Re: Here's my intro....

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On Feb 5, 2008 3:49 PM, Kuykendall <windravyn@...> wrote:

The Bifidus issue is a tricky one. Elaine believed that bifidus had atendency to overgrow if supplemented and that those doing the SCD wereparticularly at risk for overgrowth. She advised against using any

bifidus strains and focused on yogurt and other fermented foods to getthe most probiotics into the body safely.What kind of Bifidus? All kinds?Ann Marie

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Here's my intro.

I have read both GAP and SCD books and a zillion others about gut health.

I have bought the supplements and am starting my sick teen son on the

supplements. He already did the GAPS diet for 10 days, but he is

undergoing a lot of medical tests, and said he wanted to stop the diet,

and if the medical tests didn't find something, then he'll try the diet

later, he really really doesn't want to do yet another restrictive diet.

After the 10 days of diet, he also started eating gluten for the first

time after over a year, and his nose (which is chronically congested

anyway) got really really congested so he went back off gluten after only

a week of pure pizza heaven, and the worst of his nasal congestion dried

up. While on the GAPS diet, he noticed that he felt worse and wanted to

know what I was feeding him new and different, and I'd say it was the

nuts/coconut flour muffins and more honey than usual.

He has been sick for nearly 2 years now and most of that time he has been

non-functional, as in he dropped out of high school, and spends most of

his time either sleeping or watching TV, he is in constant discomfort/

pain (abdominal and pelvic floor), suffers from insomnia, depression,

anxiety, generally has loosely formed stools but rarely has diarrhea,

bowel motility issues, lots of burping/bloating, teen acne. He's also

afraid of flying, claustrophobic, and avoids elevators when there is the

option of taking stairs. He has become very isolated over this period of

time. He has been on a regimen of revolving pain and anxiety meds for

several months now, as he ran out of the inner strength to cope with the

constant discomfort/pain. He has received a zillion diagnoses including:

gluten/dairy intolerance, multiple food allergies, leaky gut, bad gut

bugs, dysbiosis (guess all of those are kind of the same thing); chronic

fatigue maybe, lyme & bartonella (another tick-borne illness),

depression/anxiety, IBS, mold/yeast allergies, and pelvic floor pain/

muscle tension.

He has taken many many supplements & herbal formulas, homeopathic

remedies, done a couple very restrictive diets, taken a bunch of drugs

(NSAI's, nystatin, antibiotics, a motility drug, muscle relaxants), tried

chinese abdominal massage, and physical therapy. Nothing has helped much

so far. We have a stack of medical test results about 2 - 3 inches

thick and we don't really even know for sure what all is causing his

problems. He has seen gp's, gastroenterologists, integrative medicine

docs, an allergist/immunologist, an OD, naturopaths, homeopaths, muscle

testers, a neurologist, a motility specialist, urologists, a

psychiatrist, and he is about to undergo neuropsych testing with a

psychologist, and attend a pelvic pain program. Needless to say, we

have spent lots of $'s on all this.

Several of his doctors think he should try the GAPS diet. I think Dr.

Cowan (Fourfold Healing San Fransisco) believes this is his

problem. I'd say Drs. (OD Santa Cruz) and Win Bertrand (MD

integrative medicine Santa ) think he should do it as another " rule

out " . If he tries this diet and it doesn't help, then I will truly

believe that no diet can help him, other than it's good to eat nutrient

dense foods, & we already eat NT. And even when he cheats, I have to

laugh. He went out and bought Frosted Flakes the other day--total junk

cereal--but at least he ate it with raw milk!! And I try to find

something to laugh about every day, laughter is truly a great, and free,

medicine, and we need it more than ever!!

The rest of the family is pretty healthy, although I would have to guess

that I am the starting source of my son's leaky gut, if indeed it is

leaky. My mom stopped breastfeeding me after 1 week (her doc said I was

allergic to her milk with my projectile vomiting), antibiotics handed out

like candy when I was a teen/young adult, a few years on the pill, a

mouth full of amalgams.... In reading the book, there were so many things

that fit both for me as the mom and for my son, not everything, but a

lot...but proof is in the pudding, if I can get him on the diet, it will

either help or not and that will be our answer. I plan to try GAPS if &

when my son goes on the diet, but I really don't want to give up raw milk

and yogurt, or coffee, we'll see.

My younger son is very healthy, and hardly ever goes to the doctor. The

complete opposite of my older son who has been sick off and on his entire

life. My younger son does have dark circles under his eyes though, so

probably has some allergies. I just don't have time to worry about it

though. But, the younger one likes any and all food, not picky like the

older one, I could actually put him on the GAPS diet quite easily.

For those of you in the SF Bay Area who know me, of course I trust that

you will keep this confidential, since it is more about my son than about me.

Sue V.

San Francisco

Mom of 2 boys

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Yes, any bifidus strains.

K

>

> >

> > The Bifidus issue is a tricky one. Elaine believed that bifidus had a

> > tendency to overgrow if supplemented and that those doing the SCD were

> > particularly at risk for overgrowth. She advised against using any

> > bifidus strains and focused on yogurt and other fermented foods to get

> > the most probiotics into the body safely.

> >

> >

> What kind of Bifidus? All kinds?

>

> Ann Marie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue. For many with damaged guts the nuts are just too advanced to

be starting out with. Many people fail on SCD/GAPS because they don't

give the gut a chance to heal before relying heavily on nuts in the

diet. Coconut is a very advanced food only well tolerated by most

after some period of healing on easier to digest foods. Too much honey

in the beginning can contribute to yeast problems as well. I recommend

doing the intro diet found here:

http://pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html#intro and then slowly adding

in foods to test for tolerance. Doing it this way is the only real way

to find out what your son can digest properly and what he can't, to

find out what foods make him feel worse and what foods make him feel

better. If you are feeding foods, even SCD/GAPS legal ones, that he

can't tolerate than you really aren't winning the battle or healing as

much as you possibly can.

K

>

While on the GAPS diet, he noticed that he felt worse and wanted to

> know what I was feeding him new and different, and I'd say it was the

> nuts/coconut flour muffins and more honey than usual.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I would get him to Dr. Rowen in Santa , CA. He is one of the very best alternative MD's in the USA. Another great MD is Shellenberger in Carson City, Nevada. Both excellent in this type of problem.

[ ] Re: Here's my intro....

Here's my intro.I have read both GAP and SCD books and a zillion others about gut health.I have bought the supplements and am starting my sick teen son on thesupplements. He already did the GAPS diet for 10 days, but he isundergoing a lot of medical tests, and said he wanted to stop the diet,and if the medical tests didn't find something, then he'll try the dietlater, he really really doesn't want to do yet another restrictive diet.After the 10 days of diet, he also started eating gluten for the firsttime after over a year, and his nose (which is chronically congestedanyway) got really really congested so he went back off gluten after onlya week of pure pizza heaven, and the worst of his nasal congestion driedup. While on the GAPS diet, he noticed that he felt worse and wanted toknow what I was feeding him new and different, and I'd say it was thenuts/coconut flour muffins and more honey than usual.He has been sick for nearly 2 years now and most of that time he has beennon-functional, as in he dropped out of high school, and spends most ofhis time either sleeping or watching TV, he is in constant discomfort/pain (abdominal and pelvic floor), suffers from insomnia, depression,anxiety, generally has loosely formed stools but rarely has diarrhea,bowel motility issues, lots of burping/bloating, teen acne. He's alsoafraid of flying, claustrophobic, and avoids elevators when there is theoption of taking stairs. He has become very isolated over this period oftime. He has been on a regimen of revolving pain and anxiety meds forseveral months now, as he ran out of the inner strength to cope with theconstant discomfort/pain. He has received a zillion diagnoses including:gluten/dairy intolerance, multiple food allergies, leaky gut, bad gutbugs, dysbiosis (guess all of those are kind of the same thing); chronicfatigue maybe, lyme & bartonella (another tick-borne illness),depression/anxiety, IBS, mold/yeast allergies, and pelvic floor pain/muscle tension.He has taken many many supplements & herbal formulas, homeopathicremedies, done a couple very restrictive diets, taken a bunch of drugs(NSAI's, nystatin, antibiotics, a motility drug, muscle relaxants), triedchinese abdominal massage, and physical therapy. Nothing has helped muchso far. We have a stack of medical test results about 2 - 3 inchesthick and we don't really even know for sure what all is causing hisproblems. He has seen gp's, gastroenterologists, integrative medicinedocs, an allergist/immunologist, an OD, naturopaths, homeopaths, muscletesters, a neurologist, a motility specialist, urologists, apsychiatrist, and he is about to undergo neuropsych testing with apsychologist, and attend a pelvic pain program. Needless to say, wehave spent lots of $'s on all this.Several of his doctors think he should try the GAPS diet. I think Dr. Cowan (Fourfold Healing San Fransisco) believes this is hisproblem. I'd say Drs. (OD Santa Cruz) and Win Bertrand (MDintegrative medicine Santa ) think he should do it as another "ruleout". If he tries this diet and it doesn't help, then I will trulybelieve that no diet can help him, other than it's good to eat nutrientdense foods, & we already eat NT. And even when he cheats, I have tolaugh. He went out and bought Frosted Flakes the other day--total junkcereal--but at least he ate it with raw milk!! And I try to findsomething to laugh about every day, laughter is truly a great, and free,medicine, and we need it more than ever!! The rest of the family is pretty healthy, although I would have to guessthat I am the starting source of my son's leaky gut, if indeed it isleaky. My mom stopped breastfeeding me after 1 week (her doc said I wasallergic to her milk with my projectile vomiting), antibiotics handed outlike candy when I was a teen/young adult, a few years on the pill, amouth full of amalgams.... In reading the book, there were so many thingsthat fit both for me as the mom and for my son, not everything, but alot...but proof is in the pudding, if I can get him on the diet, it willeither help or not and that will be our answer. I plan to try GAPS if & when my son goes on the diet, but I really don't want to give up raw milkand yogurt, or coffee, we'll see.My younger son is very healthy, and hardly ever goes to the doctor. Thecomplete opposite of my older son who has been sick off and on his entirelife. My younger son does have dark circles under his eyes though, soprobably has some allergies. I just don't have time to worry about itthough. But, the younger one likes any and all food, not picky like theolder one, I could actually put him on the GAPS diet quite easily.For those of you in the SF Bay Area who know me, of course I trust thatyou will keep this confidential, since it is more about my son than about me.Sue V.San FranciscoMom of 2 boys

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I appreciate all the moving stories people have shared, and thanks to Katy for the idea of a round of introductions. It really really helps to hear other people's stories. I have decided that we need to try the intro diet and stages (sigh), based on what you have shared. The one thing that still perplexes me, though, is why there are some differences between SCD and GAPS. I wish there were a way to find out what Dr. Natasha's reasoning is on certain points, because she works with a very compromised patient population herself. I guess we all have to just decide for ourselves, and do some trial and error.

Our story:

Our family of four (two sons, ages almost 8 and 4) are all on the GAPS diet, since 1/1/08. The primary reason is for my oldest son, but we all have issues and I'm hoping we can all benefit. Basic profile:

ds#1: I did not know anything about nutrition when pregnant with him, nor for the years prior, so ate a vegetarian diet perceived as fairly healthy (i.e., Grape Nuts, etc.!). Traumatic c-section birth due to OP position. Breastfed for 3 years. severe eczema from 7 months (all over body), dairy allergies when first introduced (at age 1+), many other food intolerances showed up on a test last year, but we've done all kinds of elimination diets and experimentation and I never could get a handle on what the food issues were. We discovered WAPF and NT when he was about 2, have been eating WAPF-type diet with no processed foods for 5 years. Asthma developed over the past 3 years (i.e., going in the wrong direction, moving from the outside in!). Asthma majorly worse since Fall 2006. Very skinny, some signs of possibly being on the autism spectrum (sensory integration issues, slow on all the physical milestones like skipping, riding without training wheels, etc., doesn't process social cues very well, can draw an exact picture of what your car dashboard looks like, with all the numbers and odometers and everything after only seeing it one time but can't do basic math very easily). Will eat just about anything, thank goodness, except that he hates the fermented veggies and craves carbs and sweets. Like Sue, we have consulted with just about every type of natural/alternative healer there is (including Tom Cowan), none have really ever dealt with the leaky guts issues in an assertive way (taking glutamine was the only prior recommendation). Have spent a fortune trying to heal this child. Are currently working with a classical homeopath who is great, doing GAPS (not in stages but plan to backtrack soon). Supplements include digestive enzymes, clay (to strengthen teeth, which are very weak), licorice capsules (good for the adrenals), CLO, were doing butter oil but that's on hold because of the dairy break, and Bio-Kult (which is breaking the bank!). May try to simplify the supplement regimen soon.

ds#2: Ate a WAPF diet during pregnancy (and he has much better teeth!) and took probiotics (Culturelle) during pregnancy. Another c-section birth, which meant antibiotics at birth. No major problems since then, but he had some constipation around 9 months when he was still exclusively breastfeeding, Cowan thought it was because he wasn't eating solids, I never could really figure it out. Now he has a tendency towards loose stools, and sometimes has diarrhea, but nothing horrible and not all the time. Up until this year, had a tendency to get every single cold going around, and to hang on with the cold for weeks, and a tendency towards bronchitis. Still, he looks a lot more robust and rosy than his brother and has a nice solid body. At age 4+, he is still nursing.

dh: Had oodles of antibiotics in younger years, gets sick all the time and stays sick for ages, chronic back problems since adolescence, hemorrhoids, etc. However, has 3-4 bowel movements a day, which is supposed to be a good sign. Gets absolutely *exhausted* every night at the dinner table after he eats, just completely crashes (this happens to ds#1 too). Is on the diet with some reservations but being a fairly good sport. Eats lots of fruits and cashews to replace his cherished grains, had a real bread/grain addiction.

me: Chronic headaches, chronic eczema on my hands since adolescence, chronic cold sores, teeth and gum problems. Ate a lot of junk food as a kid.

Sorry this has turned into such a tome! We are bound and determined to heal ds#1 and get the rest of us in better shape. I think we'll be doing this diet for a long time to come.

In terms of comments about what to do for school lunches and such: I'm lucky because both my boys will eat soup, they have a thermos lunch of soup or leftover stew or something like that probably 3 out of 5 days. Other days they have sardines, or leftover chicken, or leftover chicken pancakes. We also just ordered some delicious beef sticks and beef jerky from US Wellness Meats that only have salt and SCD legal spices in them, those have been good for snacks (although I'm going to have to figure out how to make my own because it's not sustainable financially). I also just made homemade liverwurst, am hoping the boys will go for it. All of those things may not be okay at the intro and early stages of SCD, however. They like drinking chicken broth with a little salt in it, I try to make sure they are getting lots of broth every day.

Thanks, everyone!

in Chapel Hill

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For those of you in the SF Bay Area who know me, of course I trust that

you will keep this confidential, since it is more about my son than about me.

Sue V.

San Francisco

Mom of 2 boys

No worries, Sue. Has he had his mercury levels tested?

Peace,

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I think the difference is that Seacure is not cooked

and the protein is already broken down and thus more

bioavailable. If you have a digestive tract that

isn't working well, it probably can't use cooked

protein as well as it can use a raw, predigested

protein. Also, there might be more good substances

(cofactors?) available with the Seacure that gets

lost when cooking fish/meat. I notice that my body

responds much differently to raw fish (ie. Ceviche)

than to cooked fish. Same with raw meat.

Nutritionist Aajonus Vonderplanitz (as well as

others) advocate raw animal food diets and often get

phenomenal results where all other diets have failed.

For me, I don't want to eat that much raw protein,

but the seacure is easy and similar in results.

I think that with Seacure, the body doesn't have to

already be healthy to utilize the protein.

Barb

Hmm, interesting, I've never heard of seacure

before. I'm not sure I

understand what is so special about it. It is just

white fish, right?

We already eat a lot of fish. Can you enlighten me?

K

>

> I never see this talked about on such lists but in

> the alternative/natural health community one of the

> supplements used most successfully to help heal the

> gut is Seacure (go to www.propernutrition.com for

> more info). It is a predigested fish protein that

> helps the gut rebuild and it decreases inflammation.

> It is used extensively with Chron's, IBS and

> Ulcerative Colitis. Children with autism have done

> very well with it as well. They also make a product

> called Intestive - which I haven't used yet - which

> combines seacure, colostrum and a soothing herb.

>

> Seacure has low allergy potential because it is

> already broken down, is mercury free and doesn't have

> a lot of other stuff in it.

>

> Years ago, I did a stupid thing and got a CT scan

> with contrast solution. I didn't realize it till

> later, but the contrast solution was full of sugar to

> make it platable. I drank almost a gallon of the

> stuff. My guts raged with candida and inflammation

> afterwards. I started eating fermented foods but

> could only tolerate a tiny bit. My gut was so

> inflammed and my immune system was on total allergic

> upregulation mode (lots of auto-immune discomfort).

> Seacure was a Godsend - it immediately started

> calming things down and enabled me to get through the

> die-off and heal faster.

>

> The only caution I have ever heard about Seacure is

> that Sally Fallon responded to a post I made about it

> on the WAPF practitioner list saying to add more Vit

> A to your diet if you are going to increase your

> protein intake with Seacure.

>

> I think that diet is key to healing the gut, but that

> there are some supplements that can speed up the

> healing process - Seacure being one. A lot of people

> use L-glutamine but I think it is wiser to use a full

> spectrum, whole food protein to keep the aminos

balanced.

>

> Barb

>

>

[Guest guest]



I just read this morning that Seacure is 40% glutamine, wondering if it wouldn't just be less expensive to take glutamine.

RE: [ ] Re: Here's my intro....

I think the difference is that Seacure is not cookedand the protein is already broken down and thus morebioavailable. If you have a digestive tract thatisn't working well, it probably can't use cookedprotein as well as it can use a raw, predigestedprotein. Also, there might be more good substances(cofactors?) available with the Seacure that getslost when cooking fish/meat. I notice that my bodyresponds much differently to raw fish (ie. Ceviche)than to cooked fish. Same with raw meat.Nutritionist Aajonus Vonderplanitz (as well asothers) advocate raw animal food diets and often getphenomenal results where all other diets have failed.For me, I don't want to eat that much raw protein,but the seacure is easy and similar in results.I think that with Seacure, the body doesn't have toalready be healthy to utilize the protein.BarbHmm, interesting, I've never heard of seacurebefore. I'm not sure Iunderstand what is so special about it. It is justwhite fish, right?We already eat a lot of fish. Can you enlighten me?K>> I never see this talked about on such lists but in> the alternative/natural health community one of the> supplements used most successfully to help heal the> gut is Seacure (go to www.propernutrition.com for> more info). It is a predigested fish protein that> helps the gut rebuild and it decreases inflammation.> It is used extensively with Chron's, IBS and> Ulcerative Colitis. Children with autism have done> very well with it as well. They also make a product> called Intestive - which I haven't used yet - which> combines seacure, colostrum and a soothing herb. > > Seacure has low allergy potential because it is> already broken down, is mercury free and doesn't have> a lot of other stuff in it.> > Years ago, I did a stupid thing and got a CT scan> with contrast solution. I didn't realize it till> later, but the contrast solution was full of sugar to> make it platable. I drank almost a gallon of the> stuff. My guts raged with candida and inflammation> afterwards. I started eating fermented foods but> could only tolerate a tiny bit. My gut was so> inflammed and my immune system was on total allergic> upregulation mode (lots of auto-immune discomfort).> Seacure was a Godsend - it immediately started> calming things down and enabled me to get through the> die-off and heal faster.> > The only caution I have ever heard about Seacure is> that Sally Fallon responded to a post I made about it> on the WAPF practitioner list saying to add more Vit> A to your diet if you are going to increase your> protein intake with Seacure.> > I think that diet is key to healing the gut, but that> there are some supplements that can speed up the> healing process - Seacure being one. A lot of people> use L-glutamine but I think it is wiser to use a full> spectrum, whole food protein to keep the aminosbalanced.> > Barb> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,We have a lot of the same issues in our family, though to different degrees and exhibiting in different ways. I am also bound and determined to heal my family through food after giving birth to my 2.5 year old dd-- I ate an " organic " SAD and took Culturelle and omega 3's with her, and she still ended up with cavities on her two front teeth (came in w.o enamel it looks like), reflux as an infant and eczema after around 8 months, as well as chronic loose stools and a dairy intolerance.

I discovered NT when she was about 10 months and we'll probably started SCD with her in a couple months once I get a handle on it. I am doing SCD to try to heal my eczema, including awful eczema on my hands. I also used to suffer from migraines, but those apparently went away on their own. Anyway, just wanted to say thank you for sharing where you're at and I think we're going to learn a lot from each other!

On Feb 6, 2008 10:59 AM, Viadro <viadro@...> wrote:

I appreciate all the moving stories people have shared, and thanks to Katy for the idea of a round of introductions. It really really helps to hear other people's stories. I have decided that we need to try the intro diet and stages (sigh), based on what you have shared. The one thing that still perplexes me, though, is why there are some differences between SCD and GAPS. I wish there were a way to find out what Dr. Natasha's reasoning is on certain points, because she works with a very compromised patient population herself. I guess we all have to just decide for ourselves, and do some trial and error.

Our story:

Our family of four (two sons, ages almost 8 and 4) are all on the GAPS diet, since 1/1/08. The primary reason is for my oldest son, but we all have issues and I'm hoping we can all benefit. Basic profile:

ds#1: I did not know anything about nutrition when pregnant with him, nor for the years prior, so ate a vegetarian diet perceived as fairly healthy (i.e., Grape Nuts, etc.!). Traumatic c-section birth due to OP position. Breastfed for 3 years. severe eczema from 7 months (all over body), dairy allergies when first introduced (at age 1+), many other food intolerances showed up on a test last year, but we've done all kinds of elimination diets and experimentation and I never could get a handle on what the food issues were. We discovered WAPF and NT when he was about 2, have been eating WAPF-type diet with no processed foods for 5 years. Asthma developed over the past 3 years (i.e., going in the wrong direction, moving from the outside in!). Asthma majorly worse since Fall 2006. Very skinny, some signs of possibly being on the autism spectrum (sensory integration issues, slow on all the physical milestones like skipping, riding without training wheels, etc., doesn't process social cues very well, can draw an exact picture of what your car dashboard looks like, with all the numbers and odometers and everything after only seeing it one time but can't do basic math very easily). Will eat just about anything, thank goodness, except that he hates the fermented veggies and craves carbs and sweets. Like Sue, we have consulted with just about every type of natural/alternative healer there is (including Tom Cowan), none have really ever dealt with the leaky guts issues in an assertive way (taking glutamine was the only prior recommendation). Have spent a fortune trying to heal this child. Are currently working with a classical homeopath who is great, doing GAPS (not in stages but plan to backtrack soon). Supplements include digestive enzymes, clay (to strengthen teeth, which are very weak), licorice capsules (good for the adrenals), CLO, were doing butter oil but that's on hold because of the dairy break, and Bio-Kult (which is breaking the bank!). May try to simplify the supplement regimen soon.

ds#2: Ate a WAPF diet during pregnancy (and he has much better teeth!) and took probiotics (Culturelle) during pregnancy. Another c-section birth, which meant antibiotics at birth. No major problems since then, but he had some constipation around 9 months when he was still exclusively breastfeeding, Cowan thought it was because he wasn't eating solids, I never could really figure it out. Now he has a tendency towards loose stools, and sometimes has diarrhea, but nothing horrible and not all the time. Up until this year, had a tendency to get every single cold going around, and to hang on with the cold for weeks, and a tendency towards bronchitis. Still, he looks a lot more robust and rosy than his brother and has a nice solid body. At age 4+, he is still nursing.

dh: Had oodles of antibiotics in younger years, gets sick all the time and stays sick for ages, chronic back problems since adolescence, hemorrhoids, etc. However, has 3-4 bowel movements a day, which is supposed to be a good sign. Gets absolutely *exhausted* every night at the dinner table after he eats, just completely crashes (this happens to ds#1 too). Is on the diet with some reservations but being a fairly good sport. Eats lots of fruits and cashews to replace his cherished grains, had a real bread/grain addiction.

me: Chronic headaches, chronic eczema on my hands since adolescence, chronic cold sores, teeth and gum problems. Ate a lot of junk food as a kid.

Sorry this has turned into such a tome! We are bound and determined to heal ds#1 and get the rest of us in better shape. I think we'll be doing this diet for a long time to come.

In terms of comments about what to do for school lunches and such: I'm lucky because both my boys will eat soup, they have a thermos lunch of soup or leftover stew or something like that probably 3 out of 5 days. Other days they have sardines, or leftover chicken, or leftover chicken pancakes. We also just ordered some delicious beef sticks and beef jerky from US Wellness Meats that only have salt and SCD legal spices in them, those have been good for snacks (although I'm going to have to figure out how to make my own because it's not sustainable financially). I also just made homemade liverwurst, am hoping the boys will go for it. All of those things may not be okay at the intro and early stages of SCD, however. They like drinking chicken broth with a little salt in it, I try to make sure they are getting lots of broth every day.

Thanks, everyone!

in Chapel Hill

[Guest guest]

Less expensive but certainly not healthier. I think

it is much better to take all the necessary aminos in

a food form and not in an isolated/synthetic form

(which is what you get when you take individual

aminos). They all work together and never appear

isolated in nature. The results of Seacure are not

just from the glutamine. For example, one of the

aminos, I think it is arginine, helps make it so that

candida can not take hold in the gut wall. If you

google seacure, you can find people selling it

cheaper...I think I saw it for $28 from one place.

Barb

I just read this morning that Seacure is 40%

glutamine, wondering if it wouldn't just be less

expensive to take glutamine.

RE: [ ] Re: Here's my intro....

I think the difference is that Seacure is not cooked

and the protein is already broken down and thus more

bioavailable. If you have a digestive tract that

isn't working well, it probably can't use cooked

protein as well as it can use a raw, predigested

protein. Also, there might be more good substances

(cofactors?) available with the Seacure that gets

lost when cooking fish/meat. I notice that my body

responds much differently to raw fish (ie. Ceviche)

than to cooked fish. Same with raw meat.

Nutritionist Aajonus Vonderplanitz (as well as

others) advocate raw animal food diets and often get

phenomenal results where all other diets have failed.

For me, I don't want to eat that much raw protein,

but the seacure is easy and similar in results.

I think that with Seacure, the body doesn't have to

already be healthy to utilize the protein.

Barb

Hmm, interesting, I've never heard of seacure

before. I'm not sure I

understand what is so special about it. It is just

white fish, right?

We already eat a lot of fish. Can you enlighten me?

K

>

> I never see this talked about on such lists but in

> the alternative/natural health community one of the

> supplements used most successfully to help heal the

> gut is Seacure (go to www.propernutrition.com for

> more info). It is a predigested fish protein that

> helps the gut rebuild and it decreases inflammation.

> It is used extensively with Chron's, IBS and

> Ulcerative Colitis. Children with autism have done

> very well with it as well. They also make a product

> called Intestive - which I haven't used yet - which

> combines seacure, colostrum and a soothing herb.

>

> Seacure has low allergy potential because it is

> already broken down, is mercury free and doesn't have

> a lot of other stuff in it.

>

> Years ago, I did a stupid thing and got a CT scan

> with contrast solution. I didn't realize it till

> later, but the contrast solution was full of sugar to

> make it platable. I drank almost a gallon of the

> stuff. My guts raged with candida and inflammation

> afterwards. I started eating fermented foods but

> could only tolerate a tiny bit. My gut was so

> inflammed and my immune system was on total allergic

> upregulation mode (lots of auto-immune discomfort).

> Seacure was a Godsend - it immediately started

> calming things down and enabled me to get through the

> die-off and heal faster.

>

> The only caution I have ever heard about Seacure is

> that Sally Fallon responded to a post I made about it

> on the WAPF practitioner list saying to add more Vit

> A to your diet if you are going to increase your

> protein intake with Seacure.

>

> I think that diet is key to healing the gut, but that

> there are some supplements that can speed up the

> healing process - Seacure being one. A lot of people

> use L-glutamine but I think it is wiser to use a full

> spectrum, whole food protein to keep the aminos

balanced.

>

> Barb

>

>

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RE: [ ] Re: Here's my intro....I think the difference is that Seacure is not cookedand the protein is already broken down and thus morebioavailable. If you have a digestive tract thatisn't working well, it probably can't use cookedprotein as well as it can use a raw, predigestedprotein. Also, there might be more good substances(cofactors?) available with the Seacure that getslost when cooking fish/meat. I notice that my bodyresponds much differently to raw fish (ie. Ceviche)than to cooked fish. Same with raw meat.Nutritionist Aajonus Vonderplanitz (as well asothers) advocate raw animal food diets and often getphenomenal results where all other diets have failed.For me, I don't want to eat that much raw protein,but the seacure is easy and similar in results.I think that with Seacure, the body doesn't have toalready be healthy to utilize the protein.BarbHmm, interesting, I've never heard of seacurebefore. I'm not sure Iunderstand what is so special about it. It is justwhite fish, right?We already eat a lot of fish. Can you enlighten me?K>> I never see this talked about on such lists but in> the alternative/natural health community one of the> supplements used most successfully to help heal the> gut is Seacure (go to www.propernutrition.com for> more info). It is a predigested fish protein that> helps the gut rebuild and it decreases inflammation.> It is used extensively with Chron's, IBS and> Ulcerative Colitis. Children with autism have done> very well with it as well. They also make a product> called Intestive - which I haven't used yet - which> combines seacure, colostrum and a soothing herb. > > Seacure has low allergy potential because it is> already broken down, is mercury free and doesn't have> a lot of other stuff in it.> > Years ago, I did a stupid thing and got a CT scan> with contrast solution. I didn't realize it till> later, but the contrast solution was full of sugar to> make it platable. I drank almost a gallon of the> stuff. My guts raged with candida and inflammation> afterwards. I started eating fermented foods but> could only tolerate a tiny bit. My gut was so> inflammed and my immune system was on total allergic> upregulation mode (lots of auto-immune discomfort).> Seacure was a Godsend - it immediately started> calming things down and enabled me to get through the> die-off and heal faster.> > The only caution I have ever heard about Seacure is> that Sally Fallon responded to a post I made about it> on the WAPF practitioner list saying to add more Vit> A to your diet if you are going to increase your> protein intake with Seacure.> > I think that diet is key to healing the gut, but that> there are some supplements that can speed up the> healing process - Seacure being one. A lot of people> use L-glutamine but I think it is wiser to use a full> spectrum, whole food protein to keep the aminosbalanced.> > Barb> >

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One more ?, Barb, if I may, did you ever have anyone who didn't tolerate the Seacure?

RE: [ ] Re: Here's my intro....I think the difference is that Seacure is not cookedand the protein is already broken down and thus morebioavailable. If you have a digestive tract thatisn't working well, it probably can't use cookedprotein as well as it can use a raw, predigestedprotein. Also, there might be more good substances(cofactors?) available with the Seacure that getslost when cooking fish/meat. I notice that my bodyresponds much differently to raw fish (ie. Ceviche)than to cooked fish. Same with raw meat.Nutritionist Aajonus Vonderplanitz (as well asothers) advocate raw animal food diets and often getphenomenal results where all other diets have failed.For me, I don't want to eat that much raw protein,but the seacure is easy and similar in results.I think that with Seacure, the body doesn't have toalready be healthy to utilize the protein.BarbHmm, interesting, I've never heard of seacurebefore. I'm not sure Iunderstand what is so special about it. It is justwhite fish, right?We already eat a lot of fish. Can you enlighten me?K>> I never see this talked about on such lists but in> the alternative/natural health community one of the> supplements used most successfully to help heal the> gut is Seacure (go to www.propernutrition.com for> more info). It is a predigested fish protein that> helps the gut rebuild and it decreases inflammation.> It is used extensively with Chron's, IBS and> Ulcerative Colitis. Children with autism have done> very well with it as well. They also make a product> called Intestive - which I haven't used yet - which> combines seacure, colostrum and a soothing herb. > > Seacure has low allergy potential because it is> already broken down, is mercury free and doesn't have> a lot of other stuff in it.> > Years ago, I did a stupid thing and got a CT scan> with contrast solution. I didn't realize it till> later, but the contrast solution was full of sugar to> make it platable. I drank almost a gallon of the> stuff. My guts raged with candida and inflammation> afterwards. I started eating fermented foods but> could only tolerate a tiny bit. My gut was so> inflammed and my immune system was on total allergic> upregulation mode (lots of auto-immune discomfort).> Seacure was a Godsend - it immediately started> calming things down and enabled me to get through the> die-off and heal faster.> > The only caution I have ever heard about Seacure is> that Sally Fallon responded to a post I made about it> on the WAPF practitioner list saying to add more Vit> A to your diet if you are going to increase your> protein intake with Seacure.> > I think that diet is key to healing the gut, but that> there are some supplements that can speed up the> healing process - Seacure being one. A lot of people> use L-glutamine but I think it is wiser to use a full> spectrum, whole food protein to keep the aminosbalanced.> > Barb> >