Guest guest Posted May 3, 1999 Report Share Posted May 3, 1999 Theresa, Yes, my work fax number is 201-413-0015. Please send it to attention to " TC Chao " . Thanks a lot. What kind of role does the Protection and Advocacy Agency play? Do they not only keep a list of legal rights, but also enforce it? I left several messages to them and receive no response yet. TC " Theresa " <pudding@...> on 05/03/99 04:29:22 PM Please respond to onelist onelist cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) Subject: 504 TC I have talked to the school psychologist about the 504 plan.She is going to send me two copies of it.I don't have a fax machine,but I may be able to get my son or husband to fax you a copy if you have access to one.She also said you may want to go ahead and get the Protection and Advocacy Agency involved early.She said they are a great agency and are right on top of things legally.If you call them,she said they will usually be at the school the next day.You can use them in a friendly capacity for information.Hope this helps. Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 Thanks Theresa!! This is about the most complete list that I have ever seen. They address a lot of issues. Thanks for sharing! mary from La. Theresa wrote: > HiI came across this website about 504 plans if anyone is > interestedhttp://angelfire.com/ny/Debsimms/education.html#ideasTheresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 Hi Theresa: Thanks for sharing this link. I particularly liked the section on Suggestions for IEP and/or 504 meetings. Aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 12:46 AM 12/10/1999 -0500, you wrote: > Hi I came across this website about 504 plans if anyone is interested >http://angelfire.com/ny/Debsimms/education.html#ideas Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 23, 2000 Report Share Posted January 23, 2000 Hi Judy This is Terry in WI It doesn't sound right to me. I don't believe that grades are the onlycriteria. We have a IEP for my daughter ( which is different from a 504 plan ) because She toe walks and it was affecting her physical development ( playground activities )and consequently her self esteem. Her grades have always been excellent All " A's " except Py Ed. The education kids receive at school is more than the 3 Rs. It's also physical, emotional and social development. I will send you the links that I have concerning this subject and I would guess that if you have a formal dx that he qualifies for a 504 plan which can be nothing more than time to leave the room to compose himself or a " safe " person to talk to. I get so tired of hearing things like this, The educators are supposed to be the ones with all the knowledge. If they would only realize that the more the teachers help our kids the less anxiety they will have, the fewer symptoms they will have which means that the teachers will have to deal with less. Why is this so hard for some of them to understand ????? Good Luck and be STRONG Terry in WI 504 >From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> > >Dan's therapist said I should get a 504 for him, so I called the >guidance office. The counsellor said there was not a chance, because he >got all As and Bs first term. Unless a student is getting more than one >D, they don't give 504s. Does this sound right? > >Judy > >Kathy Hammes wrote: >> >> From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> >> >> Hi Dana: >> >> Please don't beat yourself up about the time spent/wasted in dealing >> with >> OCD. For all of us this is a learning process. For our family it has >> literally taken years, months and months to figure out there was a >> real >> problem, months to figure out what it was and then over a year to find >> an >> effective treatment team. >> >> At first I also set up Steve's 504 to allow avoidance and prevented >> teachers from interacting therapeutically with him. Once he was able >> to >> learn CBT then we changed the 504 to reinforce his bossing back and >> involve >> the teachers more therapeutically with him. It is just too early to >> set up >> a 504 with zero enabling until our kids have learned the necessary >> skills >> to boss back OCD on their own. It is counterproductive for our kids >> to get >> punished for OCD behaviors they are only just starting to learn how to >> control. >> >> Changing the 504 has been a bit confusing for the teachers who seem >> more >> accustomed to doing the same thing for a long time. However each year >> there is a new team of teachers and you can start again at square one >> depending on Ava's progress with her CBT/E & RP. The perseverating >> behaviors >> seem particularly irksome to the teachers. For Steve this would >> manifest >> in having to have the last word in classroom discussions. The >> teachers >> really appreciated working on getting him to reduce these behaviors. >> >> We have also faced the structured vs. non-structured/less structured >> educational experience. Strangely enough the structured seems to work >> the >> best. What we do is use humor about the situations when the teachers >> do >> stuff which is not the best approach for managing OCD. Luckily >> Steve's CBT >> therapist has helped the teachers with suggestions about how to handle >> his >> OCD sxs in the classroom and this seems to allay their fears. They >> seem >> relieved to have a non-parent resource to answer their questions. >> >> Ava has already come a long way and will continue to make strides >> against >> her OCD. We notice every few months that Steve is managing things >> better >> than before, it is surprising how lengthy yet persistent the >> improvement is. >> >> Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) >> kathyh@... >> >> At 04:11 PM 01/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >> >From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...> >> > >> >Hi Kathy, >> >This really is good news. I am inspired for sure. Needing to finish >> >things is definitely one of Ava's issues too and it is good to see >> how >> >successful ERP is in dealing with this one as well as the others. >> Since >> >Ava hasn't had the opportunity to learn ERP we've spent (wasted?) so >> >much time trying to change the environment so that she can be okay >> the >> >way she is. Her 504 plan allows her extra time to finish things. >> While >> >this has worked in a temporary way I'm really looking forward to >> finding >> >a doc who can work with all of us using CBT instead of just meds. >> >It's hard to figure out what is support/advocacy and what is enabling >> - >> >at least it's hard for me anyway! I think lately I've been doing >> more >> >enabling, partly I think due to the changes of middle school. Last >> year >> >she had one teacher instead of seven and she was so good that I >> trusted >> >her to help sort out the support vs enabling issues. We worked so >> well >> >together. But this year she got a team of teachers who are known for >> >their high standards and structure (which is very good for Ava) but >> also >> >for their inflexibility and downright meanness (not so good). The >> other >> >choice (there are 2 " teams " of 6th grade teachers at her school) was >> the >> >warm fuzzy, less structured, more laid back team but I didn't pick it >> >because the guidance counselor and I thought that she'd be stressed >> by >> >the unpredictability, bored by the lack of challenge and she'd take >> over >> >the class with the laid back teachers. Ava looms very large when she >> >can (she is a natural leader but it really needs to be channeled!). >> >Your success has given me some hope that with good CBT Ava can >> overcome >> >some of the more difficult situations at school w/o accomadations >> that >> >enable. >> >Dana in NC >> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2000 Report Share Posted January 23, 2000 Hi Judy: Sorry but you have been given incorrect information. We also have had problems with the administration and teachers at Steve's school because he does very well academically and they did not understand how he would qualify as 504. Later I found out that this was a budgetary concern and he was being treated illegally. Sometimes you have to talk about bringing in someone from Protection and Advocacy. The best defence is to find out all you can about the 504 process, other moms of kids with NBDs have been very helpful to me with this. Once they see you have done your homework about the process and know the deadlines and their legal obligations you can work more effectively in this system. It was a strange process for me to go from being the mom of the school president to being in conflict with the principal and teachers but we survived this with the maximum amount of face saving possible. It is a good idea to take a parent advocate with you to meetings at first just to level out the playing field. Also one good rule I have is never, ever go to a 504 meeting without my husband (or some male supporter). Sorry for seeming sexist in my suggestion but there is a massive stereotype which can get in the way if you don't bring along this antidote :-)) What has helped is to bring in his mental health professionals to 504 meetings, to pass out the information about his three DSM-IV diagnoses from his psychiatrists and psychologists, and to explain that without help he would not be at school. As Steve has gotten older and into a larger school, there are more other kids who are 504 and academically gifted so the teachers and administrators are more familiar about how to handle these situations. Basically the school now understands that without the 504 accommodations and the services Steve gets under the Felix program he probably would not have been able to stay in school at all. This would seriously affect his education so they don't hold his good grades against him when determining his 504 eligibility. Judy, perhaps you can ask Dan's therapist to come to a meeting with the school about the 504. I have found it really helps to pay the therapist to attend these metings and it is well worth it. The school administration does not want to brush off parents in front of mental health professionals. Good luck, please keep us posted about Dan's 504 classification process. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... P.S. My apologies to any teachers on this list who might be offended by what I have written. We have also met many dedicated teachers who do a great job of understanding and helping kids like ours. They are treasures beyond compare :-)) At 10:28 PM 01/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> > >Dan's therapist said I should get a 504 for him, so I called the >guidance office. The counsellor said there was not a chance, because he >got all As and Bs first term. Unless a student is getting more than one >D, they don't give 504s. Does this sound right? > >Judy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 No, this does not sound right at all! I do not know about 504s, but with an IEP you must send a written letter asking for an evaluation and an IEP. It helps to send this letter by certified mail or hand deliver it and keep a copy for yourself. No, just because your child is making good grades does not mean some accommodations do not be need to be made. Does this also apply to children with physical disabilities? Do they need to flunk before a wheelchair ramp will be built? Patti in CA << From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> Dan's therapist said I should get a 504 for him, so I called the guidance office. The counsellor said there was not a chance, because he got all As and Bs first term. Unless a student is getting more than one D, they don't give 504s. Does this sound right? Judy >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 Dear Judy, If Dans docs recomment a 504 the school can absolutely not refuse. Give them a request in writing, you might include and IEP, and they 40 days, by law, to address it. Molly is on the honor roll and has and IEP. She gets all 90's. Her intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with OCD. She is coded " other health impaired " and is protected by the Americans Disabilities Act. You will have to be tough with the school and at the same time get them in your arena. Not always easy. I gave Mollys school the handout, " School Personnel A Critical Link " and we also all watched the movie " The Touching Tree " . Good luck, let me know if I can help in anyway. Patti R. in NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 This seems to be a common misconception on the part of school personnel. Last spring we were trying to get a modified day for Ian (attending school for the morning and sort of homeschooling in the afternoon.) The school was very supportive even though Ian rarely showed any signs of distress while at school. The counselor went ahead to submit a 504 plan but could not find a way to fill in the form to show cause. The reason being Ian's achievement at above grade level. The counselor even contacted her district supervisor who told her that children had to be two grade levels behind to got a 504. The school was able to find another route for granting our request but it really bothered me that the district would advocate letting a student fall behind before they were willing to address a problem. It made me feel like they were saying " Come see us when he has failed and we will see if we can help you then. " joy in san diego (thought I'd better change this to clear up the confusing geography message) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 Hi Jule This Terry in WI Please send me all the links that you have. I am developing a parent/ teacher resource web page and I need all the info I can find. Thanks Terry in WI Re: 504 >From: j.monnens@... > > > >Judy: > >You were sadly misinformed by the school counselor. (Why does this not >surprise me?) There are two parts of the ADA that apply to our kids, >depending on their needs. Section 504 is less stringent than IDEA, which >requires an IEP, but both are binding upon the school. Whatever >communication you make with the school should be done in writing or >otherwise documented (including phone calls). There is lots of >information online about special ed laws. I'll list some of my favorites. > >http://inform.ospi.wednet.edu/sped/Publications/504.html This has an >entire 504 manual. > >http://www.edlaw.net/ Everything you want to know about special ed laws. > >http://www.wrightslaw.com/ The 's are experts in special ed law; >they have a free email newsletter called The Special Ed Advocate. > >http://www.infocom.com/~intern/ This is an advocacy site with lots of >excellent links. > >I have many more, but this should help you get started. You can also >contact your state office of education and ask for information regarding > special ed laws in your state. > >Jule in Cleveland > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 Judy: You were sadly misinformed by the school counselor. (Why does this not surprise me?) There are two parts of the ADA that apply to our kids, depending on their needs. Section 504 is less stringent than IDEA, which requires an IEP, but both are binding upon the school. Whatever communication you make with the school should be done in writing or otherwise documented (including phone calls). There is lots of information online about special ed laws. I'll list some of my favorites. http://inform.ospi.wednet.edu/sped/Publications/504.html This has an entire 504 manual. http://www.edlaw.net/ Everything you want to know about special ed laws. http://www.wrightslaw.com/ The 's are experts in special ed law; they have a free email newsletter called The Special Ed Advocate. http://www.infocom.com/~intern/ This is an advocacy site with lots of excellent links. I have many more, but this should help you get started. You can also contact your state office of education and ask for information regarding special ed laws in your state. Jule in Cleveland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 HI Robin: A " 504 " is similar yet different than an IEP. It refers to legislation protecting people's civil rights and to prevent discrimination and refers to the section # of the legislation. The modification plan (MP) which we have for Steve as a result of the 504 is similar to an IEP (individualized educational plan) which is under special education or IDEA (individuals with disabilities in education act). There are some excellent Internet sites about this; my favorite resource has been other moms with kids with NBDs who have battled the system ahead of me. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... P.S. Here the school gets extra federal funds if a kid has an IEP although it is more paperwork and effort than an MP under 504. It is a tricky situation dealing with ignorance among educators. K. At 09:03 PM 01/23/2000 -0800, you wrote: >From: Jay and Robin Tzucker <rjtzuckr@...> > >HI, >I keep seeing this coming up, and I have to ask, " what is a 504 " ? Is it >like an IEP or is this something different? > >Thanks, >Robin in WA > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 Hi Judy: I know I wrote on this already but I did want to be clear that I got the right royal runaround/brush off at Steve's school about the 504 eligibility even though I had a letter from his psychiatrist with two of his three diagnoses listed and a statement that he was 504 eligible. This letter was on letterhead from the leading Children's Hospital in our state and it still caused paralysis. I even joked that the school was in denial longer than we the family were! Sometimes you just have to rattle a few cages. Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 07:41 AM 01/24/2000 -0500, you wrote: >From: " Patti R. " <pross@...> > >Dear Judy, > >If Dans docs recomment a 504 the school can absolutely not refuse. Give >them a request in writing, you might include and IEP, and they 40 days, by >law, to address it. >Molly is on the honor roll and has and IEP. She gets all 90's. Her >intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with OCD. She is coded " other >health impaired " and is protected by the Americans Disabilities Act. >You will have to be tough with the school and at the same time get them in >your arena. Not always easy. I gave Mollys school the handout, " School >Personnel A Critical Link " and we also all watched the movie " The Touching >Tree " . >Good luck, let me know if I can help in anyway. > >Patti R. in NH > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 This is really just a lack of knowledge on the part of the school district. A 504 covers disabilities. So if a kid has a disability he has to fail to get a 504? The school needs to do their homework. Kathy Hamm and have some great sites for 504's & IEP's. the 504 comes under the " Americans With Disabilites Act " and basically says that children have the right to learn. Even if their disability is not visible. I get so tired of people punishing Molly because she looks normal, gets good grades and has OCD. It's like they just won't buy it. As I said to one person " do you think a parent would make something like this up? " Our kids are different. They do have disabilities and they are protected by law. And the school cannot refuse them. Patti R. in NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 HI Patti: I can really relate to what you said about our kids looking normal, getting good grades and having OCD and very few understand their challenges or give them much credit. On the other hand it really helps them to be treated as if they are without any disability. SOmetimes I would really like it for Steve's teachers to appreciate his accomplishments (like coping with teenage teasing and keeping relatively cool, trying not to be perfect, controlling his anxiety) which they seem to take for granted. Aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 04:37 PM 01/24/2000 -0500, you wrote: >From: " Patti R. " <pross@...> > >This is really just a lack of knowledge on the part of the school district. >A 504 covers disabilities. So if a kid has a disability he has to fail to >get a 504? The school needs to do their homework. > >Kathy Hamm and have some great sites for 504's & IEP's. the 504 comes >under the " Americans With Disabilites Act " and basically says that children >have the right to learn. Even if their disability is not visible. > >I get so tired of people punishing Molly because she looks normal, gets good >grades and has OCD. It's like they just won't buy it. As I said to one >person " do you think a parent would make something like this up? " > >Our kids are different. They do have disabilities and they are protected by >law. And the school cannot refuse them. > >Patti R. in NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2000 Report Share Posted January 25, 2000 Thanks for that advice. I will certainly continue to pursue it and follow your suggestions. Judy Kathy Hammes wrote: > > From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> > > Hi Judy: > > Sorry but you have been given incorrect information. We also have had > problems with the administration and teachers at Steve's school > because he > does very well academically and they did not understand how he would > qualify as 504. Later I found out that this was a budgetary concern > and he > was being treated illegally. > > Sometimes you have to talk about bringing in someone from Protection > and > Advocacy. The best defence is to find out all you can about the 504 > process, other moms of kids with NBDs have been very helpful to me > with > this. Once they see you have done your homework about the process and > know > the deadlines and their legal obligations you can work more > effectively in > this system. > > It was a strange process for me to go from being the mom of the school > president to being in conflict with the principal and teachers but we > survived this with the maximum amount of face saving possible. It is > a > good idea to take a parent advocate with you to meetings at first just > to > level out the playing field. Also one good rule I have is never, ever > go > to a 504 meeting without my husband (or some male supporter). Sorry > for > seeming sexist in my suggestion but there is a massive stereotype > which can > get in the way if you don't bring along this antidote :-)) > > What has helped is to bring in his mental health professionals to 504 > meetings, to pass out the information about his three DSM-IV diagnoses > from > his psychiatrists and psychologists, and to explain that without help > he > would not be at school. As Steve has gotten older and into a larger > school, there are more other kids who are 504 and academically gifted > so > the teachers and administrators are more familiar about how to handle > these > situations. > > Basically the school now understands that without the 504 > accommodations > and the services Steve gets under the Felix program he probably would > not > have been able to stay in school at all. This would seriously affect > his > education so they don't hold his good grades against him when > determining > his 504 eligibility. > > Judy, perhaps you can ask Dan's therapist to come to a meeting with > the > school about the 504. I have found it really helps to pay the > therapist to > attend these metings and it is well worth it. The school > administration > does not want to brush off parents in front of mental health > professionals. > > Good luck, please keep us posted about Dan's 504 classification > process. > Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) > kathyh@... > > P.S. My apologies to any teachers on this list who might be offended > by > what I have written. We have also met many dedicated teachers who do > a > great job of understanding and helping kids like ours. They are > treasures > beyond compare :-)) > > At 10:28 PM 01/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> > > > >Dan's therapist said I should get a 504 for him, so I called the > >guidance office. The counsellor said there was not a chance, because > he > >got all As and Bs first term. Unless a student is getting more than > one > >D, they don't give 504s. Does this sound right? > > > >Judy > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2000 Report Share Posted January 25, 2000 Thanks for your support. You give me encouragement. Judy " Patti R. " wrote: > > From: " Patti R. " <pross@...> > > Dear Judy, > > If Dans docs recomment a 504 the school can absolutely not refuse. > Give > them a request in writing, you might include and IEP, and they 40 > days, by > law, to address it. > Molly is on the honor roll and has and IEP. She gets all 90's. Her > intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with OCD. She is coded > " other > health impaired " and is protected by the Americans Disabilities Act. > You will have to be tough with the school and at the same time get > them in > your arena. Not always easy. I gave Mollys school the handout, > " School > Personnel A Critical Link " and we also all watched the movie " The > Touching > Tree " . > Good luck, let me know if I can help in anyway. > > Patti R. in NH > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2000 Report Share Posted January 25, 2000 Aint it the truth? Thanks for your support. Judy kelbro wrote: > > From: " kelbro " <kelbro@...> > > Hi Judy > > This is Terry in WI > > It doesn't sound right to me. I don't believe that grades are the > onlycriteria. > We have a IEP for my daughter ( which is different from a 504 plan ) > because > She toe walks and it was affecting her physical development ( > playground > activities )and consequently her self esteem. Her grades have always > been > excellent All " A's " except Py Ed. > > The education kids receive at school is more than the 3 Rs. It's also > physical, emotional and social development. > > I will send you the links that I have concerning this subject and I > would > guess that if you have a formal dx that he qualifies for a 504 plan > which > can be nothing more than time to leave the room to compose himself or > a > " safe " person to talk to. > > I get so tired of hearing things like this, The educators are supposed > to be > the ones with all the knowledge. If they would only realize that the > more > the teachers help our kids the less anxiety they will have, the fewer > symptoms they will have which means that the teachers will have to > deal with > less. Why is this so hard for some of them to understand ????? > > Good Luck and be STRONG > > Terry in WI > 504 > > >From: " Judith C. Lovchik " <jlovchik@...> > > > >Dan's therapist said I should get a 504 for him, so I called the > >guidance office. The counsellor said there was not a chance, because > he > >got all As and Bs first term. Unless a student is getting more than > one > >D, they don't give 504s. Does this sound right? > > > >Judy > > > >Kathy Hammes wrote: > >> > >> From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> > >> > >> Hi Dana: > >> > >> Please don't beat yourself up about the time spent/wasted in > dealing > >> with > >> OCD. For all of us this is a learning process. For our family it > has > >> literally taken years, months and months to figure out there was a > >> real > >> problem, months to figure out what it was and then over a year to > find > >> an > >> effective treatment team. > >> > >> At first I also set up Steve's 504 to allow avoidance and prevented > >> teachers from interacting therapeutically with him. Once he was > able > >> to > >> learn CBT then we changed the 504 to reinforce his bossing back and > >> involve > >> the teachers more therapeutically with him. It is just too early > to > >> set up > >> a 504 with zero enabling until our kids have learned the necessary > >> skills > >> to boss back OCD on their own. It is counterproductive for our > kids > >> to get > >> punished for OCD behaviors they are only just starting to learn how > to > >> control. > >> > >> Changing the 504 has been a bit confusing for the teachers who seem > >> more > >> accustomed to doing the same thing for a long time. However each > year > >> there is a new team of teachers and you can start again at square > one > >> depending on Ava's progress with her CBT/E & RP. The perseverating > >> behaviors > >> seem particularly irksome to the teachers. For Steve this would > >> manifest > >> in having to have the last word in classroom discussions. The > >> teachers > >> really appreciated working on getting him to reduce these > behaviors. > >> > >> We have also faced the structured vs. non-structured/less > structured > >> educational experience. Strangely enough the structured seems to > work > >> the > >> best. What we do is use humor about the situations when the > teachers > >> do > >> stuff which is not the best approach for managing OCD. Luckily > >> Steve's CBT > >> therapist has helped the teachers with suggestions about how to > handle > >> his > >> OCD sxs in the classroom and this seems to allay their fears. They > >> seem > >> relieved to have a non-parent resource to answer their questions. > >> > >> Ava has already come a long way and will continue to make strides > >> against > >> her OCD. We notice every few months that Steve is managing things > >> better > >> than before, it is surprising how lengthy yet persistent the > >> improvement is. > >> > >> Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) > >> kathyh@... > >> > >> At 04:11 PM 01/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >> >From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...> > >> > > >> >Hi Kathy, > >> >This really is good news. I am inspired for sure. Needing to > finish > >> >things is definitely one of Ava's issues too and it is good to see > >> how > >> >successful ERP is in dealing with this one as well as the others. > >> Since > >> >Ava hasn't had the opportunity to learn ERP we've spent (wasted?) > so > >> >much time trying to change the environment so that she can be okay > >> the > >> >way she is. Her 504 plan allows her extra time to finish things. > >> While > >> >this has worked in a temporary way I'm really looking forward to > >> finding > >> >a doc who can work with all of us using CBT instead of just meds. > >> >It's hard to figure out what is support/advocacy and what is > enabling > >> - > >> >at least it's hard for me anyway! I think lately I've been doing > >> more > >> >enabling, partly I think due to the changes of middle school. > Last > >> year > >> >she had one teacher instead of seven and she was so good that I > >> trusted > >> >her to help sort out the support vs enabling issues. We worked so > >> well > >> >together. But this year she got a team of teachers who are known > for > >> >their high standards and structure (which is very good for Ava) > but > >> also > >> >for their inflexibility and downright meanness (not so good). The > >> other > >> >choice (there are 2 " teams " of 6th grade teachers at her school) > was > >> the > >> >warm fuzzy, less structured, more laid back team but I didn't pick > it > >> >because the guidance counselor and I thought that she'd be > stressed > >> by > >> >the unpredictability, bored by the lack of challenge and she'd > take > >> over > >> >the class with the laid back teachers. Ava looms very large when > she > >> >can (she is a natural leader but it really needs to be > channeled!). > >> >Your success has given me some hope that with good CBT Ava can > >> overcome > >> >some of the more difficult situations at school w/o accomadations > >> that > >> >enable. > >> >Dana in NC > >> > > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> [ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2000 Report Share Posted February 6, 2000 Hi Kathy, We use something similar to the dog tag system you describe. The homework is posted on a web site and I check it every night and make sure that Ava completes her assignments. The problem is she sometimes doesn't remember to turn them in. I'm not sure if that is what has lowered her grades though, my fear is that the teacher who gave her a C was doing so to punish her. Other parents have reported this with the same teacher. I will find out more soon! Dana in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2000 Report Share Posted February 6, 2000 Hi Dana: The not-turned in assignment problem is one we have also had to cope with. Sometimes they would get contaminated and other times perhaps forgotten. With the dog tag system when you confirm that the assignment is completed, it is Ava's responsibility to turn it in and the teacher's responsibility to help her do this. Sometimes you just have to write off a teacher here and there. Good luck, keep us posted. Aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 09:56 PM 02/06/2000 -0500, you wrote: >From: Dana Carvalho <clayvon@...> > >Hi Kathy, >We use something similar to the dog tag system you describe. The >homework is posted on a web site and I check it every night and make >sure that Ava completes her assignments. The problem is she sometimes >doesn't remember to turn them in. I'm not sure if that is what has >lowered her grades though, my fear is that the teacher who gave her a C >was doing so to punish her. Other parents have reported this with the >same teacher. I will find out more soon! >Dana in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 Theresa, Thank you so much for responding to my plea for help! This is the second time that you have come to my rescue and I appreciate it more than you will ever realize. Bless you! mary from La. Theresa wrote: > Re: 504 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> > If you specify what symptoms are most difficult at school I can try to > think of specific accommodations. Dr. Dornbush's book, " Taming the Tiger " has lots of great suggestions. Kathy, Pardon me, I could not resist giving you a hard time about this.....What book is this again? LOL. For those of you who are not aware of this book, it's TEACHING the Tiger, lest you be misguided. Aureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Hi AUreen: Oops! I mispoke - must have been a untamed behavior day at home <VBG>. You are quite right it is entitled " TEaching the Tiger " . Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa, sixteen lashes with a wet noodle for giving our misinformation. I think every school should have several copies of this book. Maybe for the new year we can think about donating one to our kid's school library for professional development. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... P.S. I wonder if there is a good book by that wrong title, ....hmmm.....:-)) P.P.S. I promise to control my OCD book hoarding by giving them away. ..... At 05:49 PM 01/04/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> >> If you specify what symptoms are most difficult at school I can try to >> think of specific accommodations. Dr. Dornbush's book, " Taming the >Tiger " has lots of great suggestions. > >Kathy, >Pardon me, I could not resist giving you a hard time about this.....What >book is this again? LOL. > >For those of you who are not aware of this book, it's TEACHING the Tiger, >lest you be misguided. > >Aureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 In a message dated 9/3/2004 9:13:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, justinsmom87@... writes: I have actually just asked his counselor for a printed copy of his current 504 plan to update my records, so if you wanted to see what one looks like, let me know. Beth, thank you! Yes I would love to see it. Janet, mom to Brittany, CVID, age 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2004 Report Share Posted September 3, 2004 From: Beth, Mom to Wade, 17, CVID,etc. Janet, Wade is now 17 & has used either an IEP or a 504 plan for the last 4 years. Here in Michigan, the biggest difference is that if you have an IEP, you must be receiving Special Ed services. The stand alone program that Wade chose to enroll in within the high school, has a policy that you can not be on special ed & be enrolled in their program, apparently some sort of " conflict of services' issue. So we changed to a 504 plan, almost 2 years ago. We have had very few if any real problems with Wade's needs being met under a 504. We just sat at a meeting & told his counselor & the school psychologist what we felt, as parents, needed to be covered & they vocalized what they felt he needed covered from an educators standpoint & that was it. I would probably ask your daughter's primary doctor for his or her input as well. I have actually just asked his counselor for a printed copy of his current 504 plan to update my records, so if you wanted to see what one looks like, let me know. If I can answer anything further, please feel free to contact me. Good Luck! Beth >From: BBsmart2@... >Reply- > >Subject: 504 >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:38:44 EDT > >I need help with getting a 504 plan together. I meet with the school next >week. >Can anyone help me? > >Thanks, >Janet, mom to Brittany, CVID, age 13 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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