Melatonin

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From what I understand melatonin is the precursor for seratonin.

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From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:25:51 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Melatonin

I do not do well with melatonin. Someone told me there is a relationship with

seratonin (I'm pretty sure that was it) and if seratonin is messed up then

melatonin might not be tolerated.

Anyone else hear that?

Pam

>

> > Yes, you can give Melatonin. It comes in chewable (sublingual) or

> > regular. Several dose levels, 1mg, 2.5 mg, 3mg, 5mg. If you are

> > giving it to a child, they can have up to 5mgs. Adults can adjust

> > their dose to appropriate levels. There is no wean off period as

> > it works with the B-Complex vitamin system. There is no build up

> > either. This info is from a combination of personal research and

> > our developmental pediatrician' s suggestion to USE melatonin, if

> > you can believe it! But be aware, once it's in your system, you

> > should be ready and prepared to go to bed once it takes effect. It

> > should take effect within 30 minutes to an hour. There is no

> > " hangover " the next day either.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think it's the other way round, serotonin is the precursor for

melatonin.

Gail

> >

> > > Yes, you can give Melatonin. It comes in chewable (sublingual) or

> > > regular. Several dose levels, 1mg, 2.5 mg, 3mg, 5mg. If you are

> > > giving it to a child, they can have up to 5mgs. Adults can adjust

> > > their dose to appropriate levels. There is no wean off period as

> > > it works with the B-Complex vitamin system. There is no build up

> > > either. This info is from a combination of personal research and

> > > our developmental pediatrician' s suggestion to USE melatonin, if

> > > you can believe it! But be aware, once it's in your system, you

> > > should be ready and prepared to go to bed once it takes effect. It

> > > should take effect within 30 minutes to an hour. There is no

> > > " hangover " the next day either.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

We use melatonin as needed. Our 5 yr old does well with it, and less than 1 mg

knocks him out. I take 1.5 mgs as needed and it knocks me out. It does give me

anxiety dreams, and our son does get nightmares occasionally from it. Maggied.

>

> can i give melatonin as needed or is there a problem with not being consistent

with this? do you have to ween off of it, when you longer want to take it?

thanks

>

[Guest guest]

I used to give it to my daughter as well and then I read in DR. Vliet's book

that Melatonin is okay for boys but is not good for girls due to the effect it

has on girl hormones. The studies done where it says there is no negative

effect was done on men so I have been giving benadryl if necessary at

bedtime-btw my dd is NT and I haven't needed to give her anything in a while but

my son still gets the melatonin.

" Recent studies have shown an alarming connection in women taking melatonin

supplements: they had much higher serum levels of cortisol than did women taking

placebo. Melatonins effect was not seen in the men. So when women take

melatonin at night to help improve sleep they are hit really hard: The melatonin

itself makes you hungrier, makes you more efficient at storing fat, and

stimulates cortisol production.........Do not take melatonin on a nightly basis,

as it may cause clinical depression, weight gain, headaches, and elevated

cortisol levels in women. " Dr. Vliet, " Women, Weight, and Hormones " .

This book is for older women but, in my opinion, hormones are hormones so I

don't give it to my 3.5 year old dd anymore. SHannon

> >

> > can i give melatonin as needed or is there a problem with not being

consistent with this? do you have to ween off of it, when you longer want to

take it? thanks

> >

>

[Guest guest]

does your child feel groggy from the benadryl in the morning?

On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:34 PM, S wrote:

> I used to give it to my daughter as well and then I read in DR.

> Vliet's book that Melatonin is okay for boys but is not good for

> girls due to the effect it has on girl hormones. The studies done

> where it says there is no negative effect was done on men so I have

> been giving benadryl if necessary at bedtime-btw my dd is NT and I

> haven't needed to give her anything in a while but my son still

> gets the melatonin.

> " Recent studies have shown an alarming connection in women taking

> melatonin supplements: they had much higher serum levels of

> cortisol than did women taking placebo. Melatonins effect was not

> seen in the men. So when women take melatonin at night to help

> improve sleep they are hit really hard: The melatonin itself makes

> you hungrier, makes you more efficient at storing fat, and

> stimulates cortisol production.........Do not take melatonin on a

> nightly basis, as it may cause clinical depression, weight gain,

> headaches, and elevated cortisol levels in women. " Dr.

> Vliet, " Women, Weight, and Hormones " . This book is for older women

> but, in my opinion, hormones are hormones so I don't give it to my

> 3.5 year old dd anymore. SHannon

>

>

> > >

> > > can i give melatonin as needed or is there a problem with not

> being consistent with this? do you have to ween off of it, when you

> longer want to take it? thanks

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anecdotal & not totally cohesive, but,...(for us) thinking too much serotonin,

due to inability to process melatonin from. (my girl who, from the get go to

about age 2, didn't sleep ....until melatonin)

...inability to turn serotonin into melatonin, causing multiple issues - taking

melatonin was a total boon, for both of us ...but do not consider " lack of

serotonin " the problem. Actually think for her, it ended up with too much

serotonin floated about...We used melatonin " as needed. " Even tho I was more

than willing to use melatonin for " For Ever, " she no longer needs melatonin to

sleep, tho epsom salts (magnesium) are still a need for her, for sleep...a

second thought - we now avoid tryptophan foods, with good results (a more recent

" trial " - been a bit over six mos or so, I think). I do consider fluoride

toxicity connections the most important piece of this one thing.

elizabeth

> >

> > > Yes, you can give Melatonin. It comes in chewable (sublingual) or

> > > regular. Several dose levels, 1mg, 2.5 mg, 3mg, 5mg. If you are

> > > giving it to a child, they can have up to 5mgs. Adults can adjust

> > > their dose to appropriate levels. There is no wean off period as

> > > it works with the B-Complex vitamin system. There is no build up

> > > either. This info is from a combination of personal research and

> > > our developmental pediatrician's suggestion to USE melatonin, if

> > > you can believe it! But be aware, once it's in your system, you

> > > should be ready and prepared to go to bed once it takes effect. It

> > > should take effect within 30 minutes to an hour. There is no

> > > " hangover " the next day either.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

....requisite ps...we learned too much melatonin would cause something akin to

" wild & crazy " behavior...busy busy, impulsive, and prone to melt down-ish

behavior. Pretty much would start with a low dose, and if not sleeping within

about 1/2hr, would add more. In the beginning, the low dose was close to 1mg -

later on, it was 3mcg, which is where I still start at, when I think melatonin

is needed. Once or twice, now, in the past couple years

elizabeth

> >

> > > Yes, you can give Melatonin. It comes in chewable (sublingual) or

> > > regular. Several dose levels, 1mg, 2.5 mg, 3mg, 5mg. If you are

> > > giving it to a child, they can have up to 5mgs. Adults can adjust

> > > their dose to appropriate levels. There is no wean off period as

> > > it works with the B-Complex vitamin system. There is no build up

> > > either. This info is from a combination of personal research and

> > > our developmental pediatrician's suggestion to USE melatonin, if

> > > you can believe it! But be aware, once it's in your system, you

> > > should be ready and prepared to go to bed once it takes effect. It

> > > should take effect within 30 minutes to an hour. There is no

> > > " hangover " the next day either.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

No, I only give about a half a tsp when needed. DD is 3.5 and about 40 lbs. I

only give it if she cannot sleep or if she has gotten off schedule. As in we

had a bad night and were up alot so she slept really late and now can't go to

bed at a decent time. Then she wakes up early and is zonked at school. SO I

only use it once in a great while to keep her on a reasonable schedule. But it

did take nightly dosing for a week or two to get her to change her bed time to

an earlier hour and then i just stopped giving it to her and she didn't miss it.

But no grogginess or anything waking up. I did give her the melatonin before I

found out about the hormone issue. SHannon

> > > >

> > > > can i give melatonin as needed or is there a problem with not

> > being consistent with this? do you have to ween off of it, when you

> > longer want to take it? thanks

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Never heard that; not sure I believe it as a rule. There will always be those

who don't do well on melatonin, though.

Pam

> > >

> > > can i give melatonin as needed or is there a problem with not being

consistent with this? do you have to ween off of it, when you longer want to

take it? thanks

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have worried about giving melatonin regularly - just like I worry about giving

anything regularly.  However, my dd used to always take 3 hours or longer to

fall asleep every single night, no matter how tired she was, and we were all

getting exhausted.  So we've been giving melatonin every night for 3.5 years now

and we all feel much better.  My dd is now 8 1/2.  Her best friend, same age, is

developing breast buds.  Dd is not and dd is also skinnier - only 53 lbs. - and

while she has a decent appetite, it's not excessive and she is one of the

skinnier kids in her class.  Her body could stand to store a little bit of fat

as she has none.  I had heard once that melatonin might delay the onset of

puberty in girls, and while I don't want my daughter to hit puberty far later

than her friends, I also think it might be nicer if onset was on the later side

so that dd was more mature and could handle it better. I've also heard

repeatedly that melatonin

is one of the best antioxidants available and that most people should be taking

10 mg daily in order to improve their health.  At this point, I'm sticking with

the 1 mg or less that I continue to give my daughter every night.  Maybe in

another year, with more chelation under our belt, I'll give it a try to

eliminate it, but not yet.

Janelle

> > " Recent studies have shown an alarming connection in women taking

> > melatonin supplements: they had much higher serum levels of

> > cortisol than did women taking placebo. Melatonins effect was not

> > seen in the men. So when women take melatonin at night to help

> > improve sleep they are hit really hard: The melatonin itself makes

> > you hungrier, makes you more efficient at storing fat, and

> > stimulates cortisol production.. .......Do not take melatonin on a

> > nightly basis, as it may cause clinical depression, weight gain,

> > headaches, and elevated cortisol levels in women. " Dr.

> > Vliet, " Women, Weight, and Hormones " . This book is for older women

> > but, in my opinion, hormones are hormones so I don't give it to my

> > 3.5 year old dd anymore. SHannon

[Guest guest]

While this may be true for some people, this does not mesh with our experience.

If anything, my girl showed too many softer signs of early development...Tho I

would be more likely to tag eliminating soy/estrogenic foods as more helpful,

which I did during that same time period, I can say that while taking melatonin,

this worrisome type of growth slowed down alot back then & is no longer

apparent.

Cortisol - some people need more, or less. Stress & all that, so even if true,

this could be a boon, or not. Too many other factors to consider...While

interesting tidbit of info, I, myself, have not come across info that makes this

mesh, or applicable, to our situation.

elizabeth

===(snipped)

> " Recent studies have shown an alarming connection in women taking melatonin

supplements: they had much higher serum levels of cortisol than did women taking

placebo. Melatonins effect was not seen in the men. So when women take

melatonin at night to help improve sleep they are hit really hard: The melatonin

itself makes you hungrier, makes you more efficient at storing fat, and

stimulates cortisol production.........Do not take melatonin on a nightly basis,

as it may cause clinical depression, weight gain, headaches, and elevated

cortisol levels in women. " Dr. Vliet, " Women, Weight, and Hormones " .

This book is for older women but, in my opinion, hormones are hormones so I

don't give it to my 3.5 year old dd anymore. SHannon

>

[Guest guest]

Just noting my girl is a total moose, in physical build. Not so much

overweight, as just solid. Melatonin totally rocked for her. As I said in the

previous post, this info does not mesh for us. Tho I do not believe the

melatonin is involved (for her) in the decrease of those softer signs (baby

boobs on a 2yo come to mind), which means I can say that while trying other

things, that the melatonin did not cause/increase this type of worrisome grow'g.

elizabeth

>

> I have worried about giving melatonin regularly - just like I worry about

giving anything regularly.  However, my dd used to always take 3 hours or longer

to fall asleep every single night, no matter how tired she was, and we were all

getting exhausted.  So we've been giving melatonin every night for 3.5 years now

and we all feel much better.  My dd is now 8 1/2.  Her best friend, same age, is

developing breast buds.  Dd is not and dd is also skinnier - only 53 lbs. - and

while she has a decent appetite, it's not excessive and she is one of the

skinnier kids in her class.  Her body could stand to store a little bit of fat

as she has none.  I had heard once that melatonin might delay the onset of

puberty in girls, and while I don't want my daughter to hit puberty far later

than her friends, I also think it might be nicer if onset was on the later side

so that dd was more mature and could handle it better. I've also heard

repeatedly that melatonin

> is one of the best antioxidants available and that most people should be

taking 10 mg daily in order to improve their health.  At this point, I'm

sticking with the 1 mg or less that I continue to give my daughter every night. 

Maybe in another year, with more chelation under our belt, I'll give it a try to

eliminate it, but not yet.

>

> Janelle

>

>

>

> > > " Recent studies have shown an alarming connection in women taking

> > > melatonin supplements: they had much higher serum levels of

> > > cortisol than did women taking placebo. Melatonins effect was not

> > > seen in the men. So when women take melatonin at night to help

> > > improve sleep they are hit really hard: The melatonin itself makes

> > > you hungrier, makes you more efficient at storing fat, and

> > > stimulates cortisol production.. .......Do not take melatonin on a

> > > nightly basis, as it may cause clinical depression, weight gain,

> > > headaches, and elevated cortisol levels in women. " Dr.

> > > Vliet, " Women, Weight, and Hormones " . This book is for older women

> > > but, in my opinion, hormones are hormones so I don't give it to my

> > > 3.5 year old dd anymore. SHannon

>

[Guest guest]

Yes , I have and it was fine..

Corinne

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of diamond12345@...

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:56 PM

Subject: [ ] Melatonin

has anyone ever given a 10 year old more than 3mg. melatonin.?

[Guest guest]

that happened her too. 1mg. use to knock her out. now she needs 3mg.

it depends what other supplements i am giving at the time too. if she

is taking magnesium, then she needs less melatonin. if i stop the

mag. she needs more melatonin.

On Oct 26, 2009, at 9:50 PM, khieken wrote:

> I've given my 8- now 9yo daughter 5mg and she had no problems with

> it. Interesting though, it sometimes did not work to help her

> sleep, so I stopped it, but just recently started giving her 1.5 mg

> and it seems to be helping her get to sleep. I think there was a

> recent thread about this.

>

>

> >

> > has anyone ever given a 10 year old more than 3mg. melatonin.?

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've given my 8- now 9yo daughter 5mg and she had no problems with it.

Interesting though, it sometimes did not work to help her sleep, so I stopped

it, but just recently started giving her 1.5 mg and it seems to be helping her

get to sleep. I think there was a recent thread about this.

>

> has anyone ever given a 10 year old more than 3mg. melatonin.?

>

[Guest guest]

I have read that your suppose to take atleast a week off from melatonin a month!

> > >

> > > has anyone ever given a 10 year old more than 3mg. melatonin.?

> > >

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[Guest guest]

We didn't. My daughter took it for over a year, there was no other way she could

get to sleep before midnight. I have not read that you need a break from it. If

it works better with magnesium, give the magnesium, because insomnia is not

always related to a lack of melatonin.

Jan

> >

> > > I've given my 8- now 9yo daughter 5mg and she had no problems with

> > > it. Interesting though, it sometimes did not work to help her

> > > sleep, so I stopped it, but just recently started giving her 1.5 mg

> > > and it seems to be helping her get to sleep. I think there was a

> > > recent thread about this.

[Guest guest]

url for the first post of last thread about melatonin.

/message/266607

....just had to go up one by one to get to it, thinking it might be easier to use

onibasu.com to look at this thread.

elizabeth

> >

> > has anyone ever given a 10 year old more than 3mg. melatonin.?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I have taken melatonin nightly for years. It does help with the sleep quite a

bit. I started out w 1mg. Am now taking 3 mg time released Melatonin from Life

Extension. I have read that melatonin is good for you in many other ways as

well.

Good luck,

Rob

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Melatonin

Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm having a hell of time with my

sleep. Can melatonin be used long term?

[Guest guest]

>

> Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm having a hell of time with

my sleep. Can melatonin be used long term?

>

I have various sleep disorders and have tried many drugs. Melatonin did nothing

for me except give me a headache in high dose. I tried 1 mg to 18 mg. I did

find two drugs that put me to sleep with no adverse side effects. They are

Luneata and oxycodone, both prescription drugs.

[Guest guest]

Jim, how are your adrenals? High cortisol at night can be a bummer for sleep..El

>

> Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm having a hell of time with

my sleep. Can melatonin be used long term?

>

[Guest guest]

My adrenals haven't been tested of late. The last time the PM levels we at the

bottom of the normal range. I started working out in the PM the last 2 weeks at

low volume. I can't see this as a problem.

I was to see Dr. O and HAN and they think I overshot my T and E2 levels since

starting on hcg. It was cut back. I'm having the usual ED, low libido, etc. that

goes with E2. I'm going for bloodtests tomorrow. I think my E2 is high. It was

low before hcg. I had a lot of joint aches and tendonitis. I don't have that

presently. Last night I was hot as hell.

> >

> > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm having a hell of time

with my sleep. Can melatonin be used long term?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rob,

I'll give it a try.

>

> Jim,

> I have taken melatonin nightly for years. It does help with the sleep quite

a bit. I started out w 1mg. Am now taking 3 mg time released Melatonin from Life

Extension. I have read that melatonin is good for you in many other ways as

well.

> Good luck,

>

> Rob

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Melatonin

>

> Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm having a hell of time with

my sleep. Can melatonin be used long term?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use it 3 mgs at bedtime dose it work after a time it did.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Melatonin

>

> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 9:46 AM

> Anyone using melatonin that is seeing

> results. I'm having a hell of time with my sleep. Can

> melatonin be used long term?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I still take Xanax .125 mgs a very low dose when I go to bed for Panic problems.

I don't feel I need it now but my Dr. says this low dose is not hurting

anything. I feel I sleep better on it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: rayr_us <ray89012@...>

> Subject: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 11:03 AM

>

>

>

> >

> > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm

> having a hell of time with my sleep. Can melatonin be used

> long term?

> >

>

> I have various sleep disorders and have tried many

> drugs.  Melatonin did nothing for me except give me a

> headache in high dose.  I tried 1 mg to 18 mg.  I

> did find two drugs that put me to sleep with no adverse side

> effects.  They are Luneata and oxycodone, both

> prescription drugs.

>

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