Re: The reception you have received on this list

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have only been with this group a short time and I don’t feel that anyone should judge the group by two responses received, I have learned allot and I have obtained a lot of information that has benefited me. I didn't always like everything I heard, nor did I always get the response I wanted and once or twice I may not have gotten any response.

I do agree with Ellen (Abby Publications) about the reception you received from Joe and Gil, but don't judge the group by just those two. The whole ideal is to get the information to people, a majority of it you don't need or want, but they make it all available for you. You have to sift through it...and the 10 % you do get helps a lot believe me.

I happen to have used a BIO product also for over three months and would continue to be using it and promoting it had I not ran out of money. I felt much better and my immunities were getting stronger. I would not have cared whether they were FDA approved or not, I have been under a doctors care for over 7 years and I have taken all the FDA approved medicine I care to take (at one point I was taking 16 different pills or medicines daily). None of it helped much except predizone and we all know how much damage that does to your system, don’t we and guess what its FDA approved. If it works for you, then that is awesome, if they are sick and don't want to try it then that's their choice.

I have never ever been one to push my views or criticize someone on their bad habits, it’s sort of like the government making pot smoking (I don't smoke it) illegal again. WHY? What's the big deal? We have people out there that are dying and smoking pot is the only thing that gives them a little bit of comfort in this world (no FDA approved medicines help). Yet the government wants to take it away! How many dying people are there out in the world, that have harmed someone or been very destructive because they smoke pot? So that tells me allot about what the government approves or doesn't approve, it also tells me allot about what facts they use to make their decisions. Take cigarettes and alcohol, both are legal, are they harmful to anyone? Are they not harmful to anyone? Who decides?

People can be mean and cruel, sometimes doing as much damage if not more than a disease. But allot of times they don't realize how much of an effect they can have on people, by what they say. But it’s their opinion not ours and we have to learn to not let other peoples opinions get to us, because they are entitled to their own opinion as we are. So whether or not someone dislikes what you have to say, it’s your opinion and don't ever quit voicing it, some where someone will benefit. The more people that speak, the more people that will hear! I use to never speak up or comment on how I felt about anything because people would make me feel bad, but I don't anymore, instead I am hoping that by speaking up and sharing my experiences with others that maybe it will help someone someday. Maybe it will be before they lose five years of their life …..I can only hope…... Laurie

Abbey Publications <abbeypub@...> wrote: >Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:53:53 -0600>" " <biotechhealth@...>>From: Abbey Publications <abbeypub@...>>Subject: The reception you have received on this list>Cc:>Bcc:>X-Attachments:>> - I too have been taking products that build up the immune system,>and am enjoying the result, especially the absence of the nearly-disabling>chronic fatigue I had. I haven't used anything for this purpose that was>marketed by a major pharmaceutical company, and I don't care whether the>products I use are FDA approved or not. The product that has made the>most difference for me was recommended in the newsletter of the Chronic>Fatigue Syndrome & Fibromyalgia Support Group of Dallas-Fort Worth. That>article was by Dr. Cheney, who has been doing pioneering work on>chronic fatigue syndrome since the 1980s, and who has achieved remarkable>success with many of his patients. I also take dozens of pills that I get>from Whole Foods. I research them all, checking against current medical>research reported in respected journals.>>The last thing I would do if I were very sick is to rely on what the major>pharmaceutical companies advise their customers to do. They are often>very irresponsible. I see reports of what they are doing, and follow the>research on new and established treatments because I regularly read>Scientific American, Science News, Consumer Reports, the London Economist,>and the s Hopkins Medical Letter: Health After 50. I am surprised>that Joe Klein and Gil Vice both asked you, rhetorically, to confirm that>your product was made by a major pharmaceutical company.>>I don't think either Joe Klein or Gil Vice were helpful, or considerate,>to others on the list because rudeness and hostility affects everyone who>reads or hears it. I think I'll take a vacation from this list for a>while. If you want to get in touch with me, you can either ask for sample>copies of the Abbey Newsletter or the Mold Reporter by e-mail, or call me>by phone: 512/929-3992.>>Ellen McCrady>>>Abbey Publications, Inc.7105 Geneva Dr.Austin, TX 78723Ph: 512/929-3992Fax: 512/929-3995New e-mail: abbeypub@...FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

Dear Laurie and ,

Thank you both so much for your stance on

Bio-products.

So many people don't have a clue that there is

alternative help out there. We at NTMC endorse many

physicians who are M.D. and N.D.'s , for more and more

we are seeing the lean toward both professions working

together. I think it is exciting when people put aside

their difference to work together for the good of all

concerned. Life is too short to fuss and argue, and

some suffer or die in the process needlessly.

My dream was to be a physician in my younger days.

The money was not there so I opted for nursing and

Paramedics. Still I was not totally happy until I

began study to be an N.D. and continued to investigate

the correlation of man made products with there

natural

counterparts. Once you sustain the molecular damage

that my family did from the double exposure of c.o.

carbon monoxide and stacybotrus, and you fight to just

stay alive, then you know that only natural products

can give life. The others can treat symptoms.

My children like to call it the " Secret Garden. "

NTMC

www.geocities.com/marbme12/NTMC.html

--- Laurie Montgomery <lauriesspace@...> wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have only been with this group a short time and I

> don’t feel that anyone should judge the group by two

> responses received, I have learned allot and I have

> obtained a lot of information that has benefited me.

> I didn't always like everything I heard, nor did I

> always get the response I wanted and once or twice I

> may not have gotten any response.

>

> I do agree with Ellen (Abby Publications) about the

> reception you received from Joe and Gil, but don't

> judge the group by just those two. The whole ideal

> is to get the information to people, a majority of

> it you don't need or want, but they make it all

> available for you. You have to sift through

> it...and the 10 % you do get helps a lot believe me.

>

>

> I happen to have used a BIO product also for over

> three months and would continue to be using it and

> promoting it had I not ran out of money. I felt

> much better and my immunities were getting stronger.

> I would not have cared whether they were FDA

> approved or not, I have been under a doctors care

> for over 7 years and I have taken all the FDA

> approved medicine I care to take (at one point I was

> taking 16 different pills or medicines daily).

> None of it helped much except predizone and we all

> know how much damage that does to your system, don’t

> we and guess what its FDA approved. If it works

> for you, then that is awesome, if they are sick and

> don't want to try it then that's their choice.

>

> I have never ever been one to push my views or

> criticize someone on their bad habits, it’s sort of

> like the government making pot smoking (I don't

> smoke it) illegal again. WHY? What's the big

> deal? We have people out there that are dying and

> smoking pot is the only thing that gives them a

> little bit of comfort in this world (no FDA approved

> medicines help). Yet the government wants to take

> it away! How many dying people are there out in the

> world, that have harmed someone or been very

> destructive because they smoke pot? So that tells

> me allot about what the government approves or

> doesn't approve, it also tells me allot about what

> facts they use to make their decisions. Take

> cigarettes and alcohol, both are legal, are they

> harmful to anyone? Are they not harmful to anyone?

> Who decides?

>

> People can be mean and cruel, sometimes doing as

> much damage if not more than a disease. But allot

> of times they don't realize how much of an effect

> they can have on people, by what they say. But

> it’s their opinion not ours and we have to learn to

> not let other peoples opinions get to us, because

> they are entitled to their own opinion as we are.

> So whether or not someone dislikes what you have to

> say, it’s your opinion and don't ever quit voicing

> it, some where someone will benefit. The more people

> that speak, the more people that will hear! I use

> to never speak up or comment on how I felt about

> anything because people would make me feel bad, but

> I don't anymore, instead I am hoping that by

> speaking up and sharing my experiences with others

> that maybe it will help someone someday. Maybe it

> will be before they lose five years of their life

> …..I can only hope…... Laurie

>

> Abbey Publications <abbeypub@...> wrote:

> >Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:53:53 -0600

> > " " <biotechhealth@...>

> >From: Abbey Publications <abbeypub@...>

> >Subject: The reception you have received on this

> list

> >Cc:

> >Bcc:

> >X-Attachments:

> >

> > - I too have been taking products that build

> up the immune system,

> >and am enjoying the result, especially the absence

> of the nearly-disabling

> >chronic fatigue I had. I haven't used anything

> for this purpose that was

> >marketed by a major pharmaceutical company, and I

> don't care whether the

> >products I use are FDA approved or not. The

> product that has made the

> >most difference for me was recommended in the

> newsletter of the Chronic

> >Fatigue Syndrome & Fibromyalgia Support Group of

> Dallas-Fort Worth. That

> >article was by Dr. Cheney, who has been doing

> pioneering work on

> >chronic fatigue syndrome since the 1980s, and who

> has achieved remarkable

> >success with many of his patients. I also take

> dozens of pills that I get

> >from Whole Foods. I research them all, checking

> against current medical

> >research reported in respected journals.

> >

> >The last thing I would do if I were very sick is to

> rely on what the major

> >pharmaceutical companies advise their customers to

> do. They are often

> >very irresponsible. I see reports of what they are

> doing, and follow the

> >research on new and established treatments because

> I regularly read

> >Scientific American, Science News, Consumer

> Reports, the London Economist,

> >and the s Hopkins Medical Letter: Health After

> 50. I am surprised

> >that Joe Klein and Gil Vice both asked you,

> rhetorically, to confirm that

> >your product was made by a major pharmaceutical

> company.

> >

> >I don't think either Joe Klein or Gil Vice were

> helpful, or considerate,

> >to others on the list because rudeness and

> hostility affects everyone who

> >reads or hears it. I think I'll take a vacation

> from this list for a

> >while. If you want to get in touch with me, you

> can either ask for sample

> >copies of the Abbey Newsletter or the Mold Reporter

> by e-mail, or call me

> >by phone: 512/929-3992.

> >

> >Ellen McCrady

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Abbey Publications, Inc.

> 7105 Geneva Dr.

> Austin, TX 78723

> Ph: 512/929-3992

> Fax: 512/929-3995

> New e-mail: abbeypub@...

>

>

>

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