Melatonin

[Guest guest]

Your Secondary like me it's called Hypopituitary mine is from a head injury I

need to supplement all my Hormones and it takes time to get leveled. I do

Testosterone, HCG, Arimidex, Cortef for low Adrenals, Thyroid, my Aldosteone an

Renin levels are low and just started on Growth Hormone. Now when you get one

leveled and find a new one low fixing the new one can change the old on my

Thyroid meds had to be lowed when I went on Growth Hormone. So it takes time

bottom line is as you go through this you get better and better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 10:37 AM

> I'm just so freaking tired in the

> morning to workout. I don't want to return to consuming

> caffiene to wake myself up. That's a vicious cycle. I'm

> gonna redue the adrenal saliva test soon. I'm gonna do it on

> a day that I workout at night to see if my cortisol does

> spike in the evening.

>

> I don't have just problems sleeping on the nights I

> workout. It's every night I don't sleep. If I can get the

> rt3 down this could help. I'm slowly learning how all these

> things interrelate. Both fascinating and frustrating at the

> same time.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty

> high

> > > Jim..what are

> > > > > they doing for that? That alone can

> make you

> > > miserable---T3

> > > > > only therapy is used for this

> situation..also, if

> > > you are

> > > > > low cortisol most of the day you can

> have high

> > > cortisol at

> > > > > night which will make it difficult to

> sleep...El

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

It's yet to be determined whether I'm primary or secondary, at least there has

been no talk of this by HAN or Dr.O

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty

> > high

> > > > Jim..what are

> > > > > > they doing for that? That alone can

> > make you

> > > > miserable---T3

> > > > > > only therapy is used for this

> > situation..also, if

> > > > you are

> > > > > > low cortisol most of the day you can

> > have high

> > > > cortisol at

> > > > > > night which will make it difficult to

> > sleep...El

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Just take Benadryl at night. My mother has been doing this for years and it

does help - and it is non-addicting. The only thing that you have to be

careful about is that Benadryl and Tylenol PM and similar drugs are

anticholinergic drugs. Recent studies have shown that long term usage can

cause memory problems, confusion, etc. in some people.

Check out the list of side effects on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticholinergic

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jim

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: Melatonin

Anyone using tylenol PM to help them sleep? I'm not big on the

acetaminophen, its the diphenhydramine that helps with sleep.

>

> Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm having a hell of time

with my sleep. Can melatonin be used long term?

>

[Guest guest]

Ok it sure looks to me like your Secondary.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 11:46 AM

> It's yet to be determined whether I'm

> primary or secondary, at least there has been no talk of

> this by HAN or Dr.O

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Looks like your reverse

> T3 pretty

> > > high

> > > > > Jim..what are

> > > > > > > they doing for that? That

> alone can

> > > make you

> > > > > miserable---T3

> > > > > > > only therapy is used for

> this

> > > situation..also, if

> > > > > you are

> > > > > > > low cortisol most of the day

> you can

> > > have high

> > > > > cortisol at

> > > > > > > night which will make it

> difficult to

> > > sleep...El

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

just got my blood tests. here's why I can't sleep. Norepinephrine is at 771

(range 0-399)and catecholamine is 826 (range 0-642). The panic is now setting

in. I way worse than when I started this bullshit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Looks like your reverse

> > T3 pretty

> > > > high

> > > > > > Jim..what are

> > > > > > > > they doing for that? That

> > alone can

> > > > make you

> > > > > > miserable---T3

> > > > > > > > only therapy is used for

> > this

> > > > situation..also, if

> > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > low cortisol most of the day

> > you can

> > > > have high

> > > > > > cortisol at

> > > > > > > > night which will make it

> > difficult to

> > > > sleep...El

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

ok, sounds like you have something going on in adrenals, I'd look to rule out an

adrenal tumor (pheochromocytoma); what have the docs said?

eez, I know how you feel taking more steps back than forward..I'd be interested

to hear the working theory on how they are addressing this..El

>

> just got my blood tests. here's why I can't sleep. Norepinephrine is at 771

(range 0-399)and catecholamine is 826 (range 0-642). The

[Guest guest]

yeah that's the million dollar question.

>

> ok, sounds like you have something going on in adrenals, I'd look to rule out

an adrenal tumor (pheochromocytoma); what have the docs said?

>

> eez, I know how you feel taking more steps back than forward..I'd be

interested to hear the working theory on how they are addressing this..El

>

>

> >

> > just got my blood tests. here's why I can't sleep. Norepinephrine is at 771

(range 0-399)and catecholamine is 826 (range 0-642). The

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry I don't know much about them to tests but it is a hormone problem from

your Adrenals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catecholamine

I have probly had this for the last 27 yrs how did Dr. O test this. I don't

think I have this problem anymore I am on meds for my Adreanls.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:07 PM

> just got my blood tests. here's why I

> can't sleep. Norepinephrine is at 771 (range 0-399)and

> catecholamine is 826 (range 0-642). The panic is now setting

> in. I way worse than when I started this bullshit.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Looks like

> your reverse

> > > T3 pretty

> > > > > high

> > > > > > > Jim..what are

> > > > > > > > > they doing for

> that? That

> > > alone can

> > > > > make you

> > > > > > > miserable---T3

> > > > > > > > > only therapy is

> used for

> > > this

> > > > > situation..also, if

> > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > low cortisol most

> of the day

> > > you can

> > > > > have high

> > > > > > > cortisol at

> > > > > > > > > night which will

> make it

> > > difficult to

> > > > > sleep...El

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> Links

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> > > > > > > > >     -fullfeatured

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[Guest guest]

Jim,

Here are your options

1. continue on TRT and know you are getting proper levels.

2. we pull you off for 10 days do a clomid challege to see if you will respond.

Then you go straight to HCG which we know you respond to very well but burn

through it. BTW we had no clue that you were going to crash after 3 weeks and

most dr's would not have a freaken clue why ,but again I have been thtough it

personally my self so I can validate it first hand experience.

Solution replace hcg every 2 weeks with fresh batch from ADC or cut the hcg pill

in quarters and make your own batch..If your insurance covers every 2 weeks if

we put on script discard after 15 days then that be fine.

The choice is up to you..

as T levels dropped rt3 went up

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty

> > > high

> > > > > Jim..what are

> > > > > > > they doing for that? That alone can

> > > make you

> > > > > miserable---T3

> > > > > > > only therapy is used for this

> > > situation..also, if

> > > > > you are

> > > > > > > low cortisol most of the day you can

> > > have high

> > > > > cortisol at

> > > > > > > night which will make it difficult to

> > > sleep...El

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

fixing your sex hormones should regulate other systems, as well as adding

alittle t-3 5 mgs BID may all that may be needed as it has worked in many other

cases with people with similar cases.

> >

> > Jim, I remember you posting your thyroid tests a while back and your Free T3

was low--I don't recall if you are being treated for this; thyroid problems can

mess with *everything*..if I am recalling correctly, there may have been a need

for adrenal correction as well??...El

> >

> > >

> > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're human and make a mistake or two from

time to time. It's my damn shitty system. I'm just in a foul mood

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know what the clomid challenge is. I have to read about this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Looks like your reverse T3 pretty

> > > > high

> > > > > > Jim..what are

> > > > > > > > they doing for that? That alone can

> > > > make you

> > > > > > miserable---T3

> > > > > > > > only therapy is used for this

> > > > situation..also, if

> > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > low cortisol most of the day you can

> > > > have high

> > > > > > cortisol at

> > > > > > > > night which will make it difficult to

> > > > sleep...El

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

That's 5mcgs, not mgs.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of hardasnails1973

Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: Melatonin

fixing your sex hormones should regulate other systems, as well as adding

alittle t-3 5 mgs BID may all that may be needed as it has worked in many

other cases with people with similar cases.

> >

> > Jim, I remember you posting your thyroid tests a while back and your

Free T3 was low--I don't recall if you are being treated for this; thyroid

problems can mess with *everything*..if I am recalling correctly, there may

have been a need for adrenal correction as well??...El

> >

> > >

> > > I'm not mad at HAN or Dr.O. They're human and make a mistake or two

from time to time. It's my damn shitty system. I'm just in a foul mood

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Phil don't know if your wife is on bhrt but not being able to sleep screams

homornal problems for woman...especially as they approach and after they reach

menopause....bhrt has all the same benefites for women that TRT has for

men...frankly without it I don't see how a woman could keep up with the

renewed...vigor so to speak....lol.

Melatonin is tricky for sleep it owrks very well is you are actually low in it

and it has many other great benfits...but you must take it right before your

head hits the pillow....you can not take it and continue to watch TV or

read...something about the litght entering your eyes negates the effect...

Judy

> > >

> > > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing results. I'm

> > having a hell of time with my sleep. Can melatonin be used

> > long term?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Judy she has tried everything doing Melatonin just before going to bed

did nothing. She seen her female Dr. and went on hormones not BHRT and it made

her sleeping worse.

She has Hashimoto's and after doing Synthroid for yrs went on Armour she felt

great on it. When this happened was after her knee replacement sugary they put

her under for this and after that the sleep problems.

I keep telling her to try BHRT and she now tells me mind my own business.

Before her knee sugary all she did was sleep. She could not even go to the show

with me she would fall to sleep. She would read a book and fall to sleep it's

like she went from one extreme to the other.

I have been on TRT for yrs and can't talk about it in front of her she thinks

it's all a lot of bull. So what can one do.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 4:38 PM

>

> Phil don't know if your wife is on bhrt but not being able

> to sleep screams homornal problems for woman...especially as

> they approach and after they reach menopause....bhrt has all

> the same benefites for women that TRT has for men...frankly

> without it I don't see how a woman could keep up with the

> renewed...vigor so to speak....lol.

>

> Melatonin is tricky for  sleep it owrks very well is

> you are actually low in it and it has many other great

> benfits...but you must take it right before your head hits

> the pillow....you can not take it and continue to watch TV

> or read...something about the litght entering your eyes

> negates the effect...

>

> Judy

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing

> results. I'm

> > > having a hell of time with my sleep. Can

> melatonin be used

> > > long term?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Interestingly, I was just listening to Dr. Radio on Sirius. They had a

sleep Dr on that said trouble falling asleep or staying asleep can be a

symptom of sleep apnea in women.

[Guest guest]

My wife had it but could not stand the machine she just could not use it. She

lost 40 lgs and the problem was gone.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Wharff <robertwharff@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 5:27 PM

> Interestingly, I was just listening

> to Dr. Radio on Sirius.  They had a

> sleep Dr on that said trouble falling asleep or staying

> asleep can be a

> symptom of sleep apnea in women.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil you wife may benefit greatly from progesterone..it is my sleep lifeline:)

--many women are estrogen dominant and can benefit from the balancing effects of

P (at bedtime)..I take it and w/in 15 I'm zonked--El

> I keep telling her to try BHRT and she now tells me mind my own business.

Before her knee sugary all she did was sleep. She could not even go to the show

with me she would fall to sleep. She would read a book and fall to sleep it's

like she went from one extreme to the other.

>

> I have been on TRT for yrs and can't talk about it in front of her she thinks

it's all a lot of bull. So what can one do.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Thanks been down that road with her can't tell her anything last time I told her

about it she said " I am not taking that crap " I don't know where she gets this

from I know she hates seeing Dr.'s.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:12 PM

> Phil you wife may benefit greatly

> from progesterone..it is my sleep lifeline:) --many women

> are estrogen dominant and can benefit from the balancing

> effects of P (at bedtime)..I take it and w/in 15 I'm

> zonked--El

>

>

> > I keep telling her to try BHRT and she now tells me

> mind my own business.  Before her knee sugary all she

> did was sleep.  She could not even go to the show with

> me she would fall to sleep.  She would read a book and

> fall to sleep it's like she went from one extreme to the

> other.

> >

> > I have been on TRT for yrs and can't talk about it in

> front of her she thinks it's all a lot of bull.  So

> what can one do.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

As I said before I am hypopit too....and believe it or not I just got had my

hormones tested....two things got me to do this...one I had read that low

testosterone in a woman can lead to Anemia which I found interesting...and

because I was going to get all my hormones tested I read Suzannes Sommers book

on menopause (The Sexy Years). I wasn't expecting to find so much information

nor the answer to so many of my recent problems. Wow was all I can say and I

immediately went and found a doctor...In her book she makes the same arguement

for bhrt that we see here for trt....Maintaining our HEALTH!

Also after reading many of the bad effects low hormones have on our bodies

physically that can make sex difficult I ran to the doctor....gotta keep up with

my husband new libido...lol

I am not going to my regular doctor to get treatment she provides the Armour and

HC (also type1) another doctor provides my growth hormone but he doesn't believe

in Armour....and I don't trust my endo to really understand bhrt which I

uderstand can be difficult for women, so I am actually going to an anti-aging

doc for that...whew! they run us ragged...

Judy

Judy

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyone using melatonin that is seeing

> > results. I'm

> > > > having a hell of time with my sleep. Can

> > melatonin be used

> > > > long term?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Sorry to see you have to do this seeing so many Dr.'s to treat just on problem

that causes many. I guess I am lucky in one why my Dr. takes care of it all.

Still it took me 23 of the 27 I have been sick to figure all this out.

I just got back from my Dr.'s doing labs can't wait to see how they are doing

now that I am on HGH.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 12:53 PM

> Hi Phil,

>

> As I said before I am hypopit too....and believe it or not

> I just got had my hormones tested....two things got me to do

> this...one I had read that low testosterone in a woman can

> lead to Anemia which I found interesting...and because I was

> going to get all my hormones tested I read Suzannes Sommers

> book on menopause (The Sexy Years). I wasn't expecting to

> find so much information nor the answer to so many of my

> recent problems. Wow was all I can say and I immediately

> went and found a doctor...In her book she makes the same

> arguement for bhrt that we see here for trt....Maintaining

> our HEALTH!

>

> Also after reading many of the bad effects low hormones

> have on our bodies physically that can make sex difficult I

> ran to the doctor....gotta keep up with my husband new

> libido...lol

>

> I am not going to my regular doctor to get treatment she

> provides the Armour and HC (also type1) another doctor

> provides my growth hormone but he doesn't believe in

> Armour....and I don't trust my endo to really understand

> bhrt which I uderstand can be difficult for women, so I am

> actually going to an anti-aging doc for that...whew! they

> run us ragged...

>

> Judy

>

> Judy

>

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyone using melatonin that is

> seeing

> > > results. I'm

> > > > > having a hell of time with my sleep.

> Can

> > > melatonin be used

> > > > > long term?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

mbmom123 you should carefully read the Estrogen101 group moderated by Dee Troll.

You will find that progestin or progesterone greatly increase your chances of

breast cancer.

Here's a sample:

http://www.cancerpage.com/news/article.asp?id=8234

'Progestogen In HRT May Be Linked with Increased Breast Cancer Risk'

That's another one from '05, on breast cancer & progestins.

>

> Phil you wife may benefit greatly from progesterone..it is my sleep lifeline:)

--many women are estrogen dominant and can benefit from the balancing effects of

P (at bedtime)..I take it and w/in 15 I'm zonked--El

>

>

> > I keep telling her to try BHRT and she now tells me mind my own business.

Before her knee sugary all she did was sleep. She could not even go to the show

with me she would fall to sleep. She would read a book and fall to sleep it's

like she went from one extreme to the other.

> >

> > I have been on TRT for yrs and can't talk about it in front of her she

thinks it's all a lot of bull. So what can one do.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

[Guest guest]

This is why my wife wants nothing to do with any kind of Hormones.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mqsymth <alphadennis@...>

> Subject: Re: Melatonin

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 1:18 PM

>

> mbmom123 you should carefully read the Estrogen101 group

> moderated by Dee Troll.  You will find that progestin

> or progesterone greatly increase your chances of breast

> cancer.

>

> Here's a sample:

>

> http://www.cancerpage.com/news/article.asp?id=8234

> 'Progestogen In HRT May Be Linked with Increased Breast

> Cancer Risk'

> That's another one from '05, on breast cancer &

> progestins.

>

>

>

> >

> > Phil you wife may benefit greatly from

> progesterone..it is my sleep lifeline:) --many women are

> estrogen dominant and can benefit from the balancing effects

> of P (at bedtime)..I take it and w/in 15 I'm zonked--El

> >

> >

> > > I keep telling her to try BHRT and she now tells

> me mind my own business.  Before her knee sugary all

> she did was sleep.  She could not even go to the show

> with me she would fall to sleep.  She would read a book

> and fall to sleep it's like she went from one extreme to the

> other.

> > >

> > > I have been on TRT for yrs and can't talk about

> it in front of her she thinks it's all a lot of bull. 

> So what can one do.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a 17 year old and the doc said up to 6 mg. He only weighs 108 lbs though.

Timed release sounds like a good idea.

From: hndnfd <dhdudley@...>

Subject: [ ] Melatonin

Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 8:18 AM

 

I read to try melatonin for a person not sleeping... up to 10mg. We have

a 13 year old girl about 105 lbs. Would timed released melatonin be appropriate

for her? 10mgs? For how long would this be safe?

Thank you for the advise.

Connie

[Guest guest]

I have 3 mg and 1 mg. My son is 10, 125 lbs, both do the trick for him. I

would go with the lower dose. See what works. I don't give it to my son every

night. Not on weekends, except maybe Sunday unless he had a really busy day.

During the week now I can tell if he's good and tired and I'll even ask him if

he needs it. He'll ask at times but he seems to know what he needs a little

too.

Tammy

[ ] Melatonin

I read to try melatonin for a person not sleeping... up to 10mg. We have a 13

year old girl about 105 lbs. Would timed released melatonin be appropriate for

her? 10mgs? For how long would this be safe?

Thank you for the advise.

Connie

[Guest guest]

Start on a lower dose. I'm 200 lbs and if I take 5mg it knocks me out. Time

release would be good if there is a problem waking throughout the night. If it

is just an issue of initially falling asleep, regular melatonin works fine.

This is a natural hormone that is produced in the body and can be safely used

for as long as needed.

TJ

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From: hndnfd <dhdudley@...>

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 5:18:30 AM

Subject: [ ] Melatonin

 

I read to try melatonin for a person not sleeping... up to 10mg. We have a 13

year old girl about 105 lbs. Would timed released melatonin be appropriate for

her? 10mgs? For how long would this be safe?

Thank you for the advise.

Connie