update

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I'm so sorry that you didn't get to hunt this year. In Indiana, they

are asking people to go hunting because we have too many deer!! The

shooting up there in Wisconsin has been all over the news down here.

I'm so sorry for your community there. What a terrible thing to happen.

Good thing your brother got two. Maybe he will share some of the

venison with you.

I still haven't heard back from my doc about going off tx. I hit my

halfway mark next week! oooo!! I get my 12 week PCR done too so I

can see what my viral level is. I can't wait!! I'm feeling good today.

I'll mark it up to turkey, and all the trimmings. Oh...and pie. LOL!

I'm thankful for all you wonderful people out there.

Where is our girl from Louisiana?? I miss her.

Have a good weekend everyone,

Barbara

>

> Hello All,

> I'm having some interesting side effects that I thought I would share

> with all of you.

>

> #1-blurred vision in my right eye. I went to the ER because it was a

> sudden onset. At first the doc thought I had Central Serous

> Retinopathy but after a test on my retina they have ruled that out.

> The hep doc said I may have to stop treatment because of this side

effect.

>

> #2-On the same night my blood pressure went through the roof!

> 185/124!! Yikes! For the past three months I have been to one doctor

> or another because of my hysterectomy and the Hep. My pressure has

> been normal without medicine. Then, two Tuesdays ago it shot up. And

> it was higher the next day! So, I'm back on blood pressure medicine.

> It may be my thyroid, and again, I may have to stop therapy. UGH!!

>

> I'm almost half way through tx and I don't want to stop now!! Not

> after all the crap!! I feel like screaming. I take my 12th shot next

> Monday and go for my 12 week PCR three days later. I want to see those

> test results. I want to know I " m killing the stinkin' virus'.

>

> As for dizziness...I have it all the time. In fact, I feel like I " m

> going to fall over sometimes. I just stop for a moment, take a drink

> of water if I have some available, and it usually clears up. I hope

> you feel better Rhonda. Hang in there.

>

> Thanks for being here for me to rant.

> Barbara

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure if he had an extra tag or not, but even if he didn't we hunt in a group of 10-12 guys, and we hunt until all the tags are full (I don't think we ever filled them all). So if he's filled his, he can shoot another one that one of the other guys can tag. By the letter of the law, as long as the other guy is near enough to be called to tag it, it's legal to do. -dz-Rhonda <rhondahudson@...> wrote:

if your brother got two deer here that would be called poaching-lolHow is it he can do that?Boy I can't remember the last time I had venison and I dearly love itRhonda [ ] Re: Update> > > Dave,> I'm so sorry that you didn't get to hunt this year. In Indiana, they> are asking people to go hunting because we have too many deer!! The> shooting up there in Wisconsin has been all over the news down here.> I'm so sorry for your community there. What a terrible thing to happen. > Good thing your brother got two. Maybe he will share some of the> venison with you. > I still haven't heard back

from my doc about going off tx. I hit my> halfway mark next week! oooo!! I get my 12 week PCR done too so I> can see what my viral level is. I can't wait!! I'm feeling good today.> I'll mark it up to turkey, and all the trimmings. Oh...and pie. LOL!> I'm thankful for all you wonderful people out there. > Where is our girl from Louisiana?? I miss her.> Have a good weekend everyone,> Barbara> > > > > > Hello All,> > I'm having some interesting side effects that I thought I would share> > with all of you.> > > > #1-blurred vision in my right eye. I went to the ER because it was a> > sudden onset. At first the doc thought I had Central Serous> > Retinopathy but after a test on my retina they have ruled that out.> > The hep doc said I may have to stop treatment because of this side> effect.> > > > #2-On the same night my blood pressure went through the

roof!> > 185/124!! Yikes! For the past three months I have been to one doctor> > or another because of my hysterectomy and the Hep. My pressure has> > been normal without medicine. Then, two Tuesdays ago it shot up. And> > it was higher the next day! So, I'm back on blood pressure medicine.> > It may be my thyroid, and again, I may have to stop therapy. UGH!!> > > > I'm almost half way through tx and I don't want to stop now!! Not> > after all the crap!! I feel like screaming. I take my 12th shot next> > Monday and go for my 12 week PCR three days later. I want to see those> > test results. I want to know I"m killing the stinkin' virus'. > > > > As for dizziness...I have it all the time. In fact, I feel like I"m> > going to fall over sometimes. I just stop for a moment, take a drink> > of water if I have some available, and it usually clears up.

I hope> > you feel better Rhonda. Hang in there.> > > > Thanks for being here for me to rant.> > Barbara> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

---That is alot going on. You will be in my prayers to handle all of

that, do whatever you can squeeze in to help yourself!! I will also

be praying for God's covering on your family. What your daughter has

going on sounds quite serious. God's strength to you, Susie

In , pam northam

<strawberripam@y...> wrote:

>

>

> Hey...I will be in the hospital with my daughter all next week

too...They found the cause of her pain and she has some sort of

infection or something in her butt bone and her knee bone on left

side and her left foot and ankle...They are doing all sorts of tests

on her...We have been in since Saturday...They took her off all of

her bi-polar meds they were over drugging her...Plus my dad had a

heart attack and so they put stints in and he isn't doing so

well...And my grandma has the pneumonia and she is gonna be 94 years

old...So I am living at the hospital now untill we are done with all

the testing...So that is what is going on...Ken and I are having some

rough things going on...So keep us in your prayers and

thoughts...

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

that is a lot at once. I wll remember you in my prayers and hope for

things to settle down for you soon.

Best wishes,

marti

>

>

> Hey...I will be in the hospital with my daughter all next week

too...They found the cause of her pain and she has some sort of

infection or something in her butt bone and her knee bone on left

side and her left foot and ankle...They are doing all sorts of tests

on her...We have been in since Saturday...They took her off all of

her bi-polar meds they were over drugging her...Plus my dad had a

heart attack and so they put stints in and he isn't doing so

well...And my grandma has the pneumonia and she is gonna be 94 years

old...So I am living at the hospital now untill we are done with all

the testing...So that is what is going on...Ken and I are having some

rough things going on...So keep us in your prayers and

thoughts...

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

that is great I am also doing great I add hcg shot 3 x's a week and

after 9 days I feel my testis getting bigger this is great they have been dryed

up for a long time. In the last 6 weeks I have lost 18 lbs. This is the best I

have felt in the whole 16 yrs. on TRT.

Phil

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,

Have not been active on the boards as:

1. New Job

2. New Motercycle

3. Feeling normal

4. Still horny as hell

Recent changes to my protocol:

Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine and happy

after 2 weeks

no problem.

Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change that, and that

is what is

a good measure of the correct dosage.

Cheers to all,

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

,

What brand of DIM are you using?

Is the sub-q T injections as effective as IM? If so, do you have any

references or links to more info about this?

Thanks,

> Hi Gang,

>

> Have not been active on the boards as:

>

> 1. New Job

> 2. New Motercycle

> 3. Feeling normal

> 4. Still horny as hell

>

> Recent changes to my protocol:

>

> Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine

and happy after 2 weeks

> no problem.

>

> Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

>

> DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

>

> Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

>

> Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change

that, and that is what is

> a good measure of the correct dosage.

>

> Cheers to all,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

That is great news to hear, now i wish Doctors and men with low T could read

what you

have to say. Has your libido picked up with the hcg shots at all? How many iu's

are you

doing each shot? There was a study about intertesticular testosterone levels

being normal

on 250iu 3x a week, is that how you are dosing?

> Hi Gang,

>

> Have not been active on the boards as:

>

> 1. New Job

> 2. New Motercycle

> 3. Feeling normal

> 4. Still horny as hell

>

> Recent changes to my protocol:

>

> Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine and happy

after 2

weeks

> no problem.

>

> Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

>

> DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

>

> Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

>

> Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change that, and

that is what

is

> a good measure of the correct dosage.

>

> Cheers to all,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

,

The brand is Source Naturals 100mg 60 tablets.

It has Vitamin E 50IU

Phosphatidyl Choline 2mg

Black Pepper Fruit Extract (Bioperine) 3mg

Along with the 100mg of Diindolylmethane

I get it from VitaCost.com

> > Hi Gang,

> >

> > Have not been active on the boards as:

> >

> > 1. New Job

> > 2. New Motercycle

> > 3. Feeling normal

> > 4. Still horny as hell

> >

> > Recent changes to my protocol:

> >

> > Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine

> and happy after 2 weeks

> > no problem.

> >

> > Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

> >

> > DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

> >

> > Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

> >

> > Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change

> that, and that is what is

> > a good measure of the correct dosage.

> >

> > Cheers to all,

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

it took me yrs. to get my Dr. to stop the gels I was on they did nothing

for my joint and muscle pain shit I was house bound for the last 2 yrs. My Dr.

wood add shots 200 mg. every other week to the 10g of Testim to help with the

pain this worked. But drove up my E2 and when I asked him to check it he

laughed and said men don't have problems with Estradiol. I had to print out a

lot of articles to get him on board. I kept telling him that doing the gels and

shots made no since to me why not just do shots every week. Finely 3 months ago

he switched me to shots and I started to feel dam good.

Now I gave him a article by Dr. on adding Hcg to ones TRT and my Dr. told

me I was still making LH and FSH and if he put me on Hcg that would stop me from

making my own LH and FSH.

So on my last blood test I had my LH and FSH checked. It came back so low they

would not measure it. So my Dr. agreed to start me on Hcg but he would not do

what Dr. is doing. He put me on 500 IU's MWF. And I go back to see him in

2 weeks so he can take a value what every that is. It took me so long to get my

Dr. there I am just glade he put me on it. So I am not going to rock the boat.

The dose I am on is not going to hurt anything it is just a waste of the med but

it is only good for 60 days after you mix it. So what is the waste.

Let me tell you I have felt stress since coming down with low T 21 yrs. ago and

after the first shot of Hcg it was like a ton was lifted off my shoulders I felt

so calm and that night sleep like a baby. Now my I feel my testis coming back

they were real small and all I could see it my sack hanging there now they are

full and I can see my nuts. I hope this means I am making T. My libido is up a

lot but the best part is the feeling of well being I have now. Now my Dr. is

putting his men on Hcg. Is this the link you are talking about I printed it out

for my Dr. last week.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Phil

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:Phil,

That is great news to hear, now i wish Doctors and men with low T could read

what you

have to say. Has your libido picked up with the hcg shots at all? How many iu's

are you

doing each shot? There was a study about intertesticular testosterone levels

being normal

on 250iu 3x a week, is that how you are dosing?

> Hi Gang,

>

> Have not been active on the boards as:

>

> 1. New Job

> 2. New Motercycle

> 3. Feeling normal

> 4. Still horny as hell

>

> Recent changes to my protocol:

>

> Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine and happy

after 2

weeks

> no problem.

>

> Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

>

> DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

>

> Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

>

> Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change that, and

that is what

is

> a good measure of the correct dosage.

>

> Cheers to all,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Do you have to be a secondary to see the effects of HCG, what about primary?

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Glad your Doctor is still learning....... and has a great teacher........

That is the correct link and it shows that your ITT should be %26 higher then

normal at

500iu 3 times a week, so i would expect that as in enstein " they are

alive!!! "

That is how i feel when using HCG the boys get all hard and swollen, like they

have been

reanimated.

I do think that over time there will be desensitation and that it is important

to cycle off

HCG for a period, mabe till they feel like they are shrinking once more.

> > Hi Gang,

> >

> > Have not been active on the boards as:

> >

> > 1. New Job

> > 2. New Motercycle

> > 3. Feeling normal

> > 4. Still horny as hell

> >

> > Recent changes to my protocol:

> >

> > Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine and happy

after 2

> weeks

> > no problem.

> >

> > Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

> >

> > DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

> >

> > Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

> >

> > Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change that, and

that is

what

> is

> > a good measure of the correct dosage.

> >

> > Cheers to all,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Very interesting question. One would expect no results from using HCG if one is

primary.

But, to tell you the truth, i would expect some benefits even for someone who is

primary.

LH is a hormone, and it may have uses in the male body that are not understood.

HCG is inexpensive and sfe, so there is no reason not to try it and see for

yourself.

Also i would be interested in hearing if it did anything for a primary.

> Do you have to be a secondary to see the effects of HCG, what about primary?

[Guest guest]

by Crisler, DO of www.AllThingsMale.com

(For more information on Crisler, DO and AllThingsMale.com, please click on

the above banner.)

In my paper “My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men”,

published in A4M’s 2004/5 Anti-Aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new

protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly

added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily

cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows, along with

a new improvement I wish to share:

Any physician who administers TRT will, within the first few months of doing so,

field complaints from their patients because they are now experiencing troubling

testicular atrophy. Irrespective of the numerous and abundant benefits of TRT,

men never enjoy seeing their genitals shrinking! Testicular atrophy occurs

because the depressed LH level, secondary to the HPTA suppression TRT induces,

no longer supports them. It is well known that HCG—a Luteinizing Hormone (LH)

analog—will effectively, and dramatically, restore the testicles to previous

form and function. It accomplishes this due to shared moiety between the alpha

subunits of both hormones.

So, that satisfies an aesthetic consideration which should not be ignored. Now

let’s delve into the pharmacodynamics of the TRT medications. For those

employing injectable testosterone cypionate, the cypionate ester provides a 5-8

day half-life, depending upon the specific metabolism, activity level, and

overall health of the patient. It is now well-established that appropriate TRT

using IM injections must be dosed at weekly intervals, in order to avoid seating

the patient on a hormonal, and emotional, roller coaster. Adding in some HCG

toward the end of the weekly “cycle” compensates for the drop in serum androgen

levels by the half-life of the cypionate ester. Certainly the body thrives on

regularity, and supplementing the TRT with endogenous testosterone production at

just the right time—without inappropriately raising androgen OR estrogen (more

on that later)—approximates the excellent performance stability of transdermal

testosterone delivery systems for those who, for whatever

reason or reasons, prefer test cyp.

But there’s another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side

Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation

of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones,

glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by

LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of

lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve

to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more

raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition

of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural

balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or

even partially, HPTA-suppressed.

It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day.

There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is

wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly

stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels,

and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell

desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while

perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe,

dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT

patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp

injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective

reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that

regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their

HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their

IM shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as

necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

I made this change after realizing that the previous HCG protocol was boosting

serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise,

approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of

supporting serum androgen levels with HCG had overshot its mark.

Those TRT patients who prefer a transdermal testosterone, or even testosterone

pellets (although I am not in favor of same), take their HCG every third day.

They needn’t concern themselves with diminishing serum androgen levels from

their testosterone delivery system. These patients will, of course, notice an

increase in serum androgen levels above baseline.

While HCG, as sole TRT, is still considered treatment of choice for

hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism by many , my experience is that it just does not

bring the same subjective benefits as pure testosterone delivery systems do—even

when similar serum androgen levels are produced from comparable baseline values.

However, supplementing the more “traditional” TRT of transdermal, or injected,

testosterone with HCG stabilizes serum levels, prevents testicular atrophy,

helps rebalance expression of other hormones, and brings reports of greatly

increased sense of well-being and libido. My patients absolutely love it. As

time goes on, we are coming to appreciate HCG as a much more powerful--and

wonderful--hormone than previously given credit.

*Copyright Crisler, DO 2004. This article may, in its entirety or in part,

be reprinted and republished without permission, provided that credit be given

to its author, with copyright notice and www.AllThingsMale.com clearly displayed

as source. Written permission from Dr. Crisler is required for all other uses.

Dr. Crisler may be reached at:

Doctor@...

* Article by Crisler, DO of www.AllThingsMale.com .

deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote:

Do you have to be a secondary to see the effects of HCG, what about primary?

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Did your T levels go up when you added Hcg. If my levels go up we will cut it

back to 250 IU's like Dr. does.

Phil

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:

Phil,

Glad your Doctor is still learning....... and has a great teacher........

That is the correct link and it shows that your ITT should be %26 higher then

normal at

500iu 3 times a week, so i would expect that as in enstein " they are

alive!!! "

That is how i feel when using HCG the boys get all hard and swollen, like they

have been

reanimated.

I do think that over time there will be desensitation and that it is important

to cycle off

HCG for a period, mabe till they feel like they are shrinking once more.

> > Hi Gang,

> >

> > Have not been active on the boards as:

> >

> > 1. New Job

> > 2. New Motercycle

> > 3. Feeling normal

> > 4. Still horny as hell

> >

> > Recent changes to my protocol:

> >

> > Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine and happy

after 2

> weeks

> > no problem.

> >

> > Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

> >

> > DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

> >

> > Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

> >

> > Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change that, and

that is

what

> is

> > a good measure of the correct dosage.

> >

> > Cheers to all,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

I think I'll ask my doc about HCG on my next visit. So HCG is inexpensive? About

how much is

it per shot and how many do most people take per week?

[Guest guest]

If your on the gels take 250 IU's every 3rd. day if you on shots weekly take 250

IU's the 2 days each before your next shot. It come in to bottles and needs to

be mixed then it needs to be in the firge so it will not spoil. One box that is

only good for 60 days is about $45.00. so doing that much you will be troughing

out half a bottle.

Phil

deltaguy99 <no_reply > wrote:

I think I'll ask my doc about HCG on my next visit. So HCG is inexpensive? About

how much is

it per shot and how many do most people take per week?

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

No clue if my levels went up on HCG as i have not tested HCG alone. I tend to

vary my T

dose to adjust up or down on how i feel with HCG or not. I am off HCG now for a

few

weeks and will start back on it as soon as i feel i need it. I would expect that

i am making

more T but it can't be anywhere near the amount i get from shots. HCG alone was

not

enough for me, i felt the low T creep in within a few weeks on HCG alone.

> > > Hi Gang,

> > >

> > > Have not been active on the boards as:

> > >

> > > 1. New Job

> > > 2. New Motercycle

> > > 3. Feeling normal

> > > 4. Still horny as hell

> > >

> > > Recent changes to my protocol:

> > >

> > > Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine and

happy after 2

> > weeks

> > > no problem.

> > >

> > > Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

> > >

> > > DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

> > >

> > > Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

> > >

> > > Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change that,

and that is

> what

> > is

> > > a good measure of the correct dosage.

> > >

> > > Cheers to all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

I am hoping that the addition of Hcg will bring my T levels up so I can do less

on my shots.

Phil

theta_2k <pohare@...> wrote:No clue if my levels went up on HCG as i

have not tested HCG alone. I tend to vary my T

dose to adjust up or down on how i feel with HCG or not. I am off HCG now for a

few

weeks and will start back on it as soon as i feel i need it. I would expect that

i am making

more T but it can't be anywhere near the amount i get from shots. HCG alone was

not

enough for me, i felt the low T creep in within a few weeks on HCG alone.

> > > Hi Gang,

> > >

> > > Have not been active on the boards as:

> > >

> > > 1. New Job

> > > 2. New Motercycle

> > > 3. Feeling normal

> > > 4. Still horny as hell

> > >

> > > Recent changes to my protocol:

> > >

> > > Went off everything for 2 weeks, to see how i was doing. Was fine and

happy after 2

> > weeks

> > > no problem.

> > >

> > > Back on but doing 100mg sub-q every 7 days.

> > >

> > > DIM is interesting, seems to kick in around 4 tabs a day.

> > >

> > > Kinda reduced most everything i was taking, and all seems well.

> > >

> > > Decided that i am as horny as a 19 year old, so why try to change that,

and that is

> what

> > is

> > > a good measure of the correct dosage.

> > >

> > > Cheers to all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

[Guest guest]

Is it possible you need to try a different antibiotic?

Kathy

> last night I went to a wedding and I was so tired and weak from my

> legs it felt as if I had no balance, today I feel much better then

> yesterday.

> I stopped the minocycline it is very potent and I felt much better,my

> doc says it is ok to go on and off mino..I was very depressed from

the

> meds, also I am now doing wholistic but my nutritionist likes

standard

> process wich is using animal products. is anyone taking these

> supplements?let me know?I have a fear about animal based

derivatives..

> at this point I know I have so much damage and I am trying to build

> the body in between antibiotics,every time i take minocycline even

the

> lowest dose I herx to the point that it is unbearable. anyway feeling

> much better today and no head fog like the other day..

> eric

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/28/2005 4:51:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

eric_s11050@... writes:

fot those of you who have neuro lyme I have gotten so much better that

I got up early for work so I could get things done..mino see,s to be

the ticket but it is not fun when bieng taken as it really hits them

hard...so yes there is a light AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL...

ERIC

YIPPIEEEEEEE !!!! YEA FOR YOU ERIC !!!! I AM SOOOO VERY HAPPY FOR YOU !!!

PLEASE KEEP US POSTED !!!! KAT

[Guest guest]

hello everyone...

i don't write often but i just got some new info....

the pain i have been having in my hips and down the front of my legs isn't

avascular necrosis....which is good...

but...it is arthritis related to PA or degenerative....they don't know

which.....but it showed up on the xray...

so...i am hobbling around on a cane since December and i know now that i am

NOT crazy....lol

i was beginning to think i was....

I still don't have a job...(fired dec 30) and the bills are piling up........

still don't have unemployment...and nothing from the SSA......so....i

wait...and ...wait...

[Guest guest]

'Twas me *waving arms* mentioned Nightwish. They have a

website...www.nightwish.com. Sadly, they sing in English - or at

least they do on the album I have ( " Once " ). What pulled them into my

orbit, so to speak, was a video someone had made using footage from

Wolf's Rain set to the bonus track on that album, " White Night

Fantasy " , which is much softer than the rest of the tracks on that

album.

I put the " Wolf's Rain " video on my blog which is located at

http://www.xanga.com/R_Dorothy_attempts_to_be_Cheza back in May (on

the 8th - still there and playable if you scroll back to that date) -

the lyrics to it go very well with the WR story...Paradise and wolves

being key plot points that are actually mentioned in the lyrics!

*Yes, I am...*gulp*...an anime geek *hangs head**

*A warning of sorts - sometimes, in my venting in the blogosphere I

get very heated and sometimes exhibit...ummm...*blushes*...some un-

ladylike behavior (i.e. namely cussing)...and that's the main purpose

of me having a blog...so I have an outlet in which to vent

uncensored...so those who venture there please keep that in mind. I'm

pretty much a goody-two-shoes who picked up some bad habits at one

point. I'm trying to break them, but that's a lot harder than picking

them up to begin with.*

Ian, you know we understand about what things fall by the wayside in

times of stress. 'Tis part of the reason I seem to be part

of " 's late answers club " lately

It was 101 degrees, with a heat index of somewhere between 105 and

108, here the other day. I thought for sure I'd melt. *Suddenly

pictures Bloody and Liat singing to Saxy Lieutellan on Bali

Hai...*giggles*

The fact that even your son says IF he were driving his other car he

" might be " dead may be a good sign...perhaps that's a sign he knows

he needs help and wants it. I ignored too many signs with one

friend...pick up on every detail.

Bhangra? You mean like Bollywood? Get " Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge "

if you don't have it. I put that one on at work from time to time to

*entertain* my co-workers. Between that and the original, MUCH

SUPERIOR, German " Tanz Der Vampire " , which Crawford turned

into a classic Broadway flop " Dance of the Vampires " instead of

leaving it a moody masterpiece...I keep a few people puzzled

sometimes in Arkansas *lol*. Throw in the Queen musical " We Will Rock

You " and my Christian RAP and ROCK and INDIE ROCKER CD's and I think

they're heads might explode *lol*.

Bulgaria, eh? Intriguing. Enjoy your holiday. You deserve a good one.

I hope your back gets better. Take care. Keep that light shining.

Peace,

Jenn in Arkansas

>

> Hi all,

>

> Sorry its been a while. The first thing to go when I am under

> stress is my reading and writing and its the last thing to go back

> to normal. LOL (whatever that is ?) Thanks for your messages, I

> will answer them all when I am functioning a little better. My son

> is improving but still has a long way to go. I will be there for

> him. He's living with us at the moment, which he has not done for

> the last five years, so we can keep quite a close eye on him. Had

> to make our dining room into a makeshift bedroom.

>

> We're having a bit of a heatwave over here. Hottest temperatures

> for 100 years. There blaming global warming, but we had these

> temperatures 100 years ago and was that global warming? No they

> just made up a song about mad dogs and Englishmen going out in the

> mid-day sun. (a bit of " Happy Talk " for you there Betz) LOL

>

> Looks like my son did attempt to do himself harm that night. He

> drove his car into a lamppost. I knew that encouraging him to buy

a

> Volkswagen would have its benefits, he didn't have a scratch on him

> and his car's a write-off. Mind you even he says that had he been

> driving his other car he might be dead.

>

> I know someone mentioned a Finnish band. I will find out who they

> are and listen to them at some ridiculous decibels. Hope they sing

> in Finnish, I love the look of people when you are listening to

> something in another language, hey, I even listen to some Bhangra

> music.

>

> I know my post brought back some painful memories for some of you.

> My thoughts and prayers are with you.

>

> Well, my Ps A is killing me, especially my spine but at least it's

> the least of my worries. It will get better when I am under less

> stress. Social security are on my back to see if I am fit to work,

> maybe that is why I am having so many spinal problems, they really

> ought to get off my back, its not that good.

>

> Off on my Holidays in four weeks time. Bulgaria this time. Can't

> wait to get to a cooler country. The heat is too much over here.

> LOL

>

> Love and respect to all,

> Keep the light shining,

> Ian.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian,

Its good to see that light shining again. I'm glad you are back and

everything is going along ok.

I hope your son can work his way through his problems. He will know that you

are there for him to help in any way you can.

Hopefully as things ease around you your flare will calm down. It will be all

the stress you have been going through recently.

I reckon you will be looking forward to your holiday in Bulgaria. Make sure

you enjoy it. That's an order! lol

I have just read your last mail regarding Gold. I was on that for a number of

years so I will break with tradition (lol) and answer this one to Phil next.

Take care Ian and have a good holiday.

In a message dated 28/07/2006 21:25:42 GMT Daylight Time,

viking_warlock@... writes:

Sorry its been a while. The first thing to go when I am under

stress is my reading and writing and its the last thing to go back

to normal. LOL

[Guest guest]

Hey Hon....shouldn't you see your Primary Care doc for a sinus

infection? If you havea a sinus infection brewing, it won't hold for 2

weeks. I think you ought to give your PC a call. Hope it gets better

for you soon. I know it's disappointing to " backslide " . Love Betz

>

[Guest guest]

Hi S.

Improvement is improvement. MTX takes 8-12 weeks to give an accurate

measure if it is helping. I urge you to continue, it could get much

better. I'm not a Dr., but I experienced the same up/down results for a

bit too. 10mg is a very low dose (but I was on it for over 3 years).

Your sinus problem is likely just a coincidence. And it is getting to

be hayfever/allergy season. You mention no ther side effects, so it

seems that you could continue without risk.

I should note that 10mg a week for over 3 years, was enough to bring me

from barely walking to normal.

Stay Well,