Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Interesting, it does make sense, but I think Bio-Kult and some of the other capsules are going to have a lot more varieties of bacteria than 3. Maybe that's part of the difference. I do understand the concern about it being in a package and who knows what the shelf life is. I'm with you there and just trusting the doctor. Interesting about coconut milk mentioned. Donna Gates' Body Ecology Diet has patients drink young coconut kefir with a little stevia for taste. I haven't looked at pecanbread yet. I know a few have mentioned it so maybe I need to check it out. Right now I lean towards what Dr. CMB says, but everyone is different. At least with a group like this we can all talk it out and figure out works best for us and share our experiences. Katy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of samadamfamilySent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: [ ] Re: dr. mcb help thank you katy and i wish i could forward the info but i don't know how : ) i' not very good with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it says that bifidus bacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut after the bad bacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically they suggest homemade goat yogurt that is specially fermented for 24 hrs. with 3 bacteria strains that are dairy free and are in large numbers. fermenting it that long will denature the casein making it harmless, it also says to drip the yogurt for very sensitive people. the yogurt will then be able to repopulate the gut with lactobacillus bacteria. the yogurt is more potent then the capsules because its living and fresh as supposed to in a capsule for who knows how long. also they go even further to say that if one can not have any dairy you can culture coconut milk or nut milk to make the yogurt as well, then after getting some good bacteria in the system you can try the goat yogurt again.> > Dr. CMB talks about what a good probiotic needs in her chapter probiotics.> She says that a good probiotic should have as many strains of bacteria as> possible because there are so many different strains in our gut, and we want> to replenish all of those strains. The issue with yogurt is that it is not> legal on the GAPS diet for a while, although the probiotic can be taken> right away. The yogurt is a wonderful probiotic and should not be discounted> for its value, however. In fact, Dr. CMB also says that probiotic> ³maintenance² (once you are at that point) should include as many live,> lacto-fermented foods as possible, such as sauerkraut, yogurt, etc.> > I¹m not sure why the different strains of cultures in the Biokult would be a> problem. Can you forward where you got that info?> > Thanks!> > Peace,> > > > On 1/17/08 10:04 AM, "samadamfamily" <samadamfamily@...> wrote:> > > i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across info> > that says that bio> > kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well as> > having maltodextrin> > in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this> > probiotic is better than> > using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living,> > would be better than> > a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes inactive.> > > > thanks> > sam > > > > > >> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Hmmm... just wondering about this...I'm wondering if you were to eat enough of a variety of fermented foods -- and a large enough quantity -- wouldn't that take care of things?I mean I understand the problem if you are just taking a probiotic. But if you eat a variety of fermented foods, you should have multiple strains. I have been thinking about this a lot lately because I'm currently fermenting:kefirfil mjolkbeet kvasssauerkrautkombuchasourdoughI know it sounds like a lot -- and I guess that's why I'm thinking about fermented foods so much! :-) But I'm just wondering if a variety of bacterium is the key. I am feeding my baby many of the above (actually everything except sourdough -- she is only 9 mos old).Ann Marie On Jan 17, 2008 6:58 PM, samadamfamily <samadamfamily@...> wrote: with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it says that bifidusbacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut after the badbacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically they suggest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 My understanding is its 2 things, the varieties of bacteria as well as the number of microorganisms. Without knowing exactly what kind of variety of bacteria you are getting in the fermented foods. I mean you are getting varieties of foods, but are you getting all the varieties of bacteria found in Bio-Kult? And what about the levels of microorganisms in each? I don't know the answers to those questions, but I'm sure someone has analyzed them. It be interesting to compare. Like I said Dr. C-McB is pro-food, anti-supplement, so if she felt that leaky gut could be reversed through diet, I am sure she would have recommended it. I imagine you could heal leaky gut that way but it may take more time as the levels of probiotic bacteria probably are not as great and as many varieties as the capsule, but that's just a guess. And I imagine an acute case of leaky gut (not sure what that would look like) might be healed through diet. However I think most of the patients Dr. C-McB sees have really bad cases. This is all a guess for me. I'm no expert, just what my intuition is telling me. We are doing fermented foods (kraut, kimchee, kombucha, lf pickles, chutney & sourdough) and taking the Bio-Kult. Katy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of inasnit@...Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: dr. mcb help Hmmm... just wondering about this...I'm wondering if you were to eat enough of a variety of fermented foods -- and a large enough quantity -- wouldn't that take care of things?I mean I understand the problem if you are just taking a probiotic. But if you eat a variety of fermented foods, you should have multiple strains. I have been thinking about this a lot lately because I'm currently fermenting:kefirfil mjolkbeet kvasssauerkrautkombuchasourdoughI know it sounds like a lot -- and I guess that's why I'm thinking about fermented foods so much! :-) But I'm just wondering if a variety of bacterium is the key. I am feeding my baby many of the above (actually everything except sourdough -- she is only 9 mos old).Ann Marie On Jan 17, 2008 6:58 PM, samadamfamily <samadamfamily > wrote: with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it says that bifidusbacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut after the badbacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically they suggest No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1230 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 4:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1230 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 4:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Katy and Sam, As far as shelf life of BioKult, here are 2 items of interest. First, if you go to the biokult website, you can look up the lot number of your bottle and view a lab report showing the tested number of live cultures, and the date of the test, so you know there are live cultures AFTER the manufacture (they take the caplets and culture them). Also, Jordin Rubin (Garden of Life), suggests an at home test for probiotics--open a capsule into milk and culture it at home, as you would kefir and the like. If it sours milk, the probiotic is active. I have done this several times with Biokult and always end up with a nicely soured product after a day on the counter. Katy wrote: Interesting, it does make sense, but I think Bio-Kult and some of the other capsules are going to have a lot more varieties of bacteria than 3. Maybe that's part of the difference. I do understand the concern about it being in a package and who knows what the shelf life is. I'm with you there and just trusting the doctor. Interesting about coconut milk mentioned. Donna Gates' Body Ecology Diet has patients drink young coconut kefir with a little stevia for taste. I haven't looked at pecanbread yet. I know a few have mentioned it so maybe I need to check it out. Right now I lean towards what Dr. CMB says, but everyone is different. At least with a group like this we can all talk it out and figure out works best for us and share our experiences. Katy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of samadamfamily Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: [ ] Re: dr. mcb help thank you katy and i wish i could forward the info but i don't know how : ) i' not very good with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it says that bifidus bacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut after the bad bacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically they suggest homemade goat yogurt that is specially fermented for 24 hrs. with 3 bacteria strains that are dairy free and are in large numbers. fermenting it that long will denature the casein making it harmless, it also says to drip the yogurt for very sensitive people. the yogurt will then be able to repopulate the gut with lactobacillus bacteria. the yogurt is more potent then the capsules because its living and fresh as supposed to in a capsule for who knows how long. also they go even further to say that if one can not have any dairy you can culture coconut milk or nut milk to make the yogurt as well, then after getting some good bacteria in the system you can try the goat yogurt again. > > Dr. CMB talks about what a good probiotic needs in her chapter probiotics. > She says that a good probiotic should have as many strains of bacteria as > possible because there are so many different strains in our gut, and we want > to replenish all of those strains. The issue with yogurt is that it is not > legal on the GAPS diet for a while, although the probiotic can be taken > right away. The yogurt is a wonderful probiotic and should not be discounted > for its value, however. In fact, Dr. CMB also says that probiotic > ³maintenance² (once you are at that point) should include as many live, > lacto-fermented foods as possible, such as sauerkraut, yogurt, etc. > > I¹m not sure why the different strains of cultures in the Biokult would be a > problem. Can you forward where you got that info? > > Thanks! > > Peace, > > > > On 1/17/08 10:04 AM, "samadamfamily" <samadamfamily@...> wrote: > > > i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across info > > that says that bio > > kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well as > > having maltodextrin > > in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this > > probiotic is better than > > using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living, > > would be better than > > a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes inactive. > > > > thanks > > sam > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 On Jan 18, 2008 5:48 AM, Katy <katywms@...> wrote: We are doing fermented foods (kraut, kimchee, kombucha, lf pickles, chutney & sourdough) and taking the Bio-Kult. I think this is exactly what Dr. -McBride recommends -- to do both the BioKult and the fermented foods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 > i'm going to > make the goat yogurt first then if we can't handle that we'll do almond milk. the culture is > $30 for a year supply so that's much more in our budget! My dairy allergic daughter is drinking almond milk. If you end up culturing it, please give me some instruction on how to do it. I've only tried making yogurt once and it was really a disaster. But my dairy-allergic daughter loved eating Ricera rice yogurt before we did away with all the rice in her diet. Since then I noticed my local Whole Foods stopped carrying that brand. I have to wonder if we were one of the few customers that bought it from that store and now that we're not, they had not reason to carry it. Ha! Katy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1230 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 4:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I believe this is what you're talking about: http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htmNow I am wondering whether I should take bio-kult or not...I think I will continue with my plan to be dairy-free for 1 month and take bio-kult during that time, and then if that goes well consider switching to raw cow or goat yogurt. ***The study finds that populations with the highest colon cancer risk have a higher number of bifido bacteria than populations with the lowest risk. The authors were very surprised at this result since bifido bacteria is a " good " bacteria. Of course this is an epidemiology study (which always have flaws) but combined with Elaine's knowledge on the subject sends a powerful warning in my mind. t writes: In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria has different properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of different levels of tenacity and agression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some member are more altuistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the neighbourhood, and some are only out for themselves. L. Acidophilus is about as community-minded a bacterial strain as you will find, with S.Thermophilus and L.Bulgaricus running a close second. The others are either less friendly, or are unknown quantities. It gets even more complicated if you consider soil based strains. So we stick with Acidophilus in our supplements, and Acidophilus, Thermophilus and Bulgaricus in our yoghurt, because they are good neighbours. writes: I am one who had used yoghurt containing Bifidus as my starter the first eight months on the diet and after a few back to back flares where nothing helped, Lucy clued me in that the Bifidus may have overgrown in my colon and therefore caused my endless flare. Sure enough, after I switched to the powdered yogourmet starter I literally came out of the flare overnight! I am a big proponent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 i am planning to use yogurt from raw milk, not raw milk itself. i have tried drinking raw milk that is not cultured into yogurt and the results are not pretty! ;-)juliaOn Jan 18, 2008 5:50 PM, samadamfamily < samadamfamily@...> wrote: thank you julia for the link i don't know how to do that. we're going to finish our bottle of bio kult and then try the yogurt. be careful if you have dairy sensitivities with the raw milk. i would do yogurt before milk because yogurt is much easier to digest because the lactose and casein are broken down quite a bit. plus the yogurt is a living probiotic that's more powerful and healing at the same time. sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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