Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 Hi all, I need some support, I am wondering I am going to homeschool my daughter Brittany she is almost three and all her therapist and Developmental Disabilities are trying to push me into putting her in the public school system. Why? I keep telling them most children do not go to school at three and I feel like she is to attached to Mommy to go, I believe in attachment parenting and public schools would break into my child's routine of life at this time. How do I tell them this is my decision and back off in a nice way? I feel Brittany will get more at home from me and it is funny they know she is more comfortable in her home environment. So again why the pushing? Clue me in please! My children are my life. a Mom of Brittany and na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 In a message dated 7/7/00 2:06:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, doshiwoo297@... writes: << I need some support, I am wondering I am going to homeschool my daughter Brittany she is almost three and all her therapist and Developmental Disabilities are trying to push me into putting her in the public school system. Why? >> I know it is just TYPICAL that they automatically enroll children with learning disabilities as soon as they turn 3. You CAN refuse though. I know you from the Vaccine board and I'm not sure how much help you have gotten thus far. Are you aware that you can get a TSS? They will come to your house and help you there to find ways of teaching brittney. You did say previously that she is Just starting to roll over, right? There are a lot of things you can work on at home. ANd, you can get up to 40 hours a week of in home help. My neighbors son is autistic and though she did choose to send him to the IU school, she is still homeschooling a small amount. She got some special catalogs with materials in designed for children with special needs. She also found teh state will pay for some of the materials! And, she got some books on setting up schedules. You may just want to journal to show things you are working on with brittney and how she responds. www.diapers.bizland.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 A neighbor and good friend of ours has five children and is homeschooling 3 of them...including a daughter who has cerebral palsy and is in a wheelchair. This past year they enrolled her in the public school for 2 hours each morning, to get some exta help. It was a dual enrollment. The principal and superintendent pressured them to enroll her full time this Fall. They seriously considered it; however, after talking with a teacher friend, found out an interesting tidbit....I guess (atleast here in Iowa) school systems were getting a certain amount of money to have disabled children in the classrooms; however, as of this Fall that amount will be cut off for part-time students...they must be full time. With these friends of ours, I do not believe the principal was this really caring man, but rather I believe it was money motivated for the district, which is sad. This may be happening somewhat in your case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 The answer is simple, it is out of the norm. In my opinion & that is all it is as long as your child is receiving her social skills from playgroups or whatever, I think it is wonderful that you are so patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 You could push to have the therapists visit her at home or you could also just bring her to a public school for the various therapies themselves and then home school her. I've seen both done in my district and I was a teacher for children with special needs. Half of the time those classes for children with special needs have like 10-12 kids in them and they are usually pretty severe or else they could be in a class with regular and special needs children in class sizes up to 25 here in Milwaukee. I would think that would be very scarey for a 3 yr. old. And then the district will go and let them ride the bus by themselves too! Half the time the kids are just doing free play or working on social skills all of which can be done in play groups anyhow. Re:Homeschooling > Hi all, > I need some support, I am wondering I am going to homeschool my > daughter Brittany she is almost three and all her therapist and Developmental > Disabilities are trying to push me into putting her in the public school > system. > Why? > I keep telling them most children do not go to school at three and I feel > like > she is to attached to Mommy to go, I believe in attachment parenting and > public schools would break into my child's routine of life at this time. > How do I tell them this is my decision and back off in a nice way? > I feel Brittany will get more at home from me and it is funny they know she > is more comfortable in her home environment. > So again why the pushing? > Clue me in please! > My children are my life. > a Mom of Brittany and na > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CatalogLink offers hundreds of catalogs for FREE! > Click here to find the latest and greatest in the > world of catalogs - check out our featured Picks of the Week > and also look to enter our $500 catalog shopping spree! > 1/6068/10/_/489317/_/962993119/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 Thanks I was not thinking about the money issue but sad to say your probably correct, I know my husband and I are the only one that looks out for her best interest and I just feel at three she needs to learn high self esteem and know that she's a leader, peer pressure on an average intelligence can be hard Well I know you all know what I mean. I am very attached to my little girls and I am not ready to give that up just yet I love Brittany too much to sacrifice her to people I know nothing about or should I say no nothing about Brittany. Babbling on! a Mom of Brittany and na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 kd1219 writes: < OTHERS: Please don't start a heated debate on this subject. It is not for everyone as I said. Most people who are against homeschooling know little or none of the facts about the subject and it is useless to argue with someone like that.> Well, I don't want to start a heated debate, but I've always wondered a few things about home schooling, some of which you have already answered. What about subjects that the parent knows little or nothing about? Let's say that your children wanted to learn a second language and you were not bi-lingual. How are they given mandatory proficiency tests? Do they have to follow the required curriculum? Do you buy their books or are they provided? I assume that they still have to take their shots, whether or not they're enrolled? How do you manage to teach more than one at a time if they are studying different subjects, or the same one at different levels? This is an interesting topic. {s} luthien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2000 Report Share Posted October 7, 2000 On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:59:23 EDT luthienx@... writes: > > Well, I don't want to start a heated debate, but I've always > wondered a few > things about home schooling, some of which you have already > answered. What > about subjects that the parent knows little or nothing about? Let's > say that > your children wanted to learn a second language and you were not > bi-lingual. > How are they given mandatory proficiency tests? Do they have to > follow the > required curriculum? Do you buy their books or are they provided? > I assume > that they still have to take their shots, whether or not they're > enrolled? > How do you manage to teach more than one at a time if they are > studying > different subjects, or the same one at different levels? > > This is an interesting topic. In Oregon, students are required to take tests at a central location in their school district. My friend Diane is a home school instructor. She is paid privately by the parents when she is in tutor capacity, and is paid by the state when she is in instructor capacity...checking up on the home schoolers curriculum and all that..testing. The kids in homeschooling get together twice a week for instruction and for help in their subjects at sattelite schools. My sister, who is home schooling her son, has hired a tutor for math and also uses online internet help. She is in Idaho. Tim still has to go to a public school to take his proficiency tests in that state too. Yes, Tim follows a curriculum but he works at his own pace...which is pretty fast. Each level has testing. Again he still has to pass those proficiency tests so it does no good to cheat (like my sister would hahahaha...she's a stickler for honesty). I can't answer the other questions but hope this helps on a couple... Karin ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2000 Report Share Posted October 7, 2000 I work in downtown DC, across the street from the Old Post Office Pavilion, where lots of groups from out of town perform. Last year there was a large high school choral group that performed, and when I asked one of the parents about them, I was told they were a homeschooling group from Texas. Which, for me, answered a whole lot of questions about more social activities such as music or field trips! My kids and I would never have survived homeschooling, but I applaud those parents who are able to do the job. I'm sure that being able to move ahead at their own pace is a great help for the kids, especially bright ones who may go faster than the average class. I know I spent much of my school time being bored to death waiting for other people to catch up. Also, for dwarf kids, it certainly does solve the problems of accessibility, as was so well pointed out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2000 Report Share Posted October 7, 2000 Answers to some of the questions: As for the social development - phys ed, music, group activities - all that was answered on my original post. When are the strings cut? - My daughters could have left home to go to college but choose to stay home and attend a local college. There are also independent study college courses and you can " homeschool " all the way through college as well. The girls did not really want to do that but now say they may take some of their courses at home. The classes they are currently taking, they have not been impressed with the instructors. They said they do NOT " teach " and if they are going to do it all on their own what do they need a teacher for! Some homeschool students start their college classes early in high school and many graduate early. Each state has different rules that govern homeschoolers - some are very strict and others are not. In my state, most homeschool under the church-school guidelines. The state does not regulate the church-schools at all other than to require attendence records be kept on all students. Each church-school that offers the homeschooling option has its own requirements and some are MORE stict than public or private schools. Each group decides whether to require standardized testing and how often (we usually tested every other year). Each group also sets its own graduation requirements - # of credits, what subjects, certain test score, GED, etc. With all the groups - the parents are required to maintain attendance records, grades, journal or lesson plans for each day, purchase their own curriculum, pay tuition (either a per mth or per year charge), submit records to the group, etc. Most groups (if not all) have certified teachers who oversee, review records, advise as needed, etc. Curriculum - Parents purchase their own curriculums and there are more to choose from than you could possibly imagine!!! I was flabbergasted with what is available out there. You can purchase the same textbooks that are in the public schools, or texts used by Christian schools, or hundreds of other texts that are designed specifically for homeschoolers. Some are quite expensive and some are pretty reasonable. Curriculum guides/ teacher's manuals can give an overview and leave everything up to you to teach, but many, many of them print every word you should say, every thing you should print on the board, every assignment, etc. No guess work involved at all on those. There are answer keys available to make grading easy. There are computer curriculums that do all the teaching, grading, testing, etc. There are on-line schools/classes that are interactive with the student. There are video courses that do all the teaching and there are correspondence courses that you do via the mail. There are even classes for homeschoolers to attend locally. Most elementary and jr. high courses are not difficult and when you get to higher level courses you (the parent) may have trouble with - then you seek one of the curriculum options listed above or you can hire a tutor. Foreign languages are taught using audio/video tapes or local classes. I actually learned alot myself from just teaching them and following along with their books. Things I'm sure I was " taught " at school but I sure didn't remember. We took French lessons from a homeschooling mother who taught us once a week, sign language classes, art, music, band, scouts, AWANAS, 4-H, softball team, bowling league, science fair, geography fair, dance classes, etc, etc. etc. Teaching different subjects/ levels: This too is not as hard as you might think. There are many curriculums (incl the computer, video, on-line) that are self-directed -that the student uses with a minimum of parental involvement. Other times you review and teach the new concept to one student then give them an assignment they can do on their own, then go to the next student and do the same thing. Some subjects are very easily taught to all levels at the same time then you give assignments that vary according to each student's level. (EX: Bible - read Bible passage/story, discuss with all, then younger child could draw a picture telling the story, a middle child could write the story in their own words or write an example of how to apply the principle learned, while an older student could do further research on a topic, using cross referenced scripture, commentaries, historical records, etc.) Our girls usually did the same work/classes except for math. Missing out on things: Yes, they did miss out on some things - drugs, violence, dirty jokes, being so tired from doing all the walking that you felt like crying, sitting at a desk all day and being uncomfortable or in pain, peer pressure in music styles, clothing styles, dating, cheating, etc, getting up early every morning, ........... Looking back, the only thing THEY feel they missed out on is going to prom and dances. And guess what - last year homeschoolers here even had a prom!!! So they really didn't miss out on anything important! Oh, they are going to the homecoming dance with some friends next weekend! Like I said homeschooling can be a wonderful experience and a superior education can be had ....... or.... it can be miserable with mediocre results ........ it's all up to you (the parent) and what you put into it. Reba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 >> Many of you may or may not agree with this but if you happen to > >> be for home schooling it is important to read it. Tony Esolen State > >> Coordinator, Rhode Island Guild of Home Teachers I would like to > >> pass along some urgent information. The Democratic Party has > >> now aligned itself squarely against homeschooling and parental > >> rights. The Democratic National Committee's website > >> (www.dnc.org), endorsed by Al Gore, attacks Republican > >> Presidential nominee W. Bush for being " soft " on > >> homeschooling. That same website parrots the agenda of the NEA, > >> the nation's biggest teachers' union, insisting that all teachers of all > >> children should be required to possess state certification. (Here is > >> the link to read the actual article: > >> http://www.democrats.org/gopwatch/bushwatch/accountability/hom > >> e.html > >> > >> That requirement would KILL homeschooling. It renews the > >> threat of HR 6,which homeschoolers helped to kill in 1994. That bill > >> would have required the same thing -- state certification. That > >> means unless you spend many thousands of dollars and several > >> years taking courses in how to teach, you will not be able to teach > >> your child at home. > >> > >> That bill passed through the House Education Committee with > >> every Democrat voting for it, and every Republican voting against it. > >> (D-Cal), then chairman of that committee, will > >> become its chairman again if the Democrats win control of the > >> House, and has vowed to reintroduce the bill. This time, the > >> Democrats would not be facing the imminent disaster they faced in > >> the 1994 elections, when Bill Clinton was at his lowest in > >> popularity. They will have little to fear. > >> > >> IT IS DISHEARTENING TO ME THAT A MAJOR POLITICAL > >> PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES SHOULD SO BLITHELY > >> ATTACK THE FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOM OF THE FAMILY. It is > >> disheartening, but not surprising. I teach at an American college; I > >> know the left very well. The Democratic Party is now wholly > >> controlled by the left -- by people who believe that the state, not the > >> family, is the basic institution of society. * > >> > >> That is why the left wants taxpayer-financed daycare. Former > >> feminist, now Christian professor Genovese warns that > >> public funded daycare is the next arena of assault on the traditional > >> family, and will make it more and more difficult for tax-strapped > >> families to keep the mother in the home, and more and more > >> economically enticing to leave children with others. * That is why > >> the left wants to destroy the Boy Scouts. President Clinton's > >> Justice Department recently decided to examine whether the Boy > >> Scouts should be banned from National Parks, because of > >> their refusal to admit homosexual scoutmasters. Homosexuals do > >> not mince words when they assert that the traditional > >> family, and traditional manhood and womanhood, must be > >> overcome. * That is why they despise homeschooling. > >> Gatto has written a long article on the fight. > >> > >> One small Vermont village waged to keep open the last one- > >> room, public schoolhouse in the state. The powerful Vermont > >> chapter of the NEA crushed them. When the left cannot abide even > >> a traditional PUBLIC school, what makes us think they will be > >> friendlier with us homeschoolers? To a tyrant any deviation from > >> conformity, no matter how apparently small, is a threat that must > >> be wiped out. We homeschoolers have for a Presidential candidate > >> the governor of the most homeschooling-friendly state in the > >> country, opposed by a party that has cast its lot with: * the NEA * > >> the feminists, who despise the traditional family * nationalized > >> curricula designed to teach children what they should believe. > >> > >> NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE COMPLACENT. NOW IS > >> NOT THE TIME TO SAY, " I DON'T UNDERSTAND POLITICS! " > >> For Christians especially, the choice is acutely clear. When will we > >> get another opportunity like the present? And if we > >> sit on our hands, what right will we have to complain, when Hillary > >> Clinton, who once compared the traditional family to SLAVERY, > >> sits on the Supreme Court, as she will surely do, should Mr. Gore > >> be elected? And so I urge you, contact your friends and relatives in > >> other states --those who are friendly to homeschooling. Ask them > >> to consider, this year, whether the freedom of the family is worth > >> preserving. This election will be close! Of course you must vote as > >> your conscience dictates. But I pray that you will think of > >> homeschooling as a touchstone -- as a way of telling what the > >> two parties, and the two Presidential nominees, stand for. > >> > >> Yours, > >> Tony Esolen > >> State Coordinator, Rhode Island Guild of Home Teachers > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 , thank you for this. Many I know will be VERY interested. Jules in TX mommabiker@... AKA: bikermom and mommamotorbiker on other lists --- The caliber of a man is often determined by the amount of opposition it takes to discourage him --- On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:08:59 -0500 S Shepherd <jennifershepherd@...> writes: > >> Many of you may or may not agree with this but if you happen to > > >> be for home schooling it is important to read it. Tony Esolen > State > > >> Coordinator, Rhode Island Guild of Home Teachers I would like > to > > >> pass along some urgent information. The Democratic Party has > > >> now aligned itself squarely against homeschooling and parental > > >> rights. The Democratic National Committee's website > > >> (www.dnc.org), endorsed by Al Gore, attacks Republican > > >> Presidential nominee W. Bush for being " soft " on > > >> homeschooling. That same website parrots the agenda of the NEA, > > >> the nation's biggest teachers' union, insisting that all > teachers of > all > > >> children should be required to possess state certification. > (Here is > > >> the link to read the actual article: > > >> http://www.democrats.org/gopwatch/bushwatch/accountability/hom > > >> e.html > > >> > > >> That requirement would KILL homeschooling. It renews > the > > >> threat of HR 6,which homeschoolers helped to kill in 1994. That > bill > > >> would have required the same thing -- state certification. That > > >> means unless you spend many thousands of dollars and several > > >> years taking courses in how to teach, you will not be able to > teach > > >> your child at home. > > >> > > >> That bill passed through the House Education Committee > with > > >> every Democrat voting for it, and every Republican voting > against > it. > > >> (D-Cal), then chairman of that committee, will > > >> become its chairman again if the Democrats win control of the > > >> House, and has vowed to reintroduce the bill. This time, the > > >> Democrats would not be facing the imminent disaster they faced > in > > >> the 1994 elections, when Bill Clinton was at his lowest in > > >> popularity. They will have little to fear. > > >> > > >> IT IS DISHEARTENING TO ME THAT A MAJOR POLITICAL > > >> PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES SHOULD SO BLITHELY > > >> ATTACK THE FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOM OF THE FAMILY. It is > > >> disheartening, but not surprising. I teach at an American > college; I > > >> know the left very well. The Democratic Party is now wholly > > >> controlled by the left -- by people who believe that the state, > not > the > > >> family, is the basic institution of society. * > > >> > > >> That is why the left wants taxpayer-financed daycare. > Former > > >> feminist, now Christian professor Genovese warns that > > >> public funded daycare is the next arena of assault on the > traditional > > >> family, and will make it more and more difficult for > tax-strapped > > >> families to keep the mother in the home, and more and more > > >> economically enticing to leave children with others. * That is > why > > >> the left wants to destroy the Boy Scouts. President Clinton's > > >> Justice Department recently decided to examine whether the Boy > > >> Scouts should be banned from National Parks, because of > > >> their refusal to admit homosexual scoutmasters. Homosexuals do > > >> not mince words when they assert that the traditional > > >> family, and traditional manhood and womanhood, must be > > >> overcome. * That is why they despise homeschooling. > > >> Gatto has written a long article on the fight. > > >> > > >> One small Vermont village waged to keep open the last > one- > > >> room, public schoolhouse in the state. The powerful Vermont > > >> chapter of the NEA crushed them. When the left cannot abide > even > > >> a traditional PUBLIC school, what makes us think they will be > > >> friendlier with us homeschoolers? To a tyrant any deviation > from > > >> conformity, no matter how apparently small, is a threat that > must > > >> be wiped out. We homeschoolers have for a Presidential > candidate > > >> the governor of the most homeschooling-friendly state in the > > >> country, opposed by a party that has cast its lot with: * the > NEA * > > >> the feminists, who despise the traditional family * > nationalized > > >> curricula designed to teach children what they should believe. > > >> > > >> NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE COMPLACENT. NOW IS > > >> NOT THE TIME TO SAY, " I DON'T UNDERSTAND POLITICS! " > > >> For Christians especially, the choice is acutely clear. When > will we > > >> get another opportunity like the present? And if we > > >> sit on our hands, what right will we have to complain, when > Hillary > > >> Clinton, who once compared the traditional family to SLAVERY, > > >> sits on the Supreme Court, as she will surely do, should Mr. > Gore > > >> be elected? And so I urge you, contact your friends and > relatives in > > >> other states --those who are friendly to homeschooling. Ask > them > > >> to consider, this year, whether the freedom of the family is > worth > > >> preserving. This election will be close! Of course you must > vote as > > >> your conscience dictates. But I pray that you will think of > > >> homeschooling as a touchstone -- as a way of telling what the > > >> two parties, and the two Presidential nominees, stand for. > > >> > > >> Yours, > > >> Tony Esolen > > >> State Coordinator, Rhode Island Guild of Home Teachers > > >> ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 Hi everybody! I just emailed the DNC that I was a long-term Democrat, but very concerned about remaining so if there was any movement afoot to interfere with homeschooling. There is a place to contact them - everyone should do so, and get others to contact them, as well. If you are a registered Democrat, be sure to let them know that. The Democratic Party needs to be told in no uncertain terms that it is a mistake to take such a position. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2000 Report Share Posted October 27, 2000 , I have shared your email below with many, but found out the Gore site you shared below has been yanked, or at least moved to another address. I guess they really began to get nailed and didn't want the media to get a hold of it, especially when homeschooling has been featured as a marvel and a plus in the news lately. Wondered if by chance you have information on exactly what the Gore site had to say or another address to get to it or anything else. I was not able to access the site even once myself before they yanked it. Was hoping somebody out there happened to copy some of it off so we can pass it around. Have had a few requests from those I shared with. You can bet that just because the site is gone, does not mean they have changed their minds..... Thanks, Jules in TX mommabiker@... AKA: bikermom and mommamotorbiker on other lists --- The caliber of a man is often determined by the amount of opposition it takes to discourage him --- On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:08:59 -0500 S Shepherd <jennifershepherd@...> writes: > >> Many of you may or may not agree with this but if you happen to > > >> be for home schooling it is important to read it. Tony Esolen > State > > >> Coordinator, Rhode Island Guild of Home Teachers I would like > to > > >> pass along some urgent information. The Democratic Party has > > >> now aligned itself squarely against homeschooling and parental > > >> rights. The Democratic National Committee's website > > >> (www.dnc.org), endorsed by Al Gore, attacks Republican > > >> Presidential nominee W. Bush for being " soft " on > > >> homeschooling. That same website parrots the agenda of the NEA, > > >> the nation's biggest teachers' union, insisting that all > teachers of > all > > >> children should be required to possess state certification. > (Here is > > >> the link to read the actual article: > > >> http://www.democrats.org/gopwatch/bushwatch/accountability/hom > > >> e.html > > >> > > >> That requirement would KILL homeschooling. It renews > the > > >> threat of HR 6,which homeschoolers helped to kill in 1994. That > bill > > >> would have required the same thing -- state certification. That > > >> means unless you spend many thousands of dollars and several > > >> years taking courses in how to teach, you will not be able to > teach > > >> your child at home. > > >> > > >> That bill passed through the House Education Committee > with > > >> every Democrat voting for it, and every Republican voting > against > it. > > >> (D-Cal), then chairman of that committee, will > > >> become its chairman again if the Democrats win control of the > > >> House, and has vowed to reintroduce the bill. This time, the > > >> Democrats would not be facing the imminent disaster they faced > in > > >> the 1994 elections, when Bill Clinton was at his lowest in > > >> popularity. They will have little to fear. > > >> > > >> IT IS DISHEARTENING TO ME THAT A MAJOR POLITICAL > > >> PARTY IN THE UNITED STATES SHOULD SO BLITHELY > > >> ATTACK THE FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOM OF THE FAMILY. It is > > >> disheartening, but not surprising. I teach at an American > college; I > > >> know the left very well. The Democratic Party is now wholly > > >> controlled by the left -- by people who believe that the state, > not > the > > >> family, is the basic institution of society. * > > >> > > >> That is why the left wants taxpayer-financed daycare. > Former > > >> feminist, now Christian professor Genovese warns that > > >> public funded daycare is the next arena of assault on the > traditional > > >> family, and will make it more and more difficult for > tax-strapped > > >> families to keep the mother in the home, and more and more > > >> economically enticing to leave children with others. * That is > why > > >> the left wants to destroy the Boy Scouts. President Clinton's > > >> Justice Department recently decided to examine whether the Boy > > >> Scouts should be banned from National Parks, because of > > >> their refusal to admit homosexual scoutmasters. Homosexuals do > > >> not mince words when they assert that the traditional > > >> family, and traditional manhood and womanhood, must be > > >> overcome. * That is why they despise homeschooling. > > >> Gatto has written a long article on the fight. > > >> > > >> One small Vermont village waged to keep open the last > one- > > >> room, public schoolhouse in the state. The powerful Vermont > > >> chapter of the NEA crushed them. When the left cannot abide > even > > >> a traditional PUBLIC school, what makes us think they will be > > >> friendlier with us homeschoolers? To a tyrant any deviation > from > > >> conformity, no matter how apparently small, is a threat that > must > > >> be wiped out. We homeschoolers have for a Presidential > candidate > > >> the governor of the most homeschooling-friendly state in the > > >> country, opposed by a party that has cast its lot with: * the > NEA * > > >> the feminists, who despise the traditional family * > nationalized > > >> curricula designed to teach children what they should believe. > > >> > > >> NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE COMPLACENT. NOW IS > > >> NOT THE TIME TO SAY, " I DON'T UNDERSTAND POLITICS! " > > >> For Christians especially, the choice is acutely clear. When > will we > > >> get another opportunity like the present? And if we > > >> sit on our hands, what right will we have to complain, when > Hillary > > >> Clinton, who once compared the traditional family to SLAVERY, > > >> sits on the Supreme Court, as she will surely do, should Mr. > Gore > > >> be elected? And so I urge you, contact your friends and > relatives in > > >> other states --those who are friendly to homeschooling. Ask > them > > >> to consider, this year, whether the freedom of the family is > worth > > >> preserving. This election will be close! Of course you must > vote as > > >> your conscience dictates. But I pray that you will think of > > >> homeschooling as a touchstone -- as a way of telling what the > > >> two parties, and the two Presidential nominees, stand for. > > >> > > >> Yours, > > >> Tony Esolen > > >> State Coordinator, Rhode Island Guild of Home Teachers > > >> > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2000 Report Share Posted October 27, 2000 On this same subject, I shared the article and site with a few homeschooling friends. One replied that the whole article was just a scare tactic and that homeschooling laws are made at the local not national level. She said the same article has already been picked a part on several homeschooling lists. What I don't understand is, even if those laws are made locally, there's little to stop the federal government from deciding it is now a national issue to make laws. Also, why would you defend the article unless you whole-heartedly support the candidate and wanted nothing negative associated with him? Just some thoughts. Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2000 Report Share Posted October 27, 2000 Adrienne, thanks - Good thoughts. Et all - No this isn't the first time homeschooling has been targeted by the federal government. Problem is so few do the work of so many. People are foolish to think the states and local leels are all there are to be concerned with. Something I have pointed out to people in regards to this and also the vaccination issue is that it is not a liberal vs. conservative issue, it's not a democratic vs republican or even consiracy theorist vs. green peace. This affects everyone. Too many times people approach an issue based on some sort of pre-bias and we just can't afford to look it that way. For instance, in the letter from the home school leader in RI, he makes a point of saying " Christians " should stand up for this because of family values or what have you. He even seems to approach this issue as if the reason homeschooling is being tackled is simply because people hate Christians. I can see where many would condemn his letter for those statements alone. It's a far bigger picture out there. Certainly a measure such as this will help control the growth and unification of *any* cultural group of thought. Christians might find it a valuable issue, and it might be honorable for them to make 'their stand, " but family, parenting and homeschooling (even vaccination) rights are important to pagans, muslims, those of the green movement, vegans/vegetarians, conservatives, liberals, psychics, nature followers, masons, etc.. Homeschooling was hardly discovered by conservative " Christians " alone and they certainly don't hold the corner on it. The seventies rebellion and green movement helped spur homeschooling on it's way as much as others. People homeschool for a miriad of philosophical, political, health, academic, cultural, career and safety issues. I have even heard of g@ys who homeschool their children. So to me it is not so important that " Christians " make a stand for family rights. *Everyone* should. This is a matter of who is in control of yours and your children's lives and upbringing - from BIRTH to DEATH. When you think about it, that is really what it is. They can easily become institutionalized through medicine/health and education from the second they are born and even through utero - two areas most people don't bat an eye at questioning because they seem so harmless and benevolent compared to other hot buttons. Everyone wants their children to be healthy and well educated. The danger is that soon new generations won't even think twice. They will become culturally complacent and will know nothing else. It is this issue we must battle. Freedom. We are a culturally diverse people. Let's keep it that way. To do that, people need educational and health freedom of choice. In the long run, it doesn't matter so what I believe or what you believe. Just that we remain free to do more than believe - to choose. End of speech..... Jules in TX mommabiker@... AKA: bikermom and mommamotorbiker on other lists --- The caliber of a man is often determined by the amount of opposition it takes to discourage him --- On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:28:24 -0500 Adrienne <adrienne@...> writes: > On this same subject, I shared the article and site with a few > homeschooling friends. One replied that the whole article was just > a scare > tactic and that homeschooling laws are made at the local not > national > level. She said the same article has already been picked a part on > several > homeschooling lists. What I don't understand is, even if those laws > are > made locally, there's little to stop the federal government from > deciding > it is now a national issue to make laws. Also, why would you defend > the > article unless you whole-heartedly support the candidate and wanted > nothing > negative associated with him? Just some thoughts. > > Adrienne > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 Chambers wrote: g@ys , Just curious, but did you type up this word with a @ in instead of an " a " on purpose (as if it's a dirty word) or was that a typo? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2000 Report Share Posted October 30, 2000 Levy, Some of the boards and discussion groups I am involved with screen for such words as potentially " offensive " content of a message. I couldn't remember if Egroups screens like this or not, so I edited my post to make sure it wouldn't hold in server limbo until someone " approved " it. Generally on such boards where they screen like that, it has become customary to insert some symbol for the vowel of a " questionable " word, i.e. s & x, sh*t, AID$, g@y, h0m0sexual, d@mn, etc. to get around the filters. (Freedom will have its day.) Otherwise it's up for grabs for some unknown entity to decide whether we're playing nice or not, to let the message post or not, or even to decide to take measures to kick someone off the site or not. Personally, I don't care much for watch-dogs over my writing and private communication any more than I like watchdogs concerning mine and my family's personal health/records, etc.. I recognize that businesses have the right to run their business as they see fit. But I generally consider such screening to be scensorship that can never please everyone and often only used as a weapon against each other. And it smacks of the same general assumption, that humanity will not on it's own keep itself in check and must have a nanny or Big Brother to help see to it that humanity remains palitable, civilized, " normal " and/or " responsible. " I personally do not appreciate assumptions that even though I am an intelligent, educated and responsible adult, that at any minute I might revert into some horrible barbarian that will know no better than to take care of myself, my children or to act responsibly to my communities. If adjusting a couple words will avoid the email filters, I'm game. Personally I think going to the length of screening personal emails for " hot " words is somewhat silly and hypocritical - even prejudiced at times, especially sometimes considering the words that are chosen as more " sensitive " than others. I personally am confident we can keep our own group here in check without the help of " higher ups. " Personal reflection. So goes the explaination. Hope no offense was taken as none was meant in the slightest. So now, since the question is up, maybe someone else in the group here remembers whether Egroups has a policy of screening for potentially " offensive " words or not and can set all our minds at ease. Jules in TX mommabiker@... AKA: bikermom and mommamotorbiker on other lists --- The caliber of a man is often determined by the amount of opposition it takes to discourage him --- On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:47:40 -0800 Levy <1levy1@...> writes: > > > Chambers wrote: > > g@ys > > , > > Just curious, but did you type up this word with a @ in instead of > an " a " on > purpose (as if it's a dirty word) or was that a typo? > > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 Thanks for the explanation. This is truly a sad society if a word like " gay " has to be edited b/c some people will be so offended by it they will shrivel up and melt away. That, to me, is offensive, petty and intolerable. Chambers wrote: > Levy, > > Some of the boards and discussion groups I am involved with screen for > such words as potentially " offensive " content of a message. I couldn't > remember if Egroups screens like this or not, so I edited my post to make > sure it wouldn't hold in server limbo until someone " approved " it. > Generally on such boards where they screen like that, it has become > customary to insert some symbol for the vowel of a " questionable " word, > i.e. s & x, sh*t, AID$, g@y, h0m0sexual, d@mn, etc. to get around the > filters. (Freedom will have its day.) Otherwise it's up for grabs for > some unknown entity to decide whether we're playing nice or not, to let > the message post or not, or even to decide to take measures to kick > someone off the site or not. > > Personally, I don't care much for watch-dogs over my writing and private > communication any more than I like watchdogs concerning mine and my > family's personal health/records, etc.. I recognize that businesses have > the right to run their business as they see fit. But I generally > consider such screening to be scensorship that can never please everyone > and often only used as a weapon against each other. And it smacks of the > same general assumption, that humanity will not on it's own keep itself > in check and must have a nanny or Big Brother to help see to it that > humanity remains palitable, civilized, " normal " and/or " responsible. " I > personally do not appreciate assumptions that even though I am an > intelligent, educated and responsible adult, that at any minute I might > revert into some horrible barbarian that will know no better than to take > care of myself, my children or to act responsibly to my communities. If > adjusting a couple words will avoid the email filters, I'm game. > Personally I think going to the length of screening personal emails for > " hot " words is somewhat silly and hypocritical - even prejudiced at > times, especially sometimes considering the words that are chosen as more > " sensitive " than others. I personally am confident we can keep our own > group here in check without the help of " higher ups. " Personal > reflection. So goes the explaination. Hope no offense was taken as none > was meant in the slightest. > > So now, since the question is up, maybe someone else in the group here > remembers whether Egroups has a policy of screening for potentially > " offensive " words or not and can set all our minds at ease. > > Jules in TX > mommabiker@... > AKA: bikermom and mommamotorbiker on other lists > --- The caliber of a man is often determined by the amount of opposition > it takes to discourage him --- > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 07:47:40 -0800 Levy <1levy1@...> writes: > > > > > > Chambers wrote: > > > > g@ys > > > > , > > > > Just curious, but did you type up this word with a @ in instead of > > an " a " on > > purpose (as if it's a dirty word) or was that a typo? > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Somehow I missed all the posts about homeschooling. For those of you that are interested, there is a School of Homeschoolers in Central NY. While they only meet five times a year, the principal is really knowledgeable and helpful when it comes to homeschooling and instead of turning in all those horrid and sometmes lengthy reports to the local school district you can just turn in a short summary to him. Their next meeting is Feb 3rd in Chittenango. I am also a member of LEAH and really appreaciate all the support they offer. We have been homeschooling for years and wouldn't have it any other way. Chris claire Mayes wrote: > We are in our 6th year of homeschooling and our kids are 13 and 16. This is > the link for NYS LEAH (loving education at home) the Christian home school > organization for NY. They have a big conference every Spring in Syracuse > and you can find local chapters that can help you through all the regs. > They have a lot of good info to get you started on their site. Hope this > helps. > > http://www.leah.org/about.html > > Love and blessings, claire > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2001 Report Share Posted March 6, 2001 In a message dated 3/6/01 8:27:25 PM GTB Standard Time, kdw909@... writes: << lso, peer relations are, IMO, very important. how does one go off to college after being home with mama for 18 years? ok, i am ready for very heated hate email. go for it. ~kari >> All I can say is there is a grat deal of networking between homeschoolers.So they get together for all sorts of projects and trips too. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2001 Report Share Posted March 6, 2001 Most homeschoolers are not ONLY taught by the parent that's how they get specialization expertise like Trig or Calculus or neurology. Most homeschoolers have association type meetings with other homeschoolers in their area and they get the parents to teach their kids or they enroll the kids in the classes being taught at universities or colleges. Maybe because you live in an area that touts top rated public schools, however, most aren't so fortunate. The schools around me (public) are 2 elementary schools top-rated but the middle school they pour into is horendous....guns and drugs and fights and attacks against teachers. NOT the real life skills I want my child exposed to thank you very much. I prefer to give him the best I can by documenting his work and giving him the resources unavailable to him were he to attend any of the public schools around here. I think homeschooling is another aspect of parenting that goes with the well informed. homeschooling i find it interesting that many of those who choose not to vaccinate are also those who believe in homeschooling. why is that? to decrease exposure to disease or totally unrelated? my teen daughters have been in both private and public schools and really love it. (i am fortunate enough to live in a very nice area with top rated schools...). they have made all kinds of friends from all different backgrounds, have learned to work cooperatively on group projects, spend lots of time on huge reports that they then present back to the class... these seem like real-life skills that they will need in the job market. what is the logic in denying them those opportunities? also, they take very intense courses, trig, calculus, neurology, foreign language... how are parents able to adequately teach all of these courses? in their history class, they do mock trials that they prepare an entire semester for, have very well-researched debates (go to the law library at a local lawschool...) and etc. i am wondering how parents can provide those experiences at home, and why they would even want to. i know of many parents who homeschool that have no college degree, one even has a GED... scary!!!!! also, peer relations are, IMO, very important. how does one go off to college after being home with mama for 18 years? ok, i am ready for very heated hate email. go for it. ~kari __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2001 Report Share Posted March 6, 2001 Kari, It does, indeed, sound like you are in an unusually exceptional public school system providing great academic instruction. Most of us are not. That, being combined with many concerns about our children being indoctrinated with humanist thinking and a politically correct mentality is what led my husband and I to choose homeschooling for at least the early formative years. We look at our children like little seedlings in a greenhouse. They are going to either be nurtured by one philosophy or another as they grow into a mature plant. We believe, personally, that it is a dangerous thing to send our young, impressionable children out into the hands of those who would teach them to question parental authority, the existence of God, and many such other issues which we believe to be the cause for many of the ills of our society today. And, yes, one can teach calculus at home now, because there are many teaching tools, videos, outside classes, etc. available that removes the dependence upon public school to provide that kind of course. And as far as social opportunities, those too, are growing everyday with all kinds of support group networking. But, I say, if you are happy with your school, and your children are well grounded with the philosophy and values you believe will bring them true success in life, than, by all means let them attend the local school. Support it!! Right now I am in the process of deciding whether or not to send our 13 yr. old to public school through high school or to go on and continue what we have come to love and see great value in - homeschooling. Would like to write more, but have got to get him to an extra curricular activity and I am running late....... :>) Carolyn L. From: " kari williams " <kdw909@...> <Vaccinations > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: homeschooling > i find it interesting that many of those who choose not to vaccinate are > also those who believe in homeschooling. why is that? to decrease exposure > to disease or totally unrelated? my teen daughters have been in both > private and public schools and really love it. (i am fortunate enough to > live in a very nice area with top rated schools...). they have made all > kinds of friends from all different backgrounds, have learned to work > cooperatively on group projects, spend lots of time on huge reports that > they then present back to the class... these seem like real-life skills > that they will need in the job market. what is the logic in denying them > those opportunities? also, they take very intense courses, trig, calculus, > neurology, foreign language... how are parents able to adequately teach > all of these courses? in their history class, they do mock trials that > they prepare an entire semester for, have very well-researched debates (go > to the law library at a local lawschool...) and etc. i am wondering how > parents can provide those experiences at home, and why they would even > want to. i know of many parents who homeschool that have no college > degree, one even has a GED... scary!!!!! also, peer relations are, IMO, > very important. how does one go off to college after being home with mama > for 18 years? ok, i am ready for very heated hate email. go for it. > ~kari > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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