Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Agreed. > > > >From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com> > >Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood > >Aspergers Treatment > >Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM > > > > > > > >It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the language " Suffering " , " somethings wrong with him " , etc. I get that this is the inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I hope that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we see on this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc. > > > >________________________________ > > >From: kelliangelini > >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000 > >Subject: ( ) Parenthood > > > > > >So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch. > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > >________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Right now you can download the episoide from ITunes for free plus an additional 5 minutes...Just thought I'd let yall know...I havent got to watch it yet, but am going to!PamOn Mar 4, 2010, jm.smoldt <jm.smoldt@...> wrote: Â Well I am all for neurodiveristy NOW. But when I first started seeing signs of AS in my son, I did think, OMG something's wrong with him. It is a scary time and process and I think they portrayed that well. It is hard for parents to find out, and it takes some processing to accept.>> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the language. "Suffering", "somethings wrong with him", etc. I get that this is the inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I hope that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we see on this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.> > > > > From: kelliangelini@...> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000> Subject: ( ) Parenthood> > > > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.> > Thoughts?> > > > > > __________________________________________________________> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 > > > Right now you can download the episoide from ITunes for free plus an > additional 5 minutes...Just thought I'd let yall know...I havent got > to watch it yet, but am going to! > Pam > > > On Mar 4, 2010, jm.smoldt wrote: Â > Well I am all for neurodiveristy NOW. But when I first started seeing > signs of AS in my son, I did think, OMG something's wrong with him. It is > a scary time and process and I think they portrayed that well. It is hard > for parents to find out, and it takes some processing to accept. > > >> >> >> It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the >> language. " Suffering " , " somethings wrong with him " , etc. I get that this >> is the inital response at that those are probably generally like that, >> but I hope that people don't just watch that episode and have that be >> their only opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues >> that we see on this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc. >> >> >> >> >> From: kelliangelini@... >> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000 >> Subject: ( ) Parenthood >> >> >> >> >> >> So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head >> realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will >> watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit >> heartbreaking for me to watch. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 you can also watch it on the NBC website. Good, because the VCR missed taping the final 10 minutes ... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 You mention self-esteem. My kids and I were sitting at the dinner table 2 nights ago and I was marveling at Dylan's confidence and strong sense of self. I wish I'd had 25% of his confidence when I was his age and I told him that. I don't sugar-coat things with him though. I'm honest with him and I think I get it back in return. He knows he has problematic behaviors sometimes that are exacerbated by his Aspergers but they are still problematic behaviors. I'm not going to act like everything's okay with him when we have an IEP for him, he gets different treatment at school from the teachers and staff, he's had probably 4 years of behavioral therapy, and was medicated from Kinder until the beginning of 8th grade (last fall) when he decided he could keep it together enough at school now and didn't need the extra help. All of that was b/c something is wrong with him. Why is that so hard to admit? I don't remind him that "something is wrong with you" but he knows there are things amiss. He doesn't read social cues correctly. The opposite of correct is incorrect and incorrect = wrong. He's smart enough for me to help him put the pieces together to understand why he's different and why he needs to work 150% harder to help him assimilate in our world. I've acknowledged to him that it sucks sometimes, but it is what it is and I have so much compassion and respect for how hard he tries. We've been constantly redirecting and helping him since he was 3 and it's not because everything was right with him. I think it's pretty ballsy of you to insinuate I'm unintentionally abusing my son. "Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out." From: Geo Dude <geo.dude@...> ; MacAllister <smacalli@...>Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 12:15:35 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood i always focus on my 9yo sons specific behaviors. i will help him and get help for him for those things. i will never tell him there is something "wrong" with him. the risk is shattering a kids self esteem and confidence that is already shaken by a difficulty making and keeping relationships. i respect your parenting decisions but feel ok letting you know that telling a kid there is something wrong with him can be interpreted as (unintentional) abuse. geo- ( ) Parenthood>> >So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.>>Thoughts?>>>>___________ _________ _________ ___Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Would you have " cured " Einstein? Just saying. > > > > > > From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com> > > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood > > Aspergers Treatment > > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the language. > > " Suffering " , " somethings wrong with him " , etc. I get that this is the > > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I hope > > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only > > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we see on > > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc. > > > > > > > > > > From: kelliangelini > > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000 > > Subject: ( ) Parenthood > > > > > > > > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head > > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will > > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit > > heartbreaking for me to watch. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > -mommy to Emma, Becca, , > and > > Girl Scout cookies are coming! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 It is just a different way of thinking, and a different way of thinking requires a different way of being educated. They need a " special " education, because they don't learn like others. If the world was filled with aspies and NTs were rare, NTs wouldn't be able to be educated in the normal classrooms. Does that mean NTs are disabled? I also don't think it does much good advocate for people with asperger's by telling everyone that they need to be fixed (a fix that might never come). Who would want to hire someone that needs to be fixed? > > > I hope that they do. AS is a disability. It's not like having blue eyes. It is so hard to advocate for help for these kids when people are out there promoting this idea that AS is just a different way of thinking. To that end, I hope the DSM revisions clear this stuff up or lead a way towards doing that. > > > > Roxanna > > " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. " E. Burke > > > > > ( ) Parenthood > > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch. > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 That's basically it, not that we say to them, in front of them or to other people that " somethings wrong with them " but before you know what it is how else do you think it in your head or describe/talk about it privately with your dh. And for us there were times that I'd say " I know somethings not right " and I may have even said " I know somethings wrong with her " meaning that she's not doing this on purpose which to me is better than thinking she's just a rotten kid when she's not. So I still think it is a good depiction of initial reaction. On 3/4/10, and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: > I didn't mind the saying, " Somethings wrong with him " at all. It summed it > up to me. > I wouldn't say that out loud to people....that's for sure. > But,,,,,I've said plenty to my mom, hubby, etc....when feeling heartbroken > and scared and down.....ya know? > I don't think it was meant to be " bad " ......but just a way a parent feels at > first when a " disorder " or " illness " or " whateve " is first known about. > A friend of mine was talking about how she knew something was wrong with her > son a few days before he was taken to the hospital and they got word that he > had diabetes. > I have a really fat ass....ha ha...............it is definitely WRONG. ha > ha. > Anyway,,,,just my 2-cents. > > It really is simple. Just treat others kindly and with respect. > Robin > > > > > > From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood > Aspergers Treatment > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM > > > > > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the language. > " Suffering " , " somethings wrong with him " , etc. I get that this > is the inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I > hope that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we see on > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc. > > > > > From: kelliangelini > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000 > Subject: ( ) Parenthood > > > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit > heartbreaking for me to watch. > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > > > > > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device -mommy to Emma, Becca, , and Girl Scout cookies are coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I bawled my head off watching it this morning. It took me back to when we got the dx and it was so well written it was like watching my life story. I am trying to get anyone I know to watch it too to better understand my boys. Can't wait untill the next one. From: jm.smoldt <jm.smoldt@...>Subject: ( ) Re: Parenthood Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 10:15 AM I loved the show though it did bring tears to my eyes. I can't wait for the next episode. I thought they did a real good job portraying AS. A lot of things reminded me of my son. They even portrayed the motor delays well with the problems in sports and frustration when trying to cut out hearts.>> So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.> > Thoughts?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I don't see where there should be shame in saying there is something going wrong in development. Besides, I can't keep up with the PC crowd. "retarded" isn't an offensive word either. It can be used in an offensive way, which is when people get upset. But the word itself has a meaning that describes a specific set of problems. I am sure eliminating use of the word "retarded" will fix all the problems with people using it in a negative way...not. Roxanna "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke ( ) Parenthood > > >So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch. > >Thoughts? > > > >________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 That is an excellent point too. My 13 yo ds is learning what makes him tick and he actually told his music tutor that he has a learning disability on his own. I was so glad that he advocated for himself. Roxanna "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke ( ) Parenthood > > >So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch. > >Thoughts? > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 If Einstein had a problem that needed a cure, then yes, I would definitely give him a cure if I had the means to do so. Roxanna "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke ( ) Parenthood > > > > > > > > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head > > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will > > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit > > heartbreaking for me to watch. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > -mommy to Emma, Becca, , > and > > Girl Scout cookies are coming! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I'm going out on a limb here to say that the majority of people with Aspergers (and the majority of the NT population, too) aren't Einsteins. You might be giving his Aspergers (if he truly had it) more credit than it deserves. "Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out." From: fnofsports <fnofsports@...> Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 4:13:27 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood Would you have "cured" Einstein? Just saying.> >> >> > From: G <fnofsports@ hotmail. com>> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood> > Aspergers Treatment> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM> >> >> >> >> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the language.> > "Suffering", "somethings wrong with him", etc. I get that this is the> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I hope> > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we see on> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.> >> >> >> > > > From: kelliangelini> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000> > Subject: ( ) Parenthood> >> >> >> >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit> > heartbreaking for me to watch.> >> > Thoughts?> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.> > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 201469230/ direct/01/> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> > -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,> and > > Girl Scout cookies are coming!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 If NT's learned differently in your scenario, then yes, they would need sped services. Having a LD means there is something going wrong in one or more of the typical processes of learning. You don't get sped because you are a bit quirky or you "think differently." As for "fix", I did not say "fix" in my post. I would not advocate for anyone by saying "they need to be fixed." I am not sure where you connected my post to that. As for who will hire people who need to be "fixed" (your choice of term), this is why there are job coordinators who may or may not do a good job at finding employment for people with disabilities. Look around you - people with disabilities work in a variety of jobs and within all communities according to their abilities and the job market. I do believe I can advocate for my kids (hfa) without trying to pretend that they don't have a disability that affects their ability to learn and socialize. I find it better to accept the differences and work with them, not against them. You can't have it both ways where you get special help but it's not because you have a problem. Roxanna "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke ( ) Parenthood > > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch. > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 I would have found the show more realistic if the identification stuff didn't go so smoothly. The school notices something is wrong, talks to the parents, kid gets properly diagnosed in a short time span, dad accepts it within a few minutes, and even grandpa understood when dad told him something was wrong with his grandson while the daughter sings perfectly at the school. Wish my world worked like that. Also, it would have been nice if they didn't all look like models. However, it was a good portrayal of a child with Asperger's, and hopefully the show becomes a big hit because most people just have no clue about what Asperger's is. Perhaps with enough education, people on the street wont just assume that the problem is that the parents are soft on discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Roxanna, That is so hard speaking with people that are in denial with their children's differences. (I'm saying this from an experience with people I know) Some people have so many crutches for their children's differences to cover it up that I am amazed how good the parents get at it. I wonder what will happen - to the parents - when they run out of those crutches. the child too... but these are such well educated people that I wonder if they know - but are trying to hide their child's difference from others. but why? Some of these parents work harder to hide their child's disability than I work on helping mine and getting my child the supports he needs. these are the parents the become defensive and loud if you even give a hint of a concern about their child. some even become aggressive....so you leave it alone and they believe they proved a point. that nothing is wrong with their child - it's you! anyway - I remember when my son was 5 months old. I remember it like it was today.....he is now 12. I sat him on the floor with one of those U-shaped nursing pillows for support to help him stay sitting up. He was watching TV. I was sitting behind him in a chair watching him watch TV when I saw him raise both arms, elbows bent, and he started flapping his hands. OMG! I thought - something is wrong! I also agree, I think lots of parents had that moment when they saw something and said - somethings wrong...when trying to sort it all out...and watching for more signs. Rose From: Roxanna <MadIdeas@...> Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 10:04:46 PMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood If NT's learned differently in your scenario, then yes, they would need sped services. Having a LD means there is something going wrong in one or more of the typical processes of learning. You don't get sped because you are a bit quirky or you "think differently. " As for "fix", I did not say "fix" in my post. I would not advocate for anyone by saying "they need to be fixed." I am not sure where you connected my post to that. As for who will hire people who need to be "fixed" (your choice of term), this is why there are job coordinators who may or may not do a good job at finding employment for people with disabilities. Look around you - people with disabilities work in a variety of jobs and within all communities according to their abilities and the job market. I do believe I can advocate for my kids (hfa) without trying to pretend that they don't have a disability that affects their ability to learn and socialize. I find it better to accept the differences and work with them, not against them. You can't have it both ways where you get special help but it's not because you have a problem. Roxanna"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke ( ) Parenthood> > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.> > Thoughts?> > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 I would not/could not have "cured" Einstein, but if I was his mom I would have had him in therapy. If he had meltdowns and came home crying from school every day because he always got in trouble and none of the other kids liked him, I would do whatever I could to help him, with the school, with counseling, with medication, whatever it took. I wouldn't just say, "Oh well, he's an Aspie." As a mother, it hurts me when my child hurts, and if there is something I think I can do to help stop his pain, I will do it.If somehow that meant the world didn't have E=Mc2, then I can live with that. I think most of us could. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Suzanne suzmarkwood@... From: fnofsports <fnofsports@...>Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 2:13 PM Would you have "cured" Einstein? Just saying.> >> >> > From: G <fnofsports@ hotmail. com>> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood> > Aspergers Treatment> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM> >> >> >> >> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the language.> > "Suffering", "somethings wrong with him", etc. I get that this is the> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I hope> > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we see on> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.> >> >> >> > > > From: kelliangelini> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000> > Subject: ( ) Parenthood> >> >> >> >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit> > heartbreaking for me to watch.> >> > Thoughts?> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.> > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 201469230/ direct/01/> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> > -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,> and > > Girl Scout cookies are coming!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Yea, though I figured out how to do it in socially acceptable ways when I was in class (was always playing with my pencil or twirling my keys which acted as stims for me) though I did nailbite a lot which was another stim, that and sucking my shirt in public (yum cotton!), but mostly did that when I was really stressed. I am not sure there is a way to get rid of the stims, and I think the best way to get rid of social anxiety is the same as the best way to get out of a rut. A little success goes a long way, its getting the success that is the hard part. From: juice00000@...Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 00:46:23 +0000Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood I would love to get rid of my son's stims...I'm sure when people see that they think 'there's something wrong with that child'. And the social anxiety.Hey , did you stim as a child? Just wondering if you did, and now don't anymore? If you don't mind answering?TJ> >> >> >> >> >> > From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com>> >> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood> >> > Aspergers Treatment> >> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the> >> > language.> >> > "Suffering", "somethings wrong with him", etc. I get that this is the> >> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I> >> > hope> >> > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only> >> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we> >> > see on> >> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > From: kelliangelini> >> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000> >> > Subject: ( ) Parenthood> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head> >> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will> >> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit> >> > heartbreaking for me to watch.> >> >> >> > Thoughts?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> > __________________________________________________________> >> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.> >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/> >>> >> --> >> Sent from my mobile device> >>> >> -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,> >> and > >>> >> Girl Scout cookies are coming!> >>> >> >> >> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> > -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,> and > > Girl Scout cookies are coming!> > > > > __________________________________________________________> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 I thought the show was very well done. I see it as quite an advancement in potentially educating the population at large about the disability. Pam In a message dated 3/5/2010 9:57:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rachelfran@... writes: The producers of the show has stressed that the show- named "Parenthood" is about parenthood. It's not about aspergers or doctors or anything like that... I'm looking forward to seeing how the parents - parent their aspergers child.It's a TV show, and a drama at that, so I wouldn't expect the intricacies to be dealt with in terms of reality.. I"m sure for the bulk of the public going into detail about getting a diagnosis would be boring... >>   ,>   I agree! and thought the same thing but thought they did it like that to get to the POINT really >   fast. Now making that point it would be nice if they stretched that out - like in a real life situation. maybe the family getting together having 2nd thoughts, another opinion from another dr. Maybe the grandfather having reasons/excusses for why his grandson is acting that way. (it's not aspergers, he's having a bad day because of the way the baseball game went)  > Rose> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 I agree that it is a neurological disorder, but many of the symptoms can cause major mental health issues. Pam In a message dated 3/5/2010 10:15:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smacalli@... writes: Again, Aspergers is a neurological disorder, not a mental health issue. But even when you're talking about mental health issues, having one means something is WRONG with the person. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have compassion and try to be a part of the solution, but you don't get a diagnosis when everything is RIGHT. You act like anyone admitting something is wrong would just use that one word in a vaccuum or something. "Over-optimism is waiting for you ship to come in when you haven't sent one out." From: Geo Dude <geo.dudeymail> ; Roxanna <MadIdeasaol>Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 6:08:59 AMSubject: Re: ( ) Parenthood There is no shame in recognizing any mental health issue and seeking help for that issue. there is shame in how we fling certain words around with disregard for for the human being we are speaking about. for example, if you tell a neighborhood friend that there is something "wrong" with your child and they in turn tell their NT children those same words, you've just created a another hellish obstacle for your child in forming relationships. to me, "wrong with" implies no hope of change and is stigmatizing. and it is obvious to me that there is a huge difference between choosing the word "retard" and choosing "retarded" to describe someone. the second can be appropriate. the first is abusive. to me choosing non-abusive words is not about being PC. geo - ( ) Parenthood>> >So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch.>>Thoughts?>>>>___________ _________ _________ ___Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Ya know, Suzanne,,,,Yep.............and who's to say that E=mc2 wouldn't have still been "found", right? You (the mom) would have known that his passion was physics, or whatever, and allowed him to retreat into his "world" to work at it, like we all do with whatever it is OUR kids love and need to do. Yep....I'm sure, socially, Albert wasn't a genius, poor guy. It really is simple. Just treat others kindly and with respect. Robin From: fnofsports <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: ( ) Parenthood Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 2:13 PM Would you have "cured" Einstein? Just saying.> >> >> > From: G <fnofsports@ hotmail. com>> > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood> > Aspergers Treatment> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM> >> >> >> >> > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the language.> > "Suffering", "somethings wrong with him", etc. I get that this is the> > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I hope> > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only> > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we see on> > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc.> >> >> >> > > > From: kelliangelini> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000> > Subject: ( ) Parenthood> >> >> >> >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit> > heartbreaking for me to watch.> >> > Thoughts?> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.> > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 201469230/ direct/01/> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> > -mommy to Emma, Becca, ,> and > > Girl Scout cookies are coming!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 This discussion thread is exactly what I love about this forum. It gives you so much to think about. , I always love your insight because I feel like I am getting a view of my son in the future. When I was a bit younger I was studing American Sign Language and concidering becoming an interpreter for the deaf. (As an aside I find it interesting that I was always interested with the " special needs " , maybe to prepare me for my son?). This question of " curing " disablitity was a very big one in the deaf community. I wrote one of my papers on it. There is a large segment of the deaf community that gets very offended at the idea that they should want to hear. The do not see themselves as " disabled " in any way and hate being viewed that way. This segment of the deaf population is very upset with parents that have their children get Coclear Implants because they think that they are taking something away from the deaf child who may not want to hear, changing them from who they were meant to be. For most people, who are not a part of the deaf community this sounds rather extreme. After all the ability to hear is a much bigger thing than, for example, wearing glasses. And yet, ultimately, it is the same issue: What defines who we are and what we become? What exactly is disabled? Do we as parent have a right or even a responsiblity to try to " cure " our children of what society mighn't concider a " disablity and thereby change who they were born to be. To an extent the last of the " X-men " movies touches on this. One of the characters " Rogue " struggles with whether or not she should give up her mutation and be " normal " . Most of the " mutants " are very upset that anyone would want to change but for her her mutation prevents her from having human contact with anyone. For her, ultimately she decides that she wants to be able to touch others even if it separates her from her " family " . Anyway, great discusstion. Vickie > > > > > > > > > From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com> > > > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood > > > Aspergers Treatment > > > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the language. > > > " Suffering " , " somethings wrong with him " , etc. I get that this is the > > > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I hope > > > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only > > > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we see on > > > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kelliangelini > > > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000 > > > Subject: ( ) Parenthood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head > > > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will > > > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit > > > heartbreaking for me to watch. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > > > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 201469230/ direct/01/ > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > -mommy to Emma, Becca, , > > and > > > > Girl Scout cookies are coming! > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > > > > > > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I can understand everyones opinion on it taking away traits, I guess the truth is there is a very fine line between disorder traits and personality traits so one would never know what exactly would be taken away from each individual until it was tried so it would certainly be a very hard personal choice as a lot of possible pros and cons would have to be weighed. Some kids/people are stronger in some aspie traits than others. For us, since mood swings and physical aggression is high for my dd we would chose the cure. Being unable to physically control herself is so hard on her but as parents we seem to teeter on impossible to deal with it and its plain scary to my other kids On 3/9/10, baneline1 <baneline1@...> wrote: > This discussion thread is exactly what I love about this forum. It gives > you so much to think about. , I always love your insight because I > feel like I am getting a view of my son in the future. > > When I was a bit younger I was studing American Sign Language and > concidering becoming an interpreter for the deaf. (As an aside I find it > interesting that I was always interested with the " special needs " , maybe to > prepare me for my son?). This question of " curing " disablitity was a very > big one in the deaf community. I wrote one of my papers on it. There is a > large segment of the deaf community that gets very offended at the idea that > they should want to hear. The do not see themselves as " disabled " in any > way and hate being viewed that way. This segment of the deaf population is > very upset with parents that have their children get Coclear Implants > because they think that they are taking something away from the deaf child > who may not want to hear, changing them from who they were meant to be. > > For most people, who are not a part of the deaf community this sounds rather > extreme. After all the ability to hear is a much bigger thing than, for > example, wearing glasses. And yet, ultimately, it is the same issue: What > defines who we are and what we become? What exactly is disabled? Do we as > parent have a right or even a responsiblity to try to " cure " our children of > what society mighn't concider a " disablity and thereby change who they were > born to be. > > To an extent the last of the " X-men " movies touches on this. One of the > characters " Rogue " struggles with whether or not she should give up her > mutation and be " normal " . Most of the " mutants " are very upset that anyone > would want to change but for her her mutation prevents her from having human > contact with anyone. For her, ultimately she decides that she wants to be > able to touch others even if it separates her from her " family " . > > Anyway, great discusstion. > > Vickie > > >> > > >> > > >> > > From: G <fnofsportshotmail (DOT) com> >> > > Subject: RE: ( ) Parenthood >> > > Aspergers Treatment >> > > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:54 PM >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > It was a good premier, but I must admit I didn't like some of the >> > > language. >> > > " Suffering " , " somethings wrong with him " , etc. I get that this is the >> > > inital response at that those are probably generally like that, but I >> > > hope >> > > that people don't just watch that episode and have that be their only >> > > opinion. I have to wonder if it will delve into other issues that we >> > > see on >> > > this site, cures, neurodiversity, special education, etc. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > From: kelliangelini >> > > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:49:29 +0000 >> > > Subject: ( ) Parenthood >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head >> > > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life >> > > will >> > > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit >> > > heartbreaking for me to watch. >> > > >> > > Thoughts? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ >> > > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> > > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 201469230/ direct/01/ >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> > -mommy to Emma, Becca, , >> > and >> > >> > Girl Scout cookies are coming! >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up >> now. >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device -mommy to Emma, Becca, , and Girl Scout cookies are coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 There is nothing about autism that I love or seem to love. So no chance I will miss that part. Roxanna "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke ( ) Parenthood > > > > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit heartbreaking for me to watch. > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I don't believe that's true. I think you are confusing "focus" with perseveration. Perseveration is associated with a problem within the brain causing it to function incorrectly. Here is one of the definitions that are given for perseveration --> <<Uncontrollable repetition of a particular response, such as a word, phrase, or gesture, despite the absence or cessation of a stimulus, usually caused by brain injury or other organic disorder.>> It is just not the same thing as being a genius. Roxanna "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." E. Burke ( ) Parenthood >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > So what did everyone think of Parenthood last night? For me, my head >> > realizes this is great for awareness (maybe some people in my life will >> > watch and start to get it) but, that being said it was a little bit >> > heartbreaking for me to watch. >> > >> > Thoughts? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ >> > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> -mommy to Emma, Becca, , >> and >> >> Girl Scout cookies are coming! >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device -mommy to Emma, Becca, , and Girl Scout cookies are coming! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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