Montessori

August 15, 2000

In a message dated 8/15/00 5:11:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

smilinggail@... writes:

<< Ya know what it is a,....EXPENSIVE!!!!!! Ours here is not good with

handicapped kids though. I don't know about any others.

Gail

>>

LOL Gail......yeah.....I did forget the minor detail <gulp> it is

expensive. The only fortunate thing around here was that they were very

good with kids with special needs. Besides my son who is autistic AS, they

also had another child with autism in Kindergarten and both did great!

1/4 of our school had kids with ADD, mild learning disabilities, one child

who was deaf. It was a shame they only went up to third grade.

Lupi ( Lupi2Basil@... ), husband-Steve parents of:

Amy-24 (Ds-ASD), ( -17 (AS), Chris-22 (LD)

August 16, 2000

Our Montessori school (in my home town) was a kindergarten and preschool. It

was the only school that I could get to take , since at that time I was a

single parent, and needed care before and after his half day at the EI. After

attending for a year and a half, I got an anonymous phone call that they were

physically abusing my child, who was at that time nonverbal. I won't go into

all that, I've done it before. But I know this was a rare case, so I don't want

to scare you.

It's early hear, so I'll use that as an excuse.

Loriann

August 16, 2000

In a message dated 8/16/00 12:34:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Lupi2Basil@... writes:

<< LOL Gail......yeah.....I did forget the minor detail <gulp> it is

expensive. The only fortunate thing around here was that they were very

good with kids with special needs. Besides my son who is autistic AS,

they

also had another child with autism in Kindergarten and both did great!

1/4 of our school had kids with ADD, mild learning disabilities, one child

who was deaf. It was a shame they only went up to third grade.

>>

Lupi,

that's great that the school was so good with disabled kids. The one here,

if I'm not mistaken, goes to 6th grade. Even a child with minor problems

can't cut it. They are not equipped here for any " special " problems. It's

too bad because Seth's therapist has gone in and tried to work with a couple

of kids, but said it wasn't going to work out for them. Not an option here

for Seth. But it is great with " normal " kids!

Gail

August 16, 2000

> Even a child with minor

> problems

> can't cut it. They are not equipped here for any " special "

> problems. It's

> too bad because Seth's therapist has gone in and tried to work with

> a couple

> of kids, but said it wasn't going to work out for them. Not an

> option here

> for Seth. But it is great with " normal " kids!

> Gail

>

> -

Gail,

I thought Montessori schools were originally designed for handicapped

kids. If I am not mistaken, Montessori, took a group of " mentally

challenged " kids and tried her methods and observed and revised, then

said " look, it worked with these kids " . Of course in those days, no one

thought to educate our children. Everyone knew they coudlnt' learn. The

montessori school in Cincinnati (well there are a number of them, I am

vaguely familiar with 1) did take kids with special needs. I called them

for Matt when he was 5 or 6. They were somewhat rude to me, explaining

that they could only take so many of " those children " (what children?

Ones with blonde hair, blue eyes, and involved parents?) and they already

had their " quota " . I didnt' want it for Matt after that, but I did hear

wonderful reviews for it.

S

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August 16, 2000

In a message dated 8/16/00 9:39:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

stolzfamily@... writes:

<< They were somewhat rude to me, explaining

that they could only take so many of " those children " (what children?

Ones with blonde hair, blue eyes, and involved parents?) and they already

had their " quota " . I didnt' want it for Matt after that, but I did hear

wonderful reviews for it.

S >>

,

Blonde, blue eyed kids with involved parents! LOL I will have to remember

that one! LOL

I know it's only the very rich in this area that send their kids of

Montessori. One of the other mothers at gymnastics just told me she wanted

to take her kid to Iran for their New Year, but had already paid the

$5,000.00 tuition and her child would be kicked out if they missed that much

school. They have accepted some special ed kids (slight disability) but as

far as I have heard, which was last August, they were not going to be able to

stay there. The school may have been founded on those principles, but ours

does not follow them. A friends daughter, who has ADD, got no special help

or attention at Montessori and they had to put her in the Catholic school

system here, where she turned out to be an honor student. Another friends

daughter never learned to read at Montessori, so when she was 9 years old

they put her in public school, and she learned to read in one year with the

help of the resource room. Seth's old therapist said the child she worked

with was not severe and his mother had to fight to get him help, but it still

didn't work out for them. I would have to surmise that with just the handful

of people that I know that had dealings with them, they did not show that

they are capable, or even willing, to handle any special needs. It's sad to

think that it was founded on such wonderful principles, and like most things,

gets caught up with money and statistics.

Gail

August 16, 2000

In a message dated 8/16/00 12:52:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

smilinggail@... writes:

<< I would have to surmise that with just the handful

of people that I know that had dealings with them, they did not show that

they are capable, or even willing, to handle any special needs. It's sad to

think that it was founded on such wonderful principles, and like most

things,

gets caught up with money and statistics.

Gail >>

wow......that is sad indeed and it's terrible to hear because like you said,

Dr. Montessori set this system up with wonderful principles and

originally it was to help the under-achievers and kids with special needs.

I guess we were just fortunate to find a good one around here.

Lupi ( Lupi2Basil@... ), husband-Steve parents of:

Amy-24 (Ds-ASD), ( -17 (AS), Chris-22 (LD)

August 16, 2000

,

It pushes THOSE buttons when people say " Those Children " . I know how you

must have felt and I don't think I would have been as nice as you. We had

's last teacher in the school I pulled him from refer to as " Those

kinds of kid " in a room full of people, and when I called her on it everyone

denied her ever using that phrase. It's funny how THOSE bells go off when

you hear THOSE words. We're the only ones who are sensative to them, because

as you see, it goes over their heads.

August 16, 2000

In a message dated 8/16/00 4:08:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Lupi2Basil@... writes:

<< I guess we were just fortunate to find a good one around here.

>>

Lupi,

I think it is more like...we were unfortunate to not find a good one around

here! LOL I'm very glad they are not all like this one. I think it is more

of a reflection of the community myself. Most people here do not want

special needs kids in a class with their kids. Like I have said before,

inclusion has been pushed on everyone here so much most of the community is

against it. Ours has an excellent reputation for " normal " kids though.

Gail

August 16, 2000

In a message dated 8/16/00 3:08:29 PM Central Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< ,

Blonde, blue eyed kids with involved parents! LOL I will have to remember

that one! LOL

I know it's only the very rich in this area that send their kids of

Montessori. One of the other mothers at gymnastics just told me she wanted

to take her kid to Iran for their New Year, but had already paid the

$5,000.00 tuition and her child would be kicked out if they missed that much

school. They have accepted some special ed kids (slight disability) but as

far as I have heard, which was last August, they were not going to be able

to

stay there. The school may have been founded on those principles, but ours

does not follow them. A friends daughter, who has ADD, got no special help

or attention at Montessori and they had to put her in the Catholic school

system here, where she turned out to be an honor student. Another friends

daughter never learned to read at Montessori, so when she was 9 years old

they put her in public school, and she learned to read in one year with the

help of the resource room. Seth's old therapist said the child she worked

with was not severe and his mother had to fight to get him help, but it

still

didn't work out for them. I would have to surmise that with just the handful

of people that I know that had dealings with them, they did not show that

they are capable, or even willing, to handle any special needs. It's sad to

think that it was founded on such wonderful principles, and like most

things,

gets caught up with money and statistics.

Gail

>>

I have also heard some great things about some Montessory schools but the one

hear is a preschool and kindergarten and they told my sister that my four

year old nephew should be tested for ADD. The next year in kindergarten

(public school) he was being tested for the gifted and talented program and

is doing splendidly in it. I guess someone really goofed that one.

Karyn

August 18, 2000

Gail, Montessori is the same here in Atlanta. They want nothing to do with

special needs kids and say it is against the schools policy to accept any

child who is not completely potty trained. By the way, how long have you

been in Elmira? My fathers entire family is from there originally and still

have a good number of relatives, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. there.

Andy-

Re: Re: Montessori

> In a message dated 8/16/00 12:34:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> Lupi2Basil@... writes:

>

> << LOL Gail......yeah.....I did forget the minor detail <gulp> it is

> expensive. The only fortunate thing around here was that they were

very

> good with kids with special needs. Besides my son who is autistic AS,

> they

> also had another child with autism in Kindergarten and both did great!

> 1/4 of our school had kids with ADD, mild learning disabilities, one

child

> who was deaf. It was a shame they only went up to third grade.

> >>

> Lupi,

> that's great that the school was so good with disabled kids. The one

here,

> if I'm not mistaken, goes to 6th grade. Even a child with minor problems

> can't cut it. They are not equipped here for any " special " problems. It's

> too bad because Seth's therapist has gone in and tried to work with a

couple

> of kids, but said it wasn't going to work out for them. Not an option here

> for Seth. But it is great with " normal " kids!

> Gail

>

August 19, 2000

In a message dated 8/18/00 11:36:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ase@...

writes:

<< Gail, Montessori is the same here in Atlanta. They want nothing to do with

special needs kids and say it is against the schools policy to accept any

child who is not completely potty trained. By the way, how long have you

been in Elmira? My fathers entire family is from there originally and still

have a good number of relatives, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. there.

Andy- >>

Andy,

I've been here my whole life. Actually, just took a trolley tour of this

city and was amazed at what I learned. Came away feeling very proud of being

an Elmiran for the first time in my life! LOL What family do you have left

here Andy? Most of my family here are 's and Freeman's.

Gail

August 19, 2000

Hey Andy,

Are you any relation to Max Etkind, the lawyer?

Gail

August 21, 2000

Hey Andy,

I know Abe Golas, the lawyer, and Max Etkind. Abe was our family lawyer for

years and my sister used to work for him. Nice, nice man. Any relation to

you?

Gail

August 21, 2000

My family consists of the Etkind's, Friedman's, Golas', etc. all of Elmira.

They have been there forever as far as I know. Do you know any of them?

Re: Re: Montessori

> In a message dated 8/18/00 11:36:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ase@...

> writes:

>

> << Gail, Montessori is the same here in Atlanta. They want nothing to do

with

> special needs kids and say it is against the schools policy to accept any

> child who is not completely potty trained. By the way, how long have you

> been in Elmira? My fathers entire family is from there originally and

still

> have a good number of relatives, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. there.

>

> Andy- >>

>

> Andy,

> I've been here my whole life. Actually, just took a trolley tour of this

> city and was amazed at what I learned. Came away feeling very proud of

being

> an Elmiran for the first time in my life! LOL What family do you have

left

> here Andy? Most of my family here are 's and Freeman's.

> Gail

>

August 21, 2000

Yes, Max is a very close relative. You know him,?

Re: Re: Montessori

> Hey Andy,

> Are you any relation to Max Etkind, the lawyer?

> Gail

>

April 26, 2007

Laurie, we tried private Christian school at one point, but found it

was as bad if not worse than some of the stuff going on at public

schools, as far as kids misbehaving and bullying. We eventually opted

for homeschooling. But, I'm sure it would be a school by school

basis. I hope the school you are looking at will work out for you.

BJ

>

> Have any of you had experience with your kids in Montessori

programs? I'm investigating all different options for Beth's

education. I visited a middle school that has a Montessori program,

and the smaller class looks ideal for my daughter. It is also

informal, and I think she would feel more comfortable asking

questions. Working with other kids that don't bully her would be good

too. There are kids with ADHD, Aspergers, gifted, learning diabled.

It didn't look like she would stand out at all.

>

> I am worried about the lack of structure, though, in getting her

work done and keeping up. Again, though, that might not be an issue

in a smaller class. Her attention might not drift as much.

>

> Laurie

>

> ---------------------------------

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> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

April 26, 2007

I haven't made my decision and am still looking at home schooling. The

montessori class has about 20 7th and 8th graders in one room. Also two

teachers. I was thinking the smaller classes may stop the bullying. Teachers

say there is no problem there. Several Aspergers kids in there.

Laurie

islove <BJClosner@...> wrote:

Laurie, we tried private Christian school at one point, but found it

was as bad if not worse than some of the stuff going on at public

schools, as far as kids misbehaving and bullying. We eventually opted

for homeschooling. But, I'm sure it would be a school by school

basis. I hope the school you are looking at will work out for you.

BJ

>

> Have any of you had experience with your kids in Montessori

programs? I'm investigating all different options for Beth's

education. I visited a middle school that has a Montessori program,

and the smaller class looks ideal for my daughter. It is also

informal, and I think she would feel more comfortable asking

questions. Working with other kids that don't bully her would be good

too. There are kids with ADHD, Aspergers, gifted, learning diabled.

It didn't look like she would stand out at all.

>

> I am worried about the lack of structure, though, in getting her

work done and keeping up. Again, though, that might not be an issue

in a smaller class. Her attention might not drift as much.

>

> Laurie

>

> ---------------------------------

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

April 26, 2007

If it doesn't embarrass your daughter could you go observe the class,

if they will allow it, Laurie. The private school Josh went to also

said there was no problems, yet they had a few kids who were

completely out of control. One was bullying kids on the playground

and wouldn't let other kids play on the equipment unless they gave him

Pokemon cards. (This was when Josh was in first grade) This kid was

a year older than the rest of the kids so quite a bit bigger and the

rest of the boys were intimidated by him. I watched him walk into the

class one day and he hit, tripped, shoved and mauled every other kid

in the classroom and the teacher did nothing about it. It wasn't as

if the other kids were participating either, they were complaining

loudly of what he was doing, screaming " stop it " . She just tuned it

out. There was also a girl who was always slapping, biting, and

kicking the other kids, for no apparent reason. We found that people

put their children in private school because they were too disruptive

at public school.

Like I said though, I'm sure not all private schools are that way.

That was just our experience. Since it was not what we had hoped it

would be and it was so expensive, we only went there one year.

I hope you find a good alternative for your daughter, because the

stuff going on at her current school is not good.

Hugs,

BJ

> >

> > Have any of you had experience with your kids in Montessori

> programs? I'm investigating all different options for Beth's

> education. I visited a middle school that has a Montessori program,

> and the smaller class looks ideal for my daughter. It is also

> informal, and I think she would feel more comfortable asking

> questions. Working with other kids that don't bully her would be good

> too. There are kids with ADHD, Aspergers, gifted, learning diabled.

> It didn't look like she would stand out at all.

> >

> > I am worried about the lack of structure, though, in getting her

> work done and keeping up. Again, though, that might not be an issue

> in a smaller class. Her attention might not drift as much.

> >

> > Laurie

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > Check outnew cars at Autos.

> >

April 27, 2007

I think we are going to observe it, and another school too. I'm still thinking

home schooling is my best option. I need to check the other stuff out, though.

Laurie

svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: