Introduction and Question

[Guest guest]

Hi o,

Is your daughter seeing a pediatric rheumatologist? It probably wouldn't hurt

for you to ask for a referral to a nutritionist if you have a lot of questions,

but I make sure that my son eats a healthy, well balanced diet. When diagnosed,

my son was three. A lot will depend on the foods your daughter is already

accustomed to eating.

If your doctor was suggesting that you limit how much your child eats, I am here

to tell you that when first on high doses of steriods my little guy was eating

twice what I ate at mealtime and waking me up at 2 - 3 am because of hunger.

Not only can the steriods cause weight gain on their own, they increase the

appetite tremendously. gained a lot of weight quickly. When I expressed

concern on the slowness of the taper and his continued high weight, one doctor

looked at me and said that he would lose weight as the dose was lowered, but not

eating cookies and cake. I took immediate offense to that. I wish I could see

that Doctor just once - to show her how he did lose weight, and yes my son does

get to eat cookies and cake - along with the fruits and vegetables and hot dogs

and macaroni and other meats, carbs etc. He eats a balanced diet, no different

than before the steriods, and the weight fell off almost as quickly as it came

on, once the dose got low enough. When we upped his steriods in December, he

gained weight quickly again, and even though his dose is still rather high,

after a month or two of tapering, his weight has dropped back down. His

appetite increased when we raised the steriods in the winter, but not as much as

it had in the past. I hope I haven't confused you.

You didn't say how old your daughter is. The concern about weight will differ

according to age. My son was too young to be bothered by it, until a child at

his preschool called him a fat baby. Even then, I told him he had gained some

weight because of his medicine, that he certainly wasn't fat and not to worry

about it. That satisfied him at the time.

Maintain a balanced diet, and exercise as her symptoms permit. Beyond that, the

steriods are going to have the affect they are going to have. Hopefully, you

will be able to get the dose lowered to a level where the affect is minimal.

Good luck!

Val

Rob's Mom (5,systemic)

In a message dated 6/26/2003 6:51:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

robertosalas@... writes:

> Hi All,

>

> My daughter got diagnosed with jra about 2 months ago. I have been in this

group and been reading everything trying to learn more.

> I attended the children and arthritis conference in Shreveport, Louisiana

about 2 weeks ago. There were specialists and presenters talking to us and the

children were kept busy enjoying themselves with activities.

> My daughter is taking predinosone, Naprosyn, Methotrexate, and folic acid.

Since she is asthmatic she also takes Singulair and Advair disc.

> The rheumatologist stated that you have to be careful with the predinosone.

He told us that she would gain weight and she has. He told us to get a good

diet for her.

> What diets to you follow or do your children follow?

>

> o Salas

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi o,

My daughter is on same meds as yours except for the asthma meds. I have Brittany eat alot of fish, turkey and chicken. I know how the binging goes so I keep fresh fruits and veggies on hand so that she can snack on those between meals. When Brittany was diagnosed back in Jan. she was down to 65 lbs and since she has been on pred she has gained about 15 lbs (which that didn't hurt her at all)

I have gotten some of my recipes from www.deliciousdecisions.org which is the American Heart Association website and also from www.recipesource.com but on that one I mainly to the poultry, fish and seafood in the main dish area.

It gives you alternatives to fixing those so you don't get tired of eating it the same way all the time.

Anyway I hopes this helps.

mom to Brittany (12 poly)

-----Original Message-----From: o Salas [mailto:robertosalas@...]Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: introduction and question

Hi All,

My daughter got diagnosed with jra about 2 months ago. I have been in this group and been reading everything trying to learn more.

I attended the children and arthritis conference in Shreveport, Louisiana about 2 weeks ago. There were specialists and presenters talking to us and the children were kept busy enjoying themselves with activities.

My daughter is taking predinosone, Naprosyn, Methotrexate, and folic acid. Since she is asthmatic she also takes Singulair and Advair disc.

The rheumatologist stated that you have to be careful with the predinosone. He told us that she would gain weight and she has. He told us to get a good diet for her.

What diets to you follow or do your children follow?

o Salas To leave this mailing list, send request to: -unsubscribe

[Guest guest]

My daughter Casey (12, poly) is on the same regimen of meds as your

daughter. She has gained nearly 20# from the pred, plus the comparative

lack of activity since she came out of a 6-year remission in April. I have

been looking into Mediterranian-type diets, for both weight issues and also

because it seems to have some benefit for folks with RA (and other

auto-immune diseases) in general. Since I'm only in the research stages

there are no successes (or failures) to report but it may be of interest

anyway.

Best of luck with your daughter.

Sherry

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----- Original Message -----

From: " o Salas " <robertosalas@...>

My daughter got diagnosed with jra about 2 months ago. I have been in this

group and been reading everything trying to learn more.

I attended the children and arthritis conference in Shreveport, Louisiana

about 2 weeks ago. There were specialists and presenters talking to us and

the children were kept busy enjoying themselves with activities.

My daughter is taking predinosone, Naprosyn, Methotrexate, and folic acid.

Since she is asthmatic she also takes Singulair and Advair disc.

The rheumatologist stated that you have to be careful with the predinosone.

He told us that she would gain weight and she has. He told us to get a good

diet for her.

What diets to you follow or do your children follow?

[Guest guest]

My daughter is turning 8 next month. She is seeing a rheumatologist in San . He is the one that caught it and helped her to regain movement and the ability to walk.

She is gaining weight and is getting bigger and we have been told to let her snack on fruits, veggies, rice cakes and water. The difficult part she is definitely eating more.

Then talking to another family, a lady mentioned that they can become diabetic if we do not watch their diets. I wanted to see what other children are given.

Thanks for the reply.

Salas

Re: introduction and question

Hi o,Is your daughter seeing a pediatric rheumatologist? It probably wouldn't hurt for you to ask for a referral to a nutritionist if you have a lot of questions, but I make sure that my son eats a healthy, well balanced diet. When diagnosed, my son was three. A lot will depend on the foods your daughter is already accustomed to eating. If your doctor was suggesting that you limit how much your child eats, I am here to tell you that when first on high doses of steriods my little guy was eating twice what I ate at mealtime and waking me up at 2 - 3 am because of hunger. Not only can the steriods cause weight gain on their own, they increase the appetite tremendously. gained a lot of weight quickly. When I expressed concern on the slowness of the taper and his continued high weight, one doctor looked at me and said that he would lose weight as the dose was lowered, but not eating cookies and cake. I took immediate offense to that. I wish I could see that Doctor just once - to show her how he did lose weight, and yes my son does get to eat cookies and cake - along with the fruits and vegetables and hot dogs and macaroni and other meats, carbs etc. He eats a balanced diet, no different than before the steriods, and the weight fell off almost as quickly as it came on, once the dose got low enough. When we upped his steriods in December, he gained weight quickly again, and even though his dose is still rather high, after a month or two of tapering, his weight has dropped back down. His appetite increased when we raised the steriods in the winter, but not as much as it had in the past. I hope I haven't confused you. You didn't say how old your daughter is. The concern about weight will differ according to age. My son was too young to be bothered by it, until a child at his preschool called him a fat baby. Even then, I told him he had gained some weight because of his medicine, that he certainly wasn't fat and not to worry about it. That satisfied him at the time.Maintain a balanced diet, and exercise as her symptoms permit. Beyond that, the steriods are going to have the affect they are going to have. Hopefully, you will be able to get the dose lowered to a level where the affect is minimal. Good luck!ValRob's Mom (5,systemic)

[Guest guest]

Hiya and welcome.

OK, the fat going on round the back and middle is an age thing.

Hormone levels at puberty/early adulthood cause any fat gained to

mostly go on the hips and breasts and thighs. As we get older our

hormone ratios change and fat added then tends to be plonked around

the abdomen. That's just how it is, unfortunately. The same thing has

happened to me. I always had a nice flat stomach and trim waist and

since I gained weight it's all gone round the waist. So now I don't

like my legs OR my abdomen. LOL.

You say you're a cardio queen and you starve on 400 calories a day

and then binge and you don't really want to do weights. I have a

question for you....

IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WORKING FOR YOU????

The definition of insanity, to quote Bill (i think) is to do

what you've always done and expect a different result.

All that starving and excess cardio has caused your body to eat up

your muscles just to survive. Less muscles means a lower metabolism

and less ability to burn calories. So what happens? You gain more

weight on the same amount of food. You NEED to do the weights! You

NEED to eat enough to fuel your workouts! That's way more important

than doing ANY cardio (you should do the cardio too though, hehe).

You probably won't gain any weight, but even if you did, it would be

a couple of pounds and THEN it would start to drop off again.

I hope this hasn't sounded too harsh, but you sound like you're

panicking and about to do something not BFL and then think that BFL

doesn't work. Do it like it is in the book and it will work for you.

I'm a funny one to talk, I know, because I have binging issues like

crazy, but if I'm eating every 2-3 hours, with 200-300 calories a

meal, I'm usually ok, it's when I skip a meal or am really late

getting one that I fall face down into the cookie jar.

Good luck and keep posting here, it's a big help!

Phoenix

> Here's my problem: I binge on sweets and creamy carbs, and then I

> restrict calories for a few days, until I can't take it, and I

binge

> again. A few months back I tried BFL but found I wasn't motivated

to

> do the weight training part of it. I've always been a cardio

queen,

> and I have a tendancy to do at least an hour of cardio a day.

>

> When I gained all that weight, it all went in my stomach and back;

I

> have rolls of fat underneath my fat that I never had before, even

> when I was pregnant with twins! I don't know why the fat went

there;

> any ideas? I'm worried that if I do weight training on my upper

> body, especially my back, I'll just get bigger there. Shouldn't I

do

> cardio first to lose the fat?

>

> Also, I'm scared to eat as much as BFL prescribes; I mean, six

meals

> seems like a lot. When I diet, I usually eat maybe four times a

day

> and tops 100 calories. I know you're all going to say that's not

> enough, but I'm afraid if I eat more, I'll just gain weight. Any

> input would be appreciated. Thanks.

>

> Devyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Phoenix,

I appreciate you're reply, and, you're right, what I'm doing now (and

have been doing for year) really isn't working. It's just a

temporary solution. After I had my girls, I starved myself back to

prepregnancy weight, and I was able to maintain it for years only by

alternately restricting and compulsively exercising and bingeing. I

never binged until I started cutting calories.

I thought the abdominal and back fat had something to do with age,

even though I'm not 30 yet, but I guess there's a difference between

25 and 30; for me the last couple of years have been the hardest in

terms of maintaining weight loss.

Oh, one thing, I mistyped in my last post; I eat 1000 cals a day or

so, not 400, but I've gone as low as 600; I can usually maintain that

for a few days before I lose control. It's terrible, because I want

to be a good example for my daughters. They notice more than I

think. My husband is not support at all; he's in pretty good shape,

but can pretty much eat whatever he wants, so he brings junk into the

house.

Anyway, thanks again.

Devyn

> Hiya and welcome.

>

> OK, the fat going on round the back and middle is an age thing.

> Hormone levels at puberty/early adulthood cause any fat gained to

> mostly go on the hips and breasts and thighs. As we get older our

> hormone ratios change and fat added then tends to be plonked around

> the abdomen. That's just how it is, unfortunately. The same thing

has

> happened to me. I always had a nice flat stomach and trim waist and

> since I gained weight it's all gone round the waist. So now I

don't

> like my legs OR my abdomen. LOL.

>

> You say you're a cardio queen and you starve on 400 calories a day

> and then binge and you don't really want to do weights. I have a

> question for you....

>

> IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WORKING FOR YOU????

>

> The definition of insanity, to quote Bill (i think) is to

do

> what you've always done and expect a different result.

>

> All that starving and excess cardio has caused your body to eat up

> your muscles just to survive. Less muscles means a lower metabolism

> and less ability to burn calories. So what happens? You gain more

> weight on the same amount of food. You NEED to do the weights! You

> NEED to eat enough to fuel your workouts! That's way more important

> than doing ANY cardio (you should do the cardio too though, hehe).

> You probably won't gain any weight, but even if you did, it would

be

> a couple of pounds and THEN it would start to drop off again.

>

> I hope this hasn't sounded too harsh, but you sound like you're

> panicking and about to do something not BFL and then think that

BFL

> doesn't work. Do it like it is in the book and it will work for

you.

> I'm a funny one to talk, I know, because I have binging issues like

> crazy, but if I'm eating every 2-3 hours, with 200-300 calories a

> meal, I'm usually ok, it's when I skip a meal or am really late

> getting one that I fall face down into the cookie jar.

>

> Good luck and keep posting here, it's a big help!

>

> Phoenix

>

> > Here's my problem: I binge on sweets and creamy carbs, and then

I

> > restrict calories for a few days, until I can't take it, and I

> binge

> > again. A few months back I tried BFL but found I wasn't

motivated

> to

> > do the weight training part of it. I've always been a cardio

> queen,

> > and I have a tendancy to do at least an hour of cardio a day.

> >

> > When I gained all that weight, it all went in my stomach and

back;

> I

> > have rolls of fat underneath my fat that I never had before, even

> > when I was pregnant with twins! I don't know why the fat went

> there;

> > any ideas? I'm worried that if I do weight training on my upper

> > body, especially my back, I'll just get bigger there. Shouldn't

I

> do

> > cardio first to lose the fat?

> >

> > Also, I'm scared to eat as much as BFL prescribes; I mean, six

> meals

> > seems like a lot. When I diet, I usually eat maybe four times a

> day

> > and tops 100 calories. I know you're all going to say that's not

> > enough, but I'm afraid if I eat more, I'll just gain weight. Any

> > input would be appreciated. Thanks.

> >

> > Devyn

[Guest guest]

Hi again Devyn,

I'm just 30, and I agree. There's a big difference between 25 and 30

when it comes to where the fat goes. Blah!

Daughters are a really good reason for getting our own food hangups

under control, aren't they? My wee girl is only 2, but I SO want her

to have a healthy " moderation is the key and healthy, wholefoods are

best " approach to life.

OH, and I'm glad it wasn't really 400 calories a day. My eyes were

actually bugging out when I read that number. Of course, I don't even

cope well with 1500 calories a day (hungry all the time), so I still

don't know how you did it. Lol.

My hubby is supportive of the concept, but not always in the

execution. Often though, he will now at least ASK if it's OK if he

brings home Mcs or icecream and choc sauce for himself. At

least that way I can prepare for the temptation. I'm sad that your

partner is completely not helping you, but I guess in the end, it's

all up to us.

By the way, if you want to see the living proof that you can eat and

still look fantastic, go to see Skwiggs World o' Weirdness Website.

She's the current home page lady (and the moderator of this board)

and she eats about 2500 calories a day. She has many cool articles

there on how it all works and how NOT to do things. And she's

completely nuts, of course, but that's cool. (don't kill me

Skwigg!)

Phoenix

[Guest guest]

Devyn,

First off, welcome to the group. You will find a lot of support here.

Second, go dig out your Body for Life book and read it again. Then, read it

again. Put it in the bathroom and read it while you are..umm..thinking

(yeah, that's what we'll call it...thinking).

The fact is that you need to eat to lose weight. Think of it this way, when

you restrict calories to a consistent low your body will go into 'starvation

mode'. It thinks " Oh crap..no food..slow things down or we're gonna die " .

So it slows your metabolism down. So then what? Eat even less and slow

down your metabolism more? What's the eventual goal here? Eat nothing?

Skwigg has a great website where she addresses her own battles with this

kind of thinking and you may find it an eyeopener.

http://members.tripod.com/skwigg/

Next I would suggest a visit to Dr. Hussman's website. TONS and TONS of

info there that should help a lot:

http://www.hussman.org/fitness/

Finally, My next favorite read is from Mistress Krista. She's a real diva

and has her collective crap all together. Though not specifically BFL

related, she really explains the importance of eating, how calories work,

blah blah blah. But she does it in a way that doesn't reek of text books.

http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html

Cardio alone just won't do it. Read what Krista has to say about weight

training for women. She will really open your eyes. I am a former dancer

so cardio is a lot of fun for me. The thought of weight training really

seemed..well..completely alien to me. But now, I love it!! I get down in

my basement with my weights and grunt, spit and sweat just like any man in

the gym.

I hope I haven't overloaded you too much.

Su the Hobbit

[Guest guest]

Hon, I am 4'10.5 " tall and living on 600 cal./day for several days would

drive me insane. Litterally. Your body can NOT do all of the things it

needs to do (such as properly maintain hormone levels (leading to thyroid

and fertility issues), neurotransmitters (the bitch factor). And to do it

for several days simply puts your body into starvation mode. By keeping it

fed constantly you keep your metabolism chugging along. You need to eat to

lose weight.

Su the Hobbit

Re: Introduction and Question

> Hi Phoenix,

>

> I appreciate you're reply, and, you're right, what I'm doing now (and

> have been doing for year) really isn't working. It's just a

> temporary solution. After I had my girls, I starved myself back to

> prepregnancy weight, and I was able to maintain it for years only by

> alternately restricting and compulsively exercising and bingeing. I

> never binged until I started cutting calories.

>

> I thought the abdominal and back fat had something to do with age,

> even though I'm not 30 yet, but I guess there's a difference between

> 25 and 30; for me the last couple of years have been the hardest in

> terms of maintaining weight loss.

>

> Oh, one thing, I mistyped in my last post; I eat 1000 cals a day or

> so, not 400, but I've gone as low as 600; I can usually maintain that

> for a few days before I lose control. It's terrible, because I want

> to be a good example for my daughters. They notice more than I

> think. My husband is not support at all; he's in pretty good shape,

> but can pretty much eat whatever he wants, so he brings junk into the

> house.

>

> Anyway, thanks again.

>

> Devyn

>

>

> > Hiya and welcome.

> >

> > OK, the fat going on round the back and middle is an age thing.

> > Hormone levels at puberty/early adulthood cause any fat gained to

> > mostly go on the hips and breasts and thighs. As we get older our

> > hormone ratios change and fat added then tends to be plonked around

> > the abdomen. That's just how it is, unfortunately. The same thing

> has

> > happened to me. I always had a nice flat stomach and trim waist and

> > since I gained weight it's all gone round the waist. So now I

> don't

> > like my legs OR my abdomen. LOL.

> >

> > You say you're a cardio queen and you starve on 400 calories a day

> > and then binge and you don't really want to do weights. I have a

> > question for you....

> >

> > IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WORKING FOR YOU????

> >

> > The definition of insanity, to quote Bill (i think) is to

> do

> > what you've always done and expect a different result.

> >

> > All that starving and excess cardio has caused your body to eat up

> > your muscles just to survive. Less muscles means a lower metabolism

> > and less ability to burn calories. So what happens? You gain more

> > weight on the same amount of food. You NEED to do the weights! You

> > NEED to eat enough to fuel your workouts! That's way more important

> > than doing ANY cardio (you should do the cardio too though, hehe).

> > You probably won't gain any weight, but even if you did, it would

> be

> > a couple of pounds and THEN it would start to drop off again.

> >

> > I hope this hasn't sounded too harsh, but you sound like you're

> > panicking and about to do something not BFL and then think that

> BFL

> > doesn't work. Do it like it is in the book and it will work for

> you.

> > I'm a funny one to talk, I know, because I have binging issues like

> > crazy, but if I'm eating every 2-3 hours, with 200-300 calories a

> > meal, I'm usually ok, it's when I skip a meal or am really late

> > getting one that I fall face down into the cookie jar.

> >

> > Good luck and keep posting here, it's a big help!

> >

> > Phoenix

> >

> > > Here's my problem: I binge on sweets and creamy carbs, and then

> I

> > > restrict calories for a few days, until I can't take it, and I

> > binge

> > > again. A few months back I tried BFL but found I wasn't

> motivated

> > to

> > > do the weight training part of it. I've always been a cardio

> > queen,

> > > and I have a tendancy to do at least an hour of cardio a day.

> > >

> > > When I gained all that weight, it all went in my stomach and

> back;

> > I

> > > have rolls of fat underneath my fat that I never had before, even

> > > when I was pregnant with twins! I don't know why the fat went

> > there;

> > > any ideas? I'm worried that if I do weight training on my upper

> > > body, especially my back, I'll just get bigger there. Shouldn't

> I

> > do

> > > cardio first to lose the fat?

> > >

> > > Also, I'm scared to eat as much as BFL prescribes; I mean, six

> > meals

> > > seems like a lot. When I diet, I usually eat maybe four times a

> > day

> > > and tops 100 calories. I know you're all going to say that's not

> > > enough, but I'm afraid if I eat more, I'll just gain weight. Any

> > > input would be appreciated. Thanks.

> > >

> > > Devyn

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hey devyn...

i just wanted to say, as a daughter, that yes, i think your daughters

probably notice. i say this because both my mother, father, and my step

mother have struggeled with eating disorders all of their lives, and

hence, all of mine.

i wasnt even into puberty before i started thinking about 'dieting', i'd

tell people i was 'watching my weight for swimsuit season', doing

crunches on the living room floor in my spare time, and evaluating my

meals and everyone elses. i was 6 years old! SIX!

my step mother would routinely sit at the table after having spent hours

preparing a huge meal for the family, and not eat a thing. because she

was beautiful, thin, had my fathers attention, and i wanted to be like

her and for her to love me, i would try to skip dinner too. then my

sister would try. then the three of us began a kind of semi-silent

competition which lasted for years.

my mother tried to bribe me to be 'successful' on my 'diets' when i was

in grade school by promising to by me shoes or clothes or toys if i only

ate certain things. this is how i remember bonding with my mother, and

learning to hate her, this panic i felt over whether or not i could be

'good' enough to have good things. i know she did the best she could,

and i cant blame her- her mother was a beauty queen.

my father would pick me up from school and drive us to a fast food

place. he'd go through the drive through, get us both meals. i'd eat

mine, and he'd eat his. fast. then he'd pull over, throw his trash away,

and drive to another drive through and get himself another meal. drive

around eating, throw his trash out, and go to another one. while i sat

there working on my one meal, he'd go through five or six. then we'd go

home and have dinner with the family like nothing happened. i didnt even

remember this and really think about how it affected me until just a few

months ago. but how can i blame him? he spent his life being told he was

fat and being denied food by his mother, and hiding in the pantry in the

middle of the night eating canned goods.

my mother, my father, and my step mother all excersized compulsively.

all three became aerobics instructors and personal trainers. they worked

at a gym and i spent a majority of my time after school there.

everyone in my immediate family has had some kindof plastic surgery

(tummy tuck, breast augmentation, lipo, etc)

i could go on and on, but the bottom line is that i was addicted to diet

pills by 9, depressed, destructive and on drugs by 11, and in the

hospital for anorexia by 13. i have struggeled to overcome it every day

since then, with varrying degrees of success. (it's only in this past

year, and really completely only this past 2 months when i've been doing

BFL that i've felt like i've really come close to regarding my body

healthfully and with respect.)

i dont speak to my father or step mother at all, and havent in years.

i've only this year had the strength to tell my mother that she is under

no circumstances to ever discuss dieting with me, including criticizing

how little i eat at meals, how much, in what variety, or how skinny i

look or dont look, or to ever call me up to tell me about her

'successes' or 'failures' on whatever diet she's on. it's only this year

that i've realized how much my heart breaks every time any of these

issues come up around her; how inextricably intertwined i feel her love,

both for me and herself, are with the elusive goal of 'thinness'.

of all of us, i think i'm the only one whose learned that it was always

about love, and thinness was never really the goal at all.

your daughters love you. they want your love, and they are WATCHING.

they're like sponges. they're absorbing everything the see- even the

things you think they dont understand. i know you're a woman, with a

life and a history. they dont have that luxury. what they are learning

from you will become their history. dont let that history be about pain

and deprivation.

maybe they wont be like me, they wont be so willing to take on their

parents neurosis...but many children are not able to maintain that kind

of distance.

good luck,

cera

www.strangestlittlemonster.com

www.seemescreaming.com

>

> Re: Introduction and Question

>

>

>

>

>>Hi Phoenix,

>>

>>I appreciate you're reply, and, you're right, what I'm doing now (and

>>have been doing for year) really isn't working. It's just a

>>temporary solution. After I had my girls, I starved myself back to

>>prepregnancy weight, and I was able to maintain it for years only by

>>alternately restricting and compulsively exercising and bingeing. I

>>never binged until I started cutting calories.

>>

>>I thought the abdominal and back fat had something to do with age,

>>even though I'm not 30 yet, but I guess there's a difference between

>>25 and 30; for me the last couple of years have been the hardest in

>>terms of maintaining weight loss.

>>

>>Oh, one thing, I mistyped in my last post; I eat 1000 cals a day or

>>so, not 400, but I've gone as low as 600; I can usually maintain that

>>for a few days before I lose control. It's terrible, because I want

>>to be a good example for my daughters. They notice more than I

>>think. My husband is not support at all; he's in pretty good shape,

>>but can pretty much eat whatever he wants, so he brings junk into the

>>house.

>>

>>Anyway, thanks again.

>>

>>Devyn

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>Hiya and welcome.

>>>

>>>OK, the fat going on round the back and middle is an age thing.

>>>Hormone levels at puberty/early adulthood cause any fat gained to

>>>mostly go on the hips and breasts and thighs. As we get older our

>>>hormone ratios change and fat added then tends to be plonked around

>>>the abdomen. That's just how it is, unfortunately. The same thing

>>>

>>>

>>has

>>

>>

>>>happened to me. I always had a nice flat stomach and trim waist and

>>>since I gained weight it's all gone round the waist. So now I

>>>

>>>

>>don't

>>

>>

>>>like my legs OR my abdomen. LOL.

>>>

>>>You say you're a cardio queen and you starve on 400 calories a day

>>>and then binge and you don't really want to do weights. I have a

>>>question for you....

>>>

>>>IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WORKING FOR YOU????

>>>

>>>The definition of insanity, to quote Bill (i think) is to

>>>

>>>

>>do

>>

>>

>>>what you've always done and expect a different result.

>>>

>>>All that starving and excess cardio has caused your body to eat up

>>>your muscles just to survive. Less muscles means a lower metabolism

>>>and less ability to burn calories. So what happens? You gain more

>>>weight on the same amount of food. You NEED to do the weights! You

>>>NEED to eat enough to fuel your workouts! That's way more important

>>>than doing ANY cardio (you should do the cardio too though, hehe).

>>>You probably won't gain any weight, but even if you did, it would

>>>

>>>

>>be

>>

>>

>>>a couple of pounds and THEN it would start to drop off again.

>>>

>>>I hope this hasn't sounded too harsh, but you sound like you're

>>>panicking and about to do something not BFL and then think that

>>>

>>>

>>BFL

>>

>>

>>>doesn't work. Do it like it is in the book and it will work for

>>>

>>>

>>you.

>>

>>

>>>I'm a funny one to talk, I know, because I have binging issues like

>>>crazy, but if I'm eating every 2-3 hours, with 200-300 calories a

>>>meal, I'm usually ok, it's when I skip a meal or am really late

>>>getting one that I fall face down into the cookie jar.

>>>

>>>Good luck and keep posting here, it's a big help!

>>>

>>>Phoenix

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>Here's my problem: I binge on sweets and creamy carbs, and then

>>>>

>>>>

>>I

>>

>>

>>>>restrict calories for a few days, until I can't take it, and I

>>>>

>>>>

>>>binge

>>>

>>>

>>>>again. A few months back I tried BFL but found I wasn't

>>>>

>>>>

>>motivated

>>

>>

>>>to

>>>

>>>

>>>>do the weight training part of it. I've always been a cardio

>>>>

>>>>

>>>queen,

>>>

>>>

>>>>and I have a tendancy to do at least an hour of cardio a day.

>>>>

>>>>When I gained all that weight, it all went in my stomach and

>>>>

>>>>

>>back;

>>

>>

>>>I

>>>

>>>

>>>>have rolls of fat underneath my fat that I never had before, even

>>>>when I was pregnant with twins! I don't know why the fat went

>>>>

>>>>

>>>there;

>>>

>>>

>>>>any ideas? I'm worried that if I do weight training on my upper

>>>>body, especially my back, I'll just get bigger there. Shouldn't

>>>>

>>>>

>>I

>>

>>

>>>do

>>>

>>>

>>>>cardio first to lose the fat?

>>>>

>>>>Also, I'm scared to eat as much as BFL prescribes; I mean, six

>>>>

>>>>

>>>meals

>>>

>>>

>>>>seems like a lot. When I diet, I usually eat maybe four times a

>>>>

>>>>

>>>day

>>>

>>>

>>>>and tops 100 calories. I know you're all going to say that's not

>>>>enough, but I'm afraid if I eat more, I'll just gain weight. Any

>>>>input would be appreciated. Thanks.

>>>>

>>>>Devyn

>>>>

>>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Cera,

Thanks so much for sharing this. It meant a lot to me. It just

about made me cry. I also grew up with a mom who had weight issues,

nothing as extreme as your household, but she was always trying to

lose those last ten pounds. When I was a thirteen, I went through a

major growth spurt and went from a gangly girl to a full-blown curvy

woman. Prior to that, I'd been a picky eater, but all of a sudden I

was hungry all the time, and I got really into cooking and eating. I

put on a bit of weight, although I wasn't overweight by any means.

Well, my mom started scolding me, telling me I shouldn't eat so much

or I shouldn't have this or that, or I'd get fat, and then no boys

would like me. It was horrible.

I vowed NEVER to do that to my daughters, and I try not to share my

body disatisfaction in front of them. I talk about how much I like

food, and we eat normal food. We have treats and stuff. I've raised

them to like healthy food; they prefer fruit over cookies, and

they're very active, involved in soccer and softball. They did

gymnastics for a while, but I was worried about the pressure to be

thin, so I stirred them more in the direction of soccer, and they

took to that. Thus far they have no food or body issues, and I will

never do to them what my mom did to me.

Devyn

> >>

> >>

> >>>Hiya and welcome.

> >>>

> >>>OK, the fat going on round the back and middle is an age thing.

> >>>Hormone levels at puberty/early adulthood cause any fat gained to

> >>>mostly go on the hips and breasts and thighs. As we get older our

> >>>hormone ratios change and fat added then tends to be plonked

around

> >>>the abdomen. That's just how it is, unfortunately. The same thing

> >>>

> >>>

> >>has

> >>

> >>

> >>>happened to me. I always had a nice flat stomach and trim waist

and

> >>>since I gained weight it's all gone round the waist. So now I

> >>>

> >>>

> >>don't

> >>

> >>

> >>>like my legs OR my abdomen. LOL.

> >>>

> >>>You say you're a cardio queen and you starve on 400 calories a

day

> >>>and then binge and you don't really want to do weights. I have a

> >>>question for you....

> >>>

> >>>IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING WORKING FOR YOU????

> >>>

> >>>The definition of insanity, to quote Bill (i think) is

to

> >>>

> >>>

> >>do

> >>

> >>

> >>>what you've always done and expect a different result.

> >>>

> >>>All that starving and excess cardio has caused your body to eat

up

> >>>your muscles just to survive. Less muscles means a lower

metabolism

> >>>and less ability to burn calories. So what happens? You gain more

> >>>weight on the same amount of food. You NEED to do the weights!

You

> >>>NEED to eat enough to fuel your workouts! That's way more

important

> >>>than doing ANY cardio (you should do the cardio too though,

hehe).

> >>>You probably won't gain any weight, but even if you did, it would

> >>>

> >>>

> >>be

> >>

> >>

> >>>a couple of pounds and THEN it would start to drop off again.

> >>>

> >>>I hope this hasn't sounded too harsh, but you sound like you're

> >>>panicking and about to do something not BFL and then think that

> >>>

> >>>

> >>BFL

> >>

> >>

> >>>doesn't work. Do it like it is in the book and it will work for

> >>>

> >>>

> >>you.

> >>

> >>

> >>>I'm a funny one to talk, I know, because I have binging issues

like

> >>>crazy, but if I'm eating every 2-3 hours, with 200-300 calories a

> >>>meal, I'm usually ok, it's when I skip a meal or am really late

> >>>getting one that I fall face down into the cookie jar.

> >>>

> >>>Good luck and keep posting here, it's a big help!

> >>>

> >>>Phoenix

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>Here's my problem: I binge on sweets and creamy carbs, and then

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>I

> >>

> >>

> >>>>restrict calories for a few days, until I can't take it, and I

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>binge

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>again. A few months back I tried BFL but found I wasn't

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>motivated

> >>

> >>

> >>>to

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>do the weight training part of it. I've always been a cardio

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>queen,

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>and I have a tendancy to do at least an hour of cardio a day.

> >>>>

> >>>>When I gained all that weight, it all went in my stomach and

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>back;

> >>

> >>

> >>>I

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>have rolls of fat underneath my fat that I never had before,

even

> >>>>when I was pregnant with twins! I don't know why the fat went

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>there;

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>any ideas? I'm worried that if I do weight training on my upper

> >>>>body, especially my back, I'll just get bigger there. Shouldn't

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>I

> >>

> >>

> >>>do

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>cardio first to lose the fat?

> >>>>

> >>>>Also, I'm scared to eat as much as BFL prescribes; I mean, six

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>meals

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>seems like a lot. When I diet, I usually eat maybe four times a

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>day

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>and tops 100 calories. I know you're all going to say that's

not

> >>>>enough, but I'm afraid if I eat more, I'll just gain weight.

Any

> >>>>input would be appreciated. Thanks.

> >>>>

> >>>>Devyn

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cera,

Wow, that's quite a history. I thought my family had issues with

food, but nothing like that. Body issues at 6 years old . My heart

goes out to you. You're right about children wanting to emulate

their parents because " being like Mum or Dad " is cool and " will make

them love me more " . Like Devyn, I'm trying hard to find ways not to

pass my issues on to my daughter.

It scares me to think that I could have such a negative effect on

someone who I love more than life. It is a damn good reason to beat

these issues once and for all.

Thank you

Phoenix

[Guest guest]

Hello and congratulations on your weight loss success thus far.

The circuit training you speak of could be used as your cardio if it

is intense enough. If you do this continue to do the weights as per

the BFL outline. If the cardio class is not intense enough to effect

a " 10 " effort then use it as additional activity and do the 20 minute

HIIT for your fatburning cardio. If you do the eating correctly you

are going to lose weight either way.

Stasia

> Hello all!

>

> I've been lurking for a LONG time and have adopted many BFL

philosophies into my life in the past couple of months.

>

> In the past 2 months I've lost 10 pounds of scale weight, about

1.5% bodyfat, 1.5 inches on my abdomen, 1.5 inches on my waist, 1.5

inches on my thigh, and half an inch on my calf. No changes from the

belly button up, but my lower body needs the most work, so I'm not

complaining.

>

> Today's huge milestone? For the first time ever, I can see a muscle

emerging from my thigh!!!

>

> I woke up this morning and decided that today I should begin an

official challenge. But I have a question.

>

> I've been doing a Circuit class at the gym 3x a week. It's an hour

long and combines cardio and weights. It kicks my bootie and I really

enjoy it. I've stuck with it for 2 months and I don't want to give it

up. So where would this fit into the BFL plan? As extra? As my

cardio? What would you do?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Oh, I'm 27, 5'5 " , currently weigh about 165, and according to my

gym, my bodyfat is now around 31%. My goal is to at least get back to

pre-pregnancy weight...148...and to get to 20% or so bodyfat. My

ultimate goal is to be an irresistable hottie by this time next year,

when my husband returns from Iraq.

>

> Thanks for all of your support. I'm going to need it!

>

> Jackie in SD

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Welcome!!!

Great job on your progress this far! You sound very motivated and

ready! I'm not sure about your circut class, I'm afraid if you use

it in place of your cardio, your muscles will be overworked and will

not have enough time to recover. There are people on this board that

know way more than I do about BFL, so I'm sure you will be able to

find your answer.

Keep us posted on your progress! Much thanks to your husband for his

service to our country.

> Hello all!

>

> I've been lurking for a LONG time and have adopted many BFL

philosophies into my life in the past couple of months.

>

> In the past 2 months I've lost 10 pounds of scale weight, about

1.5% bodyfat, 1.5 inches on my abdomen, 1.5 inches on my waist, 1.5

inches on my thigh, and half an inch on my calf. No changes from the

belly button up, but my lower body needs the most work, so I'm not

complaining.

>

> Today's huge milestone? For the first time ever, I can see a

muscle emerging from my thigh!!!

>

> I woke up this morning and decided that today I should begin an

official challenge. But I have a question.

>

> I've been doing a Circuit class at the gym 3x a week. It's an hour

long and combines cardio and weights. It kicks my bootie and I

really enjoy it. I've stuck with it for 2 months and I don't want to

give it up. So where would this fit into the BFL plan? As extra? As

my cardio? What would you do?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Oh, I'm 27, 5'5 " , currently weigh about 165, and according to my

gym, my bodyfat is now around 31%. My goal is to at least get back

to pre-pregnancy weight...148...and to get to 20% or so bodyfat. My

ultimate goal is to be an irresistable hottie by this time next

year, when my husband returns from Iraq.

>

> Thanks for all of your support. I'm going to need it!

>

> Jackie in SD

>

>

> ____________________________________________________________

> Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages

>

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ult.asp?SRC=lycos10

[Guest guest]

Hi , I am new here too. I just had hip replacement surgery in 2003 at 38. Do you need a revision to an injury or anything? I thought they were supposed to last awhile.

Connie

tecboy1138@... writes:

Hello,My name's I had a hip replacement in 1999 -- I'm now 38 andfind myself needing a revision surgery. I'm hoping to network here because I'm trying to find the 2 or 3 besthip replacement / revision Surgeons in the United States. I'd really appreciate any advice and direction from the group.Thanks,

[Guest guest]

---I don't know where you live, but Dr. Gross in Columbia,

South Carolina is an excellent surgeon and a pioneer in some of the

new implants.

You can check out his credentials at;

http://www.grossortho.com

or you can contact his assistant, Lee Webb at;

leewebb1@...

She replies really quickly and is most helpful.

There is also Dr. Amstutz in Los Angeles, California, partners with

Dr. Schmalzreid and Dr. Beaule at JRI [Joint Replacement Institute]

at; http://www.jri-oh.com.

Also Dr Myron Stachniw in Galesburg, Illinois at;

http://www.myronstachniw.com

His phone number is 1-309-342-0194.

That's a few really good ones. ..... Maxine

In Joint Replacement , " Tyler "

<tecboy1138@a...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello,

>

> My name's I had a hip replacement in 1999 -- I'm now 38 and

> find myself needing a revision surgery.

>

> I'm hoping to network here because I'm trying to find the 2 or 3

best

> hip replacement / revision Surgeons in the United States.

>

> I'd really appreciate any advice and direction from the group.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You might want to check out Margaret's database at: Joint Replacement/database?method=reportRows & tbl=3

Group members record their experiences, including surgeon's name and type of surgery.

Carol

Tyler <tecboy1138@...> wrote:

Hello,My name's I had a hip replacement in 1999 -- I'm now 38 andfind myself needing a revision surgery. I'm hoping to network here because I'm trying to find the 2 or 3 besthip replacement / revision Surgeons in the United States. I'd really appreciate any advice and direction from the group.Thanks,

[Guest guest]

and K.T.

My orgininal OS Dr. A. recomended my OS Dr. W. for revision. He was

the head of the department and my OS always went to him with

questions. Now Dr. W. is my OS because he has done both my shoulder

replacements and the revision. Dr. A. only has the original LTHR,

which is great after almost 8 years.

Experience and good results and the respect of other doctors are good

reasons to go with a particular doc. Then if you like him or her, go

for it. It is never a good idea to use an OS that you do not like or

feel that he is giving you 100%

Good luck.

Sue

>

> Hi ,

> Many doctors who perform the primary (original) THR do not do

revisions. I

> also have the question about finding a doctor for a revision. I

live in the

> NYC area (Long Island) How does one really know who a good doctor

is?

> K.T.

[Guest guest]

> Hi , I am new here too. I just had hip replacement surgery in

> 2003 at

> 38. Do you need a revision to an injury or anything? I thought they

> were

> supposed to last awhile.

They last as long as they last.

It's rarely the prothesis that wears out for a young 'un. The

connection between bone and metal, or between bone, cement and metal is

what is more likely to give.

I got five years out of my first THR, and almost 6 out of the revision

of stem and cup (I'm having my second revision in May, at the age of

36). A friend of mine, who is now 44 has had her hip for 22 years, and

she's just starting to think it's time to look at revision in the next

couple of years. You just can't tell.

You've got so many variables: your bone condition and body, your level

of activity, and, well, luck involved. That's above and beyond things

like suitability of the prothesis that's used, and the skill of the

surgeon, and how carefully and successfully you recuperated.

The statistics for longevity don't really reflect the young THR

patients. A 20-something is almost certainly going to work their new

hip harder than a 70-something (no offence intended to the super-active

older people here, or the more laid back young ones). Has anyone seen

any numbers, ever, for failure rates for people under 40?

All you can really do is treat it well, cross your fingers, and hope

you're one of the lucky 20 years crew.

[Guest guest]

I'm in a lot of pain and, it isn't the hip. The hip is fine but, I have severe pain in another place that was there before surgery and, subsided afterwards but, wasn't gone completely, it was a lot better though. But, since My fall it has gotten significantly worse and, I don't know what to do.

Connie

juneflower60@... writes:

Hi Connie,

I just wanted to welcome you to this group . I had a Hip replacement done on April 12,2000 and a knee replacement on Nov.23,2001 .Well I hope your doing ok . Have a nice day.

Susie

[Guest guest]

After my surgery, I felt funny things and, I told people, they thought I was imagining it.

I thought it was it was the new hip I was feeling, it felt like it was poking me. The feeling finally went away. If I catch my leg on something, I feel a really bad pull and, feel like I am pulling my leg off. It is awful. I hope the Dr. can help you. My pain is in the groin and, I don't know what is causing it. I tried ice and, that doesn't do much, heat helps. And the pool is nice, I don't feel much pain in the pool. Connie

juneflower60@... writes:

Hi Connie,

After my Hip replacement I always feel this thing thats inside me My dr that did the operations said it was bad scar tissues and to rub it I did that but it didn't help any soon I'll be looking for a new dr and hope he can help me .

Did you try putting a cold pad on it or heat ? Well you take care .

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie,

After my Hip replacement I always feel this thing thats inside me My dr that did the operations said it was bad scar tissues and to rub it I did that but it didn't help any soon I'll be looking for a new dr and hope he can help me .

Did you try putting a cold pad on it or heat ? Well you take care .

Susie

-------------- Original message --------------

I'm in a lot of pain and, it isn't the hip. The hip is fine but, I have severe pain in another place that was there before surgery and, subsided afterwards but, wasn't gone completely, it was a lot better though. But, since My fall it has gotten significantly worse and, I don't know what to do.

Connie

juneflower60@... writes:

Hi Connie,

I just wanted to welcome you to this group . I had a Hip replacement done on April 12,2000 and a knee replacement on Nov.23,2001 .Well I hope your doing ok . Have a nice day.

Susie

[Guest guest]

After surgery it was a struggle, I just crawled up them sometimes. Going down isn't too bad, I just take it one step at a time. At work, I won't take the stairs up because, they are too difficult. A few stairs aren't too bad. Before we moved, We had stairs and, it was okay for the most part but, the past few months have been really hard. Getting in and out of cars is not as bad as when I first had surgery. I have to sometimes just lift my leg myself to get it in the car. My biggest problem right now is getting off the bed. Everything else is a piece of cake compared to that, it is very painful to get out of it.

Connie

juneflower60@... writes:

Hi Connie,

I was wondering how are you when you walked up and down stairs? I hate stairs we'll moving in a house that my daughter brought no stairs we have two weeks can't wait until we move. I have a hard time getting in cars getting out isn't too bad How are you getting in and out of cars? Well I hope that pain goes away for you .

Susie

[Guest guest]

I didn't have a problem when I was sleeping in another direction before We moved. But, now that I have to lead with the left leg, it is harder. I do try to breathe first. Connie

juneflower60@... writes:

Hi Connie,

I don't know what it is but sometimes I have a have a hard time getting out of bed I take deep breaths that helps with the pain they told me to do that in the hopital it help .Well you have a nice day

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi Connie,

I was wondering how are you when you walked up and down stairs? I hate stairs we'll moving in a house that my daughter brought no stairs we have two weeks can't wait until we move. I have a hard time getting in cars getting out isn't too bad How are you getting in and out of cars? Well I hope that pain goes away for you .

Susie

-------------- Original message --------------

After my surgery, I felt funny things and, I told people, they thought I was imagining it.

I thought it was it was the new hip I was feeling, it felt like it was poking me. The feeling finally went away. If I catch my leg on something, I feel a really bad pull and, feel like I am pulling my leg off. It is awful. I hope the Dr. can help you. My pain is in the groin and, I don't know what is causing it. I tried ice and, that doesn't do much, heat helps. And the pool is nice, I don't feel much pain in the pool. Connie

juneflower60@... writes:

Hi Connie,

After my Hip replacement I always feel this thing thats inside me My dr that did the operations said it was bad scar tissues and to rub it I did that but it didn't help any soon I'll be looking for a new dr and hope he can help me .

Did you try putting a cold pad on it or heat ? Well you take care .

Susie