NOT SLEEPING

[Guest guest]

My daughter has been on Biokult for a little over three months and we follow

the GAPs diet strictly. She has started complaining about not sleeping.

She wakes up in the middle of the morning and can't sleep. Does anyone have

any ideas about this?

[Guest guest]

I have some thoughts, but I don't know if I have any answers. I have

been having trouble with insomnia for quite a while (well before I

started GAPS). It had been getting better, then last night I couldn't

get to sleep for over three hours.

My thoughts are that it may be related to a mineral imbalance. I have

been taking magnesium for a few days, and I took calcium yesterday. I

am wondering if I am so lacking in magnesium that calcium exacerbates

the problem.

I also remember hearing Dr NCMB say that most of the serotonin was

created in the gut, so problems there could logically result in sleep

disturbances.

I don't know why it would get worse after starting GAPS. Hopefully

someone else can shed more light on this subject.

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--- The Bridgewaters' <mebridge@...> wrote:

> My daughter has been on Biokult for a little over three months and we

> follow

> the GAPs diet strictly. She has started complaining about not

> sleeping.

> She wakes up in the middle of the morning and can't sleep. Does

> anyone have

> any ideas about this?

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That is an Interesting idea about mineral

imbalances. I have started giving my daughter beet kvass, which is rich in

minerals. She doesn’t take vitamins (other than cod liver oil and

biokult). I am hoping this will help. I’ll let you know.

I’d appreciate anyone else who has

any thoughts on this.

Gratefully,

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bianco-

Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 4:44 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] NOT

SLEEPING

I have some thoughts, but I don't know if I have any

answers. I have

been having trouble with insomnia for quite a while (well before I

started GAPS). It had been getting better, then last night I couldn't

get to sleep for over three hours.

My thoughts are that it may be related to a mineral imbalance. I have

been taking magnesium for a few days, and I took calcium yesterday. I

am wondering if I am so lacking in magnesium that calcium exacerbates

the problem.

I also remember hearing Dr NCMB say that most of the serotonin was

created in the gut, so problems there could logically result in sleep

disturbances.

I don't know why it would get worse after starting GAPS. Hopefully

someone else can shed more light on this subject.

-

--- The Bridgewaters' <mebridgeccrtc>

wrote:

> My daughter has been on Biokult for a little over three months and we

> follow

> the GAPs diet strictly. She has started complaining about not

> sleeping.

> She wakes up in the middle of the morning and can't sleep. Does

> anyone have

> any ideas about this?

>

>

>

>

>

www.krautpounder.com

Check out our hand made solid maple tool

for fermented food preparation produced by the

Eugene Chapter of Weston A Price Foundation

[Guest guest]

  But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well. 

This is a bit generalised. I have been on LDN for 27 months and am sleeping

better than I did for about a decade before. I used to have to get up in the

night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have a wonderful sleep,

thanks to LDN. As far as I know others are feeling the same.

Silvia

[Guest guest]

I have learned that initially, and often the first week/weeks 25 % gets a sleep disturbance in on way or another. these includes harder to fall asleep at night, feeling to have too much energy. Or waking up around 2' o'clock (am) feeling too awake and energetic. This happenes because LDN has increased the endorphines and the endorphines are starting their increased production around 2 in the morning. Other sleep problems following the LDN use is that some are getting vivid dreams the first weeks on LDN and even when the dose is increased the dreams getting vivid. Personally I have been sleeping like a log every night for four years, have a bathroom trip in the morning, but have never trouble falling asleep again, even though I

know I have just 30 more minutes to sleep. At days when I am not working, I could sleep may be 12 hours or more. LDN did this to me. ;-) IngridFrom: lucretia1419 <lucretia14@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 10:10:22 PMSubject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: NOT SLEEPING

But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well. This is a bit generalised. I have been on LDN for 27 months and am sleeping better than I did for about a decade before. I used to have to get up in the night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have a wonderful sleep, thanks to LDN. As far as I know others are feeling the same.Silvia------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I sleep great. first week, woke up at 2 am almost on the nose every night.  Now I sleep through.  So it's true, not everyone has insomnia with ldn.On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Gunn Dybfest <gunn.ingrid@...> wrote:

 

I have learned that initially, and often the first week/weeks 25 % gets a sleep disturbance in on way or another. these includes harder to fall asleep at night, feeling to have too much energy. Or waking up around 2' o'clock (am) feeling too awake and energetic. This happenes because LDN has increased the endorphines and the endorphines are starting their increased production around 2 in the morning. 

Other sleep problems following the LDN use is that some are getting vivid dreams the first weeks on LDN and even when the dose is increased the dreams getting vivid. Personally I have been sleeping like a log every night for four years, have a bathroom trip in the morning, but have never trouble falling asleep again, even though I

know I have just 30 more minutes to sleep. At days when I am not working, I could sleep may be 12 hours or more. LDN did this to me. ;-) Ingrid

From: lucretia1419 <lucretia14@...>

low dose naltrexone Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 10:10:22 PM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: NOT SLEEPING

  But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well. 

This is a bit generalised.  I have been on LDN for 27 months and am sleeping better than I did for about a decade before.  I used to have to get up in the night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have a wonderful sleep, thanks to LDN.  As far as I know others are feeling the same.

Silvia------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I also sleep better than I did before LDN and I am/was a chronic insomniac who used to be dependent on things like ambien to sleep.  Please keep in mind that " everybody " is not really " everybody " and " nobody " is not really " nobody. "

For most people who use the product - LDN in this case - and have few if any side effects and are going about their lives - they do NOT post - they may or may not read these emails - after all they are doing fine and living their lives.

It tends to be the minority of people who have issues - side effects - sleep issues - etc.  It just SEEMS like it happens to so many people because for the most part it is the people who have issues (by far the minority of those using LDN) who post looking for help.  

There are many thousands of people using LDN.  I would suspect the vast majority of them have few if any side effects.  And I would also suspect many of them no longer are on this list or read the emails.  It is time consuming.  Some of us stay to help others - like I do.  I could easily delete all emails or leave the list or switch to web only style to cut down on the insane amount of emails I get daily.  I am doing great and ordered 2 years worth of LDN my last order because the last year has gone so well - better than I had any hopes for.  I stay because I like to help - it is the social worker in me.  And I often learn things from what others share along the way.  I love this - it is the life long student in me.

Best to all.JaxiOn Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM, lucretia1419 <lucretia14@...> wrote:

  But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well. 

This is a bit generalised.  I have been on LDN for 27 months and am sleeping better than I did for about a decade before.  I used to have to get up in the night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have a wonderful sleep, thanks to LDN.  As far as I know others are feeling the same.

Silvia

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[Guest guest]

Very true Jaxi

The people that have sleep issues are very vocal here in the beginning but once that gets better they just go off and lives their lives! The people that have been taking LDN for years, like my husband for 6 years, wouldnt think of getting on here and announcing "I`m sleeping great"! I`m not intending to belittle the severity of the sleep devrevation situation as I know lack of sleep is truely awful, but theres probably a tiny percentage of people whom it doesnt resolve for and they either give up or switch to day time dosing.

Very few medications work after a few doses. LDN is not magic. There can be some transient side effects LIKE ANY MED but these usually pass. For people that have been horribly sick for many years, to tolerate a few side effects for a few weeks is wonderful compared to the time they have spent feeling sick so you have to be patient and try to find ways around the sleep issues. Take over the counter aids, get some prescription sleep aids for a short time, or if youre not working then just sleep as and when you can to get through the early days.Bev

CC: low dose naltrexone From: jaxi.schulz@...Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:19:24 -0500Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: NOT SLEEPING

I also sleep better than I did before LDN and I am/was a chronic insomniac who used to be dependent on things like ambien to sleep.

Please keep in mind that "everybody" is not really "everybody" and "nobody" is not really "nobody."

For most people who use the product - LDN in this case - and have few if any side effects and are going about their lives - they do NOT post - they may or may not read these emails - after all they are doing fine and living their lives.

It tends to be the minority of people who have issues - side effects - sleep issues - etc. It just SEEMS like it happens to so many people because for the most part it is the people who have issues (by far the minority of those using LDN) who post looking for help.

There are many thousands of people using LDN. I would suspect the vast majority of them have few if any side effects. And I would also suspect many of them no longer are on this list or read the emails. It is time consuming. Some of us stay to help others - like I do. I could easily delete all emails or leave the list or switch to web only style to cut down on the insane amount of emails I get daily. I am doing great and ordered 2 years worth of LDN my last order because the last year has gone so well - better than I had any hopes for. I stay because I like to help - it is the social worker in me. And I often learn things from what others share along the way. I love this - it is the life long student in me.

Best to all.

Jaxi

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM, lucretia1419 <lucretia14@...> wrote:

But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well. This is a bit generalised. I have been on LDN for 27 months and am sleeping better than I did for about a decade before. I used to have to get up in the night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have a wonderful sleep, thanks to LDN. As far as I know others are feeling the same.Silvia------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Everyone has different experiences with LDN. I am at 3.5mg and after the initial lack of sleep each time I increased (starting at .5 and increasing by .5 every few weeks), I am sleeping better than I have in years, although I always wake around 3 or 4 and it takes about 1/2 hour to fall back asleep. I'll take that over not sleeping. But, I also follow Dr. Murphree's protocol for sleep which is 300mg 5-HTP a day and I also take 10mg melatonin and 10mg sustained release melatonin. Also, as with some of his patients, 300mg 5-HTP at bedtime would keep me awake, so I take 100mg in morning, 100 in afternoon and 100 at bedtime. For some, taking it all at bedtime would be fine. But, we are all so different...

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:10 PM, lucretia1419 <lucretia14@...> wrote:

 

  But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well. 

This is a bit generalised. I have been on LDN for 27 months and am sleeping better than I did for about a decade before. I used to have to get up in the night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have a wonderful sleep, thanks to LDN. As far as I know others are feeling the same.

Silvia

[Guest guest]

me too! had horrible sleep/hypoglycemia and had to eat even thru the night. now i sleep all night and daytime hypoglycemia is much improved. must say i was already taking clonazepam before ldn but it didn't make a difference. i still take it only because i don't want to take the chance that my sleep would worsen if i stopped. (been on ldn about 24 mos)From: lucretia1419 <lucretia14@...>low dose naltrexone Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 2:10:22 PMSubject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: NOT SLEEPING

But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well.

This is a bit generalised. I have been on LDN for 27 months and am sleeping better than I did for about a decade before. I used to have to get up in the night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have a wonderful sleep, thanks to LDN. As far as I know others are feeling the same.

Silvia

[Guest guest]

I am one who found that LDN did not help my sleep. I'm actually off of it now

while I'm settling into T3 to see if I can add it again without going back to my

sleep problems.

Also exercise...everyone is NOT " knocked out " by exercise. When I wasn't

sleeping, I was trying great amounts of exercise, like 40km bike rides, and even

if I was home 8 hours before my bedtime, my sleep would be made worse, even with

sleeping pills being taken.

The only explanation I have ever been given as to why this was happening was

that my adrenals were not functioning well and the exercise was causing either

too much adrenaline or more likely in my case, too much cortisol, which was not

allowing me to sleep.

The human body is SUCH a complex machine.

Jaye

> But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well.

>

> This is a bit generalised. I have been on LDN for 27 months and am sleeping

> better than I did for about a decade before. I used to have to get up in the

> night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have a wonderful

sleep,

> thanks to LDN. As far as I know others are feeling the same.

>

> Silvia

>

[Guest guest]

Good point, Silvia.

The only reason anyone thinks most people taking LDN aren't sleeping well

is because only people with problems sleeping are posting about it. The

rest of us have experienced no problems or are sleeping better than we used

to (count me in the latter group).

[A similar misperception seems to exist regarding weight gain. Many people

are under the misapprehension that weight gain is typical on LDN, when in

fact it's probably the reverse that is true. LDN balances the organism, so

if you need to gain weight, you can, and if you need to lose, you can. But

this presupposes that you have also dealt with any underlying systemic

candida infections. People with unresolved candida or other imbalances,

particularly related to detoxification needs, will struggle with their

weight regardless of health regimen, because the body stores as fat any

substance that it doesn't recognize or know what to do with, and that can

include detoxification byproducts as well as things like artificial

sweeteners like aspartame. In the former case, the body's detox pathways

need to be improved, and in the latter case, the substance needs to be

avoided. This is a complex subject and I am just skimming the surface.]

The problem with internet mailing lists is that they are not scientific

surveys. Just because you see something posted frequently does not

actually mean it is a frequent problem, because the vast majority of

members of any list are usually silent or quiet. It's only when (the

minority of) people have problems that you hear about it. This type of

erroneous perception based on the problematic dynamics I've described above

is common to most internet mailing lists.

--

>

> But...I keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well.

>

>This is a bit generalised. I have been on LDN for 27 months and am

>sleeping better than I did for about a decade before. I used to have to

>get up in the night, that stopped a short while into taking LDN and I have

>a wonderful sleep, thanks to LDN. As far as I know others are feeling the same.

>

>Silvia

>

>

>

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

LDN has NOT impacted my sleeping pattern at all.

One of the double blind studies (somebody remember which

one?) reported sleep disturbances were reported more frequently in the control

group than in the experimental group. This does not surprise me: there is

a lot of talk about sleep disturbance associated with LDN use. It is not

hard to imagine a negative placebo effect being active on this variable.

I also agree with the thrust of Bev Jaxi and Silvia’s

remarks. The reporting is probably skewed, with the sleep-disrupted (for

whatever reason) more likely to say something than those, like myself, with

absolutely no disruptions. I wouldn’t have said anything, even now,

if it had not become a topic of conversation here.

Thanks to everyone here who share their experience, strength

and hope.

Nixon

[Guest guest]

Been using LDN since March 2005 and I sleep fine.

Art

My MS/LDN story/1988 - 2011

http://ldn.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=personal & action=display & thread=867

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>

> For those of you not sleeping...obviously I don't know you're situations, and

each of us has different ailments and different chemistry balances.  But...I

keep reading on here that nobody is sleeping well.  I have taken melatonin and

benedryl for quite some time and it works well most of the time.  One thing I

learned is that TOO much is something that will keep you awake.  And you need to

use it only about 5 straight days and do without for two days or more.  Then

back on it.  Again, it all depends on your own body.  My daughter is WIRED on

both.  I also noticed that if I buy my melatonin anywhere but GNC, there is

always some other ingredient in with the melatonin that wires me up.  The GNC

has timed release Melatonin that works well for me, and sometimes I take 6 mg

before bed.  AFter about 5 days, I stop it, and only take benedryl, 50 mg. 

>  

> Also, pay attention to your caffiene intake.  Not HOW MUCH, but what time!  If

you are consuming any FORM (chocolate is also caffiene) of it within 6-8 hours

of bed time, you may find you don't sleep well.  Alcohol will knock you out, but

only for 3.5 hours, at which time your brain will wake up and want you to stay

awake. 

>  

> WATER consumption is a must.  Ensure you are eating lots of juicy veggies and

fruits, and drinking the appropriate amounts of water for YOUR body.  TOO MUCH

IS NOT GOOD, but at least 8 cups per day is perfect, to balance brain chemistry,

as your brain is made up of 80% water!  Don't dehydrate it with too much

caffiene and not enough water. 

>  

> EXERCISE will knock you out at night and KEEP YOU OUT, depending on whether or

not you overdo it and make something hurt or not.  If you start out slow, you

won't feel the bennies right away.  But walking 15 minutes in the a.m. and

another 15 in the p.m. as a STARTING ROUTINE will help you sleep better and wake

more refreshed.  Of course, it all depends on your ailments.  Some of us cannot

walk at all.  But, notice how your heart rate increases if your arms go in the

air!??  Use a different exercise to increase your heart rate for 15-20 minutes

each day, if your legs cannot do it for you.  Ask a physical therapist what you

can do to increase that heart rate safely.  Just don't exercise within a couple

of hours before bedtime or you'll stay awake again. 

>  

> Crazy huh?  But all these things make a difference!  I hope all of you get

some good rest.  I for one, am having issues with my hip causing excruciating

pain about 4 hours into my night...but it's only been since the mattress decided

to keep a PERMANENT DIP on my side.  So, if I could win the lottery, I could buy

a Tempurpedic and get a good nights sleep for once.  Check your

mattresses....maybe you need to replace yours as well.  I remember how in the

" prairie " days nobody had tempurpedics and all slept on hay bails.  I can't

imagine the pain they were all in.  LOL!    Maybe I need a hay bail. 

>  

> I hope this helps some of you. 

>

[Guest guest]

I've been on LDN over 7 years now and from about week 2 have slept

far better (on average) than pre LDN.

On 25/04/2011 21:01, art_ldn wrote:

Been using LDN since March 2005 and I sleep fine.

Art

[Guest guest]

I've been taking LDN since September 2006, and I

sleep like a baby.

Ft. Worth, TX

[Guest guest]

Prior to LDN I was not getting restful sleep, creating anxiety. 24 hour saliva testing showed significant adrenal problems, night time cortisol levels were way too high and too low during the day. To correct the night time cortisols I took 2 Seriphos (phosphorylated serine) at bed time and that helped immensely. Once I started LDN I was able to stop the Seriphos. Getting off foods I have been sensitive/intolerant of (which creates inflammation), has helped my body's demand for cortisol and helped to heal my adrenals. Inflammation causes a demand on the adrenals to keep putting out cortisol combat the inflammation until they are totally overworked and depleted. My adrenals are functioning better, but still dealing with it.

If I do stretching type exercises before bed to relieve muscle tightness and just enough leg raisers, etc. to do some deep breathing to relax, I find I sleep much better. I also have a bit to eat before bed, preferably protein or nuts so my blood sugar stays stable through the night and that too helps me stay asleep.

I sense and believe LDN is helping to bring my body into a better overall balance.

[Guest guest]

Oh yes! I no longer show *any evidence* of hypoglycemia! During the

sugar-drinking test they stopped it at hour 3 and made me eat something because

of a sudden drop from 78 to 30 that left me in a stupor, nauseous, shaking,

almost unconscious.

The symptoms slowly went away on LDN... I guess at about 6 months

I started noticing it wasn't activating daily. It had gotten pretty bad

pre-LDN, and I had more and more frequent attacks. Dr. said prognosis was

possibly uncontrolled Diabetes like 3 of my family members.

Prognosis now is no Diabetes if things remain as they are!

I feel SO MUCH better w/o the blood sugar ups and downs.

>>daytime hypoglycemia is much improved.

[Guest guest]

---------- Forwarded message ----------From: FrancieS <francie@...>Date: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:28 AM

Subject: Re: NOT SLEEPINGjaxi <jaxi.schulz@...>I also sleep better with LDN, but I am not sure about the exact mechanism. Insomnia is one of my first clues that I am going into an MS exacerbation. Since I no longer have MS exacerbations, I no longer have insomnia.

Lack of sleep VERY often predates LDN use, which is why people so fear the possibility of losing even more. They are already tired. But we have to work through that to get well enough to get a good healthy sleep.

I do take melatonin and recently pleasantly discovered slow release melatonin. But that is normal, once a person ages, melatonin production does reduce and it is not embarrassing to admit it -- it just is a fact.

I agree that those who are doing well with LDN do not spend a lot of time coming to the list to continually reassure newbies. They are just living their lives to the fullest. Only those who are having problems come for help. It does skew the perceived balance of success. It looks like everybody is having a problem, but it simply is not true.

Francie

> I also sleep better than I did before LDN and I am/was a chronic insomniac who used to be dependent on things like ambien to sleep.

>

> Please keep in mind that " everybody " is not really " everybody " and " nobody " is not really " nobody. "

>

> For most people who use the product - LDN in this case - and have few if any side effects and are going about their lives - they do NOT post - they may or may not read these emails - after all they are doing fine and living their lives.

>

> It tends to be the minority of people who have issues - side effects - sleep issues - etc.  It just SEEMS like it happens to so many people because for the most part it is the people who have issues (by far the minority of those using LDN) who post looking for help.

>

> There are many thousands of people using LDN.  I would suspect the vast majority of them have few if any side effects.  And I would also suspect many of them no longer are on this list or read the emails.  It is time consuming.  Some of us stay to help others - like I do.