My Intro

[Guest guest]

Welcome. if you feel starved maybe you are eating the wrong foods? OR maybe you should try the 1800 card for a week and see if you see a difference. REMEMBER food is your fuel and EXERCISE is your energy. Something like that.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

Welcome to the group. I'm fairly new here too. I'm sure someone will step in

with some great advice for you. I have read a lot about sugar ans Autisim.

There is a connection.

Sorry, I couldn't offer more at this time.

Good Luck! This is a great support group, I hope to see you stick around a

while.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

> Can I ask if anyone has done the specific carbohydrate diet for

> candida and whether it has any effect on candida? I suspect it

> would have some.

>

> It's a current very successful autism diet, but really used to

> cure things like celiac disease, ulcerative colitis.

Hi Donna,

One problem with the SCD is that this diet prohibits

fermentable carbohydrates in the diet. What this means is

fermentation by the 'good' bacteria is unduly limited, while

you're still putting foods in there that are fermentable by the

'bad' bacteria and by the neutrals. This goes against millennia

of evolution in which the good bacteria have controlled the bad

in the human gut. The diet allows pre-fermented food and

bacterial culture, but the good bacteria, denied the food they

need, may fail to populate the colon walls like they are

supposed to.

Another problem is that people with Crohn's, colitis and IBD

have low glutathione, an antioxidant and detoxifier that can be

completely depleted in the bowel lining at the site of injury.

Ahhh, but the SCD also makes the precursors to make more

glutathione (cold-processed whey) an illegal food, so how are

you going to make the quantity of your natural master

antioxidant and detoxifier that regaining your health calls

for?

Using both of these products, you may find you don't need the

restrictive SCD at all, and can go back to regular non-SCD

diet. The majority have found that using these foods, or even

relaxing the SCD to include these foods is very beneficial.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Welcome Lynette!

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

Vaccine Information or vaccinetruth.org

[Guest guest]

Welcome Lynette and congrats on your pregnancy. You'll find a lot of

good info here. I always considered myself to be pretty knowledgeable on

the reasons not to vax (I am unvaxed and so are my children). After

joining this group, I realized I still have a lot to learn! *Lots* of

knowledgeable people here though to help out!

unvaxed mommy to Jaeden and Kendra (also both unvaxed)

My intro

Hi, my name is Lynette and I live in California. In the past few

years I have been reading and implementing many natural rearing

techniques and ideas with my 11 year old child and our pets. We buy

organic food when we can, avoid medicine and antiobiotics, and the

dogs are all on raw food and no vaccs. Now after 5 years of trying,

I am pregnant with our second child and I realized that while not

vaccinating the pets is scary enough after years of brain washing, I

needed to research the effects on babies and children too. Of

course, once I scratched the surface it became so overwhelming that I

knew I needed to find a email group since it is my experience that

people like you all know the best places to go for good information

and facts. I still have not read through all the info available on

the groups homepage so I will probably start in with the questions

after I do some reading

Thanks!

Lynette

[Guest guest]

Welcome Lynette

My name is and I also am on my second pregnancy - due Oct. 23 - so

hoping to not have a Hallowe'en baby! My first baby - Mitch is now 4 and I

am happy that I came upon this group - I chose to discontinue his

vaccinations at 4 mos. - he had his 4 mos. shot, an eczema-like condition

flared up yet again and I chose to research why, it continued to appear. I

came across a single website at the time linking eczema to vaccines and

that's when we stopped going to the doctor. Shortly after that I found this

wonderful group and have listened to their sage advice since.

As well my dog is raw fed and no vaccs - with a homeopathic remedy to remedy

his hypothyroid condition.

The group here is a fount of useful information and if a member doesn't

know, they surely can find a link to the information you are seeking.

Good luck in your research, I feel you have made a great choice by ending up

here!

Sider

Mom to , friend to Indy, the buckskin pitbull and Taco, the Gunsmoke

gelding

Remember, one day you're a hero. . . the next a zero!

jsider@...

[Guest guest]

Welcome back !

Sounds like you've been very busy while you've been away. There a

quite a few folks here who work with goats milk, so I'm sure you'll

find someone who can help you out with the how-to's.

Colleen

Country Meadow Creations

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Hi, and welcome to our list! I love the name of your farm ... it sounds so

relaxing and nice! I really hope that you enjoy it here. I'm nne, 28

years old, and living in Columbia County, NY. I mainly make melt-and-pour

soap, bath salts, lip balms, and other regular stuff. I'm a graphic

designer by profession. I have a blog at

http://bathtubjunkie.star-shaped.org/. Looking forward to talking with you

more!

nne

[Guest guest]

Welcome Carla, there is a lot of information to learn from the

people on this site. Sit back, listen and ask questions.

Dick

> Message

> Hi group,

> My name is Carla. I am from Nebraska. I am 26 and suffer from

> Psoriatic Arthritis. I am also legally blind. Recently within

the last

> month, I have left

> my job due to the physical demands it has put upon me. I was

working

> for an agency that provides services to those with developmental

and

> physical disabilities.

> I worked for the agency for 5 years...and I had to leave because

their

> was too much lifting involved. I was transfering individuals of

120lbs

> or so,

> and also have a herniated disk in my back. It is so hard for me

these

> past few weeks as I have felt so strange not working. I loved my

job,

> and would

> do it again in a heart beat if my body would allow it. I know

that the

> fact I am overweight doesn't help, but sometimes I am in so much

pain I

> don't know

> what else to do but stay in bed, and rest. I am also a student at

our

> community college going for a business degree with a focus in

health

> care so I can

> someday do the administrative side of the field and not injure

myself

> any further.

> I hope to gain more insite on how to deal with this frustrating

> condition, and meet new people.

> Look forward to being in the group.

>

> Carla, Jacques, (The Little Golden Boy) & Sandy (Kitty)

> claesch@n...

> Our Webpage

> www.geocities.com/prayingkitty/

> ID " prayingkitty@y...

> MSN ID " claesch@n...

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Carla, Welcome to our group. You have found a wonderful group of

knowledgeable and caring people. As you probably know from the medical

field sometimes those two things don't always go together. I'm so sorry you

have such a heavy load to carry with PA and being blind. I know most of us

feel like we are handling all we can and couldn't face another problem.

When we read about someone like you, we realize just how lucky we are and we

need to count our blessings when we can. So many times you never realize

what you have until you lose it. I know when my asthma gets bad almost

everytime, I'm amazed at how I always just take breathing for granted, until

I can't do it anymore.

I'm so sorry you have to quit work. Maybe it won't be forever and you'll be

able to go back. Going to college is such a smart thing to do and can only

help you in the future. More and more jobs are being done at home on the

Internet so maybe something will open up to you there. Of course, the

problem with the Internet is the lack of human contact. I know I miss that

the most since I haven't worked in over 3 years now. It does take time to

get used to not working or being home. Sometimes at first you are almost

relieved because the pain is so bad and just trying to get to work each day

is such a hassle. But it does get old quickly and going to school will help

you stay busy.

The most important piece of advice I can give you is to find the best

rheumatologist you can to treat you. I have gone through 5 in the past 5

years and finally have one that I have pretty happy with. I'm not normally

a picky person, but it seems like so many specialists are overworked and

have too many patients to listen or treat us with the care and understanding

everyone deserves.

I'm sure as you read the messages you'll realize just how many of us are

constantly searching for the " right " doctor. You need one who knows a lot

about PA and has treated it often. They are like any other group of

people, some are great and some are stinkers. You just have to find the

best one for you.

Welcome and write anytime. I'm glad you found us. Sincerely, Fran in

Florida

---Original Message-----

From: Carla Kay Laesch [mailto:claesch@...]

Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:36 AM

Subject: [ ] my intro

Message

Hi group,

My name is Carla. I am from Nebraska. I am 26 and suffer from

Psoriatic Arthritis. I am also legally blind. Recently within the last

month, I have left

my job due to the physical demands it has put upon me. I was working

for an agency that provides services to those with developmental and

physical disabilities.

I worked for the agency for 5 years...and I had to leave because their

was too much lifting involved. I was transfering individuals of 120lbs

or so,

and also have a herniated disk in my back. It is so hard for me these

past few weeks as I have felt so strange not working. I loved my job,

and woulddo it again in a heart beat if my body would allow it. I know that

the

fact I am overweight doesn't help, but sometimes I am in so much pain I

don't know

what else to do but stay in bed, and rest. I am also a student at our

community college going for a business degree with a focus in health

care so I can

someday do the administrative side of the field and not injure myself

any further.

I hope to gain more insite on how to deal with this frustrating

condition, and meet new people.

Look forward to being in the group.

Carla, Jacques, (The Little Golden Boy) & Sandy (Kitty)

claesch@...

Our Webpage

www.geocities.com/prayingkitty/

ID " prayingkitty@...

MSN ID " claesch@...

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome Carla,

Hope you get good advice when you need it and any questions you might have

answered. The people here are great and very caring.

Sorry to hear you had to give up your job. I had to do the same last year

but at least I won't say I loved my job. Lol

Hope to hear from you again soon.

[Guest guest]

Hi Fran,

Thanks for such a neat response. It isn't really difficult with the

blindness as I have been blind all my life. However, it is difficult

traveling around sometimes. Some days my hips are so soar that I can't

use my Seeing Eye Dog cause he has a slight pull and that agriviates the

PA. Then their are days that my right had bothers me. Thus, I am right

handed and use the cane in that hand. That is the times I am greatful

for the dog cause he travels on my left. However, the arthritis is in

my left hip more than my right...and that is where the back injury also

is.

I am glad I found such a great group. I have been looking for this for

a long time. Yes school does keep me busy.

Guess that is all, will talk to you soon.

carla

[Guest guest]

-Hi Carla,

Welcome! Good to have a fellow nebraskan in our group. I am in Omaha.

Hope the group will help you as much as it has helped me...

What medication are you taking?

Regards.

Marti

[Guest guest]

hi marti and group,

well all the meds I'm on, I feel like a pharmacy, does anyone else? lol

I take Paxil, Xanax, a pre-natal vitamin for folic acid and iron,

methotrexate, Vioxx, Ambien, those are fairly on a regular basis...my

prn''s are Guifenisen for allergies congestion, and Hydrocodone for my

back pain. Think that is all I can't remember all of them...lol.

I have been diagnosed with PA for about the last two to three years. It

has been difficult as it is in my hips, my right knee, and my right hand

some.

well that is all I can think of.

Carla

[Guest guest]

Dear Carla, I think you are an inspiration to all of us. We all know how

difficult it is living with PA, and you are dealing with blindness along

with the pain. I really do admire your courage and your determination. I " m

so glad you found us. Take care, Fran

RE: [ ] my intro

Hi Fran,

Thanks for such a neat response. It isn't really difficult with the

blindness as I have been blind all my life. However, it is difficult

traveling around sometimes. Some days my hips are so soar that I can't

use my Seeing Eye Dog cause he has a slight pull and that agriviates the

PA. Then their are days that my right had bothers me. Thus, I am right

handed and use the cane in that hand. That is the times I am greatful

for the dog cause he travels on my left. However, the arthritis is in

my left hip more than my right...and that is where the back injury also

is.

I am glad I found such a great group. I have been looking for this for

a long time. Yes school does keep me busy.

Guess that is all, will talk to you soon.

carla

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/31/2004 8:25:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

claesch@... writes:

hi marti and group,

well all the meds I'm on, I feel like a pharmacy, does anyone else? lol

I take Paxil, Xanax, a pre-natal vitamin for folic acid and iron,

methotrexate, Vioxx, Ambien, those are fairly on a regular basis...my

prn''s are Guifenisen for allergies congestion, and Hydrocodone for my

back pain. Think that is all I can't remember all of them...lol.

Hi Carla,

When I list all my meds I feel like a freak sometimes. I just went to a

new doctor to switch my thyroid med from Synthroid to Armour thyroid and I had

to list all my meds for him. He looked at me in disbelief. I also told him

all the surgeries and problems I have and I think he looked a little taken

back. He said to me that I have " metabolic syndrome " . He used that term for

all the auto-immune crap going on in my body, I know I am not alone here.

Janet

[Guest guest]

HELLO ROBIN, WELCOME TO THE GROUP. I THINK THAT YOU WILL FIND THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO COME TO VENT WHEN YOU NEED TO DO THAT AND TO GET HELP AND SUPPORT. WE ALL HAVE CHRONIC PAIN TO DEAL WITH.AS I SAID , THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO COME TO WHEN YOU NEED TO TALK OR TO JUST SHARE WHAT IS GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A GOOD AND SUPPORTIVE FAMILY TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR PAIN AND TO BE THERE FOR YOU.

HOPE THAT WE WILL BE OF HELP TO YOU.

TAKE AS BEST CARE AS YOU CAN ,AND BE SAFE.

MAY YOU HAVE A BETTER DAY TODAY THAN YESTERDAY AND NOT AS GOOD A DAY AS TOMORROW.

Robin <group_mail@...> wrote:

My name is Robin. I live in Chattanooga, Tennesse. I am originally from Virginia Beach, VA...I miss Virgina sometimes, but I love living in Tennessee. It is a beautiful state. Gorgeous mountains, lots to see and do,very friendly people.

I am not good at dates, so I apologize for that now.

I have had 2 surgeries. One a lamenectomy. Which resulted in nerve root damage and "foot drop". The other was to repair that damage and remove scar tissue and disc fragments. Neither was ver successful and I am now looking at a fusion L4-5. I am in constant pain all day. I have had ESI's that did not work, PT numerous times, a TENS unit which helped somewhat, and have had all different types of pain meds. I hate them and will avoid taking them at all costs...I like reading books by authors Anne Rice , King and Dean Koontz. I also enjoy making graphic signatures using Paint Shop Pro. I am learning HTML with Budding HTML Gurus and really enjoy making my own web pages. I like horseback riding, swimming, and just being outdoors. K..enough about me, lemme tell ya about my wonderful family...I am married to a wonderful man named Teddy. We have been married for 16 years. He is really into Nascar and loves Dale Earnhardt, building model cars, and really loves anything to do with the Titanic. Not the

movie, the actual ship.... Personally, I have loved every minute of our marriage and have never looked back, he may beg to differ sometimes..LOL! I have a son, , who is 15. He is into computers, computer games like Diablo, Command and Conquer, and also likes the video games on Playstation 2. He is also just getting interested in a j.o.b LOL! He does well in school, and is an all around good kid.I have a younger brother, , who still lives in Virginia. He works for the military doing accounting. He is in a bowling league. I really miss him alot. But he comes to Tennessee whenever he can to visit. We have a dog, Duchess. She is a Dalmatian. She is about 6 years old and is spoiled rotten..LOL! She loves to play with our son, chase cats, and really likes a good game of toss with a two litre bottle...LOL!Well, that's about it. I hope you enjoyed reading about me and my family.

Hugs,

RobinREMEMBER ALL OF OUR MEN AND

WOMEN IN THE ARMED SERVICE OF OUR NATION

PRAY THAT THEY MAY BE SAFE

AND SOUND IN BODY AND MIND

[Guest guest]

Maybe she is talking about when we gave Indians in the deep of winter,

blankets covered with smallpox. My thought is not enough food around for the

winter.

They were stressed, immune systems were down and some contracted smallpox.

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

Vaccine Information or vaccinetruth.org

[Guest guest]

When a disease 'hits' a population that has never been exposed before (in

their genetic history), there are deaths.

It doesn't mean a child who has never been exposed before will die.

Sheri

At 09:36 AM 10/21/2004 EDT, you wrote:

>

>Maybe she is talking about when we gave Indians in the deep of winter,

>blankets covered with smallpox. My thought is not enough food around for

the winter.

>They were stressed, immune systems were down and some contracted smallpox.

>

>All the best,

>

> " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

>be

>given to their children "

>Vaccine Information or vaccinetruth.org

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

on 10/21/04 8:43 AM, Sheri Nakken at vaccineinfo@... wrote:

When a disease 'hits' a population that has never been exposed before (in

their genetic history), there are deaths.

It doesn't mean a child who has never been exposed before will die.

<<< right .. ) I guess I should've clarified why I thought this was

strange. The indians had knowledge of herbs and how to treat themselves. SO

then why was there so many that died off? It seems that with all their

knowledge and experiance that they wouldn't have died UNLESS they went to

the *white man* to be treated... which is a posssibility!?

any proof of historical documents? just interested...

love

heather

[Guest guest]

good question.

It may not even be true, ....................just a myth that gets

carried along.

I wonder..........

At 08:58 AM 10/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>

>on 10/21/04 8:43 AM, Sheri Nakken at vaccineinfo@... wrote:

>

>When a disease 'hits' a population that has never been exposed before (in

>their genetic history), there are deaths.

>It doesn't mean a child who has never been exposed before will die.

>

>

>

><<< right .. ) I guess I should've clarified why I thought this was

>strange. The indians had knowledge of herbs and how to treat themselves. SO

>then why was there so many that died off? It seems that with all their

>knowledge and experiance that they wouldn't have died UNLESS they went to

>the *white man* to be treated... which is a posssibility!?

>

>any proof of historical documents? just interested...

>

>love

>heather

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<right .. ) I guess I should've clarified why I thought this was

strange. The indians had knowledge of herbs and how to treat themselves.

SO then why was there so many that died off? It seems that with all

their knowledge and experiance that they wouldn't have died UNLESS they

went to the *white man* to be treated... which is a posssibility!?>>

If it was a new disease to their genetics they would not have known how

to treat it either. :-/

Ohio

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born 6/28/97;

and Shayna, born 6/1/00.

Vaccine free since 1999! See our site and get more vaccine info at

http://www.loonatics-fringe.com

For Ohio specific Vaccine Info - http://groups.msn.com/OhioVaxInfo/

[Guest guest]

Yes. It is true. I believe it was Smallpox.

> My name is Doak. I research and learn about why it is good

for

> people NOT to vaccinate. I have three children who have never been

to a

> doctor or had any vaccines. )

>

> I am here to learn and glean.

>

> I do have one question, a friend of mine just told me it was *common

> knowledge* that the indians died from the west man's diseases cause

they

> weren't immnue..... humm..... I had never heard of this. Has anyone

here?

> Would you be willing to pass on some information about it?

>

> Thanks in Advance...

>

[Guest guest]

There is proof of their deaths, but the actual number is not known.

This disease is virile and their sleeping and eating habits spread

it. I would wonder if they isolated sick tribe members from

eachother?

>

> When a disease 'hits' a population that has never been exposed

before (in

> their genetic history), there are deaths.

> It doesn't mean a child who has never been exposed before will die.

>

>

>

> <<< right .. ) I guess I should've clarified why I thought this

was

> strange. The indians had knowledge of herbs and how to treat

themselves. SO

> then why was there so many that died off? It seems that with all

their

> knowledge and experiance that they wouldn't have died UNLESS they

went to

> the *white man* to be treated... which is a posssibility!?

>

> any proof of historical documents? just interested...

>

> love

> heather

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Welcome from Edmonton, Alberta. Which island are you living on?

Being a newbie to the notion of fermenting, live food etc., I haven't

participated very much with this group however I have learned alot from reading

the posts. I am inspired by the " lively intelligence " of the group.

Regards, vsp

jeffrey lane <humulu@...> wrote:

HI everyone, I found this group the day after I posted this message on another

group. It was very satisfying to see reflected back to me by a group of

like-minded people some of the sentiments and ideas I have come to over the last

while. I am very appreciative of all the work the moderator has done here-Thank

You-as well as the lively intelligence and practical insights of so many others.

My present location is on an island off the west coast of Canada. My journey

through life thus far has included explorations in " more-so " natural healing

techniques as well as a strong need to put a spiritual perspective within all of

that. In other words- the " juice " of life and being in it's most simple and

elegant way, as well as some bold yet grounded and discriminatory ideas and

knowledge and practices to live well in this body-mind whilst I'm here;now. That

has been quite a trip thus far. The upshot for me now is, I am a one-off, as I

think we all are, and science will never " describe "

me perfectly or adequately, so that I can put my faith fully in any of that

knowledge, beyond what my experience, intuition and common sense trust and guide

me to do. I think these of people finding their own way, often out

on the edge of commonly accepted practices, are as scientific as anything else.

I haven't done much yet to do my own fermenting, but see it as a hugely

promising way to go. I like the feel I get from some EM discussions as well as

Kefir and sauerkraut, juice I think, for me. May the Blessings BE,

My first post here, Hi and thanks everyone for sharing so many

ideas. I've been " lurking " (I don't really like that description but

apparently it's in common useage on-line) around a few health

related sites on CFS et al, as well as having about 30 years

of interest and trial and error research in this so-called natural

health and healing field; I mean everything we do on this planet in

medicine or otherwise is in someway part of and connected to nature.

I guess it's more about how closely allied we are with a higher

order of understanding about how it all works----well. And how we

function within that grand scope. As much as I need to admit I seem

to discover more or new ideas,concepts ,information almost every day

(much to my chagrin at times because I never seem able to quite

get " there', where I'm some sort of expert on at least something in

this continually broadening field of life understanding), I do want

to profer a couple of my own semi-conclusions about what may be

useful tools for healing.In an ecological sense, might we see from

that paradigm of balance in the body, whereby if there is an

adequate supply of beneficial micro-organisms, coming from diet and

supplementation, the GI tract and the body ecology as a whole can

find it's higher equilibrium, and we can get away to large degree

from this kill the invaders mentality whereby there are these

continually herculean efforts made to get the " bad guys " out by

force. I've done a good bit of that myself, as well as the' support

the immune system while supporting your health food and supplement

industry as well', approach. Well, I've lost faith a bit there, lots

o' money and time too. I never really had much faith in so-called

mainstream medicine; too much acceptence of side-effects for my

taste, just as today for the most?part many in the " more " natural

approach to healing accept heavy duty " herxing " as acceptable and

neccesary even. I'm not even so sure about that anymore, maybe that

too is a kind of ignorance of a more nuanced and comprehensive

wisdom about how the body can heal and recover it " s optimal ecology

and balance. So, my instincts at this time suggest, we aren't going

back anytime soon or at all to where vitality seemed more available

just by being close to nature itself. We do, most of us,live in

cities or are profoudly affected by the changes wrought by science

and industry, a good part of that in the negative--pollution, poor

food quality, etc. So a conscious participation in really

understanding how energy gets made or interfered with, will be a

continuing necessity in the coming days. I do think part of that

revolution in moving from unconscious and often supersticious ways

of knowing and being to conscious and yet necesarily intuitive as

well, can open doors of how to weed and feed the body we are/have,so

it can thrive again, or at the least not be in such pain and

distress. These thoughts are reminiscent of biological terrain

concepts as well as ancient-new understandings of

probiotics,fermented(pre-digested)foods and drinks and the neccesary

ingredients of the primordial soup(or perhaps a good broth or stock)

that encourage and permit the body-electric to sing it's special

song.I can't think of any one company or health specialist that has

a monopoly on the products or ideas that will " do it all " , cause we

really are all unique(in this together, by ourselves) and the age we

are in seems so much more about creatively taking responsibility for

our lives, while we seek out the wisdom we need, often through

others,than it is expecting one source alone to provide all the answers;

the way the almost priesthood of doctors and scientists were

regarded in recent times.They may become much valued co-workers on a

team I assemble to do some(self)work, but they sure as hell ain't

the boss of me- as my inner five year old might say. Another time I

might share some more specific ideas(on the ground) but I'll leave

by pointing towards being a system within a system and so on;the

air, water, food , microbes etc., we breathe, drink, ingest are are

a reflection of the thoughts we think too, the glass we view

through; are we at war? at peace, or could we be? Depends, I think

neither, too simplistic, we're ALIVE. That's an ever changing

dynamism reflective of the changing nature of that LIFE. Thanks for

letting me share a few thoughts here. Adios,for now

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Do you ?

- You care about security. So do we.

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