Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I don't think Dr. McB follows all of SCD's recommendations. I'm still waiting to get my copy of BtVC. All the copies are checked out at the library. But from what I've gathered from others SCD recommends some unnatural sweeteners and of course Dr. McB is against that. Dr. McB has helped probably 1000s of kids in the UK. She's a neurologist and nutritionist and believes in resolving problems through diet. Since she has the medical training as well as the "enlightened" mind about nutrition, I would tend to believe her that Bio-Kult is going to be better. She stressed in her seminar at the WAPF conference that you need a good strong therapeutic level probiotic. Not something you get at the grocery store. She calls that a "fashion accessory" and says they were designed for healthy people who are trying to maintain their health, not for GAPS patients. They need a probiotic that has a very high number of bacteria and several different strains. More than what you get in your average garden variety probiotic at the store. Of course I don't know what bacteria and what quantities are in goat yogurt so I can't really compare them. Dr. McB is generally against supplements. She thinks we all need to get our requirements from our diets. But I think this is an exception because you are trying to kill off the bad bacteria and you need something really strong, as well as starving them by eliminating sugars, starches, etc. so that's why she designed the probiotic. I think in addition you have to consider that probably a high number of her patients are allergic to casein, so goat yogurt wouldn't work, because there is still casein in it, although the bacteria do help to break it down. My daughter, for exmple, could not consume goat yogurt. And in Dr. McB's diet plan, she has all of her patients off dairy for several months, so then you couldn't be consuming goat yogurt. I don't know I guess I come at this having heard Dr. McB first and then learning about SCD through her. So I trust her as an authority first and then will refer to the BtVC book when I get it. I'd be more apt to lean toward's Dr. McB's recommendations if/when they conflict with Elaine Gotschall's (author of BtVC), but that's just my opinion. I know others of you come at this from having started with SCD first and just learning about GAPS through this loop or from other sources. There is previous discussion about the maltodextrin in Bio-Kult if you go back and search through the conversation on . Basically maltodextrin is the food that the bacteria feed on, but she says that only a very, very small number of patients have a problem with it. For those that do, she has other formulas. Unfortunately I think some of those that come from SCD and then find GAPS a lot of times can get hung up on the maltodextrin. I guess I trust Dr. McB enough (based on her results) that I don't worry about it. Click here to hear an MP3 of Dr. McB's answer when the maltodextrin topic came up at the conference: http://www.greekgiftsetc.com/HealthInfo/ Hope that helps, Katy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of samadamfamilySent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: [ ] dr. mcb help i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across info that says that bio kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well as having maltodextrin in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this probiotic is better than using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living, would be better than a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes inactive.thankssam No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hi Sam, Dr. CMB talks about what a good probiotic needs in her chapter probiotics. She says that a good probiotic should have as many strains of bacteria as possible because there are so many different strains in our gut, and we want to replenish all of those strains. The issue with yogurt is that it is not legal on the GAPS diet for a while, although the probiotic can be taken right away. The yogurt is a wonderful probiotic and should not be discounted for its value, however. In fact, Dr. CMB also says that probiotic “maintenance” (once you are at that point) should include as many live, lacto-fermented foods as possible, such as sauerkraut, yogurt, etc. I’m not sure why the different strains of cultures in the Biokult would be a problem. Can you forward where you got that info? Thanks! Peace, On 1/17/08 10:04 AM, " samadamfamily " <samadamfamily@...> wrote: i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across info that says that bio kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well as having maltodextrin in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this probiotic is better than using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living, would be better than a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes inactive. thanks sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 thank you katy and i wish i could forward the info but i don't know how : ) i' not very good with computers. the info i got is from the pecanbread web site and it says that bifidus bacteria are an opportunistic bacteria and when they repopulate the gut after the bad bacteria die's off they can over grow and cause relapses. basically they suggest homemade goat yogurt that is specially fermented for 24 hrs. with 3 bacteria strains that are dairy free and are in large numbers. fermenting it that long will denature the casein making it harmless, it also says to drip the yogurt for very sensitive people. the yogurt will then be able to repopulate the gut with lactobacillus bacteria. the yogurt is more potent then the capsules because its living and fresh as supposed to in a capsule for who knows how long. also they go even further to say that if one can not have any dairy you can culture coconut milk or nut milk to make the yogurt as well, then after getting some good bacteria in the system you can try the goat yogurt again. > > Dr. CMB talks about what a good probiotic needs in her chapter probiotics. > She says that a good probiotic should have as many strains of bacteria as > possible because there are so many different strains in our gut, and we want > to replenish all of those strains. The issue with yogurt is that it is not > legal on the GAPS diet for a while, although the probiotic can be taken > right away. The yogurt is a wonderful probiotic and should not be discounted > for its value, however. In fact, Dr. CMB also says that probiotic > ³maintenance² (once you are at that point) should include as many live, > lacto-fermented foods as possible, such as sauerkraut, yogurt, etc. > > I¹m not sure why the different strains of cultures in the Biokult would be a > problem. Can you forward where you got that info? > > Thanks! > > Peace, > > > > On 1/17/08 10:04 AM, " samadamfamily " <samadamfamily@...> wrote: > > > i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across info > > that says that bio > > kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well as > > having maltodextrin > > in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this > > probiotic is better than > > using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living, > > would be better than > > a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes inactive. > > > > thanks > > sam > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 The protein is goat milk is different than cow's milk. Most people who have a casein sensitivity tolerate goat milk. Anne RE: [ ] dr. mcb help I don't think Dr. McB follows all of SCD's recommendations. I'm still waiting to get my copy of BtVC. All the copies are checked out at the library. But from what I've gathered from others SCD recommends some unnatural sweeteners and of course Dr. McB is against that. Dr. McB has helped probably 1000s of kids in the UK. She's a neurologist and nutritionist and believes in resolving problems through diet. Since she has the medical training as well as the "enlightened" mind about nutrition, I would tend to believe her that Bio-Kult is going to be better. She stressed in her seminar at the WAPF conference that you need a good strong therapeutic level probiotic. Not something you get at the grocery store. She calls that a "fashion accessory" and says they were designed for healthy people who are trying to maintain their health, not for GAPS patients. They need a probiotic that has a very high number of bacteria and several different strains. More than what you get in your average garden variety probiotic at the store. Of course I don't know what bacteria and what quantities are in goat yogurt so I can't really compare them. Dr. McB is generally against supplements. She thinks we all need to get our requirements from our diets. But I think this is an exception because you are trying to kill off the bad bacteria and you need something really strong, as well as starving them by eliminating sugars, starches, etc. so that's why she designed the probiotic. I think in addition you have to consider that probably a high number of her patients are allergic to casein, so goat yogurt wouldn't work, because there is still casein in it, although the bacteria do help to break it down. My daughter, for exmple, could not consume goat yogurt. And in Dr. McB's diet plan, she has all of her patients off dairy for several months, so then you couldn't be consuming goat yogurt. I don't know I guess I come at this having heard Dr. McB first and then learning about SCD through her. So I trust her as an authority first and then will refer to the BtVC book when I get it. I'd be more apt to lean toward's Dr. McB's recommendations if/when they conflict with Elaine Gotschall's (author of BtVC), but that's just my opinion. I know others of you come at this from having started with SCD first and just learning about GAPS through this loop or from other sources. There is previous discussion about the maltodextrin in Bio-Kult if you go back and search through the conversation on . Basically maltodextrin is the food that the bacteria feed on, but she says that only a very, very small number of patients have a problem with it. For those that do, she has other formulas. Unfortunately I think some of those that come from SCD and then find GAPS a lot of times can get hung up on the maltodextrin. I guess I trust Dr. McB enough (based on her results) that I don't worry about it. Click here to hear an MP3 of Dr. McB's answer when the maltodextrin topic came up at the conference: http://www.greekgiftsetc.com/HealthInfo/ Hope that helps, Katy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of samadamfamilySent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: [ ] dr. mcb help i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across info that says that bio kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well as having maltodextrin in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this probiotic is better than using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living, would be better than a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes inactive.thankssam No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Not my daughter. It might help some, but not all. Katy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Anne Fischer-SilvaSent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [ ] dr. mcb help The protein is goat milk is different than cow's milk. Most people who have a casein sensitivity tolerate goat milk. Anne RE: [ ] dr. mcb help I don't think Dr. McB follows all of SCD's recommendations. I'm still waiting to get my copy of BtVC. All the copies are checked out at the library. But from what I've gathered from others SCD recommends some unnatural sweeteners and of course Dr. McB is against that. Dr. McB has helped probably 1000s of kids in the UK. She's a neurologist and nutritionist and believes in resolving problems through diet. Since she has the medical training as well as the "enlightened" mind about nutrition, I would tend to believe her that Bio-Kult is going to be better. She stressed in her seminar at the WAPF conference that you need a good strong therapeutic level probiotic. Not something you get at the grocery store. She calls that a "fashion accessory" and says they were designed for healthy people who are trying to maintain their health, not for GAPS patients. They need a probiotic that has a very high number of bacteria and several different strains. More than what you get in your average garden variety probiotic at the store. Of course I don't know what bacteria and what quantities are in goat yogurt so I can't really compare them. Dr. McB is generally against supplements. She thinks we all need to get our requirements from our diets. But I think this is an exception because you are trying to kill off the bad bacteria and you need something really strong, as well as starving them by eliminating sugars, starches, etc. so that's why she designed the probiotic. I think in addition you have to consider that probably a high number of her patients are allergic to casein, so goat yogurt wouldn't work, because there is still casein in it, although the bacteria do help to break it down. My daughter, for exmple, could not consume goat yogurt. And in Dr. McB's diet plan, she has all of her patients off dairy for several months, so then you couldn't be consuming goat yogurt. I don't know I guess I come at this having heard Dr. McB first and then learning about SCD through her. So I trust her as an authority first and then will refer to the BtVC book when I get it. I'd be more apt to lean toward's Dr. McB's recommendations if/when they conflict with Elaine Gotschall's (author of BtVC), but that's just my opinion. I know others of you come at this from having started with SCD first and just learning about GAPS through this loop or from other sources. There is previous discussion about the maltodextrin in Bio-Kult if you go back and search through the conversation on . Basically maltodextrin is the food that the bacteria feed on, but she says that only a very, very small number of patients have a problem with it. For those that do, she has other formulas. Unfortunately I think some of those that come from SCD and then find GAPS a lot of times can get hung up on the maltodextrin. I guess I trust Dr. McB enough (based on her results) that I don't worry about it. Click here to hear an MP3 of Dr. McB's answer when the maltodextrin topic came up at the conference: http://www.greekgiftsetc.com/HealthInfo/ Hope that helps, Katy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of samadamfamilySent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: [ ] dr. mcb help i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across info that says that bio kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well as having maltodextrin in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this probiotic is better than using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living, would be better than a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes inactive.thankssam No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 9:01 AM No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1230 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 4:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1230 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 4:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 > > > > > i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across > info > > > that says that bio > > > kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well > as > > > having maltodextrin > > > in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this > > > probiotic is better than > > > using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living, > > > would be better than > > > a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes > inactive. > > > > > > thanks > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 > 9:01 AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 > 9:01 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 check out breakingthevicouscycle.info under the knowledge base section check out the info on bifidus bacteria. its under the a-f section sam > > > > > > > > i've been doing allot of research on probiotics and have come across > > info > > > > that says that bio > > > > kult has too many different strains of bacteria to be SCD legal. as well > > as > > > > having maltodextrin > > > > in it. i was wondering if anyone has info on why dr. mcb thinks this > > > > probiotic is better than > > > > using the SCD legal goat yogurt? i would think the yogurt, being living, > > > > would be better than > > > > a capsule because over time the bacteria in the capsule becomes > > inactive. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > sam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 > > 9:01 AM > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 1/16/2008 > > 9:01 AM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 you'll need a yogurt maker and i bought mine from GIprohealth.com the same place i got the culture. there's lots of info on how to make the yogurt and how to make it with other alternative milks. for almond milk you use double the amount of starter which is 1/4tsp. for almond milk and instead of letting it ferment for 24hrs. with almond milk you only go 8-10hrs. the maker is $40 but you might be able to find cheaper ones at bed bath and beyond. you can also use a dehydrator to make the yogurt. i would check out the site and see what you think. also go to pecanbread.com for more yogurt making info. sam > > i'm going to > > make the goat yogurt first then if we can't handle that we'll do almond > milk. the culture is > > $30 for a year supply so that's much more in our budget! > > My dairy allergic daughter is drinking almond milk. If you end up culturing > it, please give > me some instruction on how to do it. I've only tried making yogurt once and > it was really > a disaster. But my dairy-allergic daughter loved eating Ricera rice yogurt > before we did away > with all the rice in her diet. Since then I noticed my local Whole Foods > stopped carrying that > brand. I have to wonder if we were one of the few customers that bought it > from that store > and now that we're not, they had not reason to carry it. Ha! > > Katy > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1230 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 > 4:59 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 thank you julia for the link i don't know how to do that. we're going to finish our bottle of bio kult and then try the yogurt. be careful if you have dairy sensitivities with the raw milk. i would do yogurt before milk because yogurt is much easier to digest because the lactose and casein are broken down quite a bit. plus the yogurt is a living probiotic that's more powerful and healing at the same time. sam > I believe this is what you're talking about: > http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm > > Now I am wondering whether I should take bio-kult or not...I think I will > continue with my plan to be dairy-free for 1 month and take bio-kult during > that time, and then if that goes well consider switching to raw cow or goat > yogurt. > > > *** > > The study finds that populations with the highest colon cancer risk have a > higher number of bifido bacteria than populations with the lowest risk. The > authors were very surprised at this result since bifido bacteria is a " good " > bacteria. Of course this is an epidemiology study (which always have flaws) > but combined with Elaine's knowledge on the subject sends a powerful warning > in my mind. > > t writes: > In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria > has different properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in > terms of different levels of tenacity and agression. Your gut is truly a > multicultural society - some member are more altuistic, and others are > criminal. Some are interested in improving the neighbourhood, and some are > only out for themselves. > > L. Acidophilus is about as community-minded a bacterial strain as you will > find, with S.Thermophilus and L.Bulgaricus running a close second. The > others are either less friendly, or are unknown quantities. It gets even > more complicated if you consider soil based strains. > > So we stick with Acidophilus in our supplements, and Acidophilus, > Thermophilus and Bulgaricus in our yoghurt, because they are good > neighbours. > > writes: > I am one who had used yoghurt containing Bifidus as my starter the first > eight months on the diet and after a few back to back flares where nothing > helped, Lucy clued me in that the Bifidus may have overgrown in my colon and > therefore caused my endless flare. Sure enough, after I switched to the > powdered yogourmet starter I literally came out of the flare overnight! I am > a big proponent > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 > > > thank you julia for the link i don't know how to do that. we're going to > > finish our bottle of > > bio kult and then try the yogurt. be careful if you have dairy > > sensitivities with the raw > > milk. i would do yogurt before milk because yogurt is much easier to > > digest because the > > lactose and casein are broken down quite a bit. plus the yogurt is a > > living probiotic that's > > more powerful and healing at the same time. > > sam > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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