Re: Digest Number 1187

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Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:56:41 EDT

From: " Jerry " <jerrycam@...>

Subject: Re: CN content in vit B12

Hi,

After the concern for cyanide toxicity from cyanocobalamine, I got curious

enough to do a few calculations.

Cyanocobalamine is 1.9% CN by weight. So a 1 mg dose of cyanocobalamine

would contain 19ug (micrograms - ASCII doesn't do Greek 'mu' but u looks

close) of CN.

A toxic dose of HCN for an average person (presumably average size and

health) is 50-60 mg (from Merck Index). A PWC may be more susceptible to HCN

poisoning because of the low blood volume (factor of 2 or so IMO) and liver

detox dysfunction (maybe another 2-4X IMO). That MIGHT make a toxic dose for

a PWC as low as 6mg.

CN should not accumulate over a period of weeks. It will turn over thru

liver detox, and excretion of CN-bound heme.

Overall, IMO, while 5mg of CN-B12 is not a toxic dose, even if repeated

every 2 days, it does come to within about a factor of 50 of a toxic dose.

That probably represents a significant drain on detox pathways, and may for

some represent a noticable energy and nutrient reserve drain. Hydroxy form,

or methyl form, would be preferable.

---

I get my hydroxycobalamine from Pharmacy on the Park; (800) 654-3115. Sorry

but I don't know price.

Jerry >>

This is valuable info for me Jerry as I also have HepC and try to keep toxins

at a minimum. My Dr said that the pain from the Hydro was the prob w/ him

Rxing it. I think I can't wait to fwd your post to him. This may help me

alot. Do you notice a prob w/ pain at the injection site? Is this what he's

talking about? I'm assuming you take it too, in which case can you tell me

how it's helped you? Did you get reduction in red blood cell size? I'm

grateful for your help.

June

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Hi June, I take the Hydroxy shots and I notice no difference in pain between

them and Cyanocobalamin. a

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I get my hydroxy from Wellness Pharmacy. I take 10 mg/day and it cost $82

for 1 month supply. Many people can get by on half this dose. Wellness

800-227-2627. Steve Bullock

Re: CN content in vit B12

>

> Hi,

>

> After the concern for cyanide toxicity from cyanocobalamine, I got

curious

> enough to do a few calculations.

>

> Cyanocobalamine is 1.9% CN by weight. So a 1 mg dose of cyanocobalamine

> would contain 19ug (micrograms - ASCII doesn't do Greek 'mu' but u looks

> close) of CN.

> A toxic dose of HCN for an average person (presumably average size and

> health) is 50-60 mg (from Merck Index). A PWC may be more susceptible to

HCN

> poisoning because of the low blood volume (factor of 2 or so IMO) and

liver

> detox dysfunction (maybe another 2-4X IMO). That MIGHT make a toxic dose

for

> a PWC as low as 6mg.

> CN should not accumulate over a period of weeks. It will turn over thru

> liver detox, and excretion of CN-bound heme.

>

> Overall, IMO, while 5mg of CN-B12 is not a toxic dose, even if repeated

> every 2 days, it does come to within about a factor of 50 of a toxic

dose.

> That probably represents a significant drain on detox pathways, and may

for

> some represent a noticable energy and nutrient reserve drain. Hydroxy

form,

> or methyl form, would be preferable.

>

> ---

> I get my hydroxycobalamine from Pharmacy on the Park; (800) 654-3115.

Sorry

> but I don't know price.

>

> Jerry >>

>

> This is valuable info for me Jerry as I also have HepC and try to keep

toxins

> at a minimum. My Dr said that the pain from the Hydro was the prob w/ him

> Rxing it. I think I can't wait to fwd your post to him. This may help me

> alot. Do you notice a prob w/ pain at the injection site? Is this what

he's

> talking about? I'm assuming you take it too, in which case can you tell

me

> how it's helped you? Did you get reduction in red blood cell size? I'm

> grateful for your help.

> June

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

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On the subject of cyanide poisoning, my wife was talking to a

veterinarian who told her that cyanide blocks oxygen transport in some

way. Something to think about if we already have O2 metabolism

problems.

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Hi, all.

I would just like to make one thing perfectly clear.

Dr. does not manufacture or sell any of those

products and does not get any profit from any of those

products. She reccomends certain products and insists

that they need to be uncontaminated. She does not have

any thing to do with the product called " ia " . She

is a scientist who has found through her research that

these herbs, etc. are beneficial. Her son, Geoff, does

sell products at Self Health that are pretty much

manufactured to Dr. 's specifications.

Dr. gave away just about everything, the herbs

she reccomends, the directions for making the devices

she reccomends. The protocols she has found useful.

There are people all over the place who use her

protocols (or a version of same) sell the products she

has reccomended (or versions of the same) and use her

name in one way or another. It does not mean that she

has anything to do with them or receives any benefit

from their sales.

Just thought I would let you know.

Jan Bolen

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Hi, all.

I would just like to make one thing perfectly clear.

Dr. does not manufacture or sell any of those

products and does not get any profit from any of those

products. She reccomends certain products and insists

that they need to be uncontaminated. She does not have

any thing to do with the product called " ia " . She

is a scientist who has found through her research that

these herbs, etc. are beneficial. Her son, Geoff, does

sell products at Self Health that are pretty much

manufactured to Dr. 's specifications.

Dr. gave away just about everything, the herbs

she reccomends, the directions for making the devices

she reccomends. The protocols she has found useful.

There are people all over the place who use her

protocols (or a version of same) sell the products she

has reccomended (or versions of the same) and use her

name in one way or another. It does not mean that she

has anything to do with them or receives any benefit

from their sales.

Just thought I would let you know.

Jan Bolen

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LOL,- well that was certainly expected.

I'll be leaving the forum now, so you can back off on your BP meds... -

Others who I have responded to privately know I was gathering some Lay links

and support group info for a lecture series on illness associated with

indoor air quality for the insurance industry and medical residents.

I in fact have many pts who suffer from just this illness, I am involved in

not only their own care - [ to use the word _treatment_ would in fact be the

pompous part ] but also their medical -legal support for disability

as it applies to my field of occupational medicine.

Most of my patients are elem/middle school teachers and the information they

provide concerning the health and performance of their charges has been of

inestimable value in discussion with school boards in effecting change. I

am a consultant to the regional remediation industry concerning their

workers health and exposure as well. You of course understand the sensitive

nature of this topic and so would understand why much of this is kept very

quiet and out of the national spotlight.

While there is much useful here I am most impressed by the same tenor of the

participants - identical to my previous " exposure " for the same purposes to

the CFS and upper extremity overuse syndrome lists. We would probably

disagree on exactly why that is important....

Since you have no idea at all of my opinion of Dr. Lipsey and since I made

no reference to him at all I can only question your own integrity when you

slander me in a public forum...see paragraph above.

But you are correct in questioning my presence on this board. I have nothing

to offer the participants here and on similar lists. I

subscribe/unsubscribe in a few weeks once I've gathered the information I

need.

Thank you to Dr. Lipsey and the others' whose posts and references have now

helped the not only my own but just over 150 of the very same people so many

here on the list find unresponsive and illprepared for their needs.

But, ; PLease remember the old saying about being able to laugh at

oneself...

Dr. Dunne

Barth wrote:

Excuse me, your professional highness, I can't help but invite your

pompous pristine presence into one of the affected homes for just a

week's luxury stay in one of the homes of a member of this list (not a

cult by any means). This is *free* lodging where you'll be in complete

intimacy with no interruptions (Unless you bring your cell phone).

Perhaps you will return to the list refreshed and ready to merge

rather than mock.

I question your presence on this list. Further, I question your slam

against the fine Dr. Lippsey who has worked endlessly to help many here

and who continues to expand his knowledge of this blight. This list

has been like a candle in the dark to the entire world. I know because

I receive letters from news reporters round the world. I also know all

about the politics of occupational medicine.

Barth

SBS: MY STORY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbsstory.html

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:

Are there recipes for coooking with lard as well?

Thanks for the tip!

Lard

This month's " saveur " magazine shows you how to render lard step by

step...don't have it in front of me at the moment. By the way, " leaf lard "

is the best kind for baking according to pastry chefs. It comes from around

the kidneys.

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Hi Sophia!!!

There is a pie crust recipe (not very NT as the flour is not soaked) that looks

yummy, maybe for a holiday treat. I'm sure some of the recipes on the Louisiana

pig fest include lard, but I don't have the mag in front of me now. You can

flip through it at B & N to see if it's worth buying. It would be under the food

or travel mag section. Personally, if I had some good lard, I'd make my

favorite food in the whole world: french fries! Healthy deep fried foods?

Who'd a thunk it!!!

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From: Knapinsky, Sophia

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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:02 AM

Subject: RE: Digest Number 1187

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Are there recipes for coooking with lard as well?

Thanks for the tip!

Lard

This month's " saveur " magazine shows you how to render lard step by

step...don't have it in front of me at the moment. By the way, " leaf lard "

is the best kind for baking according to pastry chefs. It comes from around

the kidneys.

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I will be out of the office until the afternoon of Monday 5th April

2004

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re: Mental Health in older people

Havering Public Health Dept in collaboration with Health visitors were

running a Tai Chi Programme for older people. Perhaps the Havering Senate

members could link up and offer you more info

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>Subject: Digest Number 1187

>Date: 31 Mar 2004 20:45:59 -0000

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>There are 6 messages in this issue.

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>Topics in this digest:

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> 1. Inquiry

> From: " Manning " <chris.manning@...>

> 2. RE: " Pathways "

> From: " " <.@...>

> 3. RE: Digest Number 1185

> From: " Gill Newell " <gill.newell@...>

> 4. Re: " Pathways "

> From: " Ruth Grant " <ruth@...>

> 5. Re: Inquiry

> From: " Ruth Grant " <ruth@...>

> 6. Re: " Pathways "

> From: " Val Thurtle " <thurtlvj@...>

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>Message: 1

> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:34:36 +0100

> From: " Manning " <chris.manning@...>

>Subject: Inquiry

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>Dear Excellent Folks of the Forum

>

>The mental health promotion charity mentality has been commissioned

>by Age Concern and the Mental Health Foundation to complete a review into

>mental health + well being in later life. The review is the first stage of

>a

>three year joint inquiry which will consider promotion, prevention +

>provision

>

>The promotion of mental health and well being among older people is an area

>of concern which has, to date, largely been ignored. Responsibility for it

>has tended to fall between mental health professionals and those working

>with

>older people and therefore it has remained a low priority on most agendas.

>It is often assumed that old age is linked inevitably with failing health,

>poverty, dependency, isolation and depression and yet there is much that

>can

>be

>done to promote the mental health of older people.

>

>At the current time mentality are asking two questions:

>

>1 - Are there any key background studies that people are aware of which

>would

>provide information of relevance to mental health promotion or any

>published evidence for effective approaches to promoting the mental health

>and well being of older people? (they are not including pharmacological

>interventions in the review)

>

>2 - Are there any models of good practice that people are aware of in the

>UK

>which support the promotion of mental health among older people?

>

>Any help/assistance/expertise/evidence that any of you can provide via

>myself will

>be passed on to mentality directly.

>

>Very Best Wishes

>

>Manning

>www.primhe.org <http://www.primhe.org/>

>www.depressionalliance.org <http://www.depressionalliance.org/>

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>Message: 2

> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:09:45 +0100

> From: " " <.@...>

>Subject: RE: " Pathways "

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>Yes we are also looking to develop some care pathways, to make explicit the

>work of the Health Visitors. I agree these do seem to be the language of

>colleagues, it annoys me that we have to continually prove our worth!!! I

>would be interested in sharing any information, if we are all doing the

>same thing it may be worth focusing on different areas and then pulling

>what we have.

>

>Harrow

>

> Re: " Pathways "

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>I too would be interested in 'care pathways' for families as these seem to

>be the current language of colleagues.

>Ruth

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> " Pathways "

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>Hi

>Has anyone any information about developing health visiting care pathways

>for families? I would be grateful for any information or comments anyone

>might have

>Thanks

> Goulden

>jgoulden@...

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In a message dated 8/28/2005 7:36:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Hepatitis C writes:

Visceral pain, classified as pain affecting 'soft' organs and body

tissues, or viscera, is an extremely common condition that can be severely

debilitating. Most people will have experienced this form of pain, which can

range from mild discomfort (e.g. that associated with indigestion or mild

gastro-oesophageal reflux) to excruciating agony (e.g. renal colic, severe

irritable bowel syndrome etc). For many patients, visceral pain can be part

of a complex syndrome involving pain signals from a number of organs and

tissues - typical of cancer related pain - making it difficult for patients

to identify.

Hey Pam..

how have you been? This is an interesting article..it is just too bad

doctors are 'skiddish'

now cuz of all the negative oxy hype going on. Medicines DO have their

proper place and

are needed...I ABSOLUTELY do not believe anyone should be in pain if not

necessary.

Morphine is so short acting and many people it does not agree with well..me

being one.

I know Methadone has been used for years..on children with Cancer..it works

on pain in

the bones and is long acting. I never thought about our soft internal

organs when in pain

what really helps till now..they seem to just give us Vicodin..that's it!!

Take Care..

Hope all is Well..

Am going thru a mix-up and mess with room mate..he was released from

Hospital last

Sunday nite..and at 10 that nite..this truck pulls up with all this Oxygen

and machines..

We have NO clue what to do with all this..except i do know..we should of

gotten a

r type one to take out for excursions of sorts..they said our Dr. has

to order it, yet

he has NO dr..so in process of finding one under MEDICAL...not easy..they

just want

to send you to these cllinics..the ones that are left..and more crowded due

to shutting

down others !!! Our health system is a mess !!! it is a shame, plain and

simple...

I hope to talk to you soon..

-Sue