Needing help

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

The text of your letter was fine, no capital letters and plus signs and

numbers, until the end after you signed and among the little sayings you put

on the post. . . maybe it has to do with the sayings that are posted. Are

these written out and then added to the letter? I don't know, I am not very

computer literate, just suggesting. . . .

Trudy

[Guest guest]

Debby The next line after you signed the Hogan Clan was letters and

plus marks and the third line from the bottotmm was that way also. Hope

Mandy is still improving. Will be in Lubbock this weekend for LPA Dist

mtg and then to Ariz for a week to see the kids. Hugs to you all Super

Elf

Hoggan Clan wrote:

>

> From: " Hoggan Clan " <banock@...>

>

> We are having difficulties with our email, and hoepfully can get things

> straightened out. First, how is this reading to everyone? Some are saying

> there are 'characters and numbers,' while others are telling us there is

> nothing wrong. Would you please let us know. We are trying not to post

> much until we have this straightened out. If there is anyone that could

> suggest anything, please feel free too. All our settings are set at plain

> text and not HTML.

> Thanks you, The Hoggan Clan

> +AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4Afg-

> +ACI-Happiness does lie in every corner,

> and you don't even have to turn over

> a stone or new leaf to find it waiting+ACI-

> +AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4AfgB+AH4Afg-

> A great new list has grown over the months, and we would like to invite you

> to come and see it,

> /subscribe/CFS-Fibro-Autoimmune . WELCOME+ACE-

> +AFs-CFS-Fibro-Autoimmune+AF0- NEW REPORT TODAY

>

> +AD4- From: +ACI-Anne Shea+ACI- +ADw-ashea+AEA-together.net+AD4-

> +AD4-

> +AD4- Thanks all for your prayers I understands all too well how your

> +AD4- body can hide things even from yourself after a while that is how

> +AD4- we survive by learning to ignore it shut it off and go on with

> +AD4- living. Unfortunately that gets dangerous to us. Had a phone call

> +AD4- from a Neurologist in Rutland today. He had all my records faxed

> +AD4- to him and also wants the blood work I just had done to see if my

> +AD4- body is missing anything essential so far they have six things it

> +AD4- is missing haven't received them all back yet. He said from the

> +AD4- test

> +AD4- results he has he is certain beyond any doubt that I suffer from

> +AD4- approximately six neuromuscular diseases as well as the autoimmune

> +AD4- diseases all directly related back to the abuse. He wants me to

> +AD4- come see him and see if he can make the quality of my life better

> +AD4- for me. This I will have to pray about not sure I should mess

> +AD4- with anything. My body has done a great job taking care of me

> +AD4- with the Lord doing the caring.

> +AD4-

> +AD4- He did have a sense of humor though as he said this was the first

> +AD4- time he had talked with a dead person as all my body has been

> +AD4- through I should be long dead then he chuckled and apologized. I

> +AD4- said I am not offended I find it all amusing as well as you all

> +AD4- keep waiting for me to die and I just keep on keeping on but I

> +AD4- said I don't know what your beliefs are but I am here because of

> +AD4- the love and grace of my LORD he agreed. He is a believer turns

> +AD4- out and acknowleges the power of faith.

> +AD4-

> +AD4- HAVE A GREAT NIGHT FOLKS. I'LL BE JUST FINE LEAVE IT WITH THE LORD

> +AD4- AND GO ABOUT MY LIFE WITH HIS LEADING.

> +AD4-

> +AD4- ANNE IN VERMONT

> +AD4-

> +AD4- +AD4- YEAH+ACE- Today I found new friends who 'really' understands and

cares. . .

> +AD4-

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ummm, now if I am reading this the way I see it from 'your' email you sent,

the 'only' numbers appear with the 'tilde' used just to the left of the

'one' on the top keys. Otherwise, what you sent for my email on the top

looked fine. Is that how you see it?

Wuvs, Debi

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

" Happiness does lie in every corner,

and you don't even have to turn over

a stone or new leaf to find it waiting "

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A great new list has grown over the months, and we would like to invite you

to come and see it,

/subscribe/CFS-Fibro-Autoimmune . WELCOME!

+AFs-CFS-Fibro-Autoimmune+AF0- NEW REPORT TODAY

>

>

> +AD4- From: +ACI-Anne Shea+ACI- +ADw-ashea+AEA-together.net+AD4-

> +AD4-

> +AD4- Thanks all for your prayers I understands all too well how your

> +AD4- body can hide things even from yourself after a while that is how

> +AD4- we survive by learning to ignore it shut it off and go on with

> +AD4- living. Unfortunately that gets dangerous to us. Had a phone call

> +AD4- from a Neurologist in Rutland today. He had all my records faxed

> +AD4- to him and also wants the blood work I just had done to see if my

> +AD4- body is missing anything essential so far they have six things it

> +AD4- is missing haven't received them all back yet. He said from the

> +AD4- test

> +AD4- results he has he is certain beyond any doubt that I suffer from

> +AD4- approximately six neuromuscular diseases as well as the autoimmune

> +AD4- diseases all directly related back to the abuse. He wants me to

> +AD4- come see him and see if he can make the quality of my life better

> +AD4- for me. This I will have to pray about not sure I should mess

> +AD4- with anything. My body has done a great job taking care of me

> +AD4- with the Lord doing the caring.

> +AD4-

> +AD4- He did have a sense of humor though as he said this was the first

> +AD4- time he had talked with a dead person as all my body has been

> +AD4- through I should be long dead then he chuckled and apologized. I

> +AD4- said I am not offended I find it all amusing as well as you all

> +AD4- keep waiting for me to die and I just keep on keeping on but I

> +AD4- said I don't know what your beliefs are but I am here because of

> +AD4- the love and grace of my LORD he agreed. He is a believer turns

> +AD4- out and acknowleges the power of faith.

> +AD4-

> +AD4- HAVE A GREAT NIGHT FOLKS. I'LL BE JUST FINE LEAVE IT WITH THE LORD

> +AD4- AND GO ABOUT MY LIFE WITH HIS LEADING.

> +AD4-

> +AD4- ANNE IN VERMONT

> +AD4-

> +AD4- +AD4- YEAH+ACE- Today I found new friends who 'really' understands

and cares. . .

> +AD4-

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Debi,

Part of your letter was fine and some had letters and numbers in the letter.

The beginning was clear and then it adds letters and numbers in-between your

words

Hope you all are doing fine! How is Mandy and school going??

Keep me intouch, we miss you! is doing somewhat better, all test

results are normal.

take care,

love ya all,

[Guest guest]

I see letters & numerals. Also, Debbie can you send me your email address.

I have tried using the one on the dwarf list serve but it always returns to

me. How is Mandy doing?

Anne Pusateri

St Louis MO

LPA

[Guest guest]

drat, I have tried everything! If I was not privy to the computer would be

one thing, but this is driving me up a wall!!! I have NO idea what to do,

and I should! I have dropped my signature, changed my font, went to

enducode and ANYONE has any suggestions, PLEASE HELP,,, Debi is on her knees

begging this time...

I work off of my computer, and this is driving me and my clients batty, let

alone my dear friends and associates...

Suggestions anyone?

Smiles, Debi Hoggan

Re: Needing help

> Debi,

>

> That ghost is still at it!!!! Lots of funny letters, numbers and plus

signs

> . . . hhmmm,

> suppose it has anything to do with the evil Y2K . . . ? LOL

>

> Trudy

>

[Guest guest]

no funny letters or numbers this time

Amy

Re: Needing help

>From: " Hoggan Clan " <banock@...>

>

>drat, I have tried everything! If I was not privy to the computer would be

>one thing, but this is driving me up a wall!!! I have NO idea what to do,

>and I should! I have dropped my signature, changed my font, went to

>enducode and ANYONE has any suggestions, PLEASE HELP,,, Debi is on her

knees

>begging this time...

>I work off of my computer, and this is driving me and my clients batty, let

>alone my dear friends and associates...

>Suggestions anyone?

>Smiles, Debi Hoggan

> Re: Needing help

>

>

>> Debi,

>>

>> That ghost is still at it!!!! Lots of funny letters, numbers and plus

>signs

>> . . . hhmmm,

>> suppose it has anything to do with the evil Y2K . . . ? LOL

>>

>> Trudy

>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I have been a member for some time but haven't been active.

I apologize in advance as this post is very long.

My husband and I have both tested positive for HIV about 5 years ago. The ID

doctor, who I shall refer to as Dr.Death told my not sick husband that he

would be dead by September as he had full blown AIDS.

We do not believe in HIV=AIDS+ Death and neither of us have taken the anti

retroviral drugs. Two years ago after a fall in the winter where my husband was

knocked unconscious and actually covered with snow for several hours he came

down with PCP pneumonia. We were scared to hospitalize him but finally did and

then he only accepted treatment for the pneumonia. He was released after a

week and came home weak and on O2 but with the help of our spiritual practices

and our natropath he got off the O2 and went back to work.

To make a long story short he worked for a few months and came down with

panic attacks and some memory problems which the psychiatrist attributed to the

drugs he was given when hospitalized...he put him on some antidepressants and my

husband took them for a time then stopped.

Up until a few months ago he was doing well and was ready to go back to work

then he started having swelling on his toes and ankles which they diagnosed as

arthritis. They started him on arthrotec then recently because it wasn't

working he was having pain in his neck and shoulders his doctor switched him to

Bextra....Big Mistake!!!! He has had all of the rare side effects form the drug

and took it for 19 days before I began to search the Net for side effects and

found out that if you are allergic to sulfur drugs you should Never take

Bextra!!!

Here is our problem....He had gotten canker sores from a broken filling

cutting his lip and wasn't eating and drinking because of the pain...in comes

Bextra and further stops the healing of the canker sores and makes him lose his

appetite and have dementia like confusion. He developed a couggh and then

started

getting progressively weaker till he couldn't stand which is the point where

I had him hospitalized.

He only received two intravenous antibiotics...Zitromax and

rocethin...(sp),,,and then only fluids to hydrate him.

He was in for 1 week he is home and now the doctors say he is end stage and

that he has AIDS wasting and dementia and that he willn't live more than a few

weeks to a year. His CD4 count is 0 and his viral load is over 100,000...and

yes I know they tests are full of shit...just added the details so you would

know where we are.

I am trying to build up his body weight... (from 116 he is 5'11 inches) ...

with goat's milk kefir made into shakes with whey protein, blueberries and

ground flax and honey, he takes AG-Immune 2 cap twice a day and a Chinese herbal

formula called Seven Forests Composition A 2 caps 2x's a day.

I am taking a family medical leave to make sure he is eating all his meals

and at this point he isn't able to walk or do anything without help.

His legs have swollen, they were fine before he was in the hospital and they

are hot to touch but he says they don't hurt and he doesn't flinch when I

touch them. He is very confused still as I am.

He had a chest X-ray and he doesn't have pneumonia. His doctors do not want

to help with anything alternative they don't even want to treat any illnesses

he may get if we don't agree to the drug therapy.

I still don't believe in what his ID doctors are saying but I am at a loss to

explain what has happened to make him so ill and unable to do for himself.

Has anyone else been through this or have any ides????

Namaste,

Mujadillah

[Guest guest]

Two Ideas:

Juice Fast: 1 Full Gallon per day

LifeStar http://www.aidsremission.com/ CD4 restoration protocol 25% per

month with an AIDS remission in 10 Days for ART naive individuals.

Kev

Re: needing help

> Hello everyone,

> I have been a member for some time but haven't been active.

> I apologize in advance as this post is very long.

>

> My husband and I have both tested positive for HIV about 5 years ago. The

ID

> doctor, who I shall refer to as Dr.Death told my not sick husband that he

> would be dead by September as he had full blown AIDS.

> We do not believe in HIV=AIDS+ Death and neither of us have taken the anti

> retroviral drugs. Two years ago after a fall in the winter where my

husband was

> knocked unconscious and actually covered with snow for several hours he

came

> down with PCP pneumonia. We were scared to hospitalize him but finally did

and

> then he only accepted treatment for the pneumonia. He was released after a

> week and came home weak and on O2 but with the help of our spiritual

practices

> and our natropath he got off the O2 and went back to work.

> To make a long story short he worked for a few months and came down with

> panic attacks and some memory problems which the psychiatrist attributed

to the

> drugs he was given when hospitalized...he put him on some antidepressants

and my

> husband took them for a time then stopped.

> Up until a few months ago he was doing well and was ready to go back to

work

> then he started having swelling on his toes and ankles which they

diagnosed as

> arthritis. They started him on arthrotec then recently because it wasn't

> working he was having pain in his neck and shoulders his doctor switched

him to

> Bextra....Big Mistake!!!! He has had all of the rare side effects form the

drug

> and took it for 19 days before I began to search the Net for side effects

and

> found out that if you are allergic to sulfur drugs you should Never take

> Bextra!!!

> Here is our problem....He had gotten canker sores from a broken filling

> cutting his lip and wasn't eating and drinking because of the pain...in

comes

> Bextra and further stops the healing of the canker sores and makes him

lose his

> appetite and have dementia like confusion. He developed a couggh and then

started

> getting progressively weaker till he couldn't stand which is the point

where

> I had him hospitalized.

> He only received two intravenous antibiotics...Zitromax and

> rocethin...(sp),,,and then only fluids to hydrate him.

> He was in for 1 week he is home and now the doctors say he is end stage

and

> that he has AIDS wasting and dementia and that he willn't live more than a

few

> weeks to a year. His CD4 count is 0 and his viral load is over

100,000...and

> yes I know they tests are full of shit...just added the details so you

would

> know where we are.

>

> I am trying to build up his body weight... (from 116 he is 5'11 inches)

....

> with goat's milk kefir made into shakes with whey protein, blueberries and

> ground flax and honey, he takes AG-Immune 2 cap twice a day and a Chinese

herbal

> formula called Seven Forests Composition A 2 caps 2x's a day.

>

> I am taking a family medical leave to make sure he is eating all his meals

> and at this point he isn't able to walk or do anything without help.

>

> His legs have swollen, they were fine before he was in the hospital and

they

> are hot to touch but he says they don't hurt and he doesn't flinch when I

> touch them. He is very confused still as I am.

> He had a chest X-ray and he doesn't have pneumonia. His doctors do not

want

> to help with anything alternative they don't even want to treat any

illnesses

> he may get if we don't agree to the drug therapy.

>

> I still don't believe in what his ID doctors are saying but I am at a loss

to

> explain what has happened to make him so ill and unable to do for himself.

> Has anyone else been through this or have any ides????

>

> Namaste,

> Mujadillah

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 22:40:28 EST

> From: HerbalMomma@...

>Subject: Re: needing help

>

>Hello everyone,

>I have been a member for some time but haven't been active.

>I apologize in advance as this post is very long.

>

>My husband and I have both tested positive for HIV about 5 years ago. The ID

>doctor, who I shall refer to as Dr.Death told my not sick husband that he

>would be dead by September as he had full blown AIDS.

>We do not believe in HIV=AIDS+ Death and neither of us have taken the anti

>retroviral drugs. Two years ago after a fall in the winter where my husband was

>knocked unconscious and actually covered with snow for several hours he came

>down with PCP pneumonia. We were scared to hospitalize him but finally did and

>then he only accepted treatment for the pneumonia. He was released after a

>week and came home weak and on O2 but with the help of our spiritual practices

>and our natropath he got off the O2 and went back to work.

>To make a long story short he worked for a few months and came down with

>panic attacks and some memory problems which the psychiatrist attributed to the

>drugs he was given when hospitalized...he put him on some antidepressants and

my

>husband took them for a time then stopped.

>Up until a few months ago he was doing well and was ready to go back to work

>then he started having swelling on his toes and ankles which they diagnosed as

>arthritis. They started him on arthrotec then recently because it wasn't

>working he was having pain in his neck and shoulders his doctor switched him to

>Bextra....Big Mistake!!!! He has had all of the rare side effects form the drug

>and took it for 19 days before I began to search the Net for side effects and

>found out that if you are allergic to sulfur drugs you should Never take

>Bextra!!!

>Here is our problem....He had gotten canker sores from a broken filling

>cutting his lip and wasn't eating and drinking because of the pain...in comes

>Bextra and further stops the healing of the canker sores and makes him lose his

>appetite and have dementia like confusion. He developed a couggh and then

started

>getting progressively weaker till he couldn't stand which is the point where

>I had him hospitalized.

>He only received two intravenous antibiotics...Zitromax and

>rocethin...(sp),,,and then only fluids to hydrate him.

>He was in for 1 week he is home and now the doctors say he is end stage and

>that he has AIDS wasting and dementia and that he willn't live more than a few

>weeks to a year. His CD4 count is 0 and his viral load is over 100,000...and

>yes I know they tests are full of shit...just added the details so you would

>know where we are.

>

>I am trying to build up his body weight... (from 116 he is 5'11 inches) ...

>with goat's milk kefir made into shakes with whey protein, blueberries and

>ground flax and honey, he takes AG-Immune 2 cap twice a day and a Chinese

herbal

>formula called Seven Forests Composition A 2 caps 2x's a day.

>

>I am taking a family medical leave to make sure he is eating all his meals

>and at this point he isn't able to walk or do anything without help.

>

>His legs have swollen, they were fine before he was in the hospital and they

>are hot to touch but he says they don't hurt and he doesn't flinch when I

>touch them. He is very confused still as I am.

>He had a chest X-ray and he doesn't have pneumonia. His doctors do not want

>to help with anything alternative they don't even want to treat any illnesses

>he may get if we don't agree to the drug therapy.

>

>I still don't believe in what his ID doctors are saying but I am at a loss to

>explain what has happened to make him so ill and unable to do for himself.

>Has anyone else been through this or have any ides????

>

>Namaste,

>Mujadillah

>

" swelling in his toes and ankles which they

diagnosed as arthritis[but]...legs have swollen[too],

they were fine before he was in the hospital and

they are hot to touch but he says they don't hurt and

he doesn't flinch when I touch them "

Maybe the toes, ankles, legs swelling are all

from the same cause, not an inflammatory

condition resembling arthritis. Chemo can

put the liver and kidneys into deficit or

accelerate a problem there.

Is there any pain at kidneys, liver, prostate?

Is urination and solid waste elimination

normal? Swelling could be a physical

plumbing problem like an over-flowing

sink or toilet--once my father almost died

from a prostate blocking his urethra then

bladder swelling up until it blocked his

intestine, so he was constipated and did

not urinate for days, turned yellow, was

about to burst a bladder when a urologist

figured out his prostate was blocking all

of his plumbing. His ordinary doctor

didn't have a guess, never gave a prostate

exam or test routinely as per male age

over forty.

Swelling could mean a kidney problem,

which could trace back to lots of things.

Prescription drugs can hurt liver and

kidneys. If that is it then we would want

to take the load off those organs and to

clean them out, which would mean drink

lots of water, supplement fiber, take

milk thistle to protect liver cells, read

up on liver cleansing and tonics.

Swelling could mean inflammation as the

doctors supposed was arthritis, and in that

case it should respond to MSM, red clover

tea and capsules, ginger, not as a cure but

to offset the cause.

Swelling could mean edema from a chemical

imbalance that caused fluid to flow to the

wrong side of membranes and collect. That

would have some root cause but it could

help to balance electrolytes with as many

fruits and vegetables as possible, juicing

and pure water if possible. Things with

minerals and trace minerals such as kelp

and alfalfa tablets, green leafy vegetables

and brussels sprouts.

Best alkalizer supplement--I take it often

just for minerals and trace minerals--this

relates to depression, anxiety attacks,

confusion, fatigue, immunity, swelling

as far as edema and fluid retention--

http://www.ariseandshine.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Product_Code=AS1\

70 & Category_Code=

Was the filling that cut the lip a metal one?

That would relate to pneumonia and anxiety

and liver and kidney stress because of the

mercury and bacteria released.

If you are so inclined you could try a

two quart enema using a drug store

Fleet kit and see if that basic form of

colon hydro therapy helped the liver

and kidneys to catch up with the fluid

and inflammation.

l-glutamine and a probiotic supplement

l-glutamine is for the intestine wall and

it is also called brain sugar.

-Bob

[Guest guest]

Third Idea:

/

A simple $10 device you build yourself

Fourth Idea:

40 Cloves of raw garlic a day for 30 days

Fifth Idea:

Two Quarts of home made colloidal silver a day for three weeks ....

Sixth Idea:

2 - 4 ounces of Echinacea home tinctured root a day .....

Seventh Idea: The Bob Beck Protocol

Eighth Idea:

Homemade Olive leaf tea from fresh olive tree leaves ....

Ninth Idea:

Lemon Olive Oil Drink Daily

Tenth Idea:

Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Cleanse or some other really good cleanse

Eleventh Idea:

Potent Juniper Berry Tea (decoction) every day.

Twelfth Idea:

An Oxygen Cleanse: Either Oxygen Elements Plus or a food grade hydrogen

peroxide cleanse. (Note this is viral load spiking)

Thirteenth Idea:

Sweat an hour a day. Sauna/Steam

Fourteenth Idea:

Drink a gallon of filtered/purified water a day.

Fifteenth Idea:

Whey to boost glutathione levels

Sixteenth Idea:

Live Cell Grown Selenium

__________________________

Obviously something is needed that is very aggressive and I thought if I

were in this position what would I do? I would double, triple, quadruple,

until I got a remission. Those are just a few of my ideas. Everyone has to

choose their own path.

Love & a more healthy new year

Kev

waronaids.com

Re: needing help

> Hello everyone,

> I have been a member for some time but haven't been active.

> I apologize in advance as this post is very long.

>

> My husband and I have both tested positive for HIV about 5 years ago. The

ID

> doctor, who I shall refer to as Dr.Death told my not sick husband that he

> would be dead by September as he had full blown AIDS.

> We do not believe in HIV=AIDS+ Death and neither of us have taken the anti

> retroviral drugs. Two years ago after a fall in the winter where my

husband was

> knocked unconscious and actually covered with snow for several hours he

came

> down with PCP pneumonia. We were scared to hospitalize him but finally did

and

> then he only accepted treatment for the pneumonia. He was released after a

> week and came home weak and on O2 but with the help of our spiritual

practices

> and our natropath he got off the O2 and went back to work.

> To make a long story short he worked for a few months and came down with

> panic attacks and some memory problems which the psychiatrist attributed

to the

> drugs he was given when hospitalized...he put him on some antidepressants

and my

> husband took them for a time then stopped.

> Up until a few months ago he was doing well and was ready to go back to

work

> then he started having swelling on his toes and ankles which they

diagnosed as

> arthritis. They started him on arthrotec then recently because it wasn't

> working he was having pain in his neck and shoulders his doctor switched

him to

> Bextra....Big Mistake!!!! He has had all of the rare side effects form the

drug

> and took it for 19 days before I began to search the Net for side effects

and

> found out that if you are allergic to sulfur drugs you should Never take

> Bextra!!!

> Here is our problem....He had gotten canker sores from a broken filling

> cutting his lip and wasn't eating and drinking because of the pain...in

comes

> Bextra and further stops the healing of the canker sores and makes him

lose his

> appetite and have dementia like confusion. He developed a couggh and then

started

> getting progressively weaker till he couldn't stand which is the point

where

> I had him hospitalized.

> He only received two intravenous antibiotics...Zitromax and

> rocethin...(sp),,,and then only fluids to hydrate him.

> He was in for 1 week he is home and now the doctors say he is end stage

and

> that he has AIDS wasting and dementia and that he willn't live more than a

few

> weeks to a year. His CD4 count is 0 and his viral load is over

100,000...and

> yes I know they tests are full of shit...just added the details so you

would

> know where we are.

>

> I am trying to build up his body weight... (from 116 he is 5'11 inches)

....

> with goat's milk kefir made into shakes with whey protein, blueberries and

> ground flax and honey, he takes AG-Immune 2 cap twice a day and a Chinese

herbal

> formula called Seven Forests Composition A 2 caps 2x's a day.

>

> I am taking a family medical leave to make sure he is eating all his meals

> and at this point he isn't able to walk or do anything without help.

>

> His legs have swollen, they were fine before he was in the hospital and

they

> are hot to touch but he says they don't hurt and he doesn't flinch when I

> touch them. He is very confused still as I am.

> He had a chest X-ray and he doesn't have pneumonia. His doctors do not

want

> to help with anything alternative they don't even want to treat any

illnesses

> he may get if we don't agree to the drug therapy.

>

> I still don't believe in what his ID doctors are saying but I am at a loss

to

> explain what has happened to make him so ill and unable to do for himself.

> Has anyone else been through this or have any ides????

>

> Namaste,

> Mujadillah

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would agree with those that have recommended juicing. You need a

good juicer such as the Champion or one in the Green Power family

(Green Star, Green Life). If you search around the internet you can

get a good price on these. Dr. Lorraine Day recommends drinking one

glass of freshly made juice every hour in her advice on curing

cancer. You do not need to dissasemble the juicer each time; it's

enough to just flush it with water after use and clean it at the end

of the day. Dr. Schultz also recommends juicing.

If you can find a doctor who will do vitamin IVs, that will be very

helpful, though it probably won't be reimbursed by insurance. When I

was ill, I did one vitamin C IV and another of hydrogen peroxide

every week and the improvement in my health and appearance was

evident in only a few weeks. You can find a complementary doctor

through www.acam.org, though some can be very expensive, so you need

to call and find out what their charges are ahead of time. Not all

doctors who practice complementary medicine charge a fortune. Many

will treat HIV patients with IVs, some use ozone where the blood is

allowed to flow into a bottle and then combined with ozone and

reintroduced back into the vein, adding additional ozone to the

bottle during the IV. Some doctors who practice this are actually

against AIDS drugs.

As someone mentioned, heat (hyperthermia) can be helpful as well. The

cheapest way of doing this is to take a hot bath, adding more hot

water while inside the tub. It's best to have help getting out of the

tub, as dizziness can result. You can find articles about this on the

web. Wrapping up in blankets afterwards with a hot water bottle, a

hot drink, etc. will prolong the effects of the bath.

Hydrogen peroxide swished in the mouth is good for canker sores. And

read up on coffee enemas for detox. I would also recommend

supplementing with zinc and organically-bound selenium such as yeast,

kelp or brocolli-based. Up to 100 mg of elemental zinc is considered

helpful for the immune system. People who are immune depressed can

take 800 mcg of selenium safely. Check out the www.keephope.net site

for more information, they also talk about an olive oil/lemon drink

that is beneficial for wasting.

BTW, I am not HIV+, but I do have hepatitis C. My husband who is

positive showed a big improvement in his health--as well as his labs

when he followed just some of these recommendations.

All the best,

Lana

> Hello everyone,

> I have been a member for some time but haven't been active.

> I apologize in advance as this post is very long.

>

> My husband and I have both tested positive for HIV about 5 years

ago. The ID

> doctor, who I shall refer to as Dr.Death told my not sick husband

that he

> would be dead by September as he had full blown AIDS.

> We do not believe in HIV=AIDS+ Death and neither of us have taken

the anti

> retroviral drugs. Two years ago after a fall in the winter where my

husband was

> knocked unconscious and actually covered with snow for several

hours he came

> down with PCP pneumonia. We were scared to hospitalize him but

finally did and

> then he only accepted treatment for the pneumonia. He was released

after a

> week and came home weak and on O2 but with the help of our

spiritual practices

> and our natropath he got off the O2 and went back to work.

> To make a long story short he worked for a few months and came down

with

> panic attacks and some memory problems which the psychiatrist

attributed to the

> drugs he was given when hospitalized...he put him on some

antidepressants and my

> husband took them for a time then stopped.

> Up until a few months ago he was doing well and was ready to go

back to work

> then he started having swelling on his toes and ankles which they

diagnosed as

> arthritis. They started him on arthrotec then recently because it

wasn't

> working he was having pain in his neck and shoulders his doctor

switched him to

> Bextra....Big Mistake!!!! He has had all of the rare side effects

form the drug

> and took it for 19 days before I began to search the Net for side

effects and

> found out that if you are allergic to sulfur drugs you should Never

take

> Bextra!!!

> Here is our problem....He had gotten canker sores from a broken

filling

> cutting his lip and wasn't eating and drinking because of the

pain...in comes

> Bextra and further stops the healing of the canker sores and makes

him lose his

> appetite and have dementia like confusion. He developed a couggh

and then started

> getting progressively weaker till he couldn't stand which is the

point where

> I had him hospitalized.

> He only received two intravenous antibiotics...Zitromax and

> rocethin...(sp),,,and then only fluids to hydrate him.

> He was in for 1 week he is home and now the doctors say he is end

stage and

> that he has AIDS wasting and dementia and that he willn't live more

than a few

> weeks to a year. His CD4 count is 0 and his viral load is over

100,000...and

> yes I know they tests are full of shit...just added the details so

you would

> know where we are.

>

> I am trying to build up his body weight... (from 116 he is 5'11

inches) ...

> with goat's milk kefir made into shakes with whey protein,

blueberries and

> ground flax and honey, he takes AG-Immune 2 cap twice a day and a

Chinese herbal

> formula called Seven Forests Composition A 2 caps 2x's a day.

>

> I am taking a family medical leave to make sure he is eating all

his meals

> and at this point he isn't able to walk or do anything without help.

>

> His legs have swollen, they were fine before he was in the hospital

and they

> are hot to touch but he says they don't hurt and he doesn't flinch

when I

> touch them. He is very confused still as I am.

> He had a chest X-ray and he doesn't have pneumonia. His doctors do

not want

> to help with anything alternative they don't even want to treat any

illnesses

> he may get if we don't agree to the drug therapy.

>

> I still don't believe in what his ID doctors are saying but I am at

a loss to

> explain what has happened to make him so ill and unable to do for

himself.

> Has anyone else been through this or have any ides????

>

> Namaste,

> Mujadillah

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/1/04 3:09:29 AM, hoppbunny@... writes:

>

> BTW, I am not HIV+, but I do have hepatitis C. My husband who is

> positive showed a big improvement in his health--as well as his labs

> when he followed just some of these recommendations.

>

What exactly is an improvement in labs? Anyone still going to AIDSquacks

and monitoring invalid surrogate markers is far from cured.

By the way, what exactly are the symptoms of hepatitis C?

Ed

The world's longest living long-term non-progressor.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/1/04 3:50:10 PM, hoppbunny@... writes:

> Obviously, if one

> has " good labs " but feels like crap all the time, something is amiss--

> and this is the main problem with allopathic medicine today--many

> doctors look only at the labs.

>

No, Lana, the main problem with allopathic medicine is that it doesn't work.

Poisons that will make a healthy person sick cannot make a sick person

healthy.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/1/04 3:50:10 PM, hoppbunny@... writes:

> what exactly is destroying the

> livers of millions of people--maybe it isn't a virus, but the fact is

> that for many people, treatment with interferon arrests the disease

> process.

>

Viruses do not kill cells. They are cellular debris present when cells

break down -- something that happens all the time. Supposedly no cell in your

body is more than 7 or 8 years old. The cause of most (if not all) dis-ease is

poisoning. People poison their livers all the time with alcohol, drugs and

toxic " foods " .

[Guest guest]

Frst of all, my husband and I don't live in the U.S., so finding

doctors outside the national health system is not only difficult, but

ruinously expensive. " Labs " refers to the blood tests that are given

to gauge one's health, whether it be glucose, RBC, WBC, neutrophils,

platelets, hemoglobin, LFTs and yes, even the dreaded CD4 and CD8

counts, as these things can serve as indicators of illness, though

they should never serve as the SOLE indicators. Obviously, if one

has " good labs " but feels like crap all the time, something is amiss--

and this is the main problem with allopathic medicine today--many

doctors look only at the labs.

Regarding hepatitis C, the symptoms can range from no symptoms at all

to general fatigue, neuropathy, " brain-fog " and a host of other

symptoms too numerous to list here, since a liver that is being

destroyed loses its ability to detoxify the body. Some people develop

cryoglobulinemia and vasculitis. In end stage liver disease one can

suffer esophageal varices, ascites and encephalopathy. At this stage

of the disease liver cancer can develop, but even if it doesn't,

liver failure leads to death unless one receives a transplant.

Unfortunately, a transplanted liver can often be quickly destroyed as

the virus (if it's really a virus) remains in the body.

If you want to tell me that hepatitis C doesn't exist then you'll

have to offer another suggestion as to what exactly is destroying the

livers of millions of people--maybe it isn't a virus, but the fact is

that for many people, treatment with interferon arrests the disease

process. Hepatitis C is very mysterious in that some people can have

it for decades and suffer no fibrosis, others keep it in check for

many years and then suddenly develop rapid fibrosis--none of these

things seem to correlate completely with things such as viral load or

liver enzymes, leading me to believe that there is some important

factor that researchers have failed to discover.

Regards,

Lana

>

> In a message dated 1/1/04 3:09:29 AM, hoppbunny@h... writes:

>

>

> >

> > BTW, I am not HIV+, but I do have hepatitis C. My husband who is

> > positive showed a big improvement in his health--as well as his

labs

> > when he followed just some of these recommendations.

> >

>

> What exactly is an improvement in labs? Anyone still going to

AIDSquacks

> and monitoring invalid surrogate markers is far from cured.

>

> By the way, what exactly are the symptoms of hepatitis C?

>

> Ed

> The world's longest living long-term non-progressor.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/3/04 9:55:21 PM, HerbalMomma@... writes:

> I have been reading a very good book " You Don't Have to Die Unraveling the

> AIDS Myth " by Leon Chaitow, N.D.,D.O. and Strohecker. It has a lot of

> recommendation for various natural therapies and so I will pick and choose

> what

> seems best for us form what all of you have suggested and the suggestions of

> this book.

>

> It is really a lonely road though trying to avoid the drugs and find

> solutions on your own. Does anyone know of a support group in the Ann Arbor,

> Michigan

> area??

>

I urge you to look into " Natural Hygiene, " which is the science of life and

believes the body to be self-healing. They don't believe in remedies or

treating disease, but concentrate on creating health. I know people who have

been

teaching others for over 30 years and have ever seen it NOT work.

I believe it is the fastest and most effective means of restoring health.

It is without a doubt the most economical and globally sustainable approach to

health. And there are support groups all over the country -- which you will

need. You are right there. Good luck.

Ed

http://sobehealthy.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/4/04 11:10:41 AM, HerbalMomma@... writes:

> Hi Ed,

> Thankyou for the advice.

> I checked the site out and the rebounder is one of the purchases I have

> planned for my income tax refund, along with a new water purifier...my old

> one

> conked out.

> There is sooo much information and soooo many books I'd like to get can you

> recommend one that will be a good starting point?

> Namaste,

> Mujadillah

>

The first book I recommend anyone still under the influence of the church of

orthodox medicine read is " Confessions of a medical heretic " by Dr.

Mendelsohn, MD. As for Natural Hygiene, almost any of the old books by Drs.

Shelton or Tilden, or Arnold Ehret will give you a handle on it.

Of the recent books " Hooked on Raw, " by Rhio is one of my favorites. It

explains the science, the philosophy and has some great recipes too. Do a

search and check out her web site.

The rebounder is a good investment for your entire family's health. I think

your husband will get more out of it if you order the support bar with it.

If you get a good one, it's a lifetime investment, so the sooner you get it,

the more value you'll receive. Good luck

Ed

[Guest guest]

If I had one book to recommend it would be " Flood Your Body with Oxygen " by

Ed McAbe. This book is phenomenally informative on oxygen based therapies

that include ozone, hydrogen peroxide and splitting the H20 molecule.

Based on the Edema thing, I did recently listen to a tape that identifies

this condition to be associated with dehydration. This of course some from

the famous book " Your Body's Many Cries for Water. "

kev

Needing Help

> Hi Ed,

> Thankyou for the advice.

> I checked the site out and the rebounder is one of the purchases I have

> planned for my income tax refund, along with a new water purifier...my old

one

> conked out.

> There is sooo much information and soooo many books I'd like to get can

you

> recommend one that will be a good starting point?

> Namaste,

> Mujadillah

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just a word of advise with GSE and Vit E, they wont stop gram negative

bacteria in a water based product. I have had my own stuff lab tested. This is

not

so much as issue with things like body butter and such that have only

butters and oils. Shelf life with natural presevative is only about 3 to 6+

months

if stored properly (A Dark, cool, dry place out of direct sunlight, preferably

refrigerated and avoid contact with non sterile objects).

Most naturally preserved things I have seen on market have you sign a

stability release form, exempting the company from liability.

I believe these things can inhibit some growth and prevent oil rancidity,

but they dont prevent all forms of bacterial growth. grapeseed oil itself has a

horrible shelf life and goes rancid very quickly

[Guest guest]

Hello, I've never posted before. I have a 6 year old son who has Aspergers.

He is in the first grade. He transitioned to first grade fairly easy, but 2

weeks ago, he really started having some issues with angry outbursts, calling

his " aid " and teacher names, and he even hit his " aid " . His " aid " is not a para,

she is a long term substitute teacher that has been with him for a year. He is

currently on a 504 plan and we are going to his first initial IEP meeting next

week. OKay, my concern is this... Ever since his really angry outbursts

started, there has been talk of him being placed in a program called TDT that is

a part of Ozark Guidance Center. He would no longer attend school, but go to

this other building for " Thereputic Day Treatment " This is a place for children

who has a bad home life (which he doesn't) and who just have a hard time in

regular school. It's got children with behavior issues, sexual abuse, etc...

His doctor has changed his medication, and he has had good days for about a

week. He is smart, he is the " little professor " type. He is reading on a 4th

grade level and is advanced in math. I have been told that the school can court

order this. I am really scared, and sad, and angry... It seems like if he is

not fitting the " mold " then they want him to go to this place. What are his

rights, and mine as a parent? I am new to this. Any information would be

helpful. Thank you

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

Hello and welcome. I believe that your first objective is to discover what his

triggers are... the things that set him off. There are a couple of ways to do

this. One is to request, in writting, for a functional behavior analysis.

Some schools will agress but do the FBA themselves. You don't want this. Make

sure that they understand that it needs to be done by a Board Certified Behavior

Analyst. Now, they may not grant it and do it themselves anyway. For the first

round, that is okay and it is their right to do.

But then you will need to request for an independent FBA. After you give them

your written request, they have 20 days to respond. If they respond negatively,

which they can, they must give you a written response. Then you will have to

get legal help and file for due process.

If they consent, they have to give you a list of providers. You can choose a

provider from their list. Now, if their list doesn't have any BCBAs, then write

back to say that the providers are not acceptable and to give you a list of

BCBAs.

Stick to your guns on this because, at this point, they are required to provide

you with someone that you will want. This have to be a mutual consent process.

Now, when you get your list of BCBA providers, call them and interview them

without giving any details about your child. You want to make sure that they

will include observations and interviews for all environments, home, community,

and school. In addition, you need to ensure that they will be providing

comprehensive recommendations for your child. They will need to have experience

in Autism, so ask them to detail their experience. Feel them out and make sure

that you get someone that will be objective.

Okay, that was one good way. Another possibility is to find a

neuropsychologist. This type of doctor will find out how your son's brain is or

isn't processing all information along with social/emotional responses.

I don't know what state you live in but, just in case you need an example of

this type of service, I have put a link to the one that I used for my dd who is

HFA.

http://www.beverlytignorphd.com/Assessment.html

You can request a neuropsychological evaluation from the school but do know that

it is not a required test, at least to the best of my knowledge. Hence, it is

atypical and out of the regular scope. So don't be surprise if they look at you

with the deer-and-headlights expression.

You may have to pursue this one on your own but it is a powerful tool to have in

your aresenal.

Please keep the group posted.

Regards,

>

> Hello, I've never posted before. I have a 6 year old son who has Aspergers.

He is in the first grade. He transitioned to first grade fairly easy, but 2

weeks ago, he really started having some issues with angry outbursts, calling

his " aid " and teacher names, and he even hit his " aid " . His " aid " is not a para,

she is a long term substitute teacher that has been with him for a year. He is

currently on a 504 plan and we are going to his first initial IEP meeting next

week. OKay, my concern is this... Ever since his really angry outbursts

started, there has been talk of him being placed in a program called TDT that is

a part of Ozark Guidance Center. He would no longer attend school, but go to

this other building for " Thereputic Day Treatment " This is a place for children

who has a bad home life (which he doesn't) and who just have a hard time in

regular school. It's got children with behavior issues, sexual abuse, etc...

His doctor has changed his medication, and he has had good days for about a

week. He is smart, he is the " little professor " type. He is reading on a 4th

grade level and is advanced in math. I have been told that the school can court

order this. I am really scared, and sad, and angry... It seems like if he is

not fitting the " mold " then they want him to go to this place. What are his

rights, and mine as a parent? I am new to this. Any information would be

helpful. Thank you

> Sheri

>