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Interesting, it does make sense, but I think Bio-Kult and some of the other

capsules are going to have a lot more varieties of bacteria than 3. Maybe that's

part of the difference. I do understand the concern about it being in a package

and who knows what the shelf life is. I'm with you there and just trusting the

doctor. Interesting about coconut milk mentioned. Donna Gates' Body Ecology

Diet has patients drink young coconut kefir with a little stevia for taste.

I haven't looked at pecanbread yet. I know a few have mentioned it so maybe

I need to check it out. Right now I lean towards what Dr. CMB says, but everyone

is different. At least with a group like this we can all talk it out and figure out

works best for us and share our experiences.

Katy

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thank you katy and i wish i could forward the info but i don't know how : ) i' not very good with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it says that bifidus bacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut after the bad bacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically they suggest homemade goat yogurt that is specially fermented for 24 hrs. with 3 bacteria strains that are dairy free and are in large numbers. fermenting it that long will denature the casein making it harmless, it also says to drip the yogurt for very sensitive people. the yogurt will then be able to repopulate the gut with lactobacillus bacteria. the yogurt is more potent then the capsules because its living and fresh as supposed to in a capsule for who knows how long. also they go even further to say that if one can not have any dairy you can culture coconut milk or nut milk to make the yogurt as well, then after getting some good bacteria in the system you can try the goat yogurt again.> > Dr. CMB talks about what a good probiotic needs in her chapter probiotics.> She says that a good probiotic should have as many strains of bacteria as> possible because there are so many different strains in our gut, and we want> to replenish all of those strains. The issue with yogurt is that it is not> legal on the GAPS diet for a while, although the probiotic can be taken> right away. The yogurt is a wonderful probiotic and should not be discounted> for its value, however. In fact, Dr. CMB also says that probiotic> ³maintenance² (once you are at that point) should include as many live,> lacto-fermented foods as possible, such as sauerkraut, yogurt, etc.> > I¹m not sure why the different strains of cultures in the Biokult would be a> problem. Can you forward where you got that info?> > Thanks!> > Peace,> > > > On 1/17/08 10:04 AM, "samadamfamily" <samadamfamily@...> wrote:> > > i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across info> > that says that bio> > kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well as> > having maltodextrin> > in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this> > probiotic is better than> > using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living,> > would be better than> > a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes inactive.> > > > thanks> > sam > > > > > >>

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Hmmm... just wondering about this...I'm wondering if you were to eat enough of a variety of fermented foods -- and a large enough quantity -- wouldn't that take care of things?I mean I understand the problem if you are just taking a probiotic. But if you eat a variety of fermented foods, you should have multiple strains.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately because I'm currently fermenting:kefirfil mjolkbeet kvasssauerkrautkombuchasourdoughI know it sounds like a lot -- and I guess that's why I'm thinking about fermented foods so much! :-) But I'm just wondering if a variety of bacterium is the key. I am feeding my baby many of the above (actually everything except sourdough -- she is only 9 mos old).Ann Marie

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with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it says that bifidusbacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut after the badbacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically they suggest

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My understanding is its 2 things, the varieties of bacteria as well as the

number of microorganisms. Without knowing exactly what kind of variety

of bacteria you are getting in the fermented foods. I mean you are getting

varieties of foods, but are you getting all the varieties of bacteria found in

Bio-Kult? And what about the levels of microorganisms in each? I don't

know the answers to those questions, but I'm sure someone has analyzed them.

It be interesting to compare.

Like I said Dr. C-McB is pro-food, anti-supplement, so if she felt that leaky gut

could be reversed through diet, I am sure she would have recommended it. I imagine

you could heal leaky gut that way but it may take more time as the levels of

probiotic bacteria probably are not as great and as many varieties as the capsule,

but that's just a guess. And I imagine an acute case of leaky gut (not sure what that

would look like) might be healed through diet. However I think most of the patients

Dr. C-McB sees have really bad cases. This is all a guess for me. I'm no expert,

just what my intuition is telling me.

We are doing fermented foods (kraut, kimchee, kombucha, lf pickles, chutney & sourdough)

and taking the Bio-Kult.

Katy

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Hmmm... just wondering about this...I'm wondering if you were to eat enough of a variety of fermented foods -- and a large enough quantity -- wouldn't that take care of things?I mean I understand the problem if you are just taking a probiotic. But if you eat a variety of fermented foods, you should have multiple strains. I have been thinking about this a lot lately because I'm currently fermenting:kefirfil mjolkbeet kvasssauerkrautkombuchasourdoughI know it sounds like a lot -- and I guess that's why I'm thinking about fermented foods so much! :-) But I'm just wondering if a variety of bacterium is the key. I am feeding my baby many of the above (actually everything except sourdough -- she is only 9 mos old).Ann Marie

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with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it says that bifidusbacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut after the badbacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically they suggest

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Katy and Sam,

As far as shelf life of BioKult, here are 2 items of interest. First,

if you go to the biokult website, you can look up the lot number of

your bottle and view a lab report showing the tested number of live

cultures, and the date of the test, so you know there are live cultures

AFTER the manufacture (they take the caplets and culture them).

Also, Jordin Rubin (Garden of Life), suggests an at home test for

probiotics--open a capsule into milk and culture it at home, as you

would kefir and the like. If it sours milk, the probiotic is active.

I have done this several times with Biokult and always end up with a

nicely soured product after a day on the counter.

Katy wrote:

Interesting, it does make sense,

but I think Bio-Kult and some of the other

capsules are going to have a lot

more varieties of bacteria than 3. Maybe that's

part of the difference. I do

understand the concern about it being in a package

and who knows what the shelf

life is. I'm with you there and just trusting the

doctor. Interesting about

coconut milk mentioned. Donna Gates' Body

Ecology

Diet has patients drink young

coconut kefir with a little stevia for

taste.

I haven't looked at pecanbread

yet. I know a few have mentioned it so maybe

I need to check it out. Right

now I lean towards what Dr. CMB says, but everyone

is different. At least with a

group like this we can all talk it out and figure out

works best for us and share our

experiences.

Katy

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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:59 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: dr. mcb help

thank you katy and i wish i could forward the info but i don't

know how : ) i' not very good

with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it

says that bifidus

bacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut

after the bad

bacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically

they suggest

homemade goat yogurt that is specially fermented for 24 hrs. with 3

bacteria strains that

are dairy free and are in large numbers. fermenting it that long will

denature the casein

making it harmless, it also says to drip the yogurt for very sensitive

people. the yogurt

will then be able to repopulate the gut with lactobacillus bacteria.

the yogurt is more

potent then the capsules because its living and fresh as supposed to in

a capsule for who

knows how long. also they go even further to say that if one can not

have any dairy you

can culture coconut milk or nut milk to make the yogurt as well, then

after getting some

good bacteria in the system you can try the goat yogurt again.

>

> Dr. CMB talks about what a good probiotic needs in her chapter

probiotics.

> She says that a good probiotic should have as many strains of

bacteria as

> possible because there are so many different strains in our gut,

and we want

> to replenish all of those strains. The issue with yogurt is that

it is not

> legal on the GAPS diet for a while, although the probiotic can be

taken

> right away. The yogurt is a wonderful probiotic and should not be

discounted

> for its value, however. In fact, Dr. CMB also says that probiotic

> ³maintenance² (once you are at that point) should include as many

live,

> lacto-fermented foods as possible, such as sauerkraut, yogurt, etc.

>

> I¹m not sure why the different strains of cultures in the Biokult

would be a

> problem. Can you forward where you got that info?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Peace,

>

>

>

> On 1/17/08 10:04 AM, "samadamfamily" <samadamfamily@...>

wrote:

>

> > i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come

across info

> > that says that bio

> > kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD

legal. as well as

> > having maltodextrin

> > in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb

thinks this

> > probiotic is better than

> > using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt,

being living,

> > would be better than

> > a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule

becomes inactive.

> >

> > thanks

> > sam

> >

> >

> >

>

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On Jan 18, 2008 5:48 AM, Katy <katywms@...> wrote:

We are doing fermented foods (kraut, kimchee, kombucha, lf pickles, chutney & sourdough)

and taking the Bio-Kult.

I think this is exactly what Dr. -McBride recommends -- to do both the BioKult and the fermented foods.

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> i'm going to > make the goat yogurt first then if we can't handle that we'll do almond milk. the culture is > $30 for a year supply so that's much more in our budget!

My dairy allergic daughter is drinking almond milk. If you end up culturing it, please give

me some instruction on how to do it. I've only tried making yogurt once and it was really

a disaster. But my dairy-allergic daughter loved eating Ricera rice yogurt before we did away

with all the rice in her diet. Since then I noticed my local Whole Foods stopped carrying that

brand. I have to wonder if we were one of the few customers that bought it from that store

and now that we're not, they had not reason to carry it. Ha!

Katy

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I believe this is what you're talking about: http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htmNow I am wondering whether I should take bio-kult or not...I think I will continue with my plan to be dairy-free for 1 month and take bio-kult during that time, and then if that goes well consider switching to raw cow or goat yogurt.

***The study finds that populations

with the highest colon cancer risk have a higher number of bifido bacteria

than populations with the lowest

risk. The authors were very surprised at this result since bifido bacteria

is a " good " bacteria. Of course this is an epidemiology study

(which always have flaws) but combined with Elaine's knowledge on the

subject sends a powerful warning in my mind.

t writes:

In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria

has different properties, different byproducts... I usually think of

it in terms of different levels of tenacity and agression. Your gut

is truly a multicultural society - some member are more altuistic,

and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the neighbourhood,

and some are only out for themselves.

L. Acidophilus is about as community-minded a bacterial strain as you

will find, with S.Thermophilus and L.Bulgaricus running a close second.

The others are either less friendly, or are unknown quantities. It gets

even more complicated if you consider soil based strains.

So we stick with Acidophilus in our supplements, and Acidophilus, Thermophilus

and Bulgaricus in our yoghurt, because they are good neighbours.

writes:

I am one who had used yoghurt containing Bifidus as my starter the first

eight months on the diet and after a few back to back flares where

nothing helped, Lucy clued me in that the Bifidus may have overgrown

in my colon and therefore caused my endless flare. Sure enough, after

I switched to the powdered yogourmet starter I literally came out of

the flare overnight! I am a big proponent

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i am planning to use yogurt from raw milk, not raw milk itself. i have tried drinking raw milk that is not cultured into yogurt and the results are not pretty! ;-)juliaOn Jan 18, 2008 5:50 PM, samadamfamily <

samadamfamily@...> wrote:

thank you julia for the link i don't know how to do that. we're going to finish our bottle of

bio kult and then try the yogurt. be careful if you have dairy sensitivities with the raw

milk. i would do yogurt before milk because yogurt is much easier to digest because the

lactose and casein are broken down quite a bit. plus the yogurt is a living probiotic that's

more powerful and healing at the same time.

sam

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