Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'm not sure which brand of ZMA I tried, but it was supposed to contain L-Theanine (from green tea) to further aid in destressing. Didn't do a darned thing for sleep. But that was 7-8 years ago, and the dosage recommendations may have changed. I wonder if ZMA alone works better to promote sleep than when combined with L-theanine. That, or a different brand may work better. Hope you find something that works, Jim. ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone using melatonin that > > is seeing results. I'm > > > > > > > having a hell of time with my > > sleep. Can melatonin be used > > > > > > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have various sleep disorders and > > have tried many > > > > > > > drugs. Melatonin did nothing for > > me except give me a > > > > > > > headache in high dose. I tried 1 > > mg to 18 mg. I > > > > > > > did find two drugs that put me to > > sleep with no adverse side > > > > > > > effects. They are Luneata and > > oxycodone, both > > > > > > > prescription drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I started on it because Hardasnails and my self were doing Zinc with Copper 50 mgs of Zinc and it had 2 mgs. of Copper as per Dr. Shippen's book. Testing the Copper levels we both were low Hardasnails look into this and found you can't take Zinc and Copper at the same time the Zinc lowers the Copper. ZMA has about 30 mgs of Zinc in it and other supplements that rid you of feeling restless at night. I stared on this and took it at bedtime. I got some Copper 2 mgs and take this at noon works great and I don't feel I need to move my arms and legs when I go to bed. I also take TMG 700 mgs and L-Arginine & L-Ornithine with 3 mgs of Melatonin. I don't feel ZMA helps you sleep but it helps with feeling restless. Co-Moderator Phil > From: d00fu524 <calvin1564@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 10:40 PM > I'm not sure which brand of ZMA I > tried, but it was supposed to contain L-Theanine (from green > tea) to further aid in destressing. Didn't do a darned > thing for sleep. But that was 7-8 years ago, and the > dosage recommendations may have changed. I wonder if > ZMA alone works better to promote sleep than when combined > with L-theanine. > That, or a different brand may work better. > > Hope you find something that works, Jim. > > ~Xian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone using > melatonin that > > > is seeing results. I'm > > > > > > > > having a hell of time > with my > > > sleep. Can melatonin be used > > > > > > > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have various sleep > disorders and > > > have tried many > > > > > > > > drugs. Melatonin did > nothing for > > > me except give me a > > > > > > > > headache in high dose. > I tried 1 > > > mg to 18 mg. I > > > > > > > > did find two drugs that > put me to > > > sleep with no adverse side > > > > > > > > effects. They are > Luneata and > > > oxycodone, both > > > > > > > > prescription drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 It can be that the compounded cream is not getting through your skin did you stop the HCG your were taking to bring up your E2 levels. If you did this is why your levels feel or even if you cut back on HCG. It's very hard to control E2 levels by going up or down on ones HCG or even Testosterone. As you lower your dose your E2 comes down and so dose your testosterone. I find it's a small price to pay to have higher levels of Testosterone and have to take DIM or Arimidex to keep E2 levels down. I have a problem with Creams and Gels getting though my skin I don't get good levels on them. I switched to shots and found my E2 levels were less a problem on shots and I was doing 150 mgs a week still my levels were only 600 to low. It's when I added HCG that my levels came up and with it my E2 levels went up. So I do better doing my shots of T every 3 days because I eat it up as fast as I shoot it. And I do my HCG the 2 days each in between my T shots. Doing this keeps me levels and holds down my E2 levels. If I could keep my levels up on Creams or Gels I would do them but I have a Thyroid problem and some people with this problem get a thicker skin and Creams and gels don't work. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 8:17 AM > Well my blood tests came back. My E2 > is low again at 4. It was at 22 about a month ago. I was > staring to feel better. I have a real problem with my E2 > being low for some F'ing reason. My T is lower from a month > ago at 537, it was 860. The rt3 is high at 410. > > Would switching to injecting T from compounded T help > improve my E2? My results with compounded flat out blow! > Right now I feel like fucking smashing something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone using > melatonin that > > > is seeing results. I'm > > > > > > > > having a hell of time > with my > > > sleep. Can melatonin be used > > > > > > > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have various sleep > disorders and > > > have tried many > > > > > > > > drugs. Melatonin did > nothing for > > > me except give me a > > > > > > > > headache in high dose. > I tried 1 > > > mg to 18 mg. I > > > > > > > > did find two drugs that > put me to > > > sleep with no adverse side > > > > > > > > effects. They are > Luneata and > > > oxycodone, both > > > > > > > > prescription drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Jim don't feel like this you need to talk post it your not on a tantrum your just having a problem and it needs to be talked about. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 8:26 AM > Sorry for the tantrum. I'm out of my > head. I'm not sleeping and my head is scambled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone using > melatonin that > > > > is seeing results. I'm > > > > > > > > > having a hell of > time with my > > > > sleep. Can melatonin be used > > > > > > > > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have various > sleep disorders and > > > > have tried many > > > > > > > > > drugs. Melatonin > did nothing for > > > > me except give me a > > > > > > > > > headache in high > dose. I tried 1 > > > > mg to 18 mg. I > > > > > > > > > did find two drugs > that put me to > > > > sleep with no adverse side > > > > > > > > > effects. They are > Luneata and > > > > oxycodone, both > > > > > > > > > prescription > drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of > this message have > > > > been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 HAN had me cut back the hcg because we thought my E2 was too high by my symptoms, although I didn't have any nipple problems. I quess my levels should have been checked before the reduction of hcg, to see exactly where my E2 was. This was a mistake, I probably was low at that time for some reason. I'm not a fan of the god damn compounded. I'm getting steamed and I have to settle down. I'm sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone using > > melatonin that > > > > is seeing results. I'm > > > > > > > > > having a hell of time > > with my > > > > sleep. Can melatonin be used > > > > > > > > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have various sleep > > disorders and > > > > have tried many > > > > > > > > > drugs. Melatonin did > > nothing for > > > > me except give me a > > > > > > > > > headache in high dose. > > I tried 1 > > > > mg to 18 mg. I > > > > > > > > > did find two drugs that > > put me to > > > > sleep with no adverse side > > > > > > > > > effects. They are > > Luneata and > > > > oxycodone, both > > > > > > > > > prescription drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Well I don't blame you your payine them to treat you and if your not doing good call them. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 11:21 AM > HAN had me cut back the hcg because > we thought my E2 was too high by my symptoms, although I > didn't have any nipple problems. I quess my levels should > have been checked before the reduction of hcg, to see > exactly where my E2 was. This was a mistake, I probably was > low at that time for some reason. > > I'm not a fan of the god damn compounded. I'm getting > steamed and I have to settle down. I'm sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone > using > > > melatonin that > > > > > is seeing results. I'm > > > > > > > > > > having a hell > of time > > > with my > > > > > sleep. Can melatonin be used > > > > > > > > > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have various > sleep > > > disorders and > > > > > have tried many > > > > > > > > > > drugs. > Melatonin did > > > nothing for > > > > > me except give me a > > > > > > > > > > headache in > high dose. > > > I tried 1 > > > > > mg to 18 mg. I > > > > > > > > > > did find two > drugs that > > > put me to > > > > > sleep with no adverse side > > > > > > > > > > effects. > They are > > > Luneata and > > > > > oxycodone, both > > > > > > > > > > prescription > drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions > of this > > > message have > > > > > been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're human and make a mistake or two from time to time. It's my damn shitty system. I'm just in a foul mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone > > using > > > > melatonin that > > > > > > is seeing results. I'm > > > > > > > > > > > having a hell > > of time > > > > with my > > > > > > sleep. Can melatonin be used > > > > > > > > > > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have various > > sleep > > > > disorders and > > > > > > have tried many > > > > > > > > > > > drugs. > > Melatonin did > > > > nothing for > > > > > > me except give me a > > > > > > > > > > > headache in > > high dose. > > > > I tried 1 > > > > > > mg to 18 mg. I > > > > > > > > > > > did find two > > drugs that > > > > put me to > > > > > > sleep with no adverse side > > > > > > > > > > > effects. > > They are > > > > Luneata and > > > > > > oxycodone, both > > > > > > > > > > > prescription > > drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions > > of this > > > > message have > > > > > > been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 That's OK we all feel this way from time time just tell your self you deserve to feel like this and try to get passed it. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 12:23 PM > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're > human and make a mistake or two from time to time. It's my > damn shitty system. I'm just in a foul mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone > > > using > > > > > melatonin that > > > > > > > is seeing results. I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > having a hell > > > of time > > > > > with my > > > > > > > sleep. Can melatonin be used > > > > > > > > > > > > long > term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > have various > > > sleep > > > > > disorders and > > > > > > > have tried many > > > > > > > > > > > > > drugs. > > > Melatonin did > > > > > nothing for > > > > > > > me except give me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > headache in > > > high dose. > > > > > I tried 1 > > > > > > > mg to 18 mg. I > > > > > > > > > > > > did > find two > > > drugs that > > > > > put me to > > > > > > > sleep with no adverse side > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects. > > > They are > > > > > Luneata and > > > > > > > oxycodone, both > > > > > > > > > > > > > prescription > > > drugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text > portions > > > of this > > > > > message have > > > > > > > been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Jim, I remember you posting your thyroid tests a while back and your Free T3 was low--I don't recall if you are being treated for this; thyroid problems can mess with *everything*..if I am recalling correctly, there may have been a need for adrenal correction as well??...El > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're human and make a mistake or two from time to time. It's my damn shitty system. I'm just in a foul mood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 El, No my freeT3 was 3.3 (2.0-4.4). My rt3 was 395 (90-350). My rt3 now is 410, don't know yet the other thyroid labs. I'm going to do the adrenal saliva again. Right now I'm not being treated for any thyroid or adrenal issues. My adrenals were low except in the morning. It was suggested by HAN that the reason I'm not sleeping is because of the rt3. > > Jim, I remember you posting your thyroid tests a while back and your Free T3 was low--I don't recall if you are being treated for this; thyroid problems can mess with *everything*..if I am recalling correctly, there may have been a need for adrenal correction as well??...El > > > > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're human and make a mistake or two from time to time. It's my damn shitty system. I'm just in a foul mood > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Looks like your reverse T3 pretty high Jim..what are they doing for that? That alone can make you miserable---T3 only therapy is used for this situation..also, if you are low cortisol most of the day you can have high cortisol at night which will make it difficult to sleep...El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 This could be. I've started lifting weights after work around 6:30. Low volume and weight. It could be that I just can't lift at that time anymore. My cortisol could spike. I try to get a lot of simple carbs after w.o. to spike the insulin to control the cortisol. > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty high Jim..what are they doing for that? That alone can make you miserable---T3 only therapy is used for this situation..also, if you are low cortisol most of the day you can have high cortisol at night which will make it difficult to sleep...El > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Anyone using tylenol PM to help them sleep? I'm not big on the acetaminophen, its the diphenhydramine that helps with sleep. > > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm having a hell of time with my sleep. Can melatonin be used long term? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Jim Hard called me last night and he said his Estradiol levels came back at 4 same very low level as yours I feel there is something wrong with there test. And Hard does not feel like he is low. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 9:06 PM > El, No my freeT3 was 3.3 (2.0-4.4). > My rt3 was 395 (90-350). My rt3 now is 410, don't know > yet the other thyroid labs. I'm going to do the adrenal > saliva again. Right now I'm not being treated for any > thyroid or adrenal issues. My adrenals were low except in > the morning. > > It was suggested by HAN that the reason I'm not sleeping is > because of the rt3. > > > > > > > > Jim, I remember you posting your thyroid tests a while > back and your Free T3 was low--I don't recall if you are > being treated for this; thyroid problems can mess with > *everything*..if I am recalling correctly, there may have > been a need for adrenal correction as well??...El > > > > > > > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're human and > make a mistake or two from time to time. It's my damn shitty > system. I'm just in a foul mood > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I got an email from HAN also. I have no nipple issues, never did. This leads me to believe my E2 was low, not high. > > > > > > Jim, I remember you posting your thyroid tests a while > > back and your Free T3 was low--I don't recall if you are > > being treated for this; thyroid problems can mess with > > *everything*..if I am recalling correctly, there may have > > been a need for adrenal correction as well??...El > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're human and > > make a mistake or two from time to time. It's my damn shitty > > system. I'm just in a foul mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I am on Cortisol meds cortef and if I work out after 4pm I am all reved up and can't sleep. When I get up I don't feel like working out but by 11am I push my self out the door and go to the gym. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 8:45 AM > This could be. I've started lifting > weights after work around 6:30. Low volume and weight. It > could be that I just can't lift at that time anymore. My > cortisol could spike. I try to get a lot of simple carbs > after w.o. to spike the insulin to control the cortisol. > > > > > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty high Jim..what are > they doing for that? That alone can make you miserable---T3 > only therapy is used for this situation..also, if you are > low cortisol most of the day you can have high cortisol at > night which will make it difficult to sleep...El > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 My wife can't sleep long story she has tried every thing out there and the only thing that helps her is a low dose of Xanax .125mgs she falls to sleep but in 2 hrs wakes and can't fall back to sleep this is when she will take the Xanax and she does not do this every night. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 8:57 AM > Anyone using tylenol PM to help them > sleep? I'm not big on the acetaminophen, its the > diphenhydramine that helps with sleep. > > > > > > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm > having a hell of time with my sleep. Can melatonin be used > long term? > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Not all men get hard and sore nipples when levels are up but most feel agitated or have anxiety. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 9:25 AM > I got an email from HAN also. I have > no nipple issues, never did. This leads me to believe my E2 > was low, not high. > > > > > > > > > > Jim, I remember you posting your thyroid > tests a while > > > back and your Free T3 was low--I don't recall if > you are > > > being treated for this; thyroid problems can mess > with > > > *everything*..if I am recalling correctly, there > may have > > > been a need for adrenal correction as > well??...El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're > human and > > > make a mistake or two from time to time. It's my > damn shitty > > > system. I'm just in a foul mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I'm am one agitated SOB these days. My wife will confirm this. I don't have any anxiety though. > > > > > > > > > > Jim, I remember you posting your thyroid > > tests a while > > > > back and your Free T3 was low--I don't recall if > > you are > > > > being treated for this; thyroid problems can mess > > with > > > > *everything*..if I am recalling correctly, there > > may have > > > > been a need for adrenal correction as > > well??...El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're > > human and > > > > make a mistake or two from time to time. It's my > > damn shitty > > > > system. I'm just in a foul mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 sounds like my sleep pattern. maybe her rt3 is elevated, with a norepinephrine problem like mine. > > > > > > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm > > having a hell of time with my sleep. Can melatonin be used > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I may have to try working out in the morning. This is the only other time I have. I used to love it in the morning when I was young. > > > > > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty high Jim..what are > > they doing for that? That alone can make you miserable---T3 > > only therapy is used for this situation..also, if you are > > low cortisol most of the day you can have high cortisol at > > night which will make it difficult to sleep...El > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 This can be from the fall in your T levels should get better fast. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 9:54 AM > I'm am one agitated SOB these days. > My wife will confirm this. I don't have any anxiety though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, I remember you posting your > thyroid > > > tests a while > > > > > back and your Free T3 was low--I don't > recall if > > > you are > > > > > being treated for this; thyroid > problems can mess > > > with > > > > > *everything*..if I am recalling > correctly, there > > > may have > > > > > been a need for adrenal correction as > > > well??...El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. > They're > > > human and > > > > > make a mistake or two from time to > time. It's my > > > damn shitty > > > > > system. I'm just in a foul mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Nope she has Hashimoto's thyroiditis and her Dr. just checked all of this and the thing about RT3 is a process of ones body ridding it's self of high levels of T4 so it is a natural process but when it goes to high it can be a problem. But a lot of people have high RT3 and don't have a problem from it. Mine is high due to Heart Bypass sugary a yr. ago and little by little it's coming down. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 9:56 AM > sounds like my sleep pattern. maybe > her rt3 is elevated, with a norepinephrine problem like > mine. > > > > > > > > > > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing > results. I'm > > > having a hell of time with my sleep. Can > melatonin be used > > > long term? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 My Heart Dr. told me to workout in the morning it's the best time. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: Melatonin > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 9:58 AM > I may have to try working out in the > morning. This is the only other time I have. I used to love > it in the morning when I was young. > > > > > > > > > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty high > Jim..what are > > > they doing for that? That alone can make you > miserable---T3 > > > only therapy is used for this situation..also, if > you are > > > low cortisol most of the day you can have high > cortisol at > > > night which will make it difficult to sleep...El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I'm just so freaking tired in the morning to workout. I don't want to return to consuming caffiene to wake myself up. That's a vicious cycle. I'm gonna redue the adrenal saliva test soon. I'm gonna do it on a day that I workout at night to see if my cortisol does spike in the evening. I don't have just problems sleeping on the nights I workout. It's every night I don't sleep. If I can get the rt3 down this could help. I'm slowly learning how all these things interrelate. Both fascinating and frustrating at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty high > > Jim..what are > > > > they doing for that? That alone can make you > > miserable---T3 > > > > only therapy is used for this situation..also, if > > you are > > > > low cortisol most of the day you can have high > > cortisol at > > > > night which will make it difficult to sleep...El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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