think I'm going to

start taking the chlorophyll liquid. I asked the odor question because I have

to start looking for another job and I don't want the way I smell to be

distracting.

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Hello, I'm Gross in North Carolina

I've been in this forum, sometimes posting, sometimes lurking - this is a great place for information and support.

Having had revision surgery in May I feel that I'm no better off than I was prior to the surgery in that the pain moved from the lumbar area to the sacrum. I find myself still in enormous pain in sitting, standing and walking.. I can get relief in lying down. My doc. said he believes this to be muscle pain from some of the revision surgery he performed. Prior to this surgery my problem was lumbar and since the fusion to the sacrum that pain has gone but I now hurt below that, in the sacrum area.

If anyone can give me words of encouragement, or something positive to look for I would really appreciate it. Bottom line is that I am no more able to function than I was prior to the revision surgery with the difference being, as I have stated, that the pain and problematic area has moved down to the sacrum.

I was so sure that this surgery would improve my life - especially the pain in walking, standing, would have let up. I don't know of any more surgery that can be done - perhaps I've had too much surgery. I am so tired of the pain and at 53 years of age, I feel 90 years plus, just like, or even moreso than prior to my May 2007 revision surgery.

Sorry to sound so gloomy - but my surgery just didn't or hasn't yet made a difference. What do people do in this case?

Sincerely, G

[Guest guest]

,

I have not had revision surgery, so you may not feel me qualified to

answer, but I have been reading here and other forums for years. Do

you have bolts like does? If so that could be the problem.

She has been in a lot of pain since her surgery 9 months ago. In fact

she just had to have the bolts out about a week ago.

Kathy

>

> Hello, I'm Gross in North Carolina

>

> I've been in this forum, sometimes posting, sometimes lurking -

this is a great place for information and support.

>

> Having had revision surgery in May I feel that I'm no better off

than I was prior to the surgery in that the pain moved from the

lumbar area to the sacrum. I find myself still in enormous pain in

sitting, standing and walking.. I can get relief in lying down. My

doc. said he believes this to be muscle pain from some of the

revision surgery he performed. Prior to this surgery my problem was

lumbar and since the fusion to the sacrum that pain has gone but I

now hurt below that, in the sacrum area.

>

> If anyone can give me words of encouragement, or something positive

to look for I would really appreciate it. Bottom line is that I am

no more able to function than I was prior to the revision surgery

with the difference being, as I have stated, that the pain and

problematic area has moved down to the sacrum.

>

> I was so sure that this surgery would improve my life - especially

the pain in walking, standing, would have let up. I don't know of

any more surgery that can be done - perhaps I've had too much

surgery. I am so tired of the pain and at 53 years of age, I feel

90 years plus, just like, or even moreso than prior to my May 2007

revision surgery.

>

> Sorry to sound so gloomy - but my surgery just didn't or hasn't yet

made a difference. What do people do in this case?

>

> Sincerely, G

>

[Guest guest]

,

I didn't experience the issues with pain you describe, but if it is

at all encouraging, you are fairly early in the healing process to be

feeeling that what you have now is the " best " it will get. I did

notice an enormous change in the way things felt around 10 months

which, in retrospect, was probably everything having really knitted

together and becoming more solid. But we are all different.

Two other things come to mind. The first is that you are coming into

what I call the " 4 months blues " ...one seems to hit a wall

emotionally around this time. Most of the post surgical/trauma pain

is gone but there often is other perisitent pain and limitations.

Almost everyone around you is running out of patience for this long

recovery and you still feel like garbage at the end of the day. It

really is difficult...and as I said, although I slowly gained more

ability as the months went on, it really was almost 6 months before

I thought...wow...things really are better. I think often

suggests a journal as it helps you to track what is going " right " and

help you see that you actually are progressing.

As Kathy said, it also is not uncommon to have issues with the illiac

screws, and they are often removed once they are no longer necessary.

Also, I am in an off-line correspondance with a member who went

through the screw removal exercise without much relief and found a

doctor who was able to trace the pain to entrapment of the subcluneal

nerve. Apparently, at least in her case, the nerve became entraped in

scar tissue which formed as a result of the revision surgery. She is

in treatment for this as will report back to me when she feels there

is enough time elapsed to share more info. Early results were very

promising. It is an interesting avenue for many to say the least. The

treatment was fairly simple...at least simple compared to what we

have been through. Incidently, the first 3-4 months after surgery she

was doing well...and then started having pain in the SI area too.

In any event, if you haven't, you should talk your concerns over with

your doctor (Hey, right?) and let him/them know how you are feeling

and how the pain is effecting you. Please do not suffer in silence!

Take heart,

Cam

[Guest guest]

G,

I know how you feel . At 4 or 5 months I complained about the

same things to my doctor. After giving me a very graphical description of

how he tore out all my old hardware using a chisel and hammer and proceeded

to cut into vertebrae and mount spacers and cages and work through muscle

walls in the front and back and then put me back together after adding a ton

of metal, he said, " Could you tell me what hurts again? " . He very

explicitly told

me all the muscle aches, butt aches, spine aches will take lots and

lots of time to

heal. The best description though came from the assistant. Picture it

like making jello.

First it is just liquid and eventually it solidifies to a solid. That

is how it is while your

back is healing after this surgery. It is not uncommon to hit a wall

of depression at

this state. You want to feel better, do more but you just can't. My

heart goes out

to you, I remember this state well. Have patience with yourself and

do what you have

to do if your depressed. Take care .

[Guest guest]

, don't give up! I know when I went for my initial consult with Dr. Hey he said if I still had pain after surgery we would work until we found the cause and fix it. I'm sure he feels the same way about you - he likes to see his patients with a result in a better quality of living and not still in pain. I'm sure he will continue to work with you if you still have problems. I didn't have pain in my sacrum but did have pain in my hip for a long time. He said that was where he did most of the pulling, pushing, inserting, etc. I still have pain in that hip when I sleep on that side. It is still early in our recovery and it may just be that your body takes longer to heal. We all heal at different rates so don't give up yet! I'm sure depression is adding to it. I have been seriously depressed for the past month or so but I know it's the result of the traumatic surgery and will go away eventually. Are you still taking any pain meds?

Peggy

Re: [ ] Need Help

Hello, I'm Gross in North Carolina

I've been in this forum, sometimes posting, sometimes lurking - this is a great place for information and support.

Having had revision surgery in May I feel that I'm no better off than I was prior to the surgery in that the pain moved from the lumbar area to the sacrum. I find myself still in enormous pain in sitting, standing and walking.. I can get relief in lying down. My doc. said he believes this to be muscle pain from some of the revision surgery he performed. Prior to this surgery my problem was lumbar and since the fusion to the sacrum that pain has gone but I now hurt below that, in the sacrum area.

If anyone can give me words of encouragement, or something positive to look for I would really appreciate it. Bottom line is that I am no more able to function than I was prior to the revision surgery with the difference being, as I have stated, that the pain and problematic area has moved down to the sacrum.

I was so sure that this surgery would improve my life - especially the pain in walking, standing, would have let up. I don't know of any more surgery that can be done - perhaps I've had too much surgery. I am so tired of the pain and at 53 years of age, I feel 90 years plus, just like, or even moreso than prior to my May 2007 revision surgery.

Sorry to sound so gloomy - but my surgery just didn't or hasn't yet made a difference. What do people do in this case?

Sincerely, G

[Guest guest]

,

You are not alone, I am not far behind you, my surgery being June 1st,

and I am too still in alot of pain. Mine is also in the sacrum area

but also in my hips. When I stand up from a sitting position, it

takes a few minutes to get my balance and for the pain to subside

enough so I can take a step. I am actually worse off with pain then

before the revision. But when I look back at where I was even a month

ago, I know I am progressing. Slowly...but we have been through a

very traumatic surgery and it will take time. If you'd like, I could

call you and maybe we could be a support for each other. Let me know

and we could exchange phone numbers privately.

in New York

>

> , don't give up! I know when I went for my initial consult

with Dr. Hey he said if I still had pain after surgery we would work

until we found the cause and fix it. I'm sure he feels the same way

about you - he likes to see his patients with a result in a better

quality of living and not still in pain. I'm sure he will continue to

work with you if you still have problems. I didn't have pain in my

sacrum but did have pain in my hip for a long time. He said that was

where he did most of the pulling, pushing, inserting, etc. I still

have pain in that hip when I sleep on that side. It is still early in

our recovery and it may just be that your body takes longer to heal.

We all heal at different rates so don't give up yet! I'm sure

depression is adding to it. I have been seriously depressed for the

past month or so but I know it's the result of the traumatic surgery

and will go away eventually. Are you still taking any pain meds?

>

> Peggy

>

>

> Re: [ ] Need Help

>

>

>

> Hello, I'm Gross in North Carolina

>

> I've been in this forum, sometimes posting, sometimes lurking -

this is a great place for information and support.

>

> Having had revision surgery in May I feel that I'm no better off

than I was prior to the surgery in that the pain moved from the lumbar

area to the sacrum. I find myself still in enormous pain in sitting,

standing and walking.. I can get relief in lying down. My doc. said

he believes this to be muscle pain from some of the revision surgery

he performed. Prior to this surgery my problem was lumbar and since

the fusion to the sacrum that pain has gone but I now hurt below that,

in the sacrum area.

>

> If anyone can give me words of encouragement, or something

positive to look for I would really appreciate it. Bottom line is

that I am no more able to function than I was prior to the revision

surgery with the difference being, as I have stated, that the pain and

problematic area has moved down to the sacrum.

>

> I was so sure that this surgery would improve my life - especially

the pain in walking, standing, would have let up. I don't know of any

more surgery that can be done - perhaps I've had too much surgery. I

am so tired of the pain and at 53 years of age, I feel 90 years plus,

just like, or even moreso than prior to my May 2007 revision surgery.

>

> Sorry to sound so gloomy - but my surgery just didn't or hasn't

yet made a difference. What do people do in this case?

>

> Sincerely, G

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , Please hang in there, I'm sure you will have answers soon!! So sorry you are in pain.I hope things turn around ASAP!!! Take care.. Ken.Peggy Greene <jpgunlimited@...> wrote: , don't give up! I know when I went for my initial consult with Dr. Hey he said if I still had pain after surgery we would work until we found the cause and fix it. I'm sure he feels the same way about you - he likes

to see his patients with a result in a better quality of living and not still in pain. I'm sure he will continue to work with you if you still have problems. I didn't have pain in my sacrum but did have pain in my hip for a long time. He said that was where he did most of the pulling, pushing, inserting, etc. I still have pain in that hip when I sleep on that side. It is still early in our recovery and it may just be that your body takes longer to heal. We all heal at different rates so don't give up yet! I'm sure depression is adding to it. I have been seriously depressed for the past month or so but I know it's the result of the traumatic surgery and will go away eventually. Are you still taking any pain meds? Peggy Re: [ ] Need Help Hello, I'm Gross in North Carolina I've been in this forum, sometimes

posting, sometimes lurking - this is a great place for information and support. Having had revision surgery in May I feel that I'm no better off than I was prior to the surgery in that the pain moved from the lumbar area to the sacrum. I find myself still in enormous pain in sitting, standing and walking.. I can get relief in lying down. My doc. said he believes this to be muscle pain from some of the revision surgery he performed. Prior to this surgery my problem was lumbar and since the fusion to the sacrum that pain has gone but I now hurt below that, in the sacrum area. If anyone can give me words of encouragement, or something positive to look for I would really appreciate it. Bottom line is that I am no more able to function than I was prior to the

revision surgery with the difference being, as I have stated, that the pain and problematic area has moved down to the sacrum. I was so sure that this surgery would improve my life - especially the pain in walking, standing, would have let up. I don't know of any more surgery that can be done - perhaps I've had too much surgery. I am so tired of the pain and at 53 years of age, I feel 90 years plus, just like, or even moreso than prior to my May 2007 revision surgery. Sorry to sound so gloomy - but my surgery just didn't or hasn't yet made a difference. What do people do in this case? Sincerely, G

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[Guest guest]

, as my dear mentor often said to me, "Hang in there; it gets better."

Are you on any pain medication? The anniversary of my last of a series of 3 revision surgeries is tomorrow, and I won't be completely off the methadone until Friday. We're all different, and my neurosurgery necessitated some deep fusion mass and vertebral cutting and the replacement of all my hardware, but my point is that I've needed some pain killers for a full year (plus Elavil and Neurontin, which I may always need for suspected fibromyalgia).

It isn't easy being doped up but it beats being in pain! I'm sure your doctor will do what he can to get you out of pain, but you can't expect the fusion to be solid in less than a year, so why expect to be healed up to where you're out of pain? These modern fusion surgeries are a lot more complex and painful than the typical Harrington surgery of the 60s -- 80s.

Sharon

Re: [ ] Need Help

Hello, I'm Gross in North Carolina

I've been in this forum, sometimes posting, sometimes lurking - this is a great place for information and support.

Having had revision surgery in May I feel that I'm no better off than I was prior to the surgery in that the pain moved from the lumbar area to the sacrum. I find myself still in enormous pain in sitting, standing and walking.. I can get relief in lying down. My doc. said he believes this to be muscle pain from some of the revision surgery he performed. Prior to this surgery my problem was lumbar and since the fusion to the sacrum that pain has gone but I now hurt below that, in the sacrum area.

If anyone can give me words of encouragement, or something positive to look for I would really appreciate it. Bottom line is that I am no more able to function than I was prior to the revision surgery with the difference being, as I have stated, that the pain and problematic area has moved down to the sacrum.

I was so sure that this surgery would improve my life - especially the pain in walking, standing, would have let up. I don't know of any more surgery that can be done - perhaps I've had too much surgery. I am so tired of the pain and at 53 years of age, I feel 90 years plus, just like, or even moreso than prior to my May 2007 revision surgery.

Sorry to sound so gloomy - but my surgery just didn't or hasn't yet made a difference. What do people do in this case?

Sincerely, G

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cam,

I'm curious about the entrapment of the subcluneal nerve by scar tissue in a post revision patient. How was this diagnosed? What was the procedure to "fix" it?

Thanks.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I have had a couple of really bad days after I thought I was

starting to notice a little bit of improvement and was feeling

pretty depressed,especially when I read how so many of you are

getting ready to return to work and/or on little or no pain meds at

around the 12 weeek mark (my surgeries were 7/03 and 7/10) and then

there are those of you superwomen out walking for miles! I'm not

even able to walk around the block so when I fire up the computer

and am reminded that I'm not as big a wimp as I thought,well it just

really helped.Last night when attempting to sit down on my shower

chair I felt this horrible feeling in the sacrum like I was stuck

and would never get unstuck for about 2 agonizing seconds but was

able to stand and abort the mission and today I feel like I'm back

to about the 4 week mark,anyone else ever had a similar feeling????--

- In , " Sharon Green "

<sharon.green18@...> wrote:

>

> , as my dear mentor often said to me, " Hang in there;

it gets better. "

>

> Are you on any pain medication? The anniversary of my last of a

series of 3 revision surgeries is tomorrow, and I won't be

completely off the methadone until Friday. We're all different, and

my neurosurgery necessitated some deep fusion mass and vertebral

cutting and the replacement of all my hardware, but my point is that

I've needed some pain killers for a full year (plus Elavil and

Neurontin, which I may always need for suspected fibromyalgia).

>

> It isn't easy being doped up but it beats being in pain! I'm sure

your doctor will do what he can to get you out of pain, but you

can't expect the fusion to be solid in less than a year, so why

expect to be healed up to where you're out of pain? These modern

fusion surgeries are a lot more complex and painful than the typical

Harrington surgery of the 60s -- 80s.

>

> Sharon

>

>

> Re: [ ] Need Help

>

>

> Hello, I'm Gross in North Carolina

>

> I've been in this forum, sometimes posting, sometimes

lurking - this is a great place for information and support.

>

> Having had revision surgery in May I feel that I'm no better

off than I was prior to the surgery in that the pain moved from the

lumbar area to the sacrum. I find myself still in enormous pain in

sitting, standing and walking.. I can get relief in lying down. My

doc. said he believes this to be muscle pain from some of the

revision surgery he performed. Prior to this surgery my problem was

lumbar and since the fusion to the sacrum that pain has gone but I

now hurt below that, in the sacrum area.

>

> If anyone can give me words of encouragement, or something

positive to look for I would really appreciate it. Bottom line is

that I am no more able to function than I was prior to the revision

surgery with the difference being, as I have stated, that the pain

and problematic area has moved down to the sacrum.

>

> I was so sure that this surgery would improve my life -

especially the pain in walking, standing, would have let up. I

don't know of any more surgery that can be done - perhaps I've had

too much surgery. I am so tired of the pain and at 53 years of

age, I feel 90 years plus, just like, or even moreso than prior to

my May 2007 revision surgery.

>

> Sorry to sound so gloomy - but my surgery just didn't or

hasn't yet made a difference. What do people do in this case?

>

> Sincerely, G

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Donna,

My surgeries were 7/16 & 7/23, and I'm nowhere near my physical

abilities that I had before the surgeries. So please don't feel bad

if you're on still on pain meds, not walking miles & miles, etc. If

I had been working before my surgeries, I DEFINATELY would not be

ready to go back yet! And while I have been cutting back on my pain

medication, I know that I am not ready to be completely off of them

yet.

As far as weird feelings like what you described with your shower

chair - yes I've gotten strange feelings like that too. Not quite

what you describe, but sudden sharp pains as I stand up straight,

then it disappears just as fast. And some days I don't feel like I

am doing any better than the day I came home. But overall I DO feel

like am still improving, just slowly and at a different pace than

some others have described.

So hang in there

>

> I have had a couple of really bad days after I thought I was

> starting to notice a little bit of improvement and was feeling

> pretty depressed,especially when I read how so many of you are

> getting ready to return to work and/or on little or no pain meds

at

> around the 12 weeek mark (my surgeries were 7/03 and 7/10) and

then

> there are those of you superwomen out walking for miles! I'm not

> even able to walk around the block so when I fire up the computer

> and am reminded that I'm not as big a wimp as I thought,well it

just

> really helped.Last night when attempting to sit down on my shower

> chair I felt this horrible feeling in the sacrum like I was stuck

> and would never get unstuck for about 2 agonizing seconds but was

> able to stand and abort the mission and today I feel like I'm back

> to about the 4 week mark,anyone else ever had a similar

feeling????--

[Guest guest]

Hi Fancy,

No that In-Liven product isn't okay to have when you have candida,

particularly because of these ingredients:

Other organic ingredients include:

> Rolled Oats, Brown Rice, Wheat Grain, Pearl Barley, Linseed, Kidney

> Beans, Mung Beans, Adzuki Beans, Red Lentils, Chick Peas, Beetroot,

> Sweet Potato, String Beans, Zucchini, Cabbage, Silverbeet, Spinach,

> Chinese Cabbage, Asparagus, Broccoli, Malt Liquid and Molasses as

> well as Saccharomyces Cerevisiae, Saccharomyces Boulardii.

No grains, beans in pods, sweet potatoes, and some others listed are

allowed. And Saccharomyces Boulardii has been known to cause

problems in people who have a depressed immune system.

Buy a probiotic as I describe in my main candida article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

It must state it is Non-Dairy too.

The best, Bee

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> i'm suffering from sever body odor and uncontrollable sweating.

some

> one recommended i try a probiotic called in-liven. I'm about to

order

> it because i'm desperate but i wanted your advice i went on the

site

> and they had a list of the ingredient. i'm not certain its allowed

on

> the program or not.

>

> This is the list.

> In-Liven

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's what it says. We don't consume either one for other

reasons. Processed cheese contains aluminum which they don't tell you.

And table sugar is just bad for thousands of reasons.

>

> Can someone read this and let me know if I am getting this right? Is

> this article saying that there is " calcium propinate " processed cheese

> and table syrup?

>

> The reason a GFCF diet may work for autism as well as ADHD is that one

> is automatically omitting sources of the preservative calcium

> propionate. This compound has been demonstrated to affect behaviour in

> rats by MacFabe, Behavioural Brain Research, 2007;176:149–169 and by

> Dengate, J Paediatr Child Health, 2002;38:373-6.

>

> This preservative is used in bread because it allows yeast to ferment

> yet prevents bacterial spores that survive the cooking process from

> spoiling the cooked bread. Sodium propionate is used in baked goods

> because the calcium form interferes with baking powder.

>

> Most insidious is the use of " modified milk ingredients " . This may

> include whey fermented with a bacterium that produces calcium

> propionate. Food regulations allow this to be called modified milk

> ingredient, and it is not obvious that the food contains this

> preservative. Agri sources on the web identify margarine, soft juices,

> ham, bacon, processed cheese and table syrup as examples. To be safe,

> perhaps one should avoid any modified milk ingredients.

>

> After weaning, the infant's natural flora will be affected by the

> solid foods consumed, with preservatives having a slower but similar

> effect as antibiotics in skewing the gut population. I personally

> think this is why there may be a delay in developing autism, and that

> it is not just antibiotics that affect the gut population. Quite

> recently, it has been shown that treatment of Clostridium overgrowth

> with vancomycin has reversed autism in some subjects.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Is your name ? We like to go by first names on this forum. I'm sorry to

hear your little bubs are so sick after starting Bee's program.

I'm wondering if you started too quickly with the diet for them. One day is too

quickly to start, especially for children. When I started my then 3 year old

son, we gradually took away more and more of the grains and fruits so that he

barely noticed it. It took about a month for him to change over to this diet.

I would think that it might be a good idea for you to back up a bit and

reintroduce some grains and fruits for a while. You don't want to overwhelm

their bodies by doing too much too soon. This is a diet that you want to do for

the long term and by starting out so violently, they may not want to comply.

I'm not Bee, but I would say that giving them some crackers to settle their

tummies might not be a bad idea. You could put some butter on them so as to

start introducing some good fats. Definitely keep giving them the Electrolyte

Drink. That was a really good idea!

Remember that slow and steady wins the race.

>

> Hello, I started my three children, ages 8, 6 and 4 on the candida diet

yesterday so as to kill the candida that I am sure they all have. They did such

a good job yesterday complying with not having grains, sugar and fruit. Today

they all woke up with horrible stomach aches and the two youngest have thrown up

several times. <snip>

Any other suggestions would be great. Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello, I started my three children, ages 8, 6 and 4 on the candida diet

yesterday so as to kill the candida that I am sure they all have.

+++Hi there. It is important to understand that candida is not cured by

" killing it off, " since it doesn't work that way. The only way to cure candida

is by building up the immune system so it becomes strong enough to " make "

candida " change back " in the friendly organism it was before it changed into an

overgrowing monster.

" Proper nutrients " (my diet plus supplements) is the most important factor that

builds up the immune system.

is right that " slow and steady wins the race " so it is important to

gradually change over to this program, so that die-off symptoms aren't so

severe. Ensure you follow " Curing Candida, How to Get Started " with your

children:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

Also see Candida Treatments for Babies & Children:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php

I agree with that giving them some crackers at this point in time would

be okay, if it helps settle their stomach.

The best to you and your children.

Bee

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for your reply. I think you are right that it was a little quick, but

we had already gone off of cheese and refined white sugar and had been taking

coconut oil and cod liver oil and butter for quite some time. I think I wanted

to get them all on the same page in a " combined effort " before my two older

kiddos went back to school after spring break (which is now wrapping up) so that

they could have a little more strength to turn down the many opportunities they

have to eat all the wrong things. Before we started I explained to them what we

were doing and why and we said a prayer together and then throughout the day we

all supported each other. It was really quite sweet.

I am grateful for your response mostly for my youngest who in the middle of the

day while she was home with my husband snuck some crackers (her weakness). At

first I told her that I was sad that she did that but I understood why and then

after reading your response I told her that I was not sad and it was okay and

that she was just doing the best she could for her little body. She got teary

eyed and gave me a hug. Sweet girl!

Today is a better day. My oldest said, " I feel great today! " My youngest is

much better and enthusiastic about continuing. It's my 6 year old daughter that

I am most concerned about. She couldn't keep even the electrolyte drink down

yesterday and had flu-like symptoms all day. I finally fed her some dinner of

salmon broiled in coconut oil and green beans with butter. She ate a little,

didn't throw up and is feeling well enough to move to the couch this morning. I

have always known that she has had it the worse because she had thrush and colic

as an infant and was " diagnosed " by a holistic healer as hypoglycemic at age 2.

Since then we have been following the Weston A. Price Foundation traditional

diet and have seen major improvements, but I knew it was time for something more

aggressive. I'm very excited about Bee's candida program. I can already tell

that it is going to make a wonderful difference.

Thanks again. I'm glad to have this forum as a support.

-

> >

> > Hello, I started my three children, ages 8, 6 and 4 on the candida diet

yesterday so as to kill the candida that I am sure they all have. They did such

a good job yesterday complying with not having grains, sugar and fruit. Today

they all woke up with horrible stomach aches and the two youngest have thrown up

several times. <snip>

> Any other suggestions would be great. Thank you.

> >

>