Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Experimental Treatment of CFS/FM/etc*****Original message***** Also, Valerian. For nighttime: benadryl, although it can dehydrate you. Otherwise, it makes you feel calm and cozy and gives you good dreams. People also swear by Resue Remedy. Something I have not tried is Rescue Remedy, but people swear by it. I'm one of those people who would swear by it :-) I have used Rescue Remedy on occasion for a long time (years before I came down with CFS/ME) and I find it to be fantastic for severe anxiety. I have a small bottle in my handbag so it is with me whenever I might need it. Usual dosage is 3 or 4 drops under the tongue as needed. You can't overdose on it so it's totally safe to take as often as you need to. Just helps to keep you calm and stop the anxiety level from peaking (read meltdown or tears as per your tendency). You can usually get it at health food or Vitamin shops and it has recently even been released in a convenient spay bottle - perfect in your handbag for out and about (even small enough to get through airport security regulations). In Australia there has recently been a new variety released called " Rescue Remedy Sleep " which includes White Chestnut to specifically help with sleep problems. I'd say definitely give it a try - as long as you tolerate the alcohol solution ok then it can be a great (and immediate) calmative for extreme anxiety. I often use it if I have to go into town (with all the crowds and noise) and frequently take a dose just before going in to see my doctor - as that is always a stressful/anxious time. Hope this helps; cheers Lake lake@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Hi If you have?ANXIETY - you should try the gupta programme alongside relaxation CDS, massages, chiropractor to realign your body neck and shoulders. Regards CS Re: Anxiety Experimental Treatment of CFS/FM/etc*****Original message***** Also, Valerian. For nighttime: benadryl, although it can dehydrate you. Otherwise, it makes you feel calm and cozy and gives you good dreams. People also swear by Resue Remedy. Something I have not tried is Rescue Remedy, but people swear by it. I'm one of those people who would swear by it :-) I have used Rescue Remedy on occasion for a long time (years before I came down with CFS/ME) and I find it to be fantastic for severe anxiety. I have a small bottle in my handbag so it is with me whenever I might need it. Usual dosage is 3 or 4 drops under the tongue as needed. You can't overdose on it so it's totally safe to take as often as you need to. Just helps to keep you calm and stop the anxiety level from peaking (read meltdown or tears as per your tendency). You can usually get it at health food or Vitamin shops and it has recently even been released in a convenient spay bottle - perfect in your handbag for out and about (even small enough to get through airport security regulations). In Australia there has recently been a new variety released called " Rescue Remedy Sleep " which includes White Chestnut to specifically help with sleep problems. I'd say definitely give it a try - as long as you tolerate the alcohol solution ok then it can be a great (and immediate) calmative for extreme anxiety. I often use it if I have to go into town (with all the crowds and noise) and frequently take a dose just before going in to see my doctor - as that is always a stressful/anxious time. Hope this helps; cheers Lake lake@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 > > Hi Everyone, > > I am fairly new to the group but have been faithfully reading all the posts. I am honestly not sure if I have a candida issue. I have taken the self tests and I am right in the middle of " maybe " LOL. +++Hi Tina. Welcome to our group. Even if you don't have candida, but you have health problems and issues, this program will help you. The reason it helps regain health is because it is designed to build up the immune system, mainly with " proper nutrients " the body needs so it can heal itself naturally. > > I had developed such bad anxiety over the past few years. Dr.'s put me on meds and it was AWFUL! I'd rather have anxiety 24x7 than take those meds again. I was a walking zomby. To add to the mix ~ I quit smoking last year after 20 years (I am 41)... It wasn't that hard. It was effects that my body has now taken on because of the NON smoking. +++This program will help with anxiety and depression too. Good for you for stopping smoking. > > I believe that our bodies go through a lot and I believe in natural healing and treatments. I workout every day and I am pretty active with 3 kids. I now have to watch everything that goes into my mouth. I used to say " I eat to live NOT live to eat " .. I crave carbs now more than anything. I love them! +++That's good you believe in natural healing and treatments. The fact that you crave carbs is a good sign you do have candida. > > So as you can see I am trying to figure things out. Your thoughts and suggestions are sooooo helpful and appreciate. +++The best place to start is by reading about candida, and what you need to do and why - these 2 articles are most important: 1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida 2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php For encouragement see these Success Stories by members of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php The best in health, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I have always been a huge advocate that physical problems in the body i.e. vitamin/mineral deficiencies, abnormalities CAUSE MENTAL ISSUES! get rid of candida, heavy metals, get labwork done (hair mineral analysis is superior for heavy metal testing, 24 hr urinary cortisol levels checked, **salivary cortisol levels, tested 3-4 times throughout the day** (gold standard). you CAN defeat this the natural way dont fall for prescription drugs i went through 4 different anti anxiety medications...and Im still getting over this. YOUR BODY IS NOT DEFICIENT IN PAXIL OR KLONOPIN OR XANAX! WAKE UP PPL! see a naturopath asap he or she will help you get through this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 > > I have always been a huge advocate that physical problems in the body i.e. vitamin/mineral deficiencies, abnormalities CAUSE MENTAL ISSUES! > > get rid of candida, heavy metals, get labwork done (hair mineral analysis is superior for heavy metal testing, 24 hr urinary cortisol levels checked, **salivary cortisol levels, tested 3-4 times throughout the day** (gold standard). +++Hi there. What is your name please? Please do not make such recommendations on my Group. My program naturally chelates out all heavy metals, and labwork doesn't help anyone, since our bodies are smart enough to balance out all of its nutrient levels just by giving it what it needs to do its job, which is mainly " proper nutrients. " Thank you, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hi , I too have noticed some anxiety while on this program. It is kind of new for me, and just figure it is part of the process. I like to think of it as the bad stuff coming out, even emotionally. Some things that help me are warm epsom salt baths, gentle yoga, deep breathing. Putting a drop of lavendar oil on a lightbulb or using and essential oil diffuser sometimes helps too. The cravings can be tough. For me, it just took some time. Just tell yourself when you get those cravings that it is the yeast starving. That thought may help you get through them. Blessings! Marcie > > hi everyone, > As I continue on the diet I am finding that my anxiety is pretty severe. My cravings also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 > > hi everyone, > As I continue on the diet I am finding that my anxiety is pretty severe. My cravings also. I find I fall back into eating nuts now and again because of the cravings and anxiety. > > I guess I just keep plugging forward and eventually it will even out? > Have others had this back and forth progress but then it will even out? > > I am trying the vitamin C for the cravings. Not sure how to help the anxiety. +++Hi . You can search any word on my website, like anxiety, and get appropriate articles. There's one for Anxiety & Depression - the Search is Google, up in the top-right corner. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hi everyone, thanks for responding. Bee I will do that search, Marcie and April, glad to know I'm not alone. April, I have a 5 yr old so I know what you mean about feeling badly when i don't feel well. sometimes I snap at her and then i feel guilty. > > > > hi everyone, > > As I continue on the diet I am finding that my anxiety is pretty severe. My cravings also. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I had this problem for yrs. It started after I went on TRT but I later found out it was not the Testosterone doing this. Men on TRT or with low T can have high levels of Estraidol and I suffered from Panic problem for yrs and ED and the loss of my sex life. When I heard about high levels of Estradiol in men and tested this I was very high. When I took Arimidex to get this down I got my morning wood back and now more ED problems and my Panic Attacks stopped. You need to test this I do this test at Quest labs Estradiol Sensitive #4021 the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml best to be at 20. Today I gage my Estradiol levels by my night time and morning wood. On Arimidex one can go down to low this will kill you wood but not cause Panic Attacks. It's when I start going to high I have them again. =================================================== How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > Subject: Anxiety > > Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 11:01 AM > Hi One of the first things that sent > me to the doctor was I developed some major anxiety and had > a few panic attacks. Is this a sign of low t? And will they > clear up with treatment? I've read a little about trt making > it worse in some men. Any help appreciated. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 What Phil said. Also, cortisol, too high OR too low can cause anxiety. > > Hi One of the first things that sent me to the doctor was I developed some major anxiety and had a few panic attacks. Is this a sign of low t? And will they clear up with treatment? I've read a little about trt making it worse in some men. Any help appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 My son has very high anxiety in terms of what I believe it to be. The only anxiety I know is what we as adults feel. Does anxiety show differently in young children?He constantly worries, like all day. He'll go to bed thinking about "X" and the first thing out of his mouth when he wakes is "X". Not skipping a beat. We have to be careful not to tell him things to far in advance. We learned the hard way.He complains of tummy aches every morning before school to where he's dry heaving. On weekends, the symptoms of "butterflies" go away unless he has a t-ball game.He cries before school and at school and we have to stay there until class begins He used to visably tremble, usually before school. I've helped in the classroom and continue to do so every other week and he seems fine once class gets going. I don't notice anything out of the ordinary that would be causing this behavior in the mornings. His teacher is awesome, she really likes my son and he does really, really well in school as far as academics. On the playground, he kind of sticks to himself. It is kindergarten so I understand the playing together thing is developing at about this age.Any and all comments are appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 I would speak to his doctor, therapist or psychiatrist about this. I know my son has high anxiety too! I think the whole social scene is so overwhelming to them, the unknown. Fear of change, not knowing...going to school is taking them out of their comfort zone. Once there and in the classroom they can settle in and feel comfortable. As you said he has a great teacher and all. I know my son who is 15 is like that too. In 3rd grade we could not get him to school at all for a couple of days. My son complains of stomach aches and such. It is all anxiety ...anxiety of what is going to happen, what will the day be like, etc. School is alot for our children. This is my thought...have his school guidance counselor work with him, get him some outside help such as therapy to learn to deal with the anxiety. I think if you start with him early it will help him a lot. I wish I had with my son. And, as school progresses the anxiety can either decrease or increase. Read as much as you can and work with him now as he is young. Get him to try new situations and new things. These are my thoughts...you as a parent know best. j "In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein Success is not measured by one's position but by the obstacles one has overcome to obtain that position From: Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...> Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 6:22:00 PMSubject: ( ) anxiety My son has very high anxiety in terms of what I believe it to be. The only anxiety I know is what we as adults feel. Does anxiety show differently in young children?He constantly worries, like all day. He'll go to bed thinking about "X" and the first thing out of his mouth when he wakes is "X". Not skipping a beat. We have to be careful not to tell him things to far in advance. We learned the hard way.He complains of tummy aches every morning before school to where he's dry heaving. On weekends, the symptoms of "butterflies" go away unless he has a t-ball game.He cries before school and at school and we have to stay there until class begins He used to visably tremble, usually before school. I've helped in the classroom and continue to do so every other week and he seems fine once class gets going. I don't notice anything out of the ordinary that would be causing this behavior in the mornings. His teacher is awesome, she really likes my son and he does really, really well in school as far as academics. On the playground, he kind of sticks to himself. It is kindergarten so I understand the playing together thing is developing at about this age.Any and all comments are appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 My child is 8 and has terrible anxiety. Everything outside of his family is high anxiety; school is terrible. About a month ago, i put him on Prozac, I can tell a difference in homework. Before this med, he could not tell me a answer to a math problem, scared of getting it wrong. Now he can spit it out without a problem. I was thinking he didnt know his multiplication problems; we were wrong, he was to scared to answer them. this is the only med he is on; meds (stimulants) make him go hay wire.....From: rushen janice <jrushen@...> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:04:40 AMSubject: Re: ( ) anxiety I would speak to his doctor, therapist or psychiatrist about this. I know my son has high anxiety too! I think the whole social scene is so overwhelming to them, the unknown. Fear of change, not knowing...going to school is taking them out of their comfort zone. Once there and in the classroom they can settle in and feel comfortable. As you said he has a great teacher and all. I know my son who is 15 is like that too. In 3rd grade we could not get him to school at all for a couple of days. My son complains of stomach aches and such. It is all anxiety ...anxiety of what is going to happen, what will the day be like, etc. School is alot for our children. This is my thought...have his school guidance counselor work with him, get him some outside help such as therapy to learn to deal with the anxiety. I think if you start with him early it will help him a lot. I wish I had with my son. And, as school progresses the anxiety can either decrease or increase. Read as much as you can and work with him now as he is young. Get him to try new situations and new things. These are my thoughts...you as a parent know best. j "In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein Success is not measured by one's position but by the obstacles one has overcome to obtain that position From: Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...> Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 6:22:00 PMSubject: ( ) anxiety My son has very high anxiety in terms of what I believe it to be. The only anxiety I know is what we as adults feel. Does anxiety show differently in young children?He constantly worries, like all day. He'll go to bed thinking about "X" and the first thing out of his mouth when he wakes is "X". Not skipping a beat. We have to be careful not to tell him things to far in advance. We learned the hard way.He complains of tummy aches every morning before school to where he's dry heaving. On weekends, the symptoms of "butterflies" go away unless he has a t-ball game.He cries before school and at school and we have to stay there until class begins He used to visably tremble, usually before school. I've helped in the classroom and continue to do so every other week and he seems fine once class gets going. I don't notice anything out of the ordinary that would be causing this behavior in the mornings. His teacher is awesome, she really likes my son and he does really, really well in school as far as academics. On the playground, he kind of sticks to himself. It is kindergarten so I understand the playing together thing is developing at about this age.Any and all comments are appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 If I knew then what I know now, I would have home schooled my daughter at the first sign of these things. She reacted this way and the kids made fun of her and how wierd she was and so they picked on her and picked on her until now she just got tested for self esteem and the doctor said he has never seen a score so low. She hates herself and can not make friends or feel good about anything she does. I now see that some people just take a lot longer to be comfortable around other people, and I would have given her more time to catch up with the other kids before I left there, alone to fend for herself everyday. Big hugs to you and your child, From: Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...>Subject: ( ) anxiety Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 6:22 PM My son has very high anxiety in terms of what I believe it to be. The only anxiety I know is what we as adults feel. Does anxiety show differently in young children?He constantly worries, like all day. He'll go to bed thinking about "X" and the first thing out of his mouth when he wakes is "X". Not skipping a beat. We have to be careful not to tell him things to far in advance. We learned the hard way.He complains of tummy aches every morning before school to where he's dry heaving. On weekends, the symptoms of "butterflies" go away unless he has a t-ball game.He cries before school and at school and we have to stay there until class begins He used to visably tremble, usually before school. I've helped in the classroom and continue to do so every other week and he seems fine once class gets going. I don't notice anything out of the ordinary that would be causing this behavior in the mornings. His teacher is awesome, she really likes my son and he does really, really well in school as far as academics. On the playground, he kind of sticks to himself. It is kindergarten so I understand the playing together thing is developing at about this age.Any and all comments are appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Sounds like detox to me. Try lowering the dosage, or taking whatever it is that's bothering you every other day. I do detox baths twice a week, and sometimes they really wire me. NOT a good nighttime experience! > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the anxiety? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Hi genetic polymorphisms in your methylation could have something to do with it. Methylation is a very complex chemical process that occurs in every cell. Dr Amy Yasko is the guru in this area, however if you have cfs go over onto the cfs_yasko group and learn about its role in glutathione depletion to name one of its functions. crusaderD > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the anxiety? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 > > > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the anxiety? > > > Thanks for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I'm sorry, I can't find the original email to respond to this. The heart palpitations are not from too much detox, it's from the TYPE of detox that is putting a strain on your adrenals and depleting cortisol. Hence the palpitations. I have the CBS mutation and when I do too much that then backs up the sulfur pathway, this depletes cortisol (pardon me, I don't have a great understanding of all this, but do know that this happens as a sure thing). I get weak attacks combined with palpitations. I have starting taking Cortef to control these crashes and it has made a HUGE difference so far. No more palpitations. ________________________________ From: P N <cb122@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: anxiety  > > > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the anxiety? > > > Thanks for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Thank you, , for that! I have the CBS issue, and didn't put together that my palps have improved since starting Cortef! Can't say much about the crashes at this point, but the detox is not so unsettling. > > > > > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the anxiety? > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I am cbs plus minus also Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange Re: anxiety Thank you, , for that! I have the CBS issue, and didn't put together that my palps have improved since starting Cortef! Can't say much about the crashes at this point, but the detox is not so unsettling. > > > > > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the anxiety? > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 That's exactly how I've been feeling, but someone on another group mentioned if we are CBS++ it's important to NOT take the methyl form of B-12. I checked mine and, sure enough, my doctor had me on the methyl form of it. I stopped it and also stopped a B complex supplement I was on that had it and the anxiety reduced quite a bit. When I checked the list of supplements/vitamins Yasko advises, the methyl form was not listed on mine (for what it's worth). Hope this helps ... LaVerne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the anxiety? > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 u sure it's anxiety? could it be excitoxicity? that seems to be another thing that increases on this protocol.. I got to say I think we can all use methyl B12 eventually..u just have to be ready for the detox..if that's where it takes you. Didn't Rich just post a study ..think it was an animal study..showing that hydroxy cannot be converted to methyl in the presence of oxidative stress? It's on Phoenix Rising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 It could be? What's the main differences? And the cure while on protocol? Thanks Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange Re: anxiety u sure it's anxiety? could it be excitoxicity? that seems to be another thing that increases on this protocol.. I got to say I think we can all use methyl B12 eventually..u just have to be ready for the detox..if that's where it takes you. Didn't Rich just post a study ..think it was an animal study..showing that hydroxy cannot be converted to methyl in the presence of oxidative stress? It's on Phoenix Rising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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