(No subject)

[Guest guest]

Good day, friends,

I am typing with my right hand bandaged, so - being the perfectionist

personality that I am , I will try and fix any typos, otherwise, please

forgive..

We all go through such different stages with this disease process, please NO

ONE

should feel that their situation is not worth whining about - no one has

walked a mile

in your mocassins. We are here to support each other no matter what, the way

I see it.

I did have a three month remission this summer- the first summer in 10 years

that I did not have to hire help with the children. I went crazy (for me) I

traveled to Cape Cod by myself and rented a house for a week with the kids (

hubby later joined us)

I then drove to Northern Maine - past Houlton where my sister (a

strict Mennonite) and her small family live. It was amazing for me that I was

able to drive

from the Cape to Bridgewater straight through in one day (several mini-stops).

I was praising God the whole way for the gift. My boys were with me (little

- 8 1/2

was a a week long y camp), and they spent the first " week " with their two

cousins

who are the same ages - 10 & 12. We loved the backwoods - moose in the yard,

a bear running across I-95, fishing in the pond, swimming in the swimming

hole, and

lots of good hearty mennonite food. My sister has an inverse medical

problem to mine - she was born with primary immune deficiency - back in 1962,

she has lived with severe infections all her life, and may not be with us too

many more years. her husband Jay is a carpenter and makes his own hours, so

he can

be there for her and the boys- a perfect situation., considering.

I should be able to start driving this week, so it will be much easier for my

husband-

he works 12 hour days at Pepsi, and then has to do all the school and

basketball

practice driving.

I am actually looking forward to the holidays, since I have the feeling that

this flare

is petering out - and I might feel good for once for the festivities. I hate

" having " to eat out on Thanksgiving if I am not up to cooking (no living

relatives around),

Good cheer to you all, and I love hearing from you all, let's keep up the

activity!

God Bless,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/31/98 6:46:08 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

CTNATIVE@... writes:

<< We all go through such different stages with this disease process, please

NO

ONE

should feel that their situation is not worth whining about - no one has

walked a mile

in your mocassins. We are here to support each other no matter what, the way

I see it. >>

It was nice " hearing " you say this, as I too felt my PA wasn't all that bad.

I didn't think I had much to complain about after hearing other stories.

Thanks.....

Be Well,

Trish

[Guest guest]

Good Morning All

It is great to hear more sharing - let's go for it!

I was wondering if anyone. else has been diagnosed with definite Lyme Disease

on top of their PA, Like I have - it is a difficult place to be in, since the

immunosupressants kind of let the Lyme bugs go crazy - but you need the

immunosupressants to keep the PA behaving.

The shots I had in my palms and fingers a week ago have cleared up stuff

around 50%. I still have open cracks and fissures on thumb, pointer and

middle finger of

right hand tthough. I am on antibiotic still, and am using psorcon and

bactroban too.

I even soaked my hand in dead sea salts last night. I hope they heal soon.

They sting so badly. I need to use Eucerin about ten times a day just to keep

the skin

and fingers flexible.

Welcome to all the new members, we are going strong now- pass the word along

to

anyone you feel would benefit from our list,

[Guest guest]

I need to whine a little and it looks like you are the lucky people who get to

hear it. About 10 days ago, I had 2 nearly pain free days. It was WONDERFUL.

I

didnt know how bad I had been hurting til I didnt hurt. Then the pain started

sliding back, a little worse each day. I seem to be fully into a flare now. I

went to see my RD, last Thursday. I told him I thought I needed a DMARD. He

disagreed. Because he coouldnt see any swelling or feel any heat, he said I

didnt

need a DMARD. Told me it was my FM that was causing me discomfort , so changed

my

med for that. Wouldnt listen when I tried to tell him how I was feeling. If he

couldnt see it or touch it, my pain in my joints didnt exist.

Well today, I got a new referral for an NEW RD. Cant get in before Jan. 20, but

have an appointment for then.

My PCP gave me a script for Ultram for the pain. Refilled my Arthrotec (which

seems to be helping better than other NSAIDs I have tried) and filled out the

paperwork for a permanent handicapped tag. I have a temporary one (my 6 months

runs out this month), but there doesnt look like there is going to be any end to

this anytime soon.

Thats it. Thats my whine. I feel like crap, I look like hell, and oh yes. I go

see my Orthopedic Surgeon tommorow for a recheck on my Bilateral TKRs.

I should feel better for getting that off my chest. I dont. Oh well!

Char Le Fleur

Iowa,

USA

[Guest guest]

Dear La

I heard your " whine " and I think that you spoke for a lot of us.So I at

least feel a little bit better knowing that I am not alone when the miseries

strike.

So far as your doctor, you did very well to change. In my humble opionion

any one who is not sensitive to pain unless they see blood should be a butcher

not a doctor. There are very very few rheumys who really know the " art " of

doctoring. And with arthritis being such an indivicual disease it is more an

art than a science. That is the reason that in this disease the patient always

knows more more than the doctor.

Keep insisting that you are right and one day the doctor may just learn

something from you.

Kit

[Guest guest]

charlotte le fleur wrote:

> I need to whine a little Because he coouldnt see any swelling or feel any

heat, he

> said I didnt

> need a DMARD.

Hi Char, I wish I could make it go away. I hate it when that happens. Just

take it

easy the best you can. One point about swelling and hot joints. I very rarely

have

this either. The larger joints never swell and I can only see this in the small

joints in the fingers and toes. I don't know if this is unusual or usual in PA,

but I

know what you mean. I am also glad you are trying another RD, at least for a

second

opinion. Tell this one about the pain without visible symptoms and that at

least one

other (me) has it also. I am on Relafin as well as MTX and it seems to be

working OK

as compared to other NSAID's. I obviously don't know why your Doc is not

recommending

a DMARD. He may be correct, but get that second opinion. The DMARD is not for

pain

but to slow the progression of the disease, so taking it now will not help you

with

this flare, but may in the future.

Thinking about you, hope you feel better,

Dan

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/12/98 3:27:42 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

maybull@... writes:

<< I need to whine a little and it looks like you are the lucky people who get

to

hear it. >>

Dear Char,

The way I see it, that's what we're here for! Talking to people that truly

understand what you are going through may not help the pain, but it sure will

help left you spirits. I don't have any visible swelling, other than my toes,

nor do I have heat. I believe you were right to get a new rheumy.....too bad

it will take so long to get in to see him. I'm on mtx and prednisone. The

mtx has done wonders for my skin, as has the pred for my pain. I still have

bad days, but nothing as severe as before the prednisone.

I wish you the best.............I hope your flare subsides soon.

Trish

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:49:43 -0800, charlotte le fleur

<maybull@...> wrote:

>Thats it. Thats my whine. I feel like crap, I look like hell, and oh yes. I

go

>see my Orthopedic Surgeon tommorow for a recheck on my Bilateral TKRs.

>I should feel better for getting that off my chest. I dont. Oh well!

>Char Le Fleur

>Iowa,

>USA

Hi Char,

Hate to hear that you're having troubles. Wish I had some good advise

to give but looks like I'm fresh out. Hope things get better for you

soon. Maybe the new RD will be able to help.

Take care,

Steve

http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve

[Guest guest]

Hey Char:

Like Dan, I have visible swelling only in the small joints. However, my knees

are, and

have for many years been the source of much pain. If they burn they seem to do

so only at

night. My RD initially thought it was patello femeral syndrom. She sent me for

physio

and the therapist, on of the most respected in eastern Canada, noticed some

anomolies

related to arthritis which might be difficult to pick up on an office

examination. Aside

from this the RA latex fixation also was positive and elevated. So the PA(and

perhaps RA)

can take on many forms that are not always noted on exam. Many docs do need to

see

something to support a patients claim before they will commit themselves. It

took 18 mos

from time of diagnosis until I was put on a DMARD. As difficult as it is hang

in

there...maybe the new RD will have a new opinion or the same opinion as your

other RD, but

a different approach to treatment.

Take care,

BruceM

dan etcheto wrote:

> From: dan etcheto <detcheto@...>

>

> charlotte le fleur wrote:

>

> > I need to whine a little Because he coouldnt see any swelling or feel any

heat, he

> > said I didnt

> > need a DMARD.

>

> Hi Char, I wish I could make it go away. I hate it when that happens. Just

take it

> easy the best you can. One point about swelling and hot joints. I very

rarely have

> this either. The larger joints never swell and I can only see this in the

small

> joints in the fingers and toes. I don't know if this is unusual or usual in

PA, but I

> know what you mean. I am also glad you are trying another RD, at least for a

second

> opinion. Tell this one about the pain without visible symptoms and that at

least one

> other (me) has it also. I am on Relafin as well as MTX and it seems to be

working OK

> as compared to other NSAID's. I obviously don't know why your Doc is not

recommending

> a DMARD. He may be correct, but get that second opinion. The DMARD is not

for pain

> but to slow the progression of the disease, so taking it now will not help you

with

> this flare, but may in the future.

>

> Thinking about you, hope you feel better,

>

> Dan

>

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[Guest guest]

Char,

Whine on. Everyone here understands and we all have been there are are

there now. Just don't let it beat you down.

Hope you start feeling better soon.

And so glad you will be seeing a new Rheumy. Hang in there until Jan.

Angera

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I would agree about taking seriously, the " cuts " on the soles of the feet, I

believe they are psoriasis lesions. Recently I noticed them myself along with

peeling of the skin on the soles -- this is just like what starts on my hands

-- and then infection and a major flare start up. I just finished with two --

two week prescriptions for antibiotics for the hands.

I am being very watchful with my feet. I am using

psorcon with Bactroban on the " cuts " with success so far.

My elbows, scalp and hands are flaring badly again too, so I am kept quite

busy am and PM with the lotions and potions. Oh well. The Psoriatic

Arthritis

is giving me the most trouble again - I called the rheumatologist today to ask

advice. He said that until the Arava kicks in, (since I stopped Imuran @ 4

pills a day -- " cold turkey " ) I will have to tough it out with pain medication

to deal with the flare. It is not advisable to take the Imuran with Arava. I

sure hope

the Arava works for me. I try to think positive -- but part of me thinks-well

-- we give this eight weeks-then if it doesn't work -- we go back to Imuran or

try Enbrel - which is another six-eight weeks to work.

(hello , I am in edit mode here - from what I see on the

alt.support.arthritis news group, people on

Enbrel are seeing relief in just a few days. What have you all heard? Dan)

Damn-the Arava has to work and soon. I am sick and tired of not being able to

drive my kids to school or to their basketball games. I hate having to ask

favors all the time from neighbors and friends. It feels so demoralizing.

With no relatives in New England who can help out, it is impossible to do

otherwise though.

The frustrating part of this disease, aside from the pain and discomfort is

the helplessness I feel when

I do not know what is going to happen next. If I do not surrender to that

helplessness though, I am miserable, and miserable to live with, so I have to

take it day by day -- one day at a time. I know I can handle it for one day.

More than that seems unbearable, so I have to break it down into pieces that

are manageable -- like one day. Does anyone else feel similarly?

[Guest guest]

-I am with Dan. The word on ASA is that it works for many starting with

the first dose.

Try not to get too diacouraged. Arava and Enbrel are both looking as good as

the predicted.

Char

CTNATIVE@... wrote:

> From: CTNATIVE@...

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I would agree about taking seriously, the " cuts " on the soles of the feet, I

> believe they are psoriasis lesions. Recently I noticed them myself along with

> peeling of the skin on the soles -- this is just like what starts on my hands

> -- and then infection and a major flare start up. I just finished with two --

> two week prescriptions for antibiotics for the hands.

> I am being very watchful with my feet. I am using

> psorcon with Bactroban on the " cuts " with success so far.

>

> My elbows, scalp and hands are flaring badly again too, so I am kept quite

> busy am and PM with the lotions and potions. Oh well. The Psoriatic

> Arthritis

> is giving me the most trouble again - I called the rheumatologist today to ask

> advice. He said that until the Arava kicks in, (since I stopped Imuran @ 4

> pills a day -- " cold turkey " ) I will have to tough it out with pain medication

> to deal with the flare. It is not advisable to take the Imuran with Arava. I

> sure hope

> the Arava works for me. I try to think positive -- but part of me thinks-well

> -- we give this eight weeks-then if it doesn't work -- we go back to Imuran or

> try Enbrel - which is another six-eight weeks to work.

>

> (hello , I am in edit mode here - from what I see on the

alt.support.arthritis news group, people on

> Enbrel are seeing relief in just a few days. What have you all heard? Dan)

>

> Damn-the Arava has to work and soon. I am sick and tired of not being able to

> drive my kids to school or to their basketball games. I hate having to ask

> favors all the time from neighbors and friends. It feels so demoralizing.

> With no relatives in New England who can help out, it is impossible to do

> otherwise though.

>

> The frustrating part of this disease, aside from the pain and discomfort is

> the helplessness I feel when

> I do not know what is going to happen next. If I do not surrender to that

> helplessness though, I am miserable, and miserable to live with, so I have to

> take it day by day -- one day at a time. I know I can handle it for one day.

> More than that seems unbearable, so I have to break it down into pieces that

> are manageable -- like one day. Does anyone else feel similarly?

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much. I really appreciate the response. Glad you are liking

retirement so much!!!

veronica

[ ] (no subject)

>(no from line)

>

>

>

>In-Reply- " Skelton " <vskelton@...>'s message of Mon,

21 Dec 1998 09:47:12 -0800

>

>

>

>,

>

>Sorry about my first message being sent off without me finishing it. I

>hit the wrong key.LOL

>

>As I was saying, take this disease seriously. I have been taking

>anti-inflamatory drugs since the onset of the disease and have been

>through so many that I cannot even count. I am now on Difluinsal for a

>few years and seems to be helping me so far the best. I am also on

>Methotexate,2.5 mg, 1 3 x per week and 1 2xper week alternating. This

>takes the edge off of the pain and swelling and REALLY helps with the

>Psoriasis. I also take 1mg of folic acid once a day. I have been on

>Plaquenil and had to be taken off of it due to Glaucoma (now I have that

>to tend with) and sulphasalazine did nothing but upset my stomach. But

>these are things you should be discussing with your Rheumy and which is

>best for you.

>

>I also read about the different diets and I feel that some of these are

>a bit extreme, but many swear by them.

>

>I have a very supportive husband who has been with me since day one of

>my diagnosis and I am not going to say that it has been easy, but we

>handle it together. I am sure he sometimes gets tired of me saying, oh,

>my hands hurt, or my hip is killing me or I just don't feel like going

>out today but he is just the best and he is the one that encourages me

>to do things when I don't feel like doing them. I took an early

>disability retirement from work about 3 years ago. I could not function

>normally on a daily basis anymore. I was always tired and in pain. So

>it was time and am so glad I did it. I was 44 at the time so I really

>wasn't ready for retirement but now I just love the extra time.

>

>Your question on your children inheriting this disease was interesting.

>I asked my Rheumy about that and she said that Psoriasis is hereditary.

>I know this to be true. My Grandmother (mom's side) has it and PA but

>not as severe as me. And I have a cousin on my mom's side also that has

>Psoriasis, so I conclude it is hereditary.

>

>Anytime you feel like talking or have questions just keep on writing to

>the list, or you can e-mail me personally. Someone will try an answer

>your questions. It is a great group of supportive people who have this

>same disease.

>

>Hope you had a great holiday.

>

>Angera

>

>HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome, you certainly are not alone. It is not uncommon to have stomach pain

with non-steroidals like Voltaren. You need to be careful to take them with a

full

belly. There are dozens of them - even ibuprofen is one. The most critical

thing will be getting evaluated by a good rheumatologist and perhaps starting

on a disease

modifying anti-rheumatic agent to stop the progress of the joint destruction.

Some of those medications are methotrexate, oral gold, neoral (cyclosporin),

etc...

There is someone who has tried all of them on this mailing list - so ask away

any

questions you may have.

Good Luck and God Bless,

[Guest guest]

In article <01be68ed$e1dc4680$0100007f@localhost>, TRACY SEVENOAKS

<tracy.sevenoaks@...> writes

>Im in the UK, and wondered if anyone else is? if so , do you know of any

>organisations in the UK for PA, id be grateful for the address.

>

>Im glad to hear that PA suffers are doing so well! its an inspiration.

>

>

I got these addresses from the insert which came with a tube of

Alphosyl cream. I haven't written to the PA one yet as I'm still in

denial <g> and I sent an SAE to The P Association last week.

The Psoriasis Association

7 Milton Street

Northampton NN2 7JG

Psoriatic Arthropathy Alliance

P.O.Box 111

St Albans

Herts AL2 3JQ.

--

Dave Bentley

[Guest guest]

Hi tracy ive also in the last few months been diagnosed with P/A,you dont want

xrays ask your doc for a bone scan ive just had one, and waiting for results,

Itsa lot better than xrays, keep smileing

.

p.s I live in wales

[ ] (no subject)

Hi, ive just been diagnosed as having PA after having Psoriasis sine about

12 and symptoms of PA for about 5 years. I never new what they were, I though I

just had a weak back, a weak neck, hands and feet!

About 4 weeks ago it all my joints were seizing up, and I could just get up

the stairs to bed. I was given voltron but it upset me so im back to the Dr's

and im going to ask for x rays to find out the extent of my PA.

Joining the list has helped me cos I know im not alone and I can get advice

and help from you, and I hope to give so back (if I can!)

Im in the UK, and wondered if anyone else is? if so , do you know of any

organisations in the UK for PA, id be grateful for the address.

Im glad to hear that PA suffers are doing so well! its an inspiration.

[Guest guest]

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> Subject: Re: [ ] THIS MAY OPEN UP A HUGE CAN OF WORMS,

> BUT....................................................................

> .......

>

> Jon,

>

> I have been on a low dose of MTX (15mg) for over a year. Because of no

> problems and doing so well I reduced the doseage and boy was that a mistake.

> Since Thanksgiving I have not been right. Constant pain all over,

> especially neck, back and shoulders. At present I am I am on 25mgs. This

> means I have to take MTX injections weekly. It has been 4 weeks and little

> relief. My biggest problem is with my left wrist. My had is practically

> useless. Swollen horribly, I see the doc on Wed. He says either surgery

> or some other shots.???????

> {A side note from - are you aware that

> you may consider increasing your dose to up to 50-60 mg? I and some others

did this with some success for quite a while before we had to tread onto new

> ground with a new med.??)

>

> As for MTX I have had no problems. But make sure if you try it, take folic

> acid along with it - otherwise you'll get mouth ulcers.

> (Please consider increasing your dose, and don't forget the anti-nausea

meds!my two cents worth)

> \

> I will probably be going off MTX soon and try something else.

>

> Good luck,

> Michele K

>

> At 02:44 PM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote:

> >From: apex@...

> >

> >I have now been urged to go on MTX.

> >

> >I have long dreaded and deeply feared this moment.

> >

> >I have heard MTX horror stories.

> >

> >I have heard positives, too, but I also have little faith in MDs, as

> >they deaccentuate and brish-down the side effect realities.

> >

> >MY ? IS:

> >

> >Are there any other safer, less risky Psoriatic A meds that anyone knows

> >of?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Jon

> >

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This has been VERY, VERY informative.

Thanks,

Jon

[Guest guest]

Pat,

Bravo! It is always a relief to know the enemy. Glad that the eye problem is

solved. Well at least diagnosed.

Kit

[Guest guest]

Try C. Rountree in Boulder at 303-499-9224 or fax 9593.

See Burton Goldberg's book on Alt. Medicine Definitive Guide to Cancer for a

write up. He says most of his patients have already gone through chemo, so

deals with the side effects from it, and works with patients who want a

combination of traditional and alternative.

Melinda

www.cancure.org

Cancer Cure Foundation

[ ] (no subject)

>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>

>Someone gave the name of a clinic that does alternative medicine in

>Boulder, Co. awhile back, and I thought I printed the page, but didn't.

>Anyone remember the name?

>

>Thanks,

>Diane

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Melinda,

Thanks so much for the info. I just ordered the Alt. Med. Def. Guide to

Cancer. Can't wait to get it. I'm sort of in an odd place with an

aggressive oncologist who wanted to cut, chemo, and radiation yesterday, so

will either change docs, or come up with something else. It's difficult

being in rural Montana, and am feeling a move coming up here soon.

Thanks again.

Diane

At 10:23 PM 6/26/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: " Melinda Wiman " <wiman@...>

>

>Try C. Rountree in Boulder at 303-499-9224 or fax 9593.

>

>See Burton Goldberg's book on Alt. Medicine Definitive Guide to Cancer for a

>write up. He says most of his patients have already gone through chemo, so

>deals with the side effects from it, and works with patients who want a

>combination of traditional and alternative.

>

>Melinda

>www.cancure.org

>Cancer Cure Foundation

> [ ] (no subject)

>

>

>>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>>

>>Someone gave the name of a clinic that does alternative medicine in

>>Boulder, Co. awhile back, and I thought I printed the page, but didn't.

>>Anyone remember the name?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>Diane

>>

>>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

You might want to consider laetrile. Check out www.worldwithoutcancer.com

for more info. Can be ordered on the internet. They have a complete

protocol, with vitamins and enzymes that are very important in a laetrile

treatment, in addition to diet.

Also, Dr. Gold does consultations over the internet. See

http://www.wellweb.com/CANCER/Consultations/cancerconsult.htm for more info.

Melinda

www.cancure.org

Cancer Cure Foundation

[ ] (no subject)

>>

>>

>>>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>>>

>>>Someone gave the name of a clinic that does alternative medicine in

>>>Boulder, Co. awhile back, and I thought I printed the page, but didn't.

>>>Anyone remember the name?

>>>

>>>Thanks,

>>>Diane

>>>

>>>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Melinda,

Thanks again for the great info!

Diane

At 10:37 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:

>From: " Melinda Wiman " <wiman@...>

>

>You might want to consider laetrile. Check out www.worldwithoutcancer.com

>for more info. Can be ordered on the internet. They have a complete

>protocol, with vitamins and enzymes that are very important in a laetrile

>treatment, in addition to diet.

>

>Also, Dr. Gold does consultations over the internet. See

>http://www.wellweb.com/CANCER/Consultations/cancerconsult.htm for more info.

>

>Melinda

>www.cancure.org

>Cancer Cure Foundation

>

>

>

> [ ] (no subject)

>>>

>>>

>>>>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>>>>

>>>>Someone gave the name of a clinic that does alternative medicine in

>>>>Boulder, Co. awhile back, and I thought I printed the page, but didn't.

>>>>Anyone remember the name?

>>>>

>>>>Thanks,

>>>>Diane

>>>>

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[Guest guest]

Hello Diane,

DN> Someone had given a website for the Rife generator earlier and I have lost

DN> it. Does anyone have it?

I feel it's not the thing, but some words about Rife there is. If

you'll find more, please resend me the Link.

Thanx

Best regards,

RoM mailto:romanr@...

[Guest guest]

Diane,

There are lots of different rife generators to purchase. Check out the

following web sites:

http://www.rifemachine.com

http://www.kalamark.com/batyah/

http://www.rt66.com/~rifetech/

http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt.htm

Margie Bander

[ ] (no subject)

From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

Someone had given a website for the Rife generator earlier and I have lost

it. Does anyone have it?

Thanks,

Diane

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/2/99 1:41:07 PM Central Daylight Time,

dianelnl@... writes:

<< rom: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>

>Someone had given a website for the Rife generator earlier and I have lost

>it. Does anyone have it?

>

>Thanks,

>Diane >>

Diane,

There is also a Rife list to join if you want. I was on it for awhile but it

was way over my head.

edith